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| Sicelo | landscape you mean? :) | 00:03 |
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| Sicelo | anyway, with forced rotation looks like pidgin is pretty usable .. if only the portrait keyboard was very useable too :) | 00:13 |
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| stryngs | To those who might have been offended by the unmasking a couple days ago; sorry about that. Things spun out of control somewhat. Won't do it on the freenode again. | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, portrait I meant, for pidgin | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stryngs: huh? | 01:17 |
| Pali | hi, do you have any experiences with assigning CVE numbers? | 01:17 |
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| Pali | per http://www.debian.org/security/faq#discover and http://www.debian.org/security/faq#cveget debian security team can verify and coordinate security problems across distributions | 01:19 |
| stryngs | Heh | 01:21 |
| stryngs | Funny u mention that pali | 01:21 |
| stryngs | I'm going to be publicly disclosing something CVE worthy here soon | 01:21 |
| Pali | I sent email to debian security team, so will see what happens... | 01:22 |
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| stryngs | For what Pali? | 01:23 |
| bencoh | Pali: maybe sunweaver is | 01:24 |
| bencoh | (or rather has* experience) | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: (blacklist) it's still a pity that those lists are actually single line keys in transitions.ini - this makes it almost impossible to handle stuff correctly and conveniently from apt/dpkg. It should be a single file (with the pathname of that file in maybe transitions.ini key blacklistfile=<full path name> and whitelistfile=<full path name>), and in that files there should be single line keys of (at least) two types: app=<appname>; | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (windowtitle-or-whatever=<whatever>;) and(!) includefile=<full pathname to a file to include, or even shell pattern wildcards> | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this way you could specify in transitions: blacklistfile=/etc/rotation-blacklist-root.cfg | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and in /etc/rotation-blacklist-root.cfg you specify includefile=/etc/rotation.d/*.cfg | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and in /etc/rotation.d/ every app installs its own <appname>.cfg with content app=<appname> | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and a very simple config 'wizard' could rename foobar.cfg to foobar.cfg.disabled and vice versa, or even move the file from blacklist to whitelist, easily create new *.cfg files for arbitrary apps etc | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and probably the keys, instead of app=<appname> should look like X-MAEMO-ROTATION=<allow|by-app|portrait|landscape>, and any other stuff being ignored. This way you could define includefile=/usr/share/apps/hildon/*.desktop. Of course multiple includefile keys should be allowed | 02:14 |
| bencoh | well ... from I gathered, the force-rotation "feature" was only meant as a workaround and applications were to be fixed | 02:16 |
| bencoh | (for those that could be fixed) | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some can't get fixed | 02:16 |
| bencoh | yeah | 02:17 |
| bencoh | but those are mostly closed source, meaning either stock/nokia, or ovi | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or third party | 02:17 |
| bencoh | yeah ovi/3rd-party | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, doesn't make much of a difference | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the fixed apps you use X-MAEMO-ROTATION=by-app, which is also the default when no config for that app is existing in black/white-listing | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the rest ships a .desktop file with either of X-MAEMO-ROTATION=<allow|portrait|landscape> in it. Or a similar file for /etc/rotation.d/* | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the implementation is prolly rather simple - just a few dozen lines of code | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | blacklistfile= and whitelistfile= are basically redundant then, could get unified to listfile=, and they are only valid during (and the only valid keys in} initial parsing of transitions.ini. They (it) could point to whatever file you like, even transitions.ini itself which causes a second parsing pass of transitions.ini in which those listfile= key gets ignored and only the includefile= and X-MAEMO-ROTATION= keys are searched for. | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | each includefile= simply calls same parsing function recursively with the new file parameter | 02:35 |
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| antranigv | anyone has freepascalcompiler and/or Lazarus IDE installed on their n900? I wonder if you guys can send me the package, so I won't install/compile everything from zero, just the binaries, and the libs, and the tools, etc. (: | 03:09 |
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| Wizzup | antranigv: nor on my n900, no | 03:26 |
| Wizzup | but I have arm versions of the compiler | 03:26 |
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| antranigv | Wizzup: can I get it somehow? | 04:20 |
