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| Maxdamantus | Hm. I think I've bought three Nokia phones in the last week. | 01:33 |
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| KotCzarny | maxd: nokia or m$ phones? | 08:14 |
| Maxdamantus | Nokia. | 08:37 |
| Maxdamantus | Two N900s and an N97. | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | n97? | 08:40 |
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| Sicelo | does anyone know if the ubuntu phones let you boot some other distro? | 09:10 |
| Maxdamantus | Noone else bidded for it, so I won with NZ$2. | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | good deal | 09:14 |
| Maxdamantus | Twice the reserve price. | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | i bet shipping is more than the bid price | 09:16 |
| Maxdamantus | It's the same seller as the N900, so it will probably be nothing. | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | even better deal then | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | port maemo to it ;) | 09:18 |
| Maxdamantus | I'm getting the N900 so I don't have to use Maemo. | 09:18 |
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| Oksanaa | About pulseaudio and phonecalls: is it possible to 'hijack' phonecall to give espeak-output (instead of mic) to phone-app? | 12:38 |
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| Oksanaa | Is faxing theoretically possible with Nokia N900? Like, with efax or something, switching N900 to 2G for duration of fax sending maybe? https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36905&page=2 | 13:20 |
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| kerio | dear lord | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: (('hijack' phonecall)) sure, you just need to do the inverse of what e.g. recaller does | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fax over GSM is pretty much impossible. for (HS)CSD there was a fax and a data service flag. GPRS doesn't support any such fax sending anymore. AFAIK N900 BB5 modem doesn't support (HS)CSD, even *if* your carrier would still offer it | 14:40 |
| Oksanaa | Okay, is there a single xterminal line for recaller's action? Probably yes, but I have only orecchiette installed | 14:41 |
| Oksanaa | Would Neo900 modem be even less likely to support fax sending? | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your best bet to send a fax from N900 is to upload a pdf to a (SIP)provider who offers fax sending | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I haven't even checked if the P*S8 modems still support HSCSD | 14:42 |
| Oksanaa | It would require Internet, and then email would be easier than fax (I think) | 14:42 |
| Oksanaa | Would be nice to check, given that some cellular providers do still (hopefully) offer fax | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to check if the offer HSCSD dialout | 14:44 |
| Oksanaa | I have seen video call (cellular | 14:44 |
| Oksanaa | as an option with my provider, at least | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically HSCSD is a remote RS232 wire to a Hayes modem with fax function at carrier's exchange | 14:45 |
| Oksanaa | And 3G video calls are mostly out-of-date, too. So I am hoping that they offer Fax, too | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | try "ATD<your landline number>" (without ; at end) | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when the call is made by a modem and you hear a beep when picking up the call, you actually can do HSCSD | 14:47 |
| Oksanaa | No landline. But can check with worklandline | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but again, afaik N900 doesn't support that | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 will always initiate a voice connection on ATD | 14:48 |
| Oksanaa | Where do I type this low-level modem command? Not-in-X-Term-directly, for sure. | 14:49 |
| * Oksanaa does not remember where on wiki.maemo.org were modem commands described | 14:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quote from PHS8: >>The Modem interface is intended particularly for circuit and packet switched transmission (HSDPA, GPRSCSD). << so yes, that sounds like Circuit Switched Data | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to close the xterm to end pnatd | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (or killall pnatd in another shell) | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | <PLS8 quote> The AT^SRTC read command returns the currently set ring tone melody <number> and ring tone volume <vol- ume> for the incoming <event>s voice call, CSD call and SMS.</> | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you _need_ a dedicated data number different to your voicecall number for inbound CSD calls (receive FAX) | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though CSD and FAX are two separate though similar services | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme check if P*S8 actually supports FAX | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nope http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopUe3616.png | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: ideally you use T38 (http://www.3cx.com/pbx/t38/) with a app on the phone and a SIP provider that supports it | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you actually just pull a pdf into the drop area on your SIP provider's "send fax" webpage | 15:08 |
| Oksanaa | PHS8-P: no fax; others? Hmm, if 3G video calls, and FMMS too, send images, then it should be possible to cellular-send an image, and have a gateway fax it to fax? | 15:09 |
| Oksanaa | Or, simpler: SMS-to-fax gateway | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see above | 15:09 |
| * Oksanaa still thinks that espeak-hijacking would be absurdly useful. Unless bone-conduction headset allows to speak silently? | 15:10 | |
| jonwil | Why Fax is still a thing in 2016 I will never understand | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopVP3616.png | 15:12 |
| jonwil | Its one of those technologies that seems to hang on despite being obsolete years ago :) | 15:12 |
| Oksanaa | Because SMS is short and expensive. Same for FMMS | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because FAX is the only thing that has a minimum sender authentication by phone number | 15:13 |
| jonwil | SMS doesn't replace fax, what replaces fax is email and IM and sending things over the internet | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also FAX is sync, so you get in implicit reception confirmation, which you print to a so called send report | 15:14 |
| jonwil | caller ID is easy to spoof | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | such send protocol is a first evidence you actually sent the FAX, and the receiver has to prove he didn't receive it | 15:15 |
| Oksanaa | cellular internet could be the replacement... but some place are absurdly insistent on phone-calls-not-emails-thank-you. Not even SMS. | 15:15 |
| jonwil | Yeah fax i s still useful in cases where you need to sign something and send it back fast | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also it's actually an advantage that a FAX costs fees for the phonecall connection. This way FAX never seen such an amount of abuse by SPAM like e.g. email did | 15:18 |
| Oksanaa | Hmm, not sure how, but my google voice has SMS-to-email spam | 15:19 |
| Oksanaa | Not much, but two unsolicited spams in last week. Did Google Voice leak my gv number somewhere? | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's inherently slow which helps for the same | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | generally FAX is cheaper than a simple letter and almost as reliable as a registered mail | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually when you send the FAX via a service like http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopVP3616.png then it's even better than a registered mail, since you can prove *what* you've sent | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when | 15:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sobottom line: FAX is for legal stuff, contracts etc | 15:33 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: hi! finally onenand mystery is solved :). Could you remind me what I was supposed to do re system revision? | 19:28 |
| Pali | freemangordon: hi! yes, got email | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | I know, I put you in cc :) | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | for the patch that is | 19:29 |
| Pali | system revision: set it in rx51 code which call save_atags() | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | it is passed by nolo as well? | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok, besides sysrev, do we have something else minor to fix? | 19:31 |
| Pali | yes it is in one ATAG | 19:31 |
| Pali | so you need to parse it in code around save_atags() and set global variable system_rev (or how it is called) | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:32 |
| Pali | freemangordon: there is anther minor... get cpu freq values from kernel-power and add them to n900 DTS file | 19:32 |
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| Pali | now in DT booted kernel cpu freqs can be specified in DTS per board | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I doubt maintainers will alow us to put OC freqs there | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | :) | 19:33 |
| Pali | at least those non OC freq | 19:33 |
| Pali | they are different from generic omap3 | 19:33 |
| Pali | see patches in linux-n900 which fix that for legacy board code | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | ok, will se what can I do about that | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:34 |
| Pali | I CCed one email about it | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok, will find it when I come to it | 19:34 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: which tag do we want, ATAG_REVISION? | 19:53 |
| Pali | freemangordon: yes | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | Pali: "Revision: 0012" in qemu, ok? | 19:59 |
| Pali | yes | 19:59 |
| freemangordon | Pali: wanna send that patch for me, I won;t have time to do it now? | 20:00 |
| Pali | currently I do not have time... | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | ok, will send it when I have time then | 20:01 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: sent :) | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O :) | 20:33 |
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