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| KotCzarny | But I still use oscp daily and it's part of the reason I'm back using my n900. | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | what a beautiful comment for a coder | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | pity most of the n8x0 users don't browse tmo these days | 13:29 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, anyone played with fmtx ? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fahrplan fixed and in extras-testing. Please QA and vote | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | or in other words, is there a source for fmtx_client or any other way to enable/modify rds programatically (other than exec or system) | 20:16 |
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| totalizator | guys, I want to buy *new* N9; do you know any verified sellers from EU? | 20:28 |
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| KotCzarny | um, are you really sure you want n9? | 20:29 |
| KotCzarny | many people say bad things about harmattan | 20:29 |
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| totalizator | um, I don't but I'm sick of searching an Android phone that would suit me | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | learn droid sdk? | 20:30 |
| totalizator | and the main reason I'm still using N900 is the camera | 20:31 |
| Sicelo | camera? | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | i think you can shoot in RAWs with n900 | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:31 |
| totalizator | KotCzarny: nah, I just want a smarter phone as N900 is more and more like a feature phone for me | 20:32 |
| totalizator | Sicelo: the N900 camera quality is superb | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 20:32 |
| Sicelo | but i'm sure our 5MPix won't compare with other newer shooters (android...) | 20:33 |
| bencoh | Sicelo: actually ... | 20:33 |
| totalizator | yup, I have documented last few years of my life with it so I know what I'm saying :3 | 20:33 |
| bencoh | the ccd is noisy and the aperture is too small, but other "smart"phone have the aperture issue | 20:34 |
| Sicelo | nice to hear that. tbh i haven't used my camera so much (in the last 4 years) until recently :) | 20:34 |
| bencoh | they're a bit less noisy, have a higher resolution, and try to hide bad results with image processing | 20:34 |
| totalizator | hah, I'll try to prepare a small compilation of my best photos taken with N900 | 20:35 |
| Sicelo | so totalizator in what way is N900 a feature phone? what is it lacking? (asking, not because i disagree, but to understand ...) | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, used n9 goes for ~70eur | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | and new one for ~120eur | 20:36 |
| totalizator | almost all Internet features are dead for me | 20:36 |
| totalizator | using the browser is a pain | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | totalizator: internet streams are playable without a problem | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | (audio) | 20:37 |
| totalizator | apps are outdated or slllooow | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | and youtube is also supported in a way | 20:37 |
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| Sicelo | maybe you need to do your research properly .. N9 might just disappoint you as well | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | n9 has 1G of ram | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | so has a chamce to run webkit/firefox just fine | 20:39 |
| Sicelo | of course it has 4x ram. 2x faster processor too | 20:39 |
| Sicelo | do they have such browser in harmattan world? | 20:39 |
| totalizator | KotCzarny: media capabilities are more than OK but it's not whan I need from a phone on a daily basis - I want to check bus timetable, instantly find a route using maps etc. | 20:40 |
| totalizator | I want to try N9 mainly because it's quite cheap nowadays | 20:41 |
| totalizator | but it's hard to find a new one and many are fake chinese replicas | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, forum.meego.com is down? | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=18&faq=9 | 20:42 |
| Sicelo | i love its hardware. very very nice (sans hwkbd) | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, someone built it and ran | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | but fennec was abandoned long time ago | 20:43 |
| Sicelo | totalizator: maybe you'll have better luck with used N9 then? | 20:44 |
| totalizator | contrary - I'm concidering things like Sony Z3 Compact and Iuni I3 | 20:45 |
| Sicelo | :) | 20:46 |
| totalizator | Sicelo: seems like there is no other option | 20:46 |
| totalizator | lel, I know | 20:46 |
| Sicelo | best wishes | 20:47 |
| totalizator | Iuni I3 is less than 200€ but I have heard it has no Google Play by default Q__Q | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | totalizator: are you going to sell n900 cheaply? | 20:48 |
| totalizator | KotCzarny: NEVER | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:48 |
| totalizator | :3 | 20:48 |
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| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90537 | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | this one looks interesting | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if anyone backported it to n900 | 20:49 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1417776&postcount=172 | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | ['] | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | still, could be newer/faster than fennec | 20:51 |
| totalizator | Sicelo: "best wishes" - please elaborate on this | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | totalizator: i think he thought that you are gonna sell n900 | 20:51 |