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| Wizzup | antranigv: hm, I guess, but I doubt it will work on maemo | 08:42 |
| Wizzup | different glibc versions, etc | 08:43 |
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| lolcat | Hello | 13:45 |
| lolcat | what is the chanel with phone people? | 13:46 |
| Sicelo | huh? | 13:46 |
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| bencoh | phone people ? | 13:49 |
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| Sicelo | he wanted to say bencoh is a phone person, hehe | 14:16 |
| Sicelo | d | 14:17 |
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| antranigv | I see | 14:44 |
| antranigv | um, any nice tutorial to compile fpc on scratchbox? | 14:44 |
| bencoh | read the wiki about porting debian packages | 14:48 |
| bencoh | grab lenny's package, and try building it | 14:48 |
| antranigv | oh, didn't know there is a wiki page for that... | 14:48 |
| antranigv | - I want to... - yes, there is a wiki page for that :P (c) maemo community | 14:49 |
| bencoh | you might even try to grab a more recent version, since fpc shouldnt have too many deps | 14:49 |
| antranigv | it doesn't have any, usually. | 14:49 |
| bencoh | then grab latest from debian | 14:50 |
| bencoh | but you'll have to work on the control and rules files | 14:50 |
| antranigv | what about compiling it from source? | 14:50 |
| bencoh | that's possible as well, but ... meh :) | 14:50 |
| bencoh | build a package if you can | 14:51 |
| antranigv | and then add it to extras-devel? | 14:51 |
| bencoh | that's the idea :-) | 14:51 |
| antranigv | I still don't know how to use scratchbox, lol | 14:55 |
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| bencoh | antranigv: there is a wiki page for that as well :D | 14:57 |
| bencoh | once the env is "started" it's just like a regular native system | 14:58 |
| bencoh | (well, almost) | 14:58 |
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| antranigv | well, to have fpc on n900, fist I neeed to compile it on my x64, then to compile again on the n900, but the maemo sdk does not have a terminal in it :/ | 15:28 |
| bencoh | ? | 15:29 |
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| * antranigv still has much to learn... | 15:31 | |
| antranigv | let me read more stuff first :))) | 15:31 |
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| nwolf900 | hi guys, I'm new to maemo, does anyone know why gTranslate keeps giving 'please enter valid text'? I've been googling it - nothing so far, stops at 'it is fixed' sometime in 2010 and nothing on it eversince... aren't there art least some working alternatives to it? thx in advance | 15:51 |
| bencoh | apparently it stopped working a few weeks ago | 15:52 |
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| antranigv | maybe the problem is from google? | 15:53 |
| bencoh | iirc it receives a captcha to solve | 15:54 |
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| nwolf900_ | confirmed, thx! do you think I should try to contact the author? | 16:05 |
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| bencoh | hmm you could try that but it looks like there's already an old pending maintainer request, so ... | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lolcat: what exactly are those "phone people" you want to meet? | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, which phone specifically? | 18:48 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: xda people, the smart ones. Huawei Ascend Y-530 | 18:48 |
| Sicelo | looks like we have the dumb ones here | 18:50 |
| Sicelo | haha | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | antranigv: no, you cross-compile on scratchbox (X86) for maemo (ARM) | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lolcat: /msg alis help | 18:51 |
| bencoh | lolcat: most of us here are maemo users, so ... | 18:51 |
| lolcat | Sicelo: Not really, but sadly I dont have a N900 anymore and they dont make them like that anymore | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, "they" only offer Neo900 now (for preorder, if you want one around end of year or next year's 1st quarter) | 18:52 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: Neo900? Oo | 18:52 |
| bencoh | you can buy a second-hand meanwhile ... there are some to sell around | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /join #neo900 | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org | 18:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 shouldn't do such shameless advertising | 18:54 | |
| kerio | it's not like there's much else going on, anyway | 18:54 |
| kerio | and it was relevant to the discussion | 18:54 |
| Sicelo | ~oscp | 18:54 |
| infobot | rumour has it, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 18:55 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: Uhm, the price of that thing is obscene | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, alas not much we can do about that | 18:56 |
| lolcat | what are the specs? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, TI built the Zoom-II with similar specs and they built it with their own chips and in qty of nE4 and they still were more expensive than we are | 18:58 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: also, what does it mean with debian/GNU Linux, not maemo? | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/specs | 18:58 |
