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| zGrr | moin :) | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | oink | 14:19 |
| zGrr | KotCzarny: cześć | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr: siemka | 14:19 |
| antranigv | games for N900, any suggestions? I wanted to play mortal kombat with pico drive, however the controls are not working maybe? I press start (spacebar) and it's not starting :/ | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | emulated ones or native? | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | http://pupnik.de/software.html | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/games/ | 14:24 |
| antranigv | KotCzarny: no difference, however, I'd like the emulated ones to impress my friends :P | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.my-maemo.com/software/category.php?name=Games_&_Entertainment&fldAuto=35 | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | also, talk.maemo.org should help you (search) | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | but to be honest, n900's power lies in being almost normal linux box | 14:26 |
| zGrr | yes | 14:28 |
| zGrr | truly open | 14:28 |
| antranigv | ah, you have a point, I used to play widelands for hours on my laptop, then I was amazed to play it with the same quality on the N900 | 14:28 |
| antranigv | still, mortal kombat is not working :( | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | try uae and amiga version? | 14:30 |
| zGrr | I was testing wireless speakers. I was suprised to hear that n900 has better audio quality than iPod | 14:30 |
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| Sicelo | surprised? | 14:31 |
| Sicelo | :D | 14:31 |
| zGrr | a little bit | 14:37 |
| zGrr | after all it is the iPod which was marketed as an audio player. | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | wasnt bt codec hacked up by community? | 14:38 |
| Sicelo | OOTB | 14:41 |
| zGrr | Few weeks ago i bouth bluetooth adapter for headphones from famous Chinese maker called Bluedio. | 14:41 |
| zGrr | ... and you know what? | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | it works? | 14:41 |
| zGrr | Quality of audio from N900 was better over bluetooth than directly connected via 3.5mm jack. Same headphones of course. | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | thats weird | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | maybe its just louder? | 14:42 |
| zGrr | It is, isn't it | 14:42 |
| zGrr | No, not lauder. | 14:42 |
| zGrr | Just better audio. | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes people mistake louder signal for better | 14:43 |
| zGrr | Maybe that chinese dongle has better D/A converters than Nokia? | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | could be that bt adapter doing dirty tricks with eq | 14:43 |
| zGrr | Or better amplifier? | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | dirty tricks with eq i bet | 14:43 |
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| KotCzarny | or sucky pulseaudio filters | 14:44 |
| zGrr | Good idea | 14:45 |
| zGrr | pulse suck | 14:45 |
| zGrr | s | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | though on headphones pa shouldnt do much to the signal | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it isnt the case | 14:46 |
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| zGrr | I hope, Dragonbox pyra would come out before my n900 will break down | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | so, in next 10 years? | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:53 |
| zGrr | i doubt it will be supported for that long. | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | you know it's unsupported since 2011? | 14:54 |
| zGrr | nope | 14:55 |
| zGrr | there is still community support | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | you know you are community too? | 14:57 |
| antranigv | KotCzarny: nice idea, let me try the Amiga version (: | 15:03 |
| antranigv | zGrr: yes, I hope it will be out too, I like the design and the idea, I think I will use it more as a computer than a gaming console (: | 15:04 |
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| zGrr | KotCzarny: are U there? | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | kind of | 16:17 |
| zGrr | :) | 16:17 |
| zGrr | what is web page of your media player project? | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | ~oscp | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 16:18 |
| zGrr | found that | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 16:18 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: okay | 16:18 |