| Sicelo | nothing more totalizator. just hope you find something to suit your needs, whether it be N9 or some Droid | 20:51 |
| totalizator | KotCzarny: Sicelo: oh | 20:52 |
| totalizator | btw - I have lost faith when it comes to better, faster N900 web browser - impossible Q__Q | 20:53 |
| Sicelo | nah, haha. i know totalizator has been a long time user of N900. selling would be sacrilege ;) | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | totalizator, i think main showstopper is memory size | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | and most of it eaten by os | 20:53 |
| totalizator | KotCzarny: ++ | 20:54 |
| totalizator | Sicelo: sometimes, during a panic attacks I'm looking for a spare N900 to buy ;) | 20:54 |
| * ecc3g also looks for a spare n900 after buying an android phone...and is totally disappointed. | 20:55 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | i'm looking for a spare n900 for .. science and stuff ;) | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | gonna hack it hard when i get around it | 20:55 |
| ecc3g | i hate android, i thought i could try to acclimate to it but every moment I use it, I get more and more pissed at it | 20:55 |
| totalizator | android phones are like a lesser evil - a tools, nothing more | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85191 | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:56 |
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| KotCzarny | anyone tried alopex? | 20:56 |
| * ecc3g got an Asus Zenfone2 (4GB RAM, 64GB eMMC, 2.3GHz..., alas completely soured by android... can't use it.) | 20:57 | |
| KotCzarny | acc3g: write your own apps? | 20:58 |
| ecc3g | so sad... | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | it's not that hard | 20:58 |
| ecc3g | need to replace the whole OS | 20:58 |
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| ecc3g | I do wonder how hard it is to replace the whole OS... powervr is a problem, but dunno about the baseband processor | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | ecc3g, with closed pieces, hard | 21:01 |
| ecc3g | well... that's the question, I dont know how closed the baseband is. powervr is definitely a problem | 21:02 |
| ecc3g | but the kernel module is floating around | 21:02 |
| Sicelo | bootloader hackable or open? | 21:03 |
| ecc3g | someone apparently hacked it already | 21:03 |
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| ecc3g | no idea for sure. pretty sure it's some UEFI though. | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | ah .. if you're able to boot something else, then the device starts to look very attractive ;) | 21:05 |
| Sicelo | i had wished somebody would do that with Nokia's N1 tablet | 21:05 |
| ecc3g | yes it's good hardware, just bad sofware :( | 21:05 |
| ecc3g | (someone ran windows7 on the phone, but it wasn't clear how it was running. looked like VM on the phone which isn't as interesting) | 21:06 |
| Sicelo | yes .. i see someone with Ubuntu chroot on XDA as well | 21:07 |
| ecc3g | if i could run gentoo on this phone and still have 4g and "phone" capability, that would be great. | 21:07 |
| Sicelo | N900 .. N900 ... N900 | 21:07 |
| Sicelo | haha | 21:07 |
| ecc3g | yeah | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, midori supports html5+css3 | 21:08 |
| ecc3g | it's still my preferred phone because of software | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Sicelo> of course it has 4x ram. 2x faster processor too)) just like Neo900 ;-D | 21:17 |
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| Vajb | yo im back \o | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:21 |
| Vajb | got few new problems with phone | 21:22 |
| Vajb | now when i took more pictures than usually i noticed that after few pics camera just freezes when it should show taken picture and i have to kill it manually and picture is of course lost | 21:23 |
| Vajb | is there way to get some debug stuff or this is known problem? | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | dmesg? | 21:24 |
| Vajb | it is easy to reproduce. Just take less than ten pictures and it freezes | 21:24 |
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| KotCzarny | monitor free space? | 21:24 |
| Vajb | umm just to run dmesg when it hangs? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's sort of seen-before problem nobody really was able to tackle so far | 21:25 |
| Vajb | 3,36gb | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly related to some closed blob driver | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | another trick would be running camera app from terminal | 21:25 |
| Vajb | i have camera-ui2 i think | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | uninstall and try stock? | 21:25 |
| Vajb | just one time i had to do killall camera-ui to get it back working | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, some assume nicocam would be the culprit, however freemangordon had a very sound argument why it couldn't be related | 21:26 |
| Vajb | when i just ran camera-ui from terminal it didn't take picture. Camera ran, but just didn't shoot | 21:27 |
| Vajb | hmm maybe i try stock. Been thinking of reflash since i read about doc's never ever do apt upgrade on device... | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:28 |
| Vajb | thinking that there might lay some problem | 21:28 |
| Vajb | because camera-ui2 is now part of cssu, right? So it should be stable as table | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | camera-ui2 became part of CSSU-T before I was able to argue against it | 21:30 |
| Vajb | tho i like new camera-ui more than stock | 21:30 |
| Vajb | i see | 21:30 |
| Vajb | damn, just realised that i have my other phone laying around useless. Will try if i can reproduce it there | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in fact it's not thoroughtly tested (at least in my book) and for sure not needed to fix any bug or implement a *needed* feature. So it's basically just forcefeeding to user a app *somebody* considers the better choice between equivalent alternatives. And that's not what CSSU is supposed to do, rather the contrary | 21:31 |
| Vajb | well i don't see any problem with new features :) | 21:32 |
| Vajb | unless they don't bring any problems that is | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see problems with QA and maintenance of new apps | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I the heck don't want to get forcefed with new apps when I rather prefer keeping the old stock version | 21:33 |
| Vajb | that reminded me of other thing. Last week there was some guy promising to ask for sources. How did it go or no info yet? | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | camera-ui2 *clearly* is _optional_ and *not* _mandatory_ | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not really wondering what been the result of this effort | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 21:35 |
| Vajb | yes, you have valid point there | 21:35 |
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| Vajb | so better would be to give it as option if one wants | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly | 21:35 |
| Vajb | like is case with open media player. As far as i know | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or with firefox instead of ms crap in windows as default browser | 21:36 |
| Vajb | oh yeah and one other thing. Yappari crashes from time to time | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have an option "make firefox default" | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why not an option "make camera-ui2 default" ? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there is ZILCH reason to forcefeed it to CSSU users | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | features? | 21:38 |
| Vajb | im not sure how to reproduce it, but i _feel_ like it happens when i close yapparis window when it's in minimized mode (swithing between apps) | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and please don't tell me you don't know how to implement that, dear maintainers ;-) | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually swapping default camera is baby simple | 21:39 |
| Vajb | but it puts users in awkward position. They have think wether they need it or not ;-) | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is what whole maemo is all about | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just Nokia fscked it up | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cherry | 21:40 |
| infobot | [cherry] http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this mindset... :-.( | 21:41 |
| Vajb | ah i thing cherry was first thing i purged after flash | 21:41 |
| Vajb | think* | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that you actually _could_ purge it is courtesy maemo general design principles | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on Android you need cyanogen mod to purge such stuff | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | with updated meta package, yes | 21:43 |
| Vajb | i would love to purge some stuff from my gf's xcover2, but can't be arsed | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | vajb, with root on droid you can | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | simply removing apks from /sys/app etc | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever was the path | 21:44 |
| Vajb | it's limited to 1gb filesystem wether you have sd card or not | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | symlinks | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:44 |
| Vajb | im sure it's not that hard, but like i said "can't be arsed" :-) | 21:45 |
| Vajb | she didn't cope with maemo so let her suffer mwahahah | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my gf urgently wants a Neo900 - quite amazing. I guess I have to hand her a N900 first ;-) | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh she's already lost on standard Luser usage patterns on android phone. So... hmmm | 21:47 |
| Vajb | yeah that's how it goes... | 21:48 |
| Vajb | heh, guess im hooked. Because while on vacation i looked all stores which sold used phones, but couldn't find any n900 | 21:49 |
| Vajb | saw one jolla, but was too expensive for used phone imo | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you want to order one from Neo900 UG? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, nevermind | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to engage in selling N900s | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | i would like one or more n900s | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I know I could sell a few. But the overhead doesn't make up for the margin I could make on them | 21:51 |
| Vajb | what is eta for neo900? | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they cost me >100EUR plus taxes plus handling plus shipping etc | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: so far 1st quarter of 2016 | 21:52 |
| Vajb | oh | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((cost me)) for pretty much mint condition, but anyway | 21:53 |
| Vajb | so it's finally happening | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, did you think it's vaporware? ;-D | 21:53 |
| Vajb | not familiar with the term, but i thought it'll take few years still | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | times getting tougher, demand for a device built with owner's security and privacy in mind is higher than ever before | 21:54 |
