IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2015-11-15

Sicelomine are 800x48000:02
OksanaaBy the way, what program can perform 90 degrees rotation of png image? Photos prefers jpg, MyPaint doesn't do rotation...00:02
OksanaaHmm, then what's wrong with my desktop file?..00:03
Sicelothere's imagemagick for n90000:04
KotCzarnytissi, use gstreamer, it has dsp decoding00:04
Oksanaaimagemagick /shudders/ I do have it installed, but how to use it?..00:05
KotCzarnyoksanaa, there is huge manual for it, you know, google00:06
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DocScrutinizer05Oksanaa: I meant
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OksanaaYes, I noted, I am just that stubborn about choosing open-source...00:18
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ceeneOksana: convert -rotate 90 input.png output.png00:34
ceeneor infile mogrify -rotate 90 file.png00:34
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KotCzarnymy n900 hung during the night charge10:25
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KotCzarnygreen light, but not reacting to power button10:25
KotCzarnyoh, finally, after some time it reacted10:26
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donatello_whats the most embarassing thing that ever happened to your n900?11:01
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donatello_i dropped mine in the toilet bowl while having an explosive shit11:01
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ceeneso it seems WA lifts bans on numbers after ~60 days, i.e. 2 months13:04
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KotCzarnyso 60 accounts should get you through the devving13:04
ceeneassuming i only fuck it up once a day13:06
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donatello_hey, i just installed x11vnc on my n90013:54
donatello_accessing it from my laptop with viewer client13:54
donatello_one question comes to mind, is it somehow possible to use the remote desktop application while the device screen is in a locked state (the physical "lever" on the side of n900 having been used to lock the device and shut down the screen)13:55
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ceenei haven't been able13:59
ceenein fact, after a while without use, the screen goes off and so does the remote viewer13:59
ceenethere's a dbus call to unlock and power on the screen, but that's not ideal as the screen is on and wasting power14:00
Oksanaaceene: Thank you! /trying it out now/ donatello_ : making my n900 (with broken microusb) unable to boot, by filling up rootfs insanely, by trying to use it for on-device development14:00
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* Oksanaa waves in welcome14:02
donatello_well, that's a shame14:04
donatello_anyway, is it normal that mplayer crashes every time i try to use it to play a mp3 file14:05
donatello_i always get "MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module"14:05
KotCzarnywhat repo is this mplayer from?14:05
Oksanaawell, not for default media player at least. I do not use alternative media players much; default works, for mp3, ogg, flac, mod...14:06
OksanaaWhich module, by the way?14:08
KotCzarnyoksanaa, it has nothing to do with .mod files14:08
KotCzarnyjust an error message14:08
donatello_KotCzarny: extras14:08
donatello_well, i use my n900 as a music player for my stereos14:09
KotCzarnydonatello, wanna try something nice?14:10
donatello_i'd like to be able to control the functions through ssh14:10
infobotoscp is, like,
OksanaaI mean, if I google text of error, I get decode_video, demux_open, key_events, or whatever... I am taking a guess that module is important14:10
KotCzarnyyou would like it, and it has remote controls14:10
KotCzarny(and can be run with ncurses interface too)14:10
donatello_KotCzarny: thanks, i'll sure check that out14:11
donatello_installing atm14:13
KotCzarnybe sure to greb one from  extras-devel, its much newer14:13
donatello_KotCzarny: its great, i'm using it right now, digging the interface14:18
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ceeneKotCzarny: you should upload it to github or whatever14:18
KotCzarnyyou can use both ncurses interface and remote interface at the same time14:18
KotCzarnyie. if you have 2 n900, you can leave one by stereo and control from another n900 (or laptop/pc)14:19
KotCzarnyceene: getting there, still have to make proper building/configuration system14:19
ceeneno you don't :P14:20
ceeneyou first upload it14:20
