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| Hurrian | wow, so apparently... that Twitter update on Harmattan that breaks mp-harmattan-001-pr causes pkgmgrd to remove all the packages that depend on it | 06:46 |
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| Hurrian | jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus | 06:46 |
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| Pali | Luke-Jr: hi! about kdepim-noakonadi... if you have idea how to fix this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166653 I would be happy... | 13:04 |
| povbot | Bug 166653: was not found. | 13:04 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: hi! | 13:59 |
| Pali | freemangordon: hi! | 13:59 |
| freemangordon | could you rebase to 4.5-rc1 :) | 13:59 |
| Pali | ok | 13:59 |
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| KotCzarny | darn splits, fmg: tracing io block access? | 14:42 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: trace it where? | 14:58 |
| freemangordon | also, the corruption happens when a reboot/shutdown is attempted | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | not on boot up? | 14:59 |
| freemangordon | no | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 14:59 |
| freemangordon | everything works perfectly, until you try a reboot | 15:00 |
| freemangordon | on next boot rootfs is unmountable | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | and it only happens with mainline? | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | is corruption random or just overwritten beginning of the nand? | 15:01 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: mainline only | 15:08 |
| freemangordon | no idea if it is random on on the beginning of nand, whatever "begining of nand" is | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | sector 0 | 15:09 |
| freemangordon | root is on mtd5, so it is hardly a beginning :) | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | did you try to add mount -o remount,ro /; sleep 10; before final reboot line ? | 15:11 |
| freemangordon | no | 15:13 |
| freemangordon | do you know where the final reboot line in maemo is? | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | nope, but i can look for it | 15:14 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: you think something is not flushed? | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | hrm /etc/init.d/minireboot | 15:15 |
| ceene2 | KotCzarny: reboot should sync and umount everything on its own, shouldn't it? | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | it already does remount | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, what if nand controler is in the middle of the write when device reboots? | 15:16 |
| ceene2 | sync, remount or umount shouldn't exit until after the controller behind it has finished, be it nand, sata or whatever | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | 'shouldnt', but it happens | 15:18 |
| ceene2 | but i'll say that sync and mount are more than probably bug free | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | yes, thats why i suggested sleep | 15:19 |
| ceene2 | so then, we could think that it's the nand controller the one returning too soon from a sync() | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | so it has a chance to flush internal queues if it has them | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~moo | 15:19 |
| infobot | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. | 15:19 |
| ceene2 | at least it's worth trying it | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: try adding sleep before reboot in /etc/init.d/minireboot | 15:20 |
| ceene2 | i can't test it today, my dev n900 is at home and i've lost access to my building machine | 15:20 |
| ceene2 | thus the abscense of 'ceene' :) | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | also actually checking if remount worked wouldnt hurt either | 15:20 |
| freemangordon | hmm, seems kernel partition got corrupted too | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 15:21 |
| ceene2 | kernel partition shouldn't be read only? | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | it is RO | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | then its random | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | afaik | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well no | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | well, it is not mounted at all | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | none of mtd? is ro per se | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 15:22 |
| freemangordon | so this is not really a FS corruption | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, this sounds terrible | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | still, try that sleep | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | unless corruption happens even before reboot | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I miss the OP, thanks to /ignore | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | but is just not triggered before reboot | 15:22 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: this happens if I boot rescueos with upstream kernel as well | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | upstream == mainline ? | 15:23 |
| freemangordon | yes | 15:23 |
| freemangordon | anyway, now I prepared cramfs with a couple of mtd tools to try to debug further | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | even without mounting anything in rescueos or after mounting rootfs? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: what's the story? | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | mainline kernel corrupts maemo footfs on reboot/shutdown | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | *rootfs | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hihihi | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice typo | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, more than rootfs apparently | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | :) | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: yeah | 15:25 |
| freemangordon | but this is visible immediately ;) | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mainline kernel maybe shuts down too fast? | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a page erase tages ages | 15:25 |
| freemangordon | actually it hangs because of a bug in g_nokia | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | takes* | 15:25 |
| freemangordon | but even if it succeed to reboot, it makes no difference | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, then its happening even before starting to reboot | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | ie. even after mounting anything and doing some writes | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess OMAP TRM has something to say about correct system shutdown | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | you can try writing some patterns | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | then seeing if they are spotted in corrupted places | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you will see some regularity | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: I don't have tools to trace what happens on shutdown | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also guess there's a reason why maemo proper takes some 10 to 30s to *actually* shut down. change your livelight pattern to see | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, not on shutdown, just start rescueos, write 1G of abcd repeated | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | then see if and where it starts showing (ie. in kernel partition and at which offsets) | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you still don't have serial console attached? | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, I don;t have devel board | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | this is a production device | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | if what you say is true, then regular writes corrupt random parts of nand | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 I assume? | 15:29 |
