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| jonwil | hi | 00:33 |
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| klopsi-u3 | hi jonwil | 00:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | of course but how? there isn't one included in CSSU AFAIK | 00:49 |
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| jonwil | All the pieces for portrait vkb are there I believe, its just a matter of someone writing something | 01:55 |
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| erlehmann | jonwil vkb? | 01:59 |
| jonwil | virtual keyboard | 02:00 |
| erlehmann | ah ok | 02:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | writing or packaging? | 02:09 |
| jonwil | the relevant bits have been cloned | 02:12 |
| jonwil | so I imagine it wojuld be a matter of someone adding portrait support to it | 02:13 |
| jonwil | someone who knows more about GTK than I do that is :) | 02:15 |
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| jonwil | ~seen pali | 05:12 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #neo900, 22d 3h 39m 48s ago, saying: 'campaign for what?'. | 05:12 |
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| Vajb | hmm. i have portrait vkb. I thought all devices have it. It's just about enabling vkb from menu. | 05:36 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: hi! | 08:23 |
| jonwil | hi | 08:23 |
| jonwil | I saw your changes, good work so far :) | 08:23 |
| freemangordon | where did you get cmtspeech code from? | 08:24 |
| jonwil | I took the code that was in https://github.com/community-ssu/cmtspeech/ | 08:24 |
| jonwil | and reverse engineered/changed it | 08:24 |
| freemangordon | I mean the fremantle version | 08:24 |
| freemangordon | only RE? | 08:24 |
| jonwil | yes only RE | 08:24 |
| jonwil | I reverse engineered it all out of module-nokia-voice | 08:25 |
| freemangordon | ok | 08:25 |
| freemangordon | great job | 08:25 |
| jonwil | on top of the existing FOSS Meego cmtspeech cod | 08:25 |
| jonwil | code | 08:25 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: we'll have big troubles with that thread_func, for some reason reset_call_stream_states and the functions it calls were declared inline in the header file | 08:26 |
| freemangordon | so the code is replicated all over the place, thus the size of that function | 08:27 |
| jonwil | thats going to be annoying | 08:28 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 08:28 |
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| jonwil | at least we have the code from the Meego source to help us out | 08:28 |
| freemangordon | I copied the code from meego, but until we start testing it on the device, we wouldn't know how close it is | 08:29 |
| jonwil | It wont be correct, I can say that now | 08:29 |
| freemangordon | I know :) | 08:30 |
| freemangordon | but at least we have some code to start with | 08:30 |
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| jonwil | you seem to have gotten voice_cmt_dl_deactivate somewhat correct at least (for example) | 08:30 |
| jonwil | and also voice_cmt_ul_deactivate from the look of it | 08:31 |
| freemangordon | I tried hard to have at least that part correct | 08:31 |
| freemangordon | actually, besides thread_func and the function it calls, the other parts should be more or less correct | 08:32 |
| freemangordon | *functions it calls | 08:32 |
| jonwil | I am going to take a look at thread_func and see if I can see anything you got wrong :) | 08:33 |
| freemangordon | that would be great | 08:33 |
| jonwil | I can already see one mistake, you missed a pa_rtpoll_install call at the start of the function | 08:34 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 08:35 |
| freemangordon | will fix it | 08:35 |
| jonwil | I will fix it when I commit any other fixes I find :) | 08:36 |
| freemangordon | ok | 08:36 |
| jonwil | I also see a missing check against the return value of cmtspeech_open | 08:37 |
| jonwil | where it does (if !cmtspeech) do stuff | 08:38 |
| jonwil | oh wait that's part of check_cmtspeech_connection i think | 08:38 |
| freemangordon | yes | 08:38 |
| freemangordon | it is like spaghetti :( | 08:38 |
| jonwil | looks like the whole if (!cmtspeech) bit is a copy of check_cmtspeech_connection | 08:39 |
| freemangordon | oh, now I see why they put the stuff in headers, see voice_aep_sink_process | 08:40 |
| jonwil | so once we verify that its properly cloned, we can tick it off and move on to the next step | 08:40 |
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| freemangordon | chech_cmt... should be correct I think, but nevertheless won't hurt if you check it as well | 08:40 |
| freemangordon | *check... | 08:41 |
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| jonwil | I think the hardest part of all this is going to be the mountain of math that sits behind functions like wrap_a_audio_enh_downlink and wrap_a_audio_enh_uplink | 08:44 |
| freemangordon | you mean the NEON code? | 08:45 |
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| freemangordon | oh, I see what you mean | 08:46 |
| freemangordon | but the good news is that those functions are relatively small, albeit lots of | 08:47 |
| jonwil | the tricky part there will be figuring out all the data structures | 08:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 08:49 |
| jonwil | init_main is where a lot of the stuff there will need to start | 08:49 |
| jonwil | init_main looks like its the main function from something standalone taken and thrown into a blob | 08:50 |
| freemangordon | yes | 08:51 |
| freemangordon | I am not sure we should RE it at all | 08:52 |
| jonwil | so you are suggesting we go with my idea of simply re-using all of this math stuff (i.e. anything that doesn't call PulseAudio or talk to the hardware)? | 08:53 |
| freemangordon | no, I'd prefer to not carry blobs around | 08:54 |
| jonwil | ok, so what do we do? | 08:54 |
