IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2015-07-15

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ZetaRAre there any Bitcoin clients compiled for Fremantle?05:38
ZetaRI have looked through extras/testing/develpment and didn't see anything with "bitcoin" in the title, but I thought there could be one under a different name.05:40
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sixwheeledbeastZetaR: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6675609:41
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Luke-Jranything kernel more recent than 2.6.28 for CSSU? :|10:02
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DerHatHi, i just removed 4 packages like opengles by fault and dont remember the names. now i can access device using ssh but screen hangs some times (while all other keep working). can i flash directly from the device using the flasher tool from repo?16:05
DerHatbecause my f****** usb port is broken16:05
KotCzarny~0xfffff16:05
KotCzarny~0xffff16:05
infobotmethinks 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8799616:05
KotCzarny~0xFFFF16:05
infobotfrom memory, 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8799616:05
KotCzarnysee ^16:05
bencohI'd try reinstall the 4 packages first16:06
KotCzarnybut watch out16:06
DerHatbencoh but i dont remember names :/16:06
KotCzarnyflashing live fs could be fatal16:06
KotCzarnyderhat: want a dpkg -l from my device?16:06
bencohDerHat: dont you have it in your bash history ?16:06
bencohor in your apt logs ?16:06
DerHatbencoh: i looked at /var/log/aptitude but it wasnt there16:07
DerHatit is maybe 3 days ago and 100 reboots :D16:07
DerHatKotCzarny: fs = RX-51...VANILLA...bin and emmc = RX-51...COMBINED...bin, right?16:09
KotCzarnyhow do i check? but last time i remember it was stock fremantle 1.316:09
DerHatKotCzarny: can i get your dpkg -l please ^^16:11
KotCzarnypreparing16:11
KotCzarnymind you, its my system, so expect many packages not needed for os16:11
KotCzarnybut you can always do diff16:11
KotCzarnyhttps://transfer.sh/1fgz6N/fremantle1.3-custom.txt16:14
DerHatcan i also get a "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list" or "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"?16:15
KotCzarnydeb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./16:16
KotCzarnydeb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./16:16
KotCzarnydeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free16:16
KotCzarnydeb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free16:16
KotCzarny^ hildon-application-manager.list16:16
KotCzarnysources.list is empty16:16
DerHatthx KotCzarny16:18
KotCzarnybut seriously, there should be a 'default config' wiki page on maemo.org16:18
DerHatyea, i never found mirrors.muarf.org and community testing!16:19
KotCzarny:)16:19
KotCzarnynow you do16:19
KotCzarnyand might be key to install those system packages16:19
DerHatlol http://pastebin.com/yHWktafa16:20
KotCzarnycommunity-testing is not needed tho, unless you want to participate. and i would just use extras-devel :P16:20
DerHatyes, i tryed reinstall hildon-* but never found anyone16:20
DerHatextras-devel i found on repository.maemo.org :)16:21
KotCzarnyyes, but dont keep it enabled16:21
KotCzarnymight break your device easily16:21
KotCzarnys/device/system/16:21
infobotKotCzarny meant: might break your system easily16:21
DerHatxD16:21
DerHatyou told us!16:22
KotCzarnybut upgrade didnt find those missing deps16:24
KotCzarnyso you still have to do a diff16:25
KotCzarnyuse: dpkg --get-selections16:25
KotCzarnythen diff16:25
DerHatthese 4 packages could not get upgraded, so i removed them X:16:26
KotCzarnyi mean those 4 NOT on the list16:26
KotCzarnyyou still have to find what you removed earlier16:26
DerHatu mean the 4 i removed from the list! but maybe a apt-get upgrade will do that, because it upgrade maemo and hildon packages and see dependencies.16:36
KotCzarnynope, it didnt find them16:36
KotCzarnybecause there is no 'installing new'16:36
DerHatKotCzarny: after upgrade i can see clock now unlike before, but still freeze!16:43
KotCzarnyfind the missing ones16:44
DerHatand upgrade failed on replacing  microb-engine16:44
KotCzarnymost likely you miss something hildon related16:44
KotCzarnybut just diff the lists16:44
DerHatrealy hard to find, is there any error log file could help me?16:46
KotCzarnydo you have 2 lists?16:47
DerHatyes but mine is a little bit diff16:52
KotCzarnyyou mean?16:52