| freemangordon | and I don;t have the right tools to play with connectors under the battery | 15:29 |
| freemangordon | n900, yes | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how about getting a devel N900 and solder some wires to the UART3? | 15:30 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: or some buffer overflow which rewrites onenand | 15:30 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I'd rather pester tmlind who has devel n900 on his rack | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, add printk to every nand write with debug info? | 15:30 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: and read it how? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: why? | 15:31 |
| freemangordon | why what? | 15:31 |
| Pali | freemangordon, now fixing compile errors | 15:31 |
| Pali | looke like there were more api changes | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | if you start writing with dd directly to partition, it should be increasing numbers | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what would you do with a package with a modded N900 on your door step? | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | if there will be anything with odd offsets, then you can spot the bug | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | also, network log ? | 15:32 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I guess I'll start searching for a serial cable :) | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, it might even come with a serial<->USB adapter | 15:32 |
| KotCzarny | also, wasnt there a debug usb gadget? | 15:33 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, a revert of a recent patch seems to have fixed that, lets do the full boot and check | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: http://paste.opensuse.org/84665277 | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# file /sbin/reboot | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /sbin/reboot: symbolic link to `/bin/busybox' | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/94794124 | 15:45 |
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| Pali | git rebase in automode moved omap_dispc_set_plane_ba0 function (needed for pvr) from omap2 dss fbdev driver to omapdrm | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny: >> umount -r /; /bin/mount -n -o remount,ro / << | 15:46 |
| Pali | :D | 15:46 |
| Pali | maybe we should move pvr driver to omapdrm too | 15:47 |
| Pali | freemangordon ^^^ | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moin Pali | 15:48 |
| Pali | hi! | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OT: Trump, Oh My Gosh! I wonder if USA is a political system with just 2, just one, or zero parties | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | usa is ruled by .il, anything in the media is just for the show | 16:05 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: v4.5-rc1-n900 is in linux-n900 tree | 16:12 |
| Pali | after patching and fixing API changes I tested it in qemu and it is working here... | 16:13 |
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| Luke-Jr | Pali: no idea, sorry. I don't use local folders at all | 16:23 |
| Pali | Luke-Jr: that is also for dimap or imap folders | 16:24 |
| Pali | if you create search view | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you're still suffering this indexing mess? | 16:37 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: in kmail? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 16:38 |
| Pali | yes, on every startup | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 16:38 |
| Pali | if there is stored search view | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 16:38 |
| Pali | if I delete search view, everything is OK | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense, somehow | 16:38 |
| Pali | $ rm ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search/* | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the search in kmail never was really usable | 16:39 |
| Pali | this will delete all search views ^^^ | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it was about felt factor 100 slower than a simple grep | 16:39 |
| Pali | need to be called when kmail is not running... | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas I'm still doomed from akonadi | 16:40 |
| bencoh | what about mutt or claws? | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not like akonadi wouldn't have similar problems, but at least I can (and have to) suspend email indexing on every boot and every akonadi/kontact restart | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | virtuoso eating gigabytes of RAM | 16:44 |
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| KotCzarny | bencoh, having own webmail is nice too (especially on dedicated machine) | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: I know there are lots of nice 'apps' like mutt or thunderbird, there are even better desktops than KDE. My problem is: I'm not willing to migrate, I got used to that stuff and tailored it to fit during 15 years | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm definitely not one of the users who install a pristine system every 6 months | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, my windows deco looks like 1990 ;-) | 16:58 |
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| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: not telling you to install from scratch, just suggesting a solution that might fit your needs better ;) | 17:00 |
| bencoh | but okay | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: I pondered it several times, but http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/31/plasma-desktopsO3616.png among others | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even starting to think about migrating a 500k mails | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | each time I tried to do something like this, it ended in a 4 weeks disaster where I missed or lost important email stuff | 17:08 |
| ceene2 | why would you want to migrate half a million emails? | 17:10 |
| ceene2 | can't you just archive them and forget about them? | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, ever heard about hoarders? | 17:11 |
| ceene2 | :) | 17:11 |
| ceene2 | once i lost a hard drive due to malfunctioning | 17:11 |
| ceene2 | and i started to panic because i had lost hundreds of gigs | 17:11 |
| ceene2 | later on, i tried to remember what was there and i couldn't | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:11 |
| ceene2 | so i decided that it wasn't that important in the end | 17:11 |
| ceene2 | i just keep a backup now of family photos and little else | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | i have different problem, i have many notes scattered over multiple drives/machines | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, everything is in those emails, and archiving them seems a flawed approach since all metainfo like threads etc tends to get lost | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I however admit that kmail isn't up to handling my mails in the way it's supposed to be, anymore | 17:14 |