| zGrr | thx | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | ~oscp | 16:18 |
| infobot | oscp is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | for x86 go to sourceforge one | 16:19 |
| zGrr | do you think, oscp would work on openwrt? | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | you might want to use alsa binary | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | alsa arm | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/tmp/oscp-n900-alsa.gz/download | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | this one | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | if your device is arm and uses armel arch and do you have libao installed it should | 16:20 |
| zGrr | i think of having wifi router and wifi radio in one | 16:20 |
| zGrr | so | 16:20 |
| zGrr | I have configured openwrt on raspberry pi. | 16:21 |
| KotCzarny | then try n900-alsa | 16:21 |
| zGrr | it is odroid-w actually, but they are binary compatible. | 16:21 |
| KotCzarny | could work | 16:21 |
| zGrr | it could be possible to add internet radio | 16:22 |
| KotCzarny | yes, oscp plays netradios just fine | 16:22 |
| zGrr | and have it controlled over http | 16:22 |
| KotCzarny | http/mms links | 16:22 |
| KotCzarny | as for control, you can just run oscp-remote.py on n900 or pc | 16:22 |
| zGrr | or even something else. | 16:22 |
| KotCzarny | or just write some controller in www-php/perl | 16:23 |
| zGrr | since odroid-w has a small 2" display | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | but first try running the binary and let me knows if it runs | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | *know | 16:23 |
| zGrr | ok | 16:23 |
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| KotCzarny | if it works, i will add another target, because n900 binary does some n900 specific hacks | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | which are mostly harmless | 16:26 |
| stryngs | Does anyone know the hottest stable temp for the n900? | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | summer? | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:28 |
| stryngs | I'm running at 37c | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | sure be safe | 16:28 |
| stryngs | Doing some heavy wifi stuff with it, and curious of the warning range I should worry about | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | downclock to 500-600mHz maybe | 16:29 |
| stryngs | Haven't oc'd | 16:29 |
| stryngs | Range is currentl 250-600 right now KotCzarny | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | dont leave it in direct sunlight and it should be safe | 16:30 |
| stryngs | Sure, but I'm curious to know if anyone has temp recommendations | 16:30 |
| stryngs | i.e. burnout temp, etc.. | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | i think battery is more susceptible to temperature than device itself | 16:32 |
| stryngs | It's plugged in | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | funnily, cant google operating temp for n900 | 16:33 |
| stryngs | Yeah, I googled around, but nothing about a proper temp range | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.ti.com/product/am3359 | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | not the exact chip but table is not a bad reference | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | 0 to 90C operating temp | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | and max from -40 to 125 | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | for different configs | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | so i guess even at 60-70C cpu will manage, other parts could be harmed earlier | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | like flash, solder etc | 16:38 |
| bencoh | stryngs: what are you trying to do ith the poor thing ? | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: it's hot there | 16:39 |
| stryngs | I'm running a modified injection script | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | 30-36C in the shadow | 16:39 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: we had that here as well ;) | 16:39 |
| stryngs | Using dot11decrypt, I'm connected via wifi, but enable to inject as well | 16:39 |
| stryngs | So | 16:39 |
| stryngs | For instance | 16:39 |
| stryngs | ... | 16:39 |
| stryngs | I can decrypt 802.11G WPA2 on the fly | 16:39 |
| stryngs | Using mon0 as a virtual NIC | 16:39 |
| stryngs | enabling wlan0 to be connected | 16:39 |
| stryngs | and injection/sniffing on mon0 | 16:39 |
| stryngs | dot11decrypt as the bridge to tap0 | 16:40 |