DerHatyours is e.g. yappari16:53
DerHatand mine: ii yappari16:53
KotCzarnyuse --get-selections not -l16:53
ZetaRsixwheeledbeast: Thanks for the link, but it seems the relevant bitcoin forum page/software is unavailable, even on archive.org. Unfortunately it seems that the software never made it into any repository that I can find.16:54
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DerHatwell, cant boot anymore :/17:14
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DocScrutinizer05DerHat: FLASHING ON-DEVICE DOESN'T WORK17:19
KotCzarnydoc: unless you flash from ramdisk booted os17:19
KotCzarny:)17:19
DerHattoo late, anyway thx17:20
DerHatflash screen show up but win32 says "suitable dev not found, waiting"17:20
DerHati hold u while connected via usb and then insert battery17:21
KotCzarnybut you've said your usb port is b0rken17:21
DerHatmy command: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51...COMBINED...bin -f17:21
KotCzarny~flashing17:21
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh17:21
DerHatsome times it works, needs time to play with17:21
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DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: even then17:25
KotCzarnyhuh?17:25
DocScrutinizer05flashing depends on NOLO17:25
DocScrutinizer05and you can't run NOLO when you run any system on device17:25
KotCzarnyeven with 0xffff ?17:25
DocScrutinizer05yes17:25
KotCzarnyhow does 0xffff work then?17:25
KotCzarnyi've always thought it just writes flash17:26
DocScrutinizer05it talks to device via USB, on device there is a special software running that has full and exclusive access to whole NAND17:26
DocScrutinizer05coldflashing runs a special NOLO version in RAM to flash NOLO to NAND17:27
KotCzarnyuhum17:27
DocScrutinizer05all other flashing is done by running NAND-based NOLO17:27
DocScrutinizer05alternatively you *could* use uBoot if you had a matchng flasher prog on your PC17:28
DocScrutinizer05once linux booted on device, you hardly can flash anything the usual way17:28
DocScrutinizer05what's closest to on-device flashing is backupmenu-restore17:29
DocScrutinizer05you *could* do mtdutils or nandwrite flashing under linux on device, but you need the proper image for that17:30
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KotCzarnyso mtdtools still work?17:31
KotCzarnyin fact i though 0xffff was a maemo fork of mtdtools17:31
KotCzarny*thought17:31
DocScrutinizer05no, 0xffff is a alternative flasher-3.517:32
L29Ahwhy wouldn't they?17:32
DocScrutinizer05while mtdutils is a on-device app17:32
KotCzarnyi see an idea for restoreos17:33
KotCzarny:)17:33
KotCzarnybackup/restore system to/from os or network17:33
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DocScrutinizer05rescueOS runs in RAM and thus can safely flash NAND17:34
KotCzarnythat's the idea17:34
DocScrutinizer05but 0xFFFF is not made to do this17:34
KotCzarnyyeah, i know now17:34
DocScrutinizer05you need your own tools and concept to accomplish such flashing17:35
KotCzarny256M isnt that much17:35
KotCzarnyand you can pipe it through lzop17:35
KotCzarnyi would simply save/restore whole thing17:35
KotCzarnyie. 'clean stock fremantle' or 'clean current cssu'17:36
DocScrutinizer05:nod:17:37
DocScrutinizer05much appreciated17:37
DocScrutinizer05so far we only have a "clean maemo backupmenu image"17:37
DocScrutinizer05which is a possible solution for DerHat17:38
KotCzarnyhe still would need to boot the device17:38
DocScrutinizer05sure17:38
DerHat):17:38
DerHatclean maemo image? where do i find that17:38
DocScrutinizer05but only until backupmenu17:39
KotCzarnythere is still issue of onboard sd17:40
KotCzarnybut that could be solved by some pre-prepared data too17:40
DerHatnow it shows only white nokia logo or if keyboard is open multiboot with no bootable option...17:40
DocScrutinizer05oops sorry, I mixed that up: >>Here's a rootfs image from my N900 with BackupMenu 0.50-3 installed: flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img. This image can be flashed with the Nokia flasher, significantly reducing restore time if you have a "bricked" system.<<17:40
KotCzarnythat's assuming you have backupmenu17:41
KotCzarny:)17:41
DocScrutinizer05no, *this* is assuming you can flash17:42
KotCzarnythat too17:42
DerHatbut i cant charge battery17:42
KotCzarnyderhat: use rescueos17:42
DerHat?17:42
DocScrutinizer05rescueOS needs USB17:42
KotCzarnyahm, nvm, bad usb17:43
DerHatusb works, some times :D17:43
KