IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2016-01-18

DocScrutinizer05thumb doesn't work with uBoot stock kernel00:00
DocScrutinizer05thumb is introducing quite a number of rough edges into the complete handling of system00:01
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Sicelo009Nunless i'm making mistake... but yesterday i did boot a non-kp 2.6.28 .. bme-replacement didn't work for example. yes, i'm on thumb myself00:03
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is it really a rough edge00:03
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: couldn't thumb install a binary that checks for thumb-enabled kernel very early in boot, and pop up a fatal warning when it's missing?00:03
kerioif it's been working completely fine for multiple years for multiple people00:03
Sicelo009Nor that 2.6.28 has the thumb errata patches?00:03
DocScrutinizer05kerio: please reread what I wrote00:05
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DocScrutinizer05handling can't "work" since it's an action user does00:05
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kerioit's about as rough as having an ext4 /home00:06
keriobenefits are obvious, problems are minimal to none, the only thing is that you can't boot the nokia omap1 kernel00:07
DocScrutinizer05exactly same level00:07
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DocScrutinizer05installing uboot on a thumb system is quite non-trivial since uboot won't boot the system unless you added all the uboot prerequisites like thumb kernel in right location and uboot config to use that thumb kernel, *prior* to installing uBoot00:10
Sicelo009Nbut uboot doesn force a restart ... you can still fix your .item files after00:13
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DocScrutinizer05or you use flasher to RAM-load the thumb kernel so you could run all the uBoot config after installing uBoot. There's only one single chance where you could try to config uBoot to work with thumb, without using such things like rescueOS or flasher-booting thumb kernel in RAM: after installing uBoot while you're still running the thumb kernel based system that booted without uBoot00:14
kerioi don't even have a kernel bundled with uboot00:16
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* DocScrutinizer05 can't help but starting to muse about initfs unused NAND partition every time the uBoot topic comes up00:32
DocScrutinizer05would be really interesting if NOLO checks initfs partition for code to execute, or maybe we even could patch NOLO to chainload uBoot from initfs instead of kernel space after NOLO00:35
keriowhat's the point?00:36
DocScrutinizer05the point is it's freeing up some space so maybe the powerkernel could go after NOLO00:37
DocScrutinizer05thus there would be a kernel that's not subject to damage during reflashing rootfs00:38
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PaliKotCzarny: on is i386 and armel version of fiasco-gen02:11
Palialso 0xFFFF is replacement for fiasco-gen, it can generate needed fiaco images02:12
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KotCzarny  lol05:15
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KotCzarnytotalizator, good one05:42
KotCzarnyevil doesnt even begin to describe it05:42
KotCzarnyluckily i use mcedit in latin2 mode05:42
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totalizatorbookmarked, thanks06:07
KotCzarnysee also
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Siceloanyone knows a way to have non-microb browsers to use Maemo's certificate store?10:03
KotCzarnydepends on the browser i guess10:03
Sicelofennec for example, or opera10:03
KotCzarnyfor fennec10:04
Sicelofor OWA i need to use a password-protected certificate. currently i can only use microb. let me try that10:04
Siceloand what path shall i give? :)10:04
KotCzarnythought you know that part ;)10:05
Siceloi only know to talk with mamo certifcates using cmcli10:06
KotCzarnyc_rehash /etc/certs/common-ca/10:06
KotCzarnythat could be the path10:06
Siceloyes, that10:06
Siceloi need the c_rehash part?10:07
KotCzarnyc_rehash is a command to refresh the store i think, but backup first10:08
KotCzarnycertman probably does it for you anyway10:08
Siceloyes, i believe certman does10:09
povbotBug 10423: HTTPS URL's Don't Work - certman's C_FindObjects mishandles null return from get_cert10:09
KotCzarnyhas some cmd magic too10:09
Siceloanyway, fennec for some reason decides to open the path and display its contents :p10:09
KotCzarnydid you put = or space?10:10
KotCzarnyalso, try --help10:10
Siceloi used =10:12
KotCzarnymaybe its some script instead of binary10:12
Siceloand the options don't have certificate-path10:12
Sicelocould be that fennec was stripped down bit too much.10:13
Sicelolet me check if i could find something useful in about:config10:13
Sicelono dice10:14
Siceloguess for the time being i should be content with microb, which does a good job actually. but maybe fennec would have performed even better10:18
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bencohSicelo: fennec is mozilla-based, and it probably uses its own store10:58