| freemangordon | the same we did with xprot, record and music | 08:54 |
| freemangordon | once we have the PA part, I'll RE the algos | 08:55 |
| freemangordon | for testing we can use the blobs though, to verify PA part is ok | 08:55 |
| freemangordon | sounds ok to you? | 08:55 |
| jonwil | ok | 08:55 |
| jonwil | what about init_main? We need that if we want all the algos to work :) | 08:55 |
| freemangordon | do we? well, we'll have to RE it then :D | 08:56 |
| freemangordon | I though it isn't called | 08:56 |
| jonwil | it is | 08:56 |
| freemangordon | ok | 08:56 |
| jonwil | voice_update_parameters calls it | 08:56 |
| jonwil | basically it looks like they originally wrote something to test out aep | 08:57 |
| jonwil | which took a bunch of command line parameters (there is even "usage" info in that function which might help) | 08:57 |
| jonwil | then they wrapped that up into the blob | 08:57 |
| freemangordon | yes, I saw that when I looked at the code back then | 08:58 |
| freemangordon | iirc there are code parts that try to open files | 08:58 |
| jonwil | anyhow, I am sure we will get there in the end | 09:00 |
| jonwil | and have a usable replacement for yet another nokia blob | 09:01 |
| freemangordon | "yet another"? | 09:02 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I'd say this is one of the major stoppers for porting fremantle around | 09:03 |
| jonwil | for Neo900 it is | 09:03 |
| jonwil | since we are copying the audio system | 09:03 |
| freemangordon | not only, you need that for n900 as well, you you want to use newer kernels | 09:04 |
| jonwil | yes we do | 09:04 |
| freemangordon | *if you | 09:04 |
| jonwil | but if you just wanted Fremantle apps and core on an existing device that had its own audio setup, you wouldn't need pulseaudio-nokia to make it happen | 09:04 |
| freemangordon | also, I guess it will be needed ,at least partially, if one wants to port to some android HW | 09:04 |
| freemangordon | you need that for voip | 09:05 |
| freemangordon | afaik | 09:05 |
| jonwil | Any android device will have its own stuff for making voip audio sound good (that will be tuned to the audio bits of that hw) | 09:05 |
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| freemangordon | but we won;t be able to reuse those | 09:06 |
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| jonwil | you wouldn't be able to run Fremantle on most Android devices in any case, the GPU alone would be a problem (I dont think you can get x11 GPU drivers for most Snapdragon series SOCs for example) | 09:08 |
| jonwil | that said, our mission here is focused on the N900 and Neo900 where we most definatly DO need a clone of pulseaudio-nokia to move forward | 09:09 |
| jonwil | ok, looks like check_cmtspeech_item and pollfd_update are both correct | 09:09 |
| freemangordon | you don;t really need GPU to run fremantle, hildon will be happy without it afaik | 09:09 |
| freemangordon | but yeah, this is not in the first stage anyway | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | however, /me gtg | 09:12 |
| freemangordon | bye, see you later | 09:12 |
| jonwil | cya | 09:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Nota Bene we are _not_ copying any cmtspeech related hardware! Neo900 cmt audio is a simle PCM "card" | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simple even | 09:25 |
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| jonwil | no but we copied the rest of the n900 audio system | 09:31 |
| jonwil | most of it anyway | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | basically all of it | 09:35 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: I've found a valid fix for the cssu thumb installation issues re repositories | 17:04 |
| merlin1991 | new enabler is in testing, you probably want to merge master into your thumb branch and upload a new version to -thumb | 17:05 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: thanks, will do | 18:50 |
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| tiwake | does communication error mean that my SIM card is dieing? | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | but it can also be dying modem | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | or dirty sim contacts | 20:19 |
| tiwake | well, I don't think its the cellphone tower | 20:19 |
| tiwake | heh | 20:20 |
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| klopsi-u3 | i get those errors on occasion | 20:24 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Vajb: I don't believe you will have proper portrait keyboard. | 20:32 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | enabling forced rotation will make the vkb squash into portrait format, but I wouldn't call this portrait vkb. It's not fully usable IMO. | 20:34 |
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| klopsi-u3 | throw the ball up in the air and it takes a panorama image https://www.panono.com/home | 20:44 |
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| Vajb | sixwheeledbeast: ok. Then that's what it is (portrait vkb). Usable easily with pointer IMO. Harder with fingers though. | 21:36 |
| Vajb | i mean i have forced rotation enabled... | 21:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | not all button are accessible | 21:37 |
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| Vajb | seems to me that they are | 21:39 |
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| Vajb | can't see symbols on two of them, but they r still accessible with stick atleast | 21:39 |
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| Vajb | ok four of them r missing proper signs | 21:40 |
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| Vajb | layout switcher, shift, backspace and special character button | 21:40 |
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| Timo | Is this just a channel about the Maemo software or can I ask a question about the N900 hardware? | 22:24 |
| Sicelo | yes you can | 22:24 |