| ceene2 | yeah, but those threads aren't eternal | 17:14 |
| ceene2 | in a couple weeks, you won't have any of the old threads active anymore | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more often than not I have a hard time finding mails only a few weeks old, thanks to completely broken search function in kmail | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ceene2: when I want to check what a subcontractor answered to an inquiry I sent a year ago, I need threads when I only know and thus find my original inquiry but not exactly the answers | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | browsing though a maildir with random nonsensical filenames with grep doesn't really help | 17:17 |
| ceene2 | maybe you can set a previous archiving date | 17:18 |
| ceene2 | and keep last 365 days or so of email | 17:18 |
| ceene2 | but i'm sure you don't need anything from 2004 :) | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think my active mail is from last 3 years, the rest already moved to a "archived" resp "old stuff" folder, however still in kmail. I exculded those dirs from friggin akonadi indexing, which somehow works most of the time | 17:19 |
| Sicelo | akonadi is something like tracker on gnome? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even worse: akonadi actually is a MTA backend | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the fucking idiotic thing gets started on KDE startup and starts polling my email accounts even when kmail/kontact isn't started at all >:-( | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it gets started just because. everything in KDE using akonadi now | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | akonadi must have been invented by poettering | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/31/plasma-desktopHb3616.png nepomuk virtuoso akonadi all one big bullshit | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB you must not disable email indexing when you want even minimal search functionality in kmail | 17:26 |
| ceene2 | maybe you want to disable semantic desktop? | 17:26 |
| ceene2 | i don't even know what it does | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | ^^^ that's why i disable all such crap | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | and autoindexers | 17:27 |
| ceene2 | yeah, it all sounds just like trackerd :) | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I do this, nothing works anymore | 17:27 |
| ceene2 | several years ago I also used kmail | 17:27 |
| ceene2 | but didn't have so much email, of course | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | i mostly use webmail | 17:27 |
| ceene2 | in the end... i just use gmail :/ | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disabling sematic desktop implies disabling email indexing for example | 17:27 |
| ceene2 | it has its problems, but it also has the best searching capabilities, and labels are very nice | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, also, they have much better hardware | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no way. If I sell my ass to google, I don't do it for any less than google glass extreme | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even then I wouldn't disclose my email to google | 17:29 |
| ceene2 | i can understand that | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I even replaced the standard search from google to https://ixquick.com | 17:30 |
| ceene2 | i'd be happy to have a gmail-like system on a server of mine | 17:30 |
| ceene2 | but it doesn't exist, that i know of | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly will change from ixquick to https://startpage.com/ | 17:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | ddg.gg here | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | file:///usr/local/share/index.html here | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try startpage, it's great | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note the "proxy" option which allows to even visit result sites anonymously | 17:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | the thing is startpage uses google services, ddg don't they are yandex bing etc | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you "trust" the startpage company, but I do trust them more than I trust in google's "do no evil" which is only blabla | 17:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | :nod: | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, startpage explicitly uses google, but that's the argument to use startpage instead of google | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I want search results that are _not_ biased by google's point of view, I explicitly use a different search engine | 17:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I would prefer not to support Google at all, Youtube is prolly the only Google service I can think of I use. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want "without google", use https://ixquick.com | 17:38 |
| KotCzarny | swb: actually 'uses bing' is anti-cool imo ;) | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note how they are almost identical | 17:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | anti-cool? meh! | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the search results however differ | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? anti-cool? | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://startpage.com/eng/protect-privacy.html?hmb=1 | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | startpage makes money from google :-) I think this is a very reasonable business model | 17:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: great, thanks | 17:50 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: we will need LD_PRELOAD library for sscd to use new /sys/class/gpio instead gpio_switch | 18:15 |
| Pali | because nokia-modem.pm=0 will be probably removed :-( | 18:15 |
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| drathir | ddg rulez... | 18:47 |
| drathir | have proxy too but by default anonymize search trough google is available throught tor too if needed... | 18:49 |
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| sunshavi | Hola | 19:57 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: yes, I know | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | Pali: TBH it makes sense, no matter how much me and you dislike it :) | 21:58 |
| Pali | I do not see reason for removing that support, now after long time from kernel | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | Pali: the other option is to introduce an API to gpiolib that creates symlinks to exported gpios | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | Pali: because, by default you need patched kernel to export those gpios | 22:00 |
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| freemangordon | also, we can always unexport those, afaik | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | Pali: also, I guess I can RE sscd | 22:01 |
| Pali | sscd is big | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | is it? | 22:01 |
| Pali | LD_PRELOAD for sscd will be easier | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | sure | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | sscd is 100k | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | yes, big one | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | Pali: BTW, that onenand corruption happens if you mount in rescueos as well | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | I wonder if it will happen in qemu too | 22:04 |
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