| stryngs | Monitor ALL traffic via tap0 | 16:40 |
| stryngs | inject on mon0 | 16:40 |
| stryngs | i.e. | 16:40 |
| stryngs | js/malware/etc.. | 16:40 |
| stryngs | Whatever u want | 16:40 |
| stryngs | specfically airpwn-ng | 16:40 |
| stryngs | Very sexy | 16:40 |
| stryngs | And all done with an n900 | 16:40 |
| stryngs | I cannot wait till neo900 is available | 16:41 |
| stryngs | I've been runing for about 40 mins now, with my bridge setup, and she holds stdy at 37C, so this is good. | 16:42 |
| KotCzarny | if you are worried just force airflow with some fan | 16:42 |
| stryngs | Well, this is to be used in the field KotCzarny | 16:42 |
| stryngs | Not necessarily "ideal" conditions | 16:42 |
| KotCzarny | field fan? | 16:42 |
| KotCzarny | bring the accu | 16:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:42 |
| stryngs | Figured I can install a monitoring script to watch for a certain temp alert | 16:42 |
| stryngs | then init 0 | 16:43 |
| stryngs | save it from dying | 16:43 |
| stryngs | etc.. | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | um | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | just kill the cpu eater | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | should be enough | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | no need to init 0 | 16:43 |
| stryngs | yeah, true | 16:43 |
| stryngs | Just figure init 0 is guarenteed way to shutdown =) | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | umm | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | dont remember which one is shutdown and which is poweroff | 16:44 |
| stryngs | init 0 is poweroff | 16:46 |
| stryngs | shutdown just halts unless throwing a p flag | 16:46 |
| stryngs | either same, same result | 16:46 |
| stryngs | It's not a multiuser system, so "who cares" | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | you care | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | if it sucks your battery dry | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:48 |
| stryngs | True | 16:50 |
| stryngs | So long as I'm not murdering the board, I dont care about the battery per se | 16:50 |
| stryngs | Ouch | 16:50 |
| stryngs | 39 c | 16:50 |
| stryngs | hmm | 16:50 |
| KotCzarny | it should be fine i think | 16:51 |
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| bencoh | most probably yeah | 17:19 |
| bencoh | but I dont really see any reason to do that with your n900 | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | wardriving? | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | hacking in the field? | 17:20 |
| bencoh | no I mean, doing it for, like ... hours | 17:20 |
| stryngs | pentesting bencoh | 17:23 |
| stryngs | The n900 is a drop and go device for us | 17:23 |
| stryngs | i.e.: https://media.blackhat.com/bh-us-11/Arsenal/BH_US_11_Awk_pwnphonemanual_WP.pdf | 17:24 |
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| Luke-Jr | oh nice http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/blog/2013-04-18-kdepim-without-akonadi.html | 19:38 |
| Pali | Luke-Jr: are you also looking for working email client? | 19:40 |
| Luke-Jr | Pali: address book particularly - I have been using KMail from KDE 4.4 fine for years :P | 19:41 |
| Luke-Jr | although I wonder if you fixed the crash when I try to move messages too fast on IMAP.. | 19:41 |
| Pali | old kde addressbook without akonadi is in that my git repo | 19:41 |
| Pali | I'm not getting any kmail crash now | 19:42 |
| Luke-Jr | yes, I missed it greatly | 19:42 |
| Luke-Jr | I'm looking forward to seeing if KOrganiser is also working ;) | 19:42 |
| Pali | seems yes | 19:42 |
| Pali | but also this my kmail starts to be slow... | 19:42 |
| Pali | with 120000 emails per forlder | 19:42 |
| Luke-Jr | sadly, while Gentoo has added your version to portage, it doesn't appear to extract correctly.. guess I'll figure out why | 19:42 |
| Luke-Jr | yes, that's why I dislike crashing it much XD | 19:43 |
| Pali | what does not not extract correctly? | 19:43 |
| Luke-Jr | looks like it's trying to use .tar.bz2, but the file is .tar.xz | 19:44 |
| Pali | ah... restore | 19:44 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 19:44 |
| Pali | do not trust kmail backup & restore function | 19:44 |
| Pali | better to backup directly kmail folders | 19:45 |
| Luke-Jr | I just use normal IMAP | 19:45 |
| Luke-Jr | and backup on the server | 19:45 |
| Pali | thats better | 19:45 |
| Luke-Jr | ..into a git repo.. | 19:46 |
| Luke-Jr | https://gitlab.com/gitbackup/gitbackup/tree/master ;) | 19:47 |