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| KotCzarny | n900 is the best linux phone available (in sane price tag range) | 22:25 |
| bencoh | Timo: it's a chan for both :) | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | um kay, oscp revision -54 upped | 22:27 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm planning to add earwax in -55 | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | that being? | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | Timo: we're curios now .. what did you want to ask :) | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6eHJ6JjM | 22:28 |
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| Timo | Sicelo: Well, the usual USB port thing. However, it doesn't seem to be the soldering on the board. It's more like the problem is *inside* the port. Charging only works when the USB cable is in a specific position and the problem worsens over the time... | 22:31 |
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| KotCzarny | ~usbfix | 22:31 |
| infobot | i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt | 22:31 |
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| Sicelo | Timo: it happened to me .. ultimately you'll be resoldering the port | 22:32 |
| Sicelo | i'd say the earlier the better | 22:33 |
| Timo | Ah, so it isn't inside the port. It really is the soldering. | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | or if one has weak soldering skills, just start hunting for cheap ~20-40usd second hand one | 22:34 |
| Sicelo | it also can just be inside port .. but there's no way to fix that. you change port as a whole | 22:34 |
| Timo | KotCzarny: Skills aren't the problem (one has an experienced father), but we don't have the right soldering iron. | 22:34 |
| Timo | I guess buying a cheap second hand one is my best option, right? | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | you can invest in proper iron and start fixing them | 22:35 |
| Sicelo | Timo: i used normal soldering iron on 2 N900. first smd project at that | 22:35 |
| Timo | Hmm, and it worked, Sicelo? | 22:35 |
| Sicelo | it didn't just work ;) it work*s* perfectly even now | 22:36 |
| Sicelo | you need to do your research properly .. so you understand the whole process of smd soldering | 22:36 |
| Sicelo | with soldering iron, copious amounts of flux are a definite necessity. you won't get far without it | 22:37 |
| Timo | Hmhm. | 22:37 |
| Timo | I inspected the connections to the motherboard, but they seem to be good, not weak or something. | 22:38 |
| Sicelo | here is the technique i used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uiroWBkdFY | 22:38 |
| Sicelo | ideally though, use hot air | 22:39 |
| bencoh | and get a printed-circuits soldering flux | 22:39 |
| bencoh | not some corrosive flux for other soldering uses | 22:40 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: i want to try that earwax thing on my pc .. tbh i like the sound 'in' my head, but would like to try this too. maybe i will like it | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, its in the sox | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | it works as advertised | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | i was using it in the xmms times | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | (~10 years ago) | 22:40 |
| Sicelo | so i need to install sox? | 22:41 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, and it can read mp3/play to alsa i think | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | or just use pc and convert to wav | 22:42 |
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| Timo | Sicelo: Does the N900 have unleaded soldering tin? Because my iron doesn't get hot enough to melt that. :-/ | 22:42 |
| Sicelo | i used a 30-40W iron .. for desoldering, use braid .. i will say this is a necessity too | 22:43 |
| Sicelo | Timo: don't you have good, equiped electronics shops around? they should be able to do it for you :) | 22:44 |
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| Sicelo | just make it clear that any mistake my lead to their instant death, haha | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:44 |
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| Timo | I know one electronics shop in my town but I think they only sell parts, and don't do any reparations themselves. | 22:45 |
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| Timo | I can ask it though. Guess it's safer than doing it myself. ;) | 22:45 |
| Sicelo | look around .. you may find experienced people | 22:45 |
| bencoh | "safer", hmm | 22:45 |
| bencoh | you never know | 22:45 |
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| Sicelo | give them your samsung first ;) | 22:46 |
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| Timo | Hehehe | 22:46 |
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| Timo | People don't seem to sell their N900s anymore. | 22:47 |
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| KotCzarny | depends on the region | 22:47 |
| Timo | Netherlands. | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | lots of them in .pl | 22:47 |
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| KotCzarny | most in 30-60usd range | 22:47 |
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| bencoh | I think there were a few ones on maemo recently | 22:47 |
| henkjan_ | Timo: i've been searching markplaats for maemo a lot lately, but no results | 22:48 |
| Timo | bencoh: Those are rather expensive, given the (usually quite high) shipping costs. | 22:48 |
| jonwil | The only reason I will get rid of my N900 is if it breaks in a way that is unfixable or if by some miracle I am able to afford a new better phone (which means Neo900) | 22:48 |
| henkjan_ | managed to pickup a n900 last year for 25,- | 22:48 |
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| Timo | henkjan_: I've bought one for €10,- lately, but it did have quite some problems. | 22:48 |