bencoh(just like firefox)10:58
Siceloyes, i figured that.11:05
Sicelodon't know how to manage it though ... i saw reference to some "certutil" tool11:06
DocScrutinizer05actually the full 'session':
ceenedpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory11:17
ceenels -al /var/lib/dpkg/info/smbfs*11:17
DocScrutinizer05even more 'full':
ceeneproblem is probably that /var/lib/dpkg/info/smbfs.postinst first line is #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh11:19
ceenehead /var/lib/dpkg/info/smbfs.postinst ?11:19
DocScrutinizer05#! /bin/sh11:20
ceeneremove the space11:20
ceeneand run dpkg --configure -a11:20
ceeneand then you should go and send a patch to whomever :)11:21
ceenei don't know if that's good or bad11:23
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# dpkg --configure -a11:24
DocScrutinizer05Setting up samba-common (3.4.3-maemo2) ...11:24
DocScrutinizer05dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory11:24
ceenefromdos /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst11:25
ceeneif there's fromdos11:25
ceeneor it can be done with sed11:25
ceeneor something11:25
DocScrutinizer05no fromdos11:25
ceenehow come these make it to the repos11:26
ceenethe people that did those scripts didn't try to install them?11:26
DocScrutinizer05 :-S11:30
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ceenehave you made the conversion from CR/LF to LF?11:30
ceene sed 's/.$//'               # assumes that all lines end with CR/LF11:31
DocScrutinizer05see sed oneliner. Yes, seems to have worked11:31
ceenesed -i ?11:31
ceeneso why does it fail now?11:31
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DocScrutinizer05same shit in *.config or whatever?11:32
ceenei think that sed like screwed up something11:33
DocScrutinizer05honestly wtf!?
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DocScrutinizer05  sucks11:37
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DocScrutinizer05err *cough*
ceenewhat the hell is all of that?11:41
DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~> iron900 cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst|pastebinit11:45
DocScrutinizer05and don't ask me what's ucf, never heard of it11:46
ceeneDescription-en: Update Configuration File(s): preserve user changes to config files11:48
ceeneit's the thingy that asks you on debian if you want to keep your configuration or use the new one from the package11:48
ceeneyou probably can replace ucf lines with cp -f "$NEWFILE" "$CONFIG"11:48
DocScrutinizer05I think for now I'm fed up with cifs ;-)11:49
ceenei don't understand how can this be on the repos11:50
DocScrutinizer05actaully I planned to share my music dir on PC to other clients in LAN11:50
ceenethe guy who did it screwed ip up big time11:50
ceenethe samba packages are fixable, though11:52
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DocScrutinizer05I give up. >> # mount -t cifs -o username=jr // /mnt/   ##>>  Mounting the DFS root for domain not implemented yet \n No ip address specified and hostname not found12:05
ceenei assume your server is a windows pc12:08
ceenebecause otherwise i've had good luck mounting NFS12:09
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DocScrutinizer05wow! worked, finally. After actually exporting something on my PC via samba12:38
DocScrutinizer05mount -tcifs -o user=jjjrrr,pass='fgdgfgf',ip= // /mnt12:40
DocScrutinizer05actually for "allow guests" share, the password isn't needed :-)12:42
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ceenegreat! :)12:46
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DocScrutinizer05but for flac it doesn't really work. Dropouts13:00
DocScrutinizer05dunno if WLAN or CPU is the culprit13:01
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DocScrutinizer05what's the average assumed bandwidth of flac?13:12
bencoh"a lot"13:13
bencohask ffmpeg/ffprobe :)13:13
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DocScrutinizer05seems a 16.5MB for 2:4013:15
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DocScrutinizer05so I don't think it's WLAN bottleneck13:16
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DocScrutinizer05I guess I will google for a nice flac->mp3 transcode shellscript13:19
bencohwhy dont you copy a sample to eMMC?13:21
ceeneflac should be less cpu intensive i guess13:41
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KotCzarnyi think oscp was happily playing flacs on n90014:03
KotCzarnyalso, one can install sshd via cygwin on windoze14:03
KotCzarnyanother way would be simply running some dlna server on windoze14:04
bencoh""simply"" krkrkr14:04
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KotCzarnyquite a number available14:05
KotCzarnyThe quickest way to set up a Windows 8 DLNA Media Server is to use the one that comes with Windows 8.14:06
KotCzarnyeven one is built in14:06
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DocScrutinizer05bencoh: the final goal is to cram 140GB of flac musik onto N900, so I'll convert it to mp3 anyway14:41
DocScrutinizer05oops, 171GB, mostly flac14:43
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KotCzarnymp3 is suck15:16
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DocScrutinizer05ceene: N900 plays local flac just fine15:38
DocScrutinizer05I already wonder if maybe my workstation or the router or AP have some hiccup. after all Amarok eats quite some CPU and disk IO BW for rebuilding database, for example15:40
ceenethat could be15:42
DocScrutinizer05then I actually opened up some 137.138 ports to the neighbour network for my friend to also access the musik dir, and I don't know how much his stuff would interfere15:44
DocScrutinizer05anyway access is pretty inconvenient after all, via "file" plugin in mediaplayer15:45
DocScrutinizer05this would probably be the first usecase where I could see some small benefit from this tracker abomination15:46
bencohor you can use cmus or any other non-mediaplayer-based player :)15:58
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Vajbi used amarok till my music collection grew over 20k. Then amarok became unusable slow16:14
Vajbrhythmbox works better with huge collection IMO16:14
KotCzarnyvajb, oscp handless hundreds of thousands playlists just fine ;)16:16
KotCzarny(couldn't resist)16:17
Vajbi bet it does =)16:21
Vajbbut, it wasn't available when i was looking for replacment of amarok16:22
Vajblike ten years back16:22
Vajboscp=overly spammed cute player (couldn't resist either)16:23
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Sicelohaha Vajb. interesting :D17:03
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jogayears ago when I still cared to have a music library, I used quodlibet17:06
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DocScrutinizer05Amarok is braindead, it sorts .mp3 and .flac of similar filenames into same album, even when they are located in two completely different filesystem dirs. Sounds almost as brainfscked as tracker17:18
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DocScrutinizer05and just like tracker, you can't search (or select) for pathname of file, so there's no way to edit file properies like Artist, Title, Albumname etc based on the property "is inside directory "file:///home/jr/Musik/Massive_Attack/[1998] Mezzanine"17:28
DocScrutinizer05note how even actually different filenames ('01. Angel.mp3' versus '01-Angel.flac') can convince Amarok to not merge both files into one virtual Album17:31
ceenecollection based players are broken17:34
ceeneby design17:34
DocScrutinizer05OTOH "file:///home/jr/Musik/Massive_Attack/Massive Attack Discography @ 320 (9 Albums + 5 Singles)(TripHop)(by dragan09)/Other albums/2006 - Massive Attack - Collected (Japanese Import)/CD 1/*"  shows up under "unknown Artist" "Album: CD1"17:34
ceenethere are so many variables that the player needs to take into account17:35
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ceenethat when one is missing results in a nonsense collection17:35
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DocScrutinizer05heuristics made by fools17:36
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't complain if I could click on the dir in amarok's "files" dirtree-view and edit the properties of the files in there. But Nooooo, you only can edit properties in collection17:37
DocScrutinizer05  :-((17:40
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ceeneyou can always request the feature17:43
DocScrutinizer05no damn clue what Amarok does, but I guess even when I'd rename the dirs completely, heck even when I'd rename the files completely, it probably still would look up a hash or whatever of the file in an online database and decide they both are named "01 angel" and belong into a virtual Album "Mezzanine"17:43
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KotCzarnyceene, if one has his music library sorted by genre/artist/album/ (which is a case usually), library based players lose17:47
KotCzarnyif one has files from the same album scattered over the place, imagine, very messy person trying to find anything17:48
DocScrutinizer05LOL segfault18:00
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Siceloi don't sort my music. all in one big directory, unless it already came as a directory. in short, i don't have complete albums (which is generally the reason one has directories). or in other words, yes, basically all my music is pirated/shared from someone else =)18:38
Sicelotbh, i have at one time tried to sort in that scheme proposed by KotCzarny .. got tedious very fast18:39
Siceloi therefore say both types of players (directory-based vs. database) have their strengths and weaknesses.18:43
KotCzarnysicelo, you can start with genre, it usually makes listening more enjoyable and tuned to current mood18:43
Siceloat least they all do their main job ... play music18:43
KotCzarnygeneric for me is techno/not-techno18:44
KotCzarnythen subgenres18:44
SiceloKotCzarny: will redo ... but i've found most of the music i get already has ID3 tags ... so, you can imagine18:45
KotCzarnysicelo, sure, i have ~300GB of music, most is categorized (but not all is tagged)18:47
Sicelo01 Trck 01.mp3, 1081163455.mp3 .. just found those in my music (N900) .. i don't even know what they are :)18:47