| Luke-Jr | Pali: looks like I should just update my package metadata - your kdepim is stable on Gentoo now :D | 19:52 |
| Luke-Jr | Pali: btw, do you know offhand if KMail will work okay on N900? :p | 19:54 |
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| Pali | no idea about kmail on n900... | 20:02 |
| stryngs | Pali, you going to be around for a little bit? | 20:05 |
| Pali | where around? | 20:05 |
| stryngs | on irc | 20:06 |
| Pali | yep | 20:06 |
| stryngs | K | 20:06 |
| stryngs | Awesome =) | 20:06 |
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| stryngs | Pali: Meet Jack64 | 20:10 |
| Jack64 | o/ hey there | 20:10 |
| stryngs | So Jack64 just got an n900, and he's having some issues with kp53 and injection | 20:10 |
| stryngs | we're using the script as provided | 20:10 |
| stryngs | ./packet-injection.sh load | 20:10 |
| stryngs | Jack64 Ill let u describe from here | 20:11 |
| Jack64 | k thanks =) | 20:11 |
| stryngs | Pali is "the" n900 guru for this | 20:11 |
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| Jack64 | well I just wanted to use the WiFi NIC on monitor mode AND join a network at the same time. I ran ./packet-injection.sh load but now when I go to the WiFi network list I get "No connection available" | 20:13 |
| stryngs | And Pali, using his same scenario, I can join a network, however he cannot. | 20:13 |
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| stryngs | So to clarify, I can be in managed mode for wlan0, connected to a network. On my virtual nic, mon0, which i created via: iw dev wlan0 interface add mon0 type monitor, I can do injection just fine, so long as it's the assigned channel to wlan0 | 20:14 |
| stryngs | The question remains as to why Jack64 cannot join a network, but I can. | 20:14 |
| Pali | enable packet injection drivers | 20:14 |
| Pali | and reboot device | 20:15 |
| Pali | load/unload are just temporary options | 20:15 |
| stryngs | right | 20:15 |
| Pali | use that permanent | 20:15 |
| Jack64 | ok going for it | 20:15 |
| Jack64 | so the settings changed by packet-injection.sh will survive a reboot? | 20:17 |
| Jack64 | still no network available on the list | 20:19 |
| Jack64 | just in case you're wondering: | 20:23 |
| Jack64 | ii status-area-wlan-driver-selector-applet 0.2.2-3 Wlan Driver Selector Applet lets you easily select your wlan driver and shut | 20:23 |
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| Pali | Jack64: make sure wlancond is running | 20:38 |
| Pali | and also check output from iwlist scan | 20:38 |
| Jack64 | I just went through some debugging, turns out I CAN connect to my phone's hotspot, just not my home wifi network | 20:39 |
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| stryngs | Pali: fyi, this is a bug I noticed back with kp46. There are some APs, you can't connect to. But modprobing of drivers, I've long since forgotten the name or location of, would enable u to connect to them. I never filed a bug report, because I figured it was a kp-46 issue. | 20:41 |
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| Pali | Jack64: maybe regulation limitation | 20:43 |
| Jack64 | for Portugal? don't think so ? | 20:43 |
| Jack64 | I never had that trouble before | 20:43 |
| Pali | so check output from iwlist scan | 20:44 |
| Jack64 | it outputs as my laptop does | 20:44 |
| stryngs | It happened in America for me too thought Pali | 20:44 |
| stryngs | i doubt iw reg set would fix | 20:44 |
| stryngs | perhaps though | 20:44 |
| Pali | and what is reason for not connecting? | 20:44 |
| Pali | error message? | 20:44 |
| Pali | or network is not visible in selection list? | 20:44 |
| stryngs | Yeah, it just doesn't connect, but on the same instance, with other APs it'll connect | 20:44 |
| stryngs | For me it was network not visibler | 20:45 |
| stryngs | For me it was network not visible | 20:45 |
| Jack64 | I get that one | 20:45 |
| stryngs | Jack has a same, but different issue now that I think about it | 20:45 |
| Jack64 | network not visible | 20:45 |
| stryngs | Oh | 20:45 |
| stryngs | So we do have same issue | 20:45 |
| Jack64 | wait | 20:45 |
| Pali | and in iwlist it is visible? | 20:45 |
| Jack64 | yes | 20:45 |
| Jack64 | but when I can see it | 20:45 |
| Jack64 | It gives me a different error | 20:45 |
| Pali | and other networks in selection dialog are visible? | 20:46 |
| Jack64 | which is just a "cannot connect to network. try again?" | 20:46 |
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| Pali | look into syslog | 20:46 |
| Jack64 | yes, I just connected to my phone's hotspot | 20:46 |
| Pali | there must be some error message | 20:46 |