| Sicelo | so you have two Timo? | 22:48 |
| Timo | Yep. | 22:49 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | it begins | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | then take care of your babies :) | 22:49 |
| henkjan_ | my n900 has a defective camera shutter button :( | 22:49 |
| henkjan_ | no taking pictures for me | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | um .. nicocam allows you to capture with C key on hwkbd ;) | 22:50 |
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| Timo | Sicelo: Of course. Unfortunately one has a non-functioning power button (that's the €10,- one), the other one has the USB problem. Hopefully I can buy one soon. :) | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | if you can't find working N900, buy broken one .. move parts around | 22:50 |
| Timo | henkjan_: I'm rather sure the white square on the left in cameraui2 does the job. | 22:50 |
| Timo | Sicelo: The point is both the power button and the usb port are too difficult to move. | 22:51 |
| henkjan_ | Sicelo: thnx for pointing me to that software. i'll give it a try | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | Timo: I found a shop(internet) that still sells unboxed n900, though not exactly cheap | 22:52 |
| henkjan_ | Timo: i'll try that one also | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | henkjan_: it is that cameraui2 that Timo mentioned | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | freemangordon: how much? | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | about 300 euros | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | eek | 22:52 |
| Timo | Err, that's a bit of a lot too much. :-P | 22:53 |
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| freemangordon | well, I bout it for about 450 back then, so the price is reasonable | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | *bought | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | yes, was writing same :) | 22:53 |
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| Timo | I was thinking of ~50 euros. I have a brand new digitizer and the screen from my previous ones so a cheap one with a working motherboard is fine. | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | bought mine for EUR220 in 2011 | 22:54 |
| Timo | Heh, €150 in 2011. | 22:54 |
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| Sicelo | Timo: get the L3/L4 Service Manuals, read up on tmo about the experiences of others .. you will find the usb and power button won't be as difficult as they seem right now | 22:56 |
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| Sicelo | wtf! | 22:57 |
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| Timo | Sicelo: If I can't find a decent replacement device I'll definitely try! | 22:58 |
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| * Timo parties. | 22:59 | |
| Timo | I asked on a forum whether someone had an N900 available to sell, got a reply. Hopefully it's inside my price range. | 22:59 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: unboxed n900? do they still have some? | 23:01 |
| bencoh | sounds crazy in 2015 | 23:01 |
| Sicelo | unsold stock | 23:02 |
| bencoh | sure, but still ... 6 years later | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | what else can they do with it :p | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | donate | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: at least they list it as avalable http://gsm-bg.net/%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5/nokia/nokia-n900 | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | sorry, but the site is in bulgarian only | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | however, the price is: | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | ~669/2 | 23:04 |
| infobot | 334.5 | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | and it is supposed to have 2 years of warranty | 23:05 |
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| freemangordon | no idea if this is for real | 23:05 |
| bencoh | oh well ... :) | 23:05 |
| bencoh | "nice" | 23:05 |
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| KotCzarny | at that point its better to save a bit more for neo900 | 23:06 |
| Timo | ...if it ever comes to production state. | 23:06 |
| Wizzup_ | why not just get a second hand one? | 23:06 |
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| freemangordon | I guess it is getting harder to find one in a good condition | 23:08 |
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| Wizzup_ | I have several in decent condition | 23:09 |
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| klopsi-u3 | ~repositories | 23:28 |
| infobot | repositories are frequently old. | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 23:28 |
| infobot | well, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 23:28 |
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| klopsi-u3 | ty | 23:30 |
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| jonwil | freemangordon: ping | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | hi jonwil | 23:55 |
| jonwil | I happened to have the same changes you just made (plus some others) in my local commit so it was easier to pull your changes, overwrite the voice-cmtspeech.c file with the copy containing all my changes and push that than to undo my local commit, merge yours, make all my changes again then commit it all | 23:56 |
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| freemangordon | I guess I should pull then? | 23:57 |
| jonwil | yes | 23:57 |
| jonwil | you should pull | 23:57 |
| freemangordon | ok | 23:57 |
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| jonwil | read my commit to see what changes I made :) | 23:58 |
| jonwil | I am still reverse engineering thread_func and friends so dont change that | 23:59 |
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