| Vajb | speaking of security. Does someone do online banking on n900? | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I occasionally did, indeed | 21:56 |
| kerio | Vajb: ayy lmao | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | um | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | online banking requires working js/java | 21:56 |
| kerio | you have to harden microb a little | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | often | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but really only when in a pinch | 21:56 |
| kerio | javascript and java are WILDLY different | 21:56 |
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| KotCzarny | kerio: they usually need both | 21:56 |
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| kerio | KotCzarny: no they don't | 21:56 |
| kerio | because the iphone exists | 21:57 |
| Vajb | yeah my bank uses jave and i haven't got courage to even try it | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: my bank doesn't need any weird js crap for online banking | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | personal banking usually doesnt require java signing applets | 21:57 |
| Vajb | java* | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | but js is almost a must | 21:57 |
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| kerio | microb is getting a bit outdated in that regard, yeah | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's based on https, PIN, and iTANs | 21:58 |
| kerio | fennec 17 is recent enough | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 21:58 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you're forgetting the most important factor | 21:58 |
| kerio | insurance | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could do online banking with... wget | 21:58 |
| Vajb | microb hang when i tried to view local news site with it... | 21:59 |
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| kerio | it's a damn shame that they dropped support for the maemo ui in more recent firefoxen :( | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | as for security, apart from broken certs, n900 is quite safe (because its obscurity) | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, those are so terribly JS infested, even my PC browser throws up on them | 21:59 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: the fuck it is | 21:59 |
| kerio | poodle and logjam | 21:59 |
| kerio | disabling ssl3 helps | 22:00 |
| kerio | and also disabling the most problematic ciphers | 22:00 |
| Vajb | yet another "bug" in opera also | 22:01 |
| Vajb | when wifi requires authentication it crashes | 22:02 |
| Vajb | so i had to authenticate with microb first and then i could browse with opera | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: to spoof some transaction, they would need a MITM attack on N900, or design a highly customized trojan that actually works in maemo / microB to fake the website content | 22:02 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you willing to say that our ancient NSS doesn't have any security issues? | 22:03 |
| kerio | let alone the rest of the browser | 22:03 |
| kerio | for crying out loud, it doesn't even *warn* you of mixed active content | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using konqueror becuase of that on my PC and I guess they won't bother to write a trojan for that one. On N900 I'm probably even more safe | 22:03 |
| kerio | they won't write a trojan for your browser | 22:04 |
| kerio | they'll write a fairly generic xss exploit for /your bank/ | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | usually weakest link is luser clicking on unsafe links | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: and how would they trick me into loading it? | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, xss is a thing | 22:04 |
| kerio | they'll serve it from some compromised website | 22:04 |
| kerio | usually as an ad | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only when I do web browsing | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don'zt | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting | 22:05 |
| kerio | cool, microb is the safest web browser ever | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, when I want to do online banking, I open up microB, go straight to my online banking URL, do my thing, and then I close browser again | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (btw I do same on my PC. Just there I might have other instances of webbrowser running concurrently - not so on N900) | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's very basic precaustion measures when doing sensitive stuff: don't open multiple concurrent web pages. Use a freshly opened browser instance. Go *directly* to the https: URL you want to go to | 22:08 |
| totalizator | I can't stop thinking - what about Jolla? any discount codes working right now? | 22:08 |
| totalizator | what would be the lowest price I could get it for? | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if those precautions are sufficient to defeat the usual non-persistent (aka trojan) attacks. But the help a lot anyway | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/non-// | 22:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: I dunno if those precautions are sufficient to defeat the usual persistent (aka trojan) attacks. But the help a lot anyway | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err nevermind | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/trojan/non-trojan/ was what I meant | 22:13 |