| Jack64 | erm ok nvm, for some reason it just worked | 20:47 |
| Jack64 | I just managed to connect to the home wifi + monitor mode is up and running =) | 20:47 |
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| Jack64 | maybe it was from connecting to the phone's hotspot, or iw list scan, not sure, but something made it work now | 20:48 |
| stryngs | Pali: Any idea why the network wouldn't be visible? As well, any idea as to why he would get that error message of "cannot connect to network. try again?" | 20:48 |
| stryngs | This issue plagued me back in the kp-46 days | 20:48 |
| Pali | no idea | 20:49 |
| Pali | try to restart wlancond | 20:49 |
| stryngs | Interesting. | 20:49 |
| stryngs | Pali, where is syslog ? | 20:51 |
| stryngs | /var/log/ shows 2 files and thats it | 20:51 |
| Pali | /var/log/syslog | 20:51 |
| stryngs | hmm | 20:52 |
| stryngs | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/syslog | 20:52 |
| stryngs | I see | 20:52 |
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| Luke-Jr | Pali: fwiw, moving messages too fast does indeed still kill KMail in your branch | 22:57 |
| Luke-Jr | no big deal, just means I need to continue my habitual avoiding it | 22:57 |
| Pali | Luke-Jr: can you look at backtrace? | 22:57 |
| Pali | maybe thre is something... | 22:57 |
| Pali | I fixed some crases which was just null pointer dereference | 22:58 |
| Pali | like this=0x0 | 22:58 |
| Luke-Jr | I looked at it some months ago and got lost.. I guess if you want to investigate though, I can reproduce it with gdb attached (I'm surprised it didn't pop up a crash handler..) | 22:58 |
| Pali | ok, send me full gdb backtrace | 22:58 |
| Pali | maybe there will be something easy to fix | 22:59 |
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| Luke-Jr | Pali: http://0bin.net/paste/jj-DgBww37H2Hrw-#klIjaqfI5XmwtP4Tbtx2dk2qt3IyR+9fp8l0YeXgIC3 | 23:03 |
| Pali | ok | 23:03 |
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| Luke-Jr | anything else to dump while I have it in gdb? | 23:04 |
| Pali | bt full | 23:04 |
| Pali | but looks like this is some null pointer dereference | 23:05 |
| Luke-Jr | http://0bin.net/paste/fr1esxy-RlXaawgO#iCJGvnQ4o1fwaXlu1nFkg+cJg0FW8DyKgoyXdQYLeDZ | 23:06 |
| kerio | Pali: literally just *NULL? | 23:06 |
| Pali | kerio: NULL->function() | 23:06 |
| kerio | oh | 23:07 |
| kerio | well that's just a mistake surely | 23:07 |
| Pali | some dereferenced iterator | 23:07 |
| Pali | and then called on it some method | 23:07 |
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| * Luke-Jr stabs optimisations | 23:10 | |
| Pali | Luke-Jr: yes recompile without optimizations | 23:10 |
| Pali | looks like job is NULL | 23:10 |
| Pali | but does not have to be | 23:10 |
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| Pali | Luke-Jr: try to run it under valgrind | 23:17 |
| Pali | this can be also some memory corruption of virtual table of that job object | 23:17 |
| Pali | gdb does not help much with such problems... | 23:17 |
| Luke-Jr | sadly, I'm having trouble even reproducing it now | 23:24 |
| Luke-Jr | which is odd, since it seemed so predictable before | 23:24 |
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| Luke-Jr | Pali: valgrind would be a lot of effort for me, since I'm not using a platform it supports :/ | 23:27 |
| bencoh | err, which platform is that ? | 23:28 |
| Luke-Jr | bencoh: Haswell in 32-bit mode | 23:28 |
| Luke-Jr | Valgrind stopped adding support for new x86-32 opcodes a long time ago | 23:28 |
| Luke-Jr | so I'd need to recompile all my libs for some older arch | 23:29 |
| bencoh | oh, didnt know that | 23:29 |
| Pali | really no 32 opcodes for haswell?? | 23:30 |
| Luke-Jr | really :/ | 23:30 |
| Pali | thats sad | 23:30 |
| Luke-Jr | had I known this, I wouldn't have gone back to 32-bit I think | 23:30 |
| Pali | but it is just avx2, no? | 23:31 |
| bencoh | avx2 exist in 32b mode ? | 23:31 |
| Pali | do not know... which opcodes are new in haswell 32b? | 23:32 |
| Luke-Jr | it's not just Haswell's… | 23:32 |
| bencoh | no idea | 23:32 |
| Pali | looks like avx2 works also in 32bit mode | 23:33 |
| Luke-Jr | yes | 23:33 |
| Luke-Jr | just not in valgrind | 23:33 |
| Luke-Jr | SSE4 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346023 | 23:36 |
| povbot | Bug 346023: was not found. | 23:36 |
| Luke-Jr | AVX https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334665 | 23:36 |
| povbot | Bug 334665: was not found. | 23:36 |
| Luke-Jr | SSE4 or newer, it looks like | 23:36 |
| bencoh | sse4 ? *sigh* | 23:39 |
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