| kerio | lolcat: it's a BSP | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/faq#os | 18:59 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: but the oneplusone has sapphire and costs far less, the proposed ubuntu phone costed two thirds and had considerably better specs | 18:59 |
| kerio | an install of debian with enough drivers to test the hardware, pretty much | 18:59 |
| kerio | lolcat: those won't run maemo fremantle | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and did ubuntu phone happen? | 18:59 |
| lolcat | to test? does it have the Maemo windows and gui? can it do everything that maemo does? | 18:59 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: no, it cost too much | 18:59 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: it did ... didnt it? | 18:59 |
| bencoh | (unless I missed something) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, they tried to gather a bazillion preorders and STILL they were friggin expensive | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're trying to build a 500 devices | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's like the difference between a phot wallpaper and a real artist creating a painting on your wall | 19:01 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: but they had sapphire glass. I am willing to pay like €160 euro extra for sapphire glass | 19:01 |
| kerio | sapphire glass won't work well with a stylus | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter. We can't do that. And we don't even want crappy capacitive glass touchscreen | 19:01 |
| lolcat | why can't you? | 19:02 |
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| kerio | because the screens come from n900s | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please could somebody take over? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks! | 19:02 |
| kerio | lolcat: the NeoN board is just a board | 19:03 |
| kerio | pretty much everything else will come from a nokia n900 | 19:03 |
| lolcat | kerio: does it support ant+? | 19:03 |
| kerio | wtf is ant+ | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: yes, finally Shuttle-worth-it(?) remembered he has enough in his kitty to do such project without crowdfunding, after that crowdfunding failed, iirc | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lolcat: yes, ANT and iirc ANT+ are supported | 19:04 |
| kerio | is that some NFC crap | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wireless stuff around BT | 19:04 |
| kerio | oh, bluetooth | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or WLAN | 19:05 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: it is neither bluetooth or wlan | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall right now | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | comes with module | 19:05 |
| lolcat | ant+ is the garmin sensor wireless tech | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the what? | 19:05 |
| lolcat | it is the wireless tech used by garmin sensors | 19:06 |
| lolcat | ant+ is owned by garmin | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know what's a "garmin sensor" | 19:06 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: pulse belt, garmin tempe (temperature sensor), garmin fotpod (obvious what this is), cadence sensor, power sensor, speed sensor and what not | 19:06 |
| bencoh | "proprietary (but open access)" hmm | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.thisisant.com/developer/ant-plus/ant-ble-comparison | 19:07 |
| lolcat | bencoh: garmin uses both private and open access ant+ | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it IS BLE | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's not 2owned by Garmin" | 19:07 |
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| lolcat | does it support NFC? | 19:08 |
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| kerio | lolcat: if only there was a website where all these things you're asking were listed | 19:08 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: looks like it's not BLE | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not BLE exactly but handled by BT module | 19:09 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: oh and ... does it have BLE, btw ? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bd | 19:09 |
| infobot | bd is probably Bangladesh | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#neo900 bd | 19:09 |
| infobot | somebody said #neo900 bd was http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html the very fine and detailled Block Diagram, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1445200#post1445200 | 19:09 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: So you will not add VAT to send it to Norway? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we will add where we have to, which is a detail my tax advisor will have to work out | 19:10 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: So is the 990 euro for just the board or a complete unit? | 19:10 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: riiight I can always read th specs ... :] | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recently european VAT regulations are in the changing | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lolcat: NeoN bare board. Add a 130 for a complete N900 we source for you and upgrade it | 19:11 |