| Vajb | meh my reliable gprs... | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for trojans I hope for maemo /microB being a too marginal ancient arcane target | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, security by obscurity | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless you probably shouldn't do online banking from your mobile device on a regular basis, unless it's specially hardened | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | or use token card | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even then, it depends on type of card | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | scratch type | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | scratch'n'sniff | 22:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Vajb: you tried qml-browser? | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the type where you either input (via sort of kbd) the amount and destination account number, or it reads that stuff from display and shows it to you on a display so you can compare, is considered secure | 22:18 |
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| Vajb | i think i tried, but can't remember why i didn't like it | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reads it from phone/PC moni display | 22:19 |
| Vajb | reading through xss wiki... interesting stuff | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | doc: or when you enter account nr then on the next page it's displayed and asks for token | 22:22 |
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| totalizator | so, no Jolla discount codes right now? meh | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting#Exploit_examples is the typical XSS attack vector which with my online banking would only work if my bank was stupid enough to add such vulnerability to their site, or *I* was so stupid to proceed to my online banking site from another website which injected the trojan into mircoB | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, even worse: I'd receive a mail on my N900 (which I generally quit to do at all) with a fake email claiming it's from my bank and advising me to click the URL below to proceed to my online banking | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, luser is the weakest link | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | (which also means running vulnerable os (windoze, he he)) | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simple effective rules: #- *always* use a freshly opened browser instance to go to your online banking (NO Google startpage!!!) #- *diectly* enter the HTTPS-URL of your online banking (or rely on your known-good bookmarks, but *check them* nevertheless) #- do *NEVER* open a new tab in parallel to your online banking | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | or just use operation authentication method which is independent of internet | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's orthogonal | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | safe enough usually | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's another way to block worst doom, however you might disclose details you better shouldn't disclose if you don't follow the very simple 3 points above | 22:40 |
| Vajb | so even google startpage is bad? | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | dns hacks | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even when an attacker exploiting XSS couldn't instantly fake a transaction when you use such auth card, they still can read all private details you see when you access your online banking | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: definitely | 22:41 |
| Vajb | so one should use empty startpage? | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | use local html page if you must | 22:41 |
| Vajb | i see | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | quick tip: in firefox entering: g something | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | googles for something | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | (or whatever search engine you have selected) | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: later on same attacker could use that info to do some phone banking for example | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | my phone banking uses the same scratch card tokens | 22:43 |
| Vajb | yes i know | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | building cmake 2.8.12 in scratchbox, so far so good, weird no one compiled it earlier | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | 2.6 from extras-devel is old | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | most stuff requires 2.8.something | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: whatever, suggesting to forget about reasonable precaution measures since you hope your scratch card is safe enough is quite silly | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | doc, i'm not suggesting that, just saying it's quite nice ADDITIONAL security | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's true | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | two-channel auth | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike silly paypal, all decent German banks use some form of TAN to secure transactions | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is similar to your scratchcard I guess | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_authentication_number#Indexed_TAN_.28iTAN.29 | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | note that "Mobile TAN (mTAN)" is a *very* bad idea on smartphones | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | two channel | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same channel | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 22:50 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-injection/ | 23:58 |
| kerio | you're protected if you're connecting directly to https, but still | 23:58 |
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