kerio | what is zfs | 00:00 |
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bencoh | I wouldn't say the linux kernel is better than the openbsd one regarding, say, aslr/pax :) | 00:01 |
bencoh | drivers aren't that better either afaict | 00:02 |
kerio | the lack of drivers can be an issue | 00:02 |
bencoh | perf, on the other hand ... | 00:02 |
kerio | but i'd bet on the quality of the openbsd drivers every time | 00:02 |
kerio | they simply don't support shit if they can't make good drivers from good specifications | 00:03 |
bencoh | kerio: remember when they implemented the openbsd wireless broadcom driver? :) | 00:03 |
bencoh | (and linux was still stuck to some shitty closed blob) | 00:03 |
kerio | still doesn't support the latest revision of the hardware tho :( | 00:04 |
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Wizzup | bencoh: grsecurity is way, way ahead of openbsd | 00:08 |
Wizzup | even though openbsd likes to claim it lead the field, it's really just following pax' lead, and often not doing it that well | 00:08 |
Wizzup | zfs replacement? mwah. There's ZOL and btrfs. Neither are as good. but I din't need zfs on most of my machines. | 00:08 |
bencoh | unfortunately grsec is no longer a really stable and opensource solution for me ... | 00:09 |
Wizzup | https://grsecurity.net/~spender/pics/dsc18910.jpg | 00:09 |
bencoh | been using it for *years*, but... | 00:09 |
kerio | well, it's stable *or* opensource | 00:09 |
bencoh | I'm still running old stable versions... | 00:09 |
Wizzup | going to sleep, afk :) | 00:10 |
bencoh | haha, nice pic :) | 00:10 |
bencoh | 'night :) | 00:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck can't they place their pics upright? | 00:13 |
bencoh | ? | 00:14 |
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kerio | can't waste time rotating pictures when you have to shitpost about openbsd | 00:16 |
bencoh | it shows properly in firefox (?) | 00:18 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: sure? http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/16/plasma-desktoptX3616.png | 00:22 |
bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: well, at least it does, here... | 00:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so what the heck? | 00:23 |
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bencoh | dunno, but I'm running a freaking old version, so either it doesnt care about some orientation flag, or recent versions are fucked up really bad :] | 00:25 |
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kerio | it doesn't show properly here | 00:27 |
kerio | or in chromium | 00:27 |
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Luke-Jr | is anyone actively handling security for CSSU? | 00:39 |
Luke-Jr | https://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.ca/2016/02/cve-2015-7547-glibc-getaddrinfo-stack.html | 00:40 |
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Luke-Jr | (right before I leave for only having access via very untrusted wifi networks..) | 00:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: I already hollered :-) | 00:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | actually Wizzup did | 00:48 |
kerio | why do we need DNS | 00:48 |
kerio | let's just use ip addresses | 00:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | right on right on :-D | 00:48 |
Luke-Jr | great | 00:48 |
kerio | let's just use tor hidden services | 00:48 |
Luke-Jr | I was about to leave, so I just pulled my NIC until I got home | 00:48 |
kerio | lmao | 00:48 |
Luke-Jr | kerio: namecoin + tor would potentially work nicely | 00:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | OpenSuse13.1 still has no patches | 00:49 |
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Luke-Jr | Gentoo either, but I backported it myself | 00:51 |
Luke-Jr | I haven't updated my N900 in months | 00:53 |
Luke-Jr | I wonder how safe it is to do right before I'm travelling with it as my primary PC | 00:53 |
KotCzarny | years? ;) | 00:53 |
Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: since whenever I switched to Thumb CSSU ;) | 00:53 |
Luke-Jr | is there any reason to think I could brick it? | 00:53 |
kerio | a better question is | 00:54 |
Luke-Jr | I'm updating my backups now, yes | 00:55 |
kerio | why don't you already have uboot flashed on nand and rescueos installed on emmc *and* usd | 00:55 |
Luke-Jr | I don't even know what half that is | 00:55 |
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Luke-Jr | oh, uSD | 00:55 |
Luke-Jr | usd looks like teh US Dollar to me :P | 00:56 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | eeeek | 01:37 |
kerio | sinisalo just shit the bed | 01:37 |
kerio | and died | 01:37 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: lol | 01:45 |
DocScrutinizer51 | not weekend. unusual | 01:46 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | maybe glibc update :) | 01:48 |
kerio | still | 01:49 |
kerio | adams is actually better for me | 01:49 |
kerio | 20 versus 35ms | 01:49 |
kerio | it's a damn shame that they moved wilhelm | 01:49 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | Im trying to use the Frankfurth one | 02:07 |
DocScrutinizer51 | H+sth | 02:08 |
kerio | that one is ipv4 only | 02:09 |
kerio | i had a 0.5ms RTT to wilhelm.freenode.net :'( | 02:09 |
DocScrutinizer51 | nah KORNBLUTH | 02:09 |
DocScrutinizer51 | not H* | 02:10 |
DocScrutinizer51 | you know that freenode infra scanner bot? | 02:11 |
kerio | no | 02:12 |
DocScrutinizer51 | I?ll query you when back home | 02:12 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy | 02:32 |
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Oksana | Sicelo: Good question. What are id3 tags? Could you please find an audio file with lots of id3 tags, for testing? For example, "tracker-info FILE" recognises title, artist, album, duration, release date, and track number, for a flac file I have, but I wouldn't be sure if these tags are id3 or not... | 04:21 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: most likely they are, what else could it be - except maybe of pathname | 05:58 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | anyway maybe that helps: http://paste.opensuse.org/8002215 | 06:02 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | the kid3 file open requester lists "filetype: All Supported Files (*.flac *.oga *.ogg)" | 06:06 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | mmmmpppph, asimov dropped me immediately after login, now on kornbluth again | 06:13 |
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Jef91 | Anyone know if there are still factory restore images for the n9 hosted somewhere online? | 06:56 |
Jef91 | Links on the maemo wiki all appear to be dead | 06:56 |
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* Maxdamantus got one from some dodgy looking site. | 07:04 | |
Maxdamantus | It'd be nice if there were checksums available somewhere. | 07:05 |
Jef91 | Maxdamantus, got a link to said dodgy site? I sold my old n9 and want to wipe my data off of it with a clean install before I mail it out | 07:05 |
Maxdamantus | I didn't note it down. | 07:06 |
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Maxdamantus | Actually, it looks like it was from some nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com location, but the URLs don't seem to work anymore. | 07:12 |
Maxdamantus | Host nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) | 07:13 |
Jef91 | urg | 07:14 |
Jef91 | no idea how to get everything off this without something like that >.< | 07:14 |
Jef91 | it has sailfish partitioned on to it and all sorts of toher stuff I can't remember doing | 07:14 |
Maxdamantus | How long do you have? | 07:15 |
Maxdamantus | I can make 59BEC3BC_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.SEAP_EMMC_SEAP.bin (1.9 GiB) and A6D5F456_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin (1.2 GiB) available at about 100 kB/s. | 07:16 |
* Maxdamantus wonders what region those are. | 07:17 | |
Jef91 | Not shipping it out till tomorrow night | 07:17 |
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Jef91 | I have an unlocked international n9 | 07:17 |
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Maxdamantus | I have a feeling it might depend where you want to use it too. | 07:17 |
Maxdamantus | because afaik there's some sort of firmware included for something to do with the modem. | 07:18 |
Jef91 | ahh | 07:19 |
Jef91 | I'm just going to try and manually remove all my stuff I think | 07:19 |
Jef91 | and leave it to them to deal with it | 07:19 |
Maxdamantus | 005 - Asia/Pacific (incl. Australia/New Zealand, excl. China) | 07:21 |
Maxdamantus | Ah, they're apparently pretty much the same except for 003. | 07:21 |
Maxdamantus | (China) | 07:21 |
Maxdamantus | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 | 07:21 |
Jef91 | well if you are willing to upload an image for me I'd take it | 07:22 |
Maxdamantus | Oh, the images are compressable. | 07:22 |
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Maxdamantus | Okay. Hang on. | 07:28 |
Jef91 | Maxdamantus, don't worry about it | 07:28 |
Jef91 | cleared enough to be happy | 07:29 |
Jef91 | thanks for offering | 07:29 |
Jef91 | I'm off - peace | 07:29 |
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Maxdamantus | Okay then. | 07:29 |
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Oksana | Sicelo: would gladly see an improvement over MussOrgsky. Especially if it was pure Gtk+C aka Hildon, without python. | 08:01 |
Maxdamantus | They compress to 1.3 GiB and 996 MiB anyway. | 08:04 |
Maxdamantus | (with `xz -9`) | 08:04 |
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lobito | please allow access to the website via tor | 10:13 |
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Maxdamantus | I'm uploading it to mega. | 10:29 |
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bencoh | have you tried webarchive, by the way? | 10:56 |
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Maxdamantus | I don't think that normally stores 2 GiB files. | 11:03 |
Maxdamantus | Oh wow, it does. | 11:04 |
Maxdamantus | https://web.archive.org/web/20131112195549/http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1207/0312/7076665785/A6D5F456_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 11:05 |
Maxdamantus | Doesn't have the particular eMMC image though. | 11:06 |
Sicelo | Oksana: i've just reid tracker-info on an MP3 with a release year tag .. didn't pick it up | 11:07 |
Sicelo | Oksana: i use mid3v2 for tag editing on the N900. i don't remember why i stopped using mussorgsky | 11:08 |
Sicelo | oh wait, 'Audio:ReleaseDate' = '-189388800' | 11:08 |
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Sicelo | i guess that's 1964? (at least N900 is not an iphone .. no bricking oncoming, haha) | 11:09 |
Maxdamantus | It's too even. | 11:10 |
Maxdamantus | Wed Jan 1 12:00:00 NZST 1964 | 11:10 |
Sicelo | even? | 11:13 |
Sicelo | well, i edited that track myself, only put in the year. since tracker seems to prefer unix time, i guess there we can't conveniently express year alone? we've got to add date, even seconds :p | 11:15 |
Sicelo | linux sucks sometimes, i guess | 11:15 |
Maxdamantus | (6*365 + 2)*24*60*60 = -189388800 | 11:15 |
Maxdamantus | er, s/-// | 11:15 |
Sicelo | so Oksana seems tracker sees those extra tags .. but our UI doesn't show them or use them | 11:16 |
bencoh | Maxdamantus: the archive team did a pretty good job on maemo/meego actually | 11:24 |
bencoh | (a tad late for meego, since half of it already disappeared, but still :) | 11:24 |
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bencoh | oh, by the way.... https://web.archive.org/web/20141201075625/http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ | 11:26 |
bencoh | I dont know if everything needed for diablo is there | 11:28 |
bencoh | but I think it's worth checking | 11:28 |
bencoh | KotCzarny: ^ | 11:28 |
Sicelo | if any of you could help me get a full datasheet of a chip OCC8001, i'd be much obliged. would give up my extra N900 even. talking about the full datasheet, not the 2 page info document that is on internet | 11:30 |
Sicelo | i tried as best as i could .. no luck :( | 11:31 |
jonwil | What is an OCC8001 exactly? | 11:31 |
Sicelo | a chip that controls what's called D2B bus .. it's an optic fibre based audio + control signal bus used on 1998-2002 Mercedes benz & jaguar cars | 11:32 |
bencoh | ewww | 11:32 |
jonwil | Let me guess, you own a Merc and want to hack it... | 11:32 |
Sicelo | yes :) | 11:33 |
Sicelo | just the audio system | 11:33 |
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Sicelo | someone else did it ... but he wants too much money (for me) | 11:34 |
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Sicelo | jonwil: it's actually very easy .. just want to inject digital audio signal into the head unit .. i can (which it will be fooled into seeing as a cd changer) | 11:36 |
Sicelo | the only thing is known the initialization sequence of the chip .. can't find that | 11:37 |
Sicelo | currently using my N900 fm tx, which works very well | 11:38 |
ceene | i just fixed my car's stereo yesterday :) | 11:38 |
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Sicelo | what was wrong? :) | 11:39 |
ceene | it suddenly went silent | 11:39 |
ceene | everything was working: screen, buttons, fm, casette (yeah, it's old!) | 11:39 |
ceene | but silent | 11:39 |
ceene | we discovered it was due to a chip not getting power at all | 11:40 |
ceene | why? would never know, we lost track of the... track, and we don't know where it was supposed to go | 11:40 |
inz | does working casette mean that it's good at eating tape? | 11:40 |
ceene | so i just soldered a new cable from Vcc to the chip | 11:40 |
ceene | and it started speaking to me again :) | 11:40 |
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ceene | it's a 1993 car with a 1993 radio | 11:41 |
ceene | http://pdf.dzsc.com/OCC/OCC8001-01.pdf this is the chip? | 11:41 |
ceene | so you want a full description, of course | 11:41 |
Sicelo | yes ceene | 11:42 |
Sicelo | i searched as much as i could .. didn't get anywhere .. unfortunately no logic analyzers or such fancy equipment at my disposal, so datasheet is the way | 11:43 |
ceene | you may be able to build a simple one with an arduino or whatever | 11:43 |
ceene | you just need to look at the SPI/I2C communication | 11:43 |
bencoh | I'm not even sure there is a "real" datasheet of it | 11:43 |
ceene | that's a synchronous serial protocol | 11:43 |
ceene | it's quite easy to tap into that | 11:44 |
ceene | https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9544 | 11:45 |
ceene | i understand this thing is built explicitely with that purpose in mind | 11:45 |
ceene | and it's cheap enough | 11:46 |
bencoh | Sicelo: http://kay-bruns.de/comand_spdif_low.pdf this might be of some interest to you though ;) | 11:46 |
* Sicelo looks | 11:46 | |
Sicelo | kaybruns .. i have it. german :( | 11:46 |
Sicelo | i even wrote to the person .. he didn't get far | 11:46 |
Sicelo | one guy that got it right works for Google, but he is not willing to share. :) | 11:47 |
bencoh | too bad | 11:47 |
ceene | i would go the bus pirate way :) | 11:47 |
ceene | it's a nice tool to have anyway | 11:47 |
bencoh | buspirate was really disappointing (for me at least) | 11:47 |
ceene | i haven't tried it myself, just read about it | 11:48 |
bencoh | it won't work properly with non-standard voltages | 11:48 |
ceene | it isn't any good? | 11:48 |
Sicelo | hmm, the description seems very nice :) | 11:48 |
ceene | even if it's not the perfect tool i think you could use it for that | 11:48 |
Sicelo | i have forgotten the voltages of the d2b system, but i think they are 'reasonable' enough | 11:49 |
bencoh | and the software around it (host libraries/tools) is freaking bad (but that's not really an issue since we could rewrite everything) | 11:49 |
bencoh | ceene: I tried using buspirate with a 2.7V i2c ... no luck | 11:50 |
bencoh | it looked pretty bad | 11:50 |
Sicelo | hmm, i see the duded now has firmware file sitting online. maybe RE that | 11:50 |
Sicelo | i know he uses RPi to control the OCC8001 | 11:51 |
ceene | and he has full software available, even on binary form? | 11:51 |
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Sicelo | so what happens is .. on the rpi, he sets it up as an a2dp sink. it send the digital audio and control signals to the chip | 11:53 |
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Sicelo | that's the only job of thr RPi. it's binary firmawre yes | 11:53 |
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ceene | well, you can always tap into output pins of the PI | 11:53 |
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ceene | or maybe | 11:53 |
ceene | replace /dev/gpio | 11:53 |
ceene | with a simple file | 11:53 |
ceene | and look at what it's outputing there | 11:54 |
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Sicelo | yes, now that he's got firmware.. i'll look into this again. previoulsy he had nothing at all public, except pictures of his setup | 11:54 |
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kerio | i wish freenode would just stop | 11:55 |
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Sicelo | ceene: bencoh : thanks for the ideas. maybe i'll bug you guys for this again .. & jonwil too :) | 12:00 |
Luke-Jr | kerio: and leave their servers exploitable? | 12:01 |
kerio | yolo | 12:01 |
Luke-Jr | do we have a fix for CSSU yet? :P | 12:01 |
bencoh | is CSSU vulnerable? | 12:01 |
kerio | workaround: don't use domain names | 12:01 |
Luke-Jr | bencoh: what isn't? | 12:01 |
bencoh | Luke-Jr: too old glibc? | 12:01 |
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Luke-Jr | hasn't it been years? | 12:03 |
Luke-Jr | oh wait | 12:03 |
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bencoh | http://www.infoworld.com/article/3033862/security/patch-now-unix-bug-puts-linux-android-and-ios-systems-at-risk.html | 12:03 |
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bencoh | "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 has glibc 2.5, so it isn't vulnerable" | 12:04 |
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bencoh | I dunno ow accurate this statement is, since the google team didn't mention any test on older versions | 12:05 |
bencoh | how* | 12:05 |
kerio | wait, why does ios use glibc? | 12:06 |
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Oksanaa | What program is run-able on Nokia N900 and can convert video from one format (like, mp4) and size (too-large) to other format (ogv?) and size (800x480 or what is N900's resolution?) | 12:08 |
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Maxdamantus | Why wouldn't it? | 12:08 |
bencoh | kerio: do they now? | 12:08 |
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Maxdamantus | It might just be the part of glibc that provides getaddrinfo. | 12:09 |
Maxdamantus | It's somehow separate iirc. | 12:09 |
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bencoh | Oksanaa: gstreamer? | 12:09 |
bencoh | (or ffmpeg, but software encoding/decoding is gonna take ages) | 12:09 |
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kerio | "Patch now! Unix bug puts Linux, Android, and iOS systems at risk" | 12:10 |
kerio | i'm pretty sure iOS doesn't use glibc | 12:10 |
bencoh | Oksanaa: oh and ... I wouldn't downconvert on n900... really. | 12:10 |
Oksanaa | Hmm, should read docs on it... It's annoying when low-resolution (600x360?) webm stutters | 12:10 |
bencoh | kerio: I'm pretty sure they don't either | 12:10 |
kerio | tech "journalists" | 12:10 |
bencoh | Oksanaa: vp9 inside? | 12:10 |
Oksanaa | bencoh: yes | 12:10 |
Oksanaa | I think so | 12:10 |
bencoh | we have no DSP vp9 decoding, so it's done in software, with a really old ffmpeg version | 12:11 |
Luke-Jr | Version: 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu3 | 12:11 |
Luke-Jr | guess we're fine | 12:12 |
bencoh | it should be faster with recent ffmpeg (they worked a lot on that during the past years), but .... | 12:12 |
Oksanaa | So, downconverting on n900 would take ages, and probably drain battery | 12:12 |
bencoh | exactly | 12:12 |
bencoh | well, not ages actually | 12:12 |
Oksanaa | But hours at least | 12:12 |
bencoh | certainly more than realtime playback, if you cant play it :) | 12:13 |
Oksanaa | If speaking of downconverting from 1280xsomething to 800xsomething, and long video | 12:13 |
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bencoh | haha, don't even think about that :) | 12:13 |
Oksanaa | Because upconverting 600xsomething is a travestry, for video quality | 12:14 |
bencoh | try looking for some h264/SD version | 12:14 |
Oksanaa | Will try | 12:14 |
bencoh | you don't need to upscale | 12:14 |
bencoh | gstreamer plays non-native resolutions fine | 12:14 |
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bencoh | qt/phonon-based players (cutetube internal player, for instance) have stride issues though | 12:15 |
Oksanaa | Still, I prefer having as high-quality video as it makes sense to. In this case, 848x480 60fps sounds stunning https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37883&page=2 | 12:17 |
* Oksanaa uses default media player | 12:17 | |
bencoh | default mediaplayer relies on mafw and mafw-gst-renderer, which is basically a gstreamer wrapper | 12:19 |
Oksanaa | Besides, I would like to have more start-up videos available for N900, which requires native resolution? | 12:20 |
bencoh | dunno about startup videos (I removed it here ;p) | 12:21 |
Oksanaa | What, is black screen so nice to look at? /eyebrows/ Or is it making startup faster? ;-) | 12:22 |
KotCzarny | using cpu cycles for actual bootinstead of some flashyflashy things | 12:25 |
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Oksanaa | Flashy things... much of GUI can be called flashy. But it helps user to know when programs are frozen, or not | 12:51 |
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bencoh | Oksanaa: doesn't bring anything useful, and it might be a source of issues | 13:16 |
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kerio | let's not forget that the boot video is one of the main reasons we couldn't have a split /usr | 14:08 |
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kerio | because pulseaudio is in /usr, and it's needed to play the sound of the hands video | 14:09 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Oksanaa> Besides, I would like to have more start-up videos available for N900,)) go for DONT_PANIC on maemo.cloud-7.de | 16:16 |
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L29Ah | ERROR:backup-util.c:270:get_contacts_from_file: assertion failed: (attr_uid) | 16:19 |
L29Ah | osso-addressbook-backup is fun | 16:19 |
L29Ah | it requires magic numbering of vcard contacts | 16:22 |
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deejaybar | hello | 16:33 |
deejaybar | any plans to release a new cssu-stable with new glib and speedyham? | 16:34 |
deejaybar | merlin1991: ;) | 16:34 |
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bencoh | deejaybar: maemo shouldn't be vulnerable (glibc) | 16:43 |
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L29Ah | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/navit/navit_0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563_armel.deb Size mismatch | 17:26 |
L29Ah | what | 17:26 |
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KotCzarny | yeah, someone noticed it already | 17:29 |
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Wizzup | robotanarchy_: I'd like to see if I can somehow help with getting sms and phone calls to work on the n900 mainline | 17:32 |
Wizzup | and if it already works, document that well | 17:32 |
Wizzup | not sure if I am interested in a particular UI, but some command line tools would be good | 17:32 |
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Sicelo | Wizzup: doesn't work yet? | 17:36 |
Sicelo | sms should be working at least ... you're using ofono or fso? | 17:36 |
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Wizzup | Sicelo: IDN. I need to check. Last time I tried the modem didn't work | 17:46 |
Wizzup | but now it seems to work | 17:46 |
Wizzup | so I heard | 17:46 |
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dangergrrl | Hi | 18:40 |
KotCzarny | danger grrill? | 18:41 |
dangergrrl | T | 18:51 |
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dangergrrl | Shopping for user interfaces for a 2 in 1 | 18:52 |
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dangergrrl | Afaik the needed parts of maemo are open source but there would be some issues loved my n900 before it was destroyed | 18:54 |
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robotanarchy_ | Wizzup: thanks for the offer! | 19:27 |
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Sicelo | looks like it's goodbye to iceweaseal | 23:42 |
pigeons | oh? | 23:46 |
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Sicelo | pigeons: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 | 23:57 |
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