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KotCzarnydonatello, if you find any issues/have any feature requests, be sure to post to the talk.maemo page above14:20
ceeneand maybe someone makes the build system for you14:20
KotCzarnyceene, what i would like is having native windows gui(remote)14:23
KotCzarnypygtk instalation is a cow14:23
KotCzarnybig cow14:23
ceenei can't help you there14:26
ceenei couldn't write a gui even if my life depended on it14:26
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ceenesome visual basic stuff or whatever they use now should be pretty easy, nonetheless14:27
ceeneor some java thing14:27
KotCzarnyassuming one owns vb/vc suite14:27
ceenenot that i like java14:27
KotCzarnyjava is a cow too (though would have a bonus of working almost everywhere)14:28
ceenei think visual studio is now free under certain circumtances?14:28
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ceeneoe some lite version of it14:28
ceeneand pyqt? is it lighter?14:29
KotCzarnyalso, i have shivers at the thought of writing qt/c++ code14:29
donatello_KotCzarny: i havent figured out how to turn up volume xP14:31
donatello_+ button on kbd doesnt seem to do anything14:31
KotCzarnydonatello, keys are configurable14:31
KotCzarnyalso, it uses software volume, so click on the traybar near the clock and set volume there14:32
KotCzarnylet me check ncurses volume keys14:32
* Oksanaa has written in HTML, XUL, JS, CSS, C++Qt, Qt-QML, GTK+C, some-small-python... GTK+C is the best14:32
KotCzarnyvolume keys are set to -/=14:33
KotCzarnybut you can change them in ~/.oscp.conf14:33
donatello_oh yeah found it14:34
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someuserhello, is it possible to ask someone to delete my profile? i don't have access to the account anymore because I deleted it a while ago, but my profile still shows up on
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KotCzarny~listkeys staff19:58
infobotFactoid search of 'staff' by key (7): weathercode longstaff blf ;; staff smite ;; cmd: staff (.*?) ;; weathercode longstaff bluff ;; mash_staff ;; ~staff #DEL# ;; weathercode flagstaff.19:58
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KotCzarny~listkeys web20:01
infobotFactoid search of 'web' by key (14 of 194): acc'd to the website, ibot's 'console' ;; cpanels web site ;; crl webcam ;; damn, apple's german webshop ;; open webmail ;; simple web server ;; snoweb ;; so its using viewml for web? do you know if anyone ;; web ;; web e-mail ;; web site ;; webaccountant ;; webalbum ;; webapp-reverse-proxy.20:01
KotCzarny~listkeys #maemo web20:02
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo web' by key returned no results.20:02
someuseri've tried emailing them but no reply20:03
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KotCzarnykeep in mind maemo is nonprofit i guess20:09
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MonkeyofDoomis there a way to stop headphone unplug events from reaching whichever daemon listens for those?22:33
KotCzarnyuse jack adapter?22:33
KotCzarny4 pin into 3 pin22:35
MonkeyofDoommy headphone jack is flaky, so afaik that wouldn't help22:35
MonkeyofDoomI was hoping to tell the software to just try its hardest to keep playing on headphones22:35
KotCzarnyglue it?22:35
KotCzarnyfix it?22:35
MonkeyofDoomthat would be ideal, yeah22:36
MonkeyofDoombut opening my n900 and mucking around is a little higher-stakes than poking at software... they're not exactly easy to come by in case I ruin something22:36
KotCzarnydepends on region, quite a lot of them going second hand here22:37
bencohI'd try dbus-monitor (or mdbus2? I never remember those)22:37
bencohto trace the dbus event22:37
KotCzarnythere is also /sys/ entry but i dont know if anything writes to it or is just gpio from the kernel22:38
MonkeyofDoomdbus-monitor shows volume changes on plug/unplug but that's it22:38
MonkeyofDoomtbh I wouldn't mind too much except there's some race condition that copies headphones volume to speaker volume or vice-versa22:38
KotCzarnyits more than that, it also reroutes audio22:39
KotCzarnymost of it happens in pulseaudio22:39
MonkeyofDoomrerouting audio is expected22:39
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klopsi amazing number of chatters still here :)23:03
klopsiWhat is a youtube player for maemo that still works?23:04
klopsimy repo only has cutetube23:05
klopsiam i missing a repo or is that hosted outside of repos?23:06
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klopsiah i am missing devel23:06
KotCzarnysad state of repos23:08