| lolcat | I am pretty sure you get two N900 for 130, do you replace the battery? How is battery life on the NeoN? can I buy jut the materials for €470? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: http://www.jorjin.com.tw/#!wg7351-00/c1dnh | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lolcat: bencoh: http://media.wix.com/ugd/0482ec_d0c9cc1f767ce75edb5d1d28cfe786af.pdf 2.2.4. ANT Features ................................................................................................... 7 | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Fully compliant with all ANT Protocols:" | 19:13 |
| bencoh | nice, thx | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> ANT provides immediate access to the millions of ANT+ sensors already in the market and an ongoing option for cost and power optimized sensors<< | 19:14 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: are you saying I can connect ant+ sensors to my phone or use my ant+ dongle as a bluetooth dongle? | 19:14 |
| lolcat | also, at that price, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a dozen N900s or six N900s and a oneplusone 2 or six n900s and a light laptop? | 19:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 afk | 19:16 | |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: why not use high end stuff, like 4gb ram and 64gb storage? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#neo900 bd | 19:17 |
| infobot | #neo900 bd is probably http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html the very fine and detailled Block Diagram, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1445200#post1445200 | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2015/08/23/plasma-desktopso1947.png | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/specs | 19:18 |
| kerio | lolcat: omap3 can't do 4gb of ram | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cost difference between 32GB and 64GB is ~40 bucks which we nevertheless added (and made for the higher price) since we *want* to go for specs as good as feasible | 19:19 |
| kerio | 64gb of storage... eh, it has 32 already, and there's a µsd slot | 19:19 |
| kerio | oh, it does have 64? neat | 19:19 |
| bencoh | and yeah, the real bottleneck here is "omap3" | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [jolla] >> The tablet comes with two memory options 32GB and 64GB, and the pre-order prices are 267 € and 299 € respectively. << So their difference between 32 and 64 GB eMMC is 32€ | 19:20 |
| lolcat | bencoh: cant we use omap4? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omap4 is broken by design | 19:21 |
| kerio | omap5! | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...will be the processor on STEP2, when community learned how to port fremantle | 19:22 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer05: omap5 then? | 19:22 |
| kerio | lolcat: omap5 won't run fremantle | 19:22 |
| lolcat | what is fremantle? | 19:22 |
| kerio | at least, not immediately | 19:22 |
| kerio | the maemo that runs on the n900 | 19:22 |
| bencoh | kerio: actually we dont know about that | 19:22 |
| bencoh | all we know is "some stuff migt break" | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 19:23 |
| lolcat | kerio: why not call it maemo5? | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we also know we wouldn't fit omap5 into N900 | 19:23 |
| kerio | who the fuck knows what maemo 5 is | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or it would get even thicker | 19:23 |
| lolcat | omap5 is fatter than the n900? | 19:23 |
| bencoh | kerio: everyone who owns or owned a n900 ? :D | 19:23 |
| kerio | bencoh: same goes for fremantle, really | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fremantle | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues fremantle | 19:25 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'fremantle' by value (11): truecrypt ;; n900 #DEL# ;; infobot #maemo getversion ;; #maemo repos ;; bluetooth-profiles ;; #maemo closed ;; fptf ;; #maemo getversion ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; pr1.3 ;; pr1.3sdk. | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget infobot #maemo getversion | 19:25 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot infobot #maemo getversion | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf | 19:26 |
| infobot | it has been said that fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~getversion | 19:26 |
| infobot | somebody said getversion was input the following in a terminal: osso-product-info | grep OSSO_VERSION | cut -d "'" -f 2; dpkg-query -W -f='${Version} ' mp-fremantle-community-pr; uname -r | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.3sdk | 19:27 |
| infobot | it has been said that pr1.3sdk is http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys pr1. | 19:28 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'pr1.' by key (15): #harmattan pr1.2 ;; pr1.1 ;; pr1.2 ;; ~pr1.1.1 #DEL# ;; pr1.2 #DEL# ;; pr1.3.3.7 ;; pr1.3 #DEL# ;; pr1.3 ;; pr1.5 ;; pr1.4 ;; pr1.1.1 ;; pr1.3sdk ;; pr1.3.1 ;; pr1.6 ;; pr1.5 #DEL#. | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lolcat: anyway when you want to discuss Neo900 details, you rather should /join #neo900 | 19:32 |
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| richy | cio | 20:56 |
| richy | ciao | 20:56 |
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| KotCzarny | fricking asps | 21:13 |