Sicelobut tracker knows :p18:47
KotCzarnyyou can run tag-batch-renamer18:47
KotCzarnyproblem solved :P18:47
KotCzarnyand i have directories named 'unsorted'18:47
Siceloexcept in my case there's no problem in first place. ;)18:48
KotCzarnyor 'mule-new'18:48
Siceloi already have genre, artist, album.. all there in that meaningless file name18:48
Sicelobut yeah, i'm not saying there's problem with directory player :)18:48
Siceloi'll try sort my music one of these days18:49
KotCzarnyyou dont have to do it all at once18:49
Sicelotag batch renamer is python? or something else? available for N900?18:49
KotCzarnyjust made up some name18:49
KotCzarnybut there are tools that do such thing18:49
Siceloi play my music only on N900 currently..18:49
Siceloah, hehe18:50
KotCzarnyi can give you my c program18:50
KotCzarnycrude and written in my early years, but does the jub18:50
Siceloas long as it can run on N900, sure.18:50
KotCzarnyits a simple console tool18:50
KotCzarnyso would run everywhere where is c compiler18:50
Sicelowhich reminds me to fix one of the songs i have here .. bad tag18:52
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Siceloa positive side effect of tagging is lyric download for those players implementing this (e.g. OMP)18:56
KotCzarnyahm, my tool was working other way round18:57
KotCzarnyit tried to parse path/filename to batch tag18:58
KotCzarnybut there are console tag renamers18:58
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Siceloslightly OT .. but sometimes i have problem deciding exact genre of a song. i mostly lisen to reggae & rock, and the variations here are a little too muc. or i'm complicating matters?19:00
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KotCzarnywhat is the question?19:01
KotCzarnyyou want to map some genres to simpler genres?19:01
pigeonsyes you are thinking too much, there is no good answer19:01
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Siceloi think pigeons got it19:02
Siceloreggae --> dancehall, dub, roots .. i have no really good idea what's what :)19:03
Sicelorcok is even worse19:03
Sicelobut yeah, i'll just stick to main,19:03
KotCzarnysicelo, my approach 'reggae/rock/other'19:03
KotCzarnyie. create 3 main folders19:04
KotCzarnythen you can differentiate more19:04
Sicelohow do you deal with songs that appeared in different albums? :)19:05
Sicelouse 'first'?19:05
KotCzarnyi usually delete copies that are outside albums19:05
KotCzarnyunless its a remix or cover19:06
KotCzarnyso, if you have an album and its logical structure matters, use it, if not, just copy to artist subdir19:06
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DocScrutinizer05I'm only listening to full albums. And often the gaps/breaks between songs suck big time19:35
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Sicelowe don't have a gapless player on N900, do we?19:38
DocScrutinizer05nope, we don't. But sometimes even 'gapless' doesn't help, when already the artists fucked up the remix, and then the flakes rushed over and wrecked it some more:
KotCzarnysicelo: problem with alternative players on n900 is that display events can introduce skips19:41
KotCzarnyas for gapless its still in my todo19:42
SiceloKotCzarny: even when using mafw?19:43
KotCzarnyi dont use mafw, but when i tried gstreamer it behaved the same19:44
* Sicelo checks out DocScrutinizer05's music .. never heard of that19:44
KotCzarnysicelo: alt rock19:44
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KotCzarnythough its more experimental19:45
KotCzarnybrain eno and robert fripp19:45
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Sicelo  <--- interesting. we're happy to receive 'junk' because it's free :D19:47
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Sicelogot a bit of that music on youtube now. are there any good streaming music sites around? or everything is geared toward video?19:48
KotCzarnysicelo, there was, but it was bought out and went down the drain19:49
KotCzarnythere might be more sites like this, otoh you can always listen to internet radio19:50
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: Bowie, Eno, Fripp... and the awesome projects they participated19:50
DocScrutinizer05you know, Bowie's 'Heroes' would be nothing without Fripp19:51
Sicelohmm, it's a nice song. didn't know it :)19:52
DocScrutinizer05add a tad (a huuge tad) of Zappa on top19:53
DocScrutinizer05plus the standards (though usually I prefer the early stuff) from bands like Genesis, Pink floyd, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk...  Lots of Newwave19:56
KotCzarnysicelo: if you like artistic rock check out 'king crimson'19:56
KotCzarnythey do concept albums19:56
KotCzarnypretty awesome at that too19:56
Sicelochecking it out right away19:57
KotCzarnybut their style was changing over the years19:57
KotCzarnylarks tongues in aspic is pretty smooth19:57
KotCzarnyand i bet you know '20th century schizoid man' from another album19:57
Sicelono. didn't :D19:58
Siceloam listening to that one currently19:58
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Siceloi'm more 'classical' .. listen to Dylan, Procol Harum, Queen, etc.19:58