KotCzarnyinteresting summary of 'what's wrong with jolla/harmattan'23:09
klopsican you please trigger the bot to show repo list?23:10
bencohcutetube2 should probably go in -testing (at least)23:10
bencohI wonder what marxian thinks about that23:11
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-repos is
KotCzarnyno cutetube2 in -testing23:12
KotCzarnyi guess he gave up even before rewrite23:13
bencohKotCzarny: I know it's not their, I'm just saying it should be23:14
bencohas a maintainer you can "promote" a package to -testing23:15
KotCzarnyyes, i know you can promote, but -testing wasnt meant for end-users either23:16
KotCzarny-devel for devs, -testing for testers23:17
bencohsure, still that'd be better than -devel =)23:17
bencoh... I think we're running in circle23:18
KotCzarnyit could be just 2 repos23:18
KotCzarnyextras and -testing (or -devel, depending which name you like more)23:18
KotCzarnyone for users and one for testers/devs23:18
M4rtinKKotCzarny: wow, I'm getting kinda worried about Pichlos sanity23:19
bencohno, -testing and -devel do not fill the same need23:19
M4rtinKKotCzarny: that post is not making sense23:19
KotCzarnyM4rtinK: not at all? (i havent touched n9/jolla dev because i dont have them)23:19
bencoh"Lastly, QML is a resource hog" that's true23:20
KotCzarnybencoh: think about it this way: dev does code on his machine, builds package, tests it on his device (without going through repos). if he/she is satisfied, he uploads it for testing/promotion23:21
KotCzarnyso what is the point of -devel ?23:21
MonkeyofDoomtbh I never understood why Maemo has both GTK+ and Qt in the base--using one toolkit for everything would have been lighter on RAM and mmc usage23:22
M4rtinKhistorical reasons23:22
KotCzarnyMonkeyofDoom: n9 has no gtk (at least officially)23:22
KotCzarnybut people wanted apps to run, so they ported it to it23:22
MonkeyofDoomfair, I guess23:22
M4rtinKI mamanged to build GTK for the N9 back then ;-)23:22
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KotCzarnyand similar for n900, it had gtk, qt came later23:22
M4rtinKIIRC Nokia contributed to GTK/Gnome/Clutter quite a lot23:23
M4rtinKbut then they bought Qt and switched to it instead23:23
M4rtinKat first to mobile styled QWidgets23:23
bencohKotCzarny: problem is, dev (sometimes) tests through -devel23:24
klopsii dont see how to paste a youtube url into cutetube2 - is that possible?23:24
M4rtinKthen to QML once it came in Qt 4.723:24
bencohklopsi: yeah, with some dbus-fu23:24
M4rtinKbencoh: well, sometimes you don't have a choice other than the autobuilder for packaging23:24
bencohM4rtinK: exactly :)23:24
M4rtinKworking Maemo 5 SDK is hard to come by these days23:24
KotCzarnybencoh; key word 'sometimes'23:25
bencohand sometimes you just want to test everything, from packaging to deps23:25
KotCzarnybut still, -testing is for testers, not endusers23:25
KotCzarnyso people should run with -testing enabled all the time23:25
infobotKotCzarny meant: so people shouldnt run with -testing enabled all the time23:25
bencohI didnt say they should23:25
bencohI only said cutetube2 should probably go at leastthere23:26
bencoh23:10 < bencoh> cutetube2 should probably go in -testing (at least)23:26
KotCzarnyklopsi: vajb tried cutetube2 integration, and someone else, dont remember bencoh or sicelo23:26
KotCzarnyanyway, nite nite23:26
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klopsiah pasting links into cutetube2 search works23:27
klopsigreat program! it lets me choose resolution/quality23:28
bencohklopsi: really ?23:28
klopsiworked for me23:28
bencohKotCzarny: unfortunately it wasn't logged by infobot so I'll have to grab n900 to look for the dbus thing :)23:29
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DocScrutinizer05bencoh: hmm?23:45
DocScrutinizer05sorry I'm missing some context, due to some /ignore23:46
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: but chanlogs are on , see /topic23:47
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bencohDocScrutinizer05: yeah, it's just that the ones from infobot.rikers are google-indexed :)23:53
DocScrutinizer05hm, that's weird23:54
DocScrutinizer05I should ask TimRiker what's the deal with his robots.txt23:55
bencohthe search box on is a pain23:55
bencoh0 matches in 3297 log files with 5557701 lines (66.4 seconds).23:55
DocScrutinizer05indeed, I asked the maintainer to augment it to narrow search with a start and end date23:55
bencohgoogle is a tiny bit quicker (and usually gives an answer ;)23:56
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