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| Sicelo | what's a good game for N900 which i can try? something with nice 3d graphics :) | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | ummm | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | n-speed ? | 21:59 |
| * Sicelo checks it out | 22:00 | |
| KotCzarny | not too good graphics though | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | http://theunlockr.com/2010/03/18/top-20-free-games-on-the-nokia-n900/ | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | prboom | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:02 |
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| Sicelo | i am looking at its youtube video .. yes .. the graphics .. eew | 22:03 |
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| Sicelo | i am not a gamer anyway .. would have been nice to have some really nice games on N900 | 22:05 |
| * Sicelo has two Nokia N-Gage Classics (one dead though) | 22:05 | |
| KotCzarny | if you like puzzles search for gnurobbo | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | (little atari classic) | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | another nice one is hex-a-hop | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | and 'puzzles' for classic board puzzles | 22:06 |
| Sicelo | i want something that's "live" ... e.g. racing. not into shooters, but would play if the graphics are great | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | i guess you should look into emulated games | 22:07 |
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| KotCzarny | they are commercial quality | 22:08 |
| Sicelo | you're right .. i've never used emulators .. although it does seem N900 has some good emulators | 22:09 |
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| bencoh | it does | 22:12 |
| Sicelo | so maybe i should ask .. what are the nicest/most detailed/coolest racing games which N900 can emulate? :) | 22:19 |
| Sicelo | which are also hopefully not too difficult to get | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | as usual with emus, you have to pirate it | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | unless you have original cartridges/discs | 22:20 |
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| bencoh | anyway ... Playstation games are ... 20yo ? :)) | 22:23 |
| bencoh | a bit less for the latest | 22:23 |
| Sicelo | umm .. 20yo means? | 22:23 |
| bencoh | 20 years old | 22:23 |
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| KotCzarny | bencoh: n900's screen is small | 22:25 |
| bencoh | ? | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | and in racing games you dont have time to focus on details | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | unless you want to look at paused screens and dont care about playability | 22:26 |
| bencoh | and why are you telling me this all of a sudden? :) | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | thought that argument about games being old was kind of 'old and dusty' | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: N-Gage had even smaller screen .. it was still nice to play | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: i've used n-gage more like a phone/smart-phone than gaming console | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | it had very nice implementation of tetris tho | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | and worms | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | i did both. actually it's the N-Gage which introduced me to smartphones .. i had been using S40 before it | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | it could have been grand | 22:29 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: no, it was about "pirating" 20yo games :-) | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | pity they did few design flops | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: ;) | 22:30 |
| Sicelo | i particularly enjoyed the Asphalt games, as well as Collin McRae | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | maybe there is s60 emu for n900? | 22:30 |
| Sicelo | nope | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | and for plain linux? hint hint | 22:31 |
| Sicelo | i will check .. doubt though. Symbian was something else | 22:32 |
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| bencoh | looks like some xda guys want it as well ^ ^ | 22:33 |
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| Sicelo | want a symbian emu? | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | https://blogs.oracle.com/kharezlak/entry/new_nokia_s60_touch_enabled | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 22:37 |
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| KotCzarny | s60 is java? | 22:37 |
| bencoh | Sicelo: yeah | 22:38 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: probably | 22:38 |
| Sicelo | no | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | s60 is C++ | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | biggest problem -- memory management .. that's where the learning curve was | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | symbian was a glorified version of the original OS on the Psion devices | 22:40 |
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| KotCzarny | i think s60 emu is blind alley | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | nothing significant on google | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | oh well, sleepy time | 22:45 |
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