KotCzarnyso closer to pop songs then 'classical' in the sense of musical-painting ?19:59
DocScrutinizer05all on my list as well :-)19:59
DocScrutinizer05well, Dylan maybe not that much19:59
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Sicelothat's the problem KotCzarny. is it pop? i personally wouldn't consider Procol any closer to Celine Dion for example .. but this is exactly the issue i was talking about earlier .. i wonder if there could be a definitive classification of songs20:01
DocScrutinizer05 zappa absolutely free/20:01
KotCzarnyi didnt say its pop, but more in that direction20:01
KotCzarnyie. accessible by regular joe20:01
SiceloTongues in Aspic  is cool. liking it :)20:01
KotCzarnysicelo, grab all of king crimson then20:01
KotCzarnyand listen WHOLE albums20:02
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah20:02
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DocScrutinizer05Lark's tongues even20:02
* Sicelo going to become worse pirate than he already is here, haha20:02
KotCzarnyi have quite a lot of king crimson cds20:02
KotCzarnyalso, grab lossless20:02
DocScrutinizer05find "Red" !20:03
KotCzarnyit really makes a difference20:03
KotCzarnymore depth20:03
KotCzarnyand space is cheap nowadays20:03
Siceloyou need the equipment too, however20:03
Siceloi.e. speakers20:04
KotCzarnyyes, but even on middle-lower tier audio you can hear the difference20:04
KotCzarny(not counting crapspeakers for pc)20:04
DocScrutinizer05first 8 records of King Crimson are all excellent20:04
DocScrutinizer05when adrian Belew(?) joined, it got a tad too err mainstream?20:05
KotCzarnyofftopic, hdmi->vga converter eats ~40mA20:07
Siceloone thing i hate with N900+tracker is that there's no mechanism to request/initiate reindexing. tracker-processes -r then opening mediaplayer is not efficient imo (yes, tracker as a whole is inefficient, i know)20:08
sunshaviKotCzarny: i think I read yesterday "hdmi->vga converter eats ~40mA" when talking about raspberry pi :)20:08
KotCzarnysunshavi: banana pi here20:08
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KotCzarnyi was afraid it would be drawing ~250mA as the seller description stated, but 40 is ok20:09
sunshaviKotCzarny: great, to know it20:09
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sunshavion n800 y play my mp3 collection using gstreamer on emacs/emms20:09
KotCzarnybut i measure with crappy 'charge doctor'20:09
Siceloon subject of power consumption .. does someone know how much extra draw tv-out adds (N900)?20:10
KotCzarnysicelo, run bq script then enable tv?20:10
KotCzarnys/run/run in loop/20:10
infobotKotCzarny meant: sicelo, run in loop bq script then enable tv?20:10
KotCzarnys/run/run in loop mode/20:10
infobotKotCzarny meant: sicelo, run in loop mode bq script then enable tv?20:10
Sicelodon't have tv :D20:11
KotCzarnygot anything with composite input?20:11
KotCzarnyset top box?20:11
KotCzarnygrabber card in pc?20:11
Sicelonop. will test at work with my monitor20:12
sunshaviKotCzarny, where is the bq script?, I always have wanted to know the bluetooth power consumption on my NX00's20:13
infobothmm... bq27k-detail is, or ~bq2720:14
infobotsomebody said bq27 was bq27*, or
KotCzarnybut its for n90020:14
KotCzarnyalso, it might be that converter eats ~40mA, but connecting hdmi eats ~300mA20:15
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KotCzarnyoh, wow, disconnecting hdmi cable oopses kernel :>20:17
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Sicelosunshavi: wondering if that will work on N800 .. does it have the chip?20:23
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sunshaviSicelo: no idea, let me test it20:35
sunshaviand see what it happens20:36
KotCzarnylsmod|grep bq20:36
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KotCzarnyif you dont have it, dont bother further20:36
KotCzarnybut i think bq27200 was n900's only20:37
sunshaviKotCzarny: according to lsmod You r right, that's the answer Sicelo20:38
sunshaviThat n900 is a unique piece of engineering: I want another one, somebody is coming to latin-america ;)20:41
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: TV won't add significant power drain. For KC songs
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: you must  not listen to this song from shitty speakers. Use headphones!21:03
Siceloeven headphones haha .. you need good ones21:04
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: like these here,
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: hehe, well the *old* AKG K340 cans would do21:32
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sunshaviIs anyone using scratchbox2?22:02
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digitalbumI have a quick question23:55
digitalbumIt's not urgent, but I would like to recompile FCamera with some slight changes23:56
digitalbumIt's a QT app. qmake is needed so I guess a scratchbox is required23:57
digitalbumThe question is, is there another way? Has anyone compliled a QT app on device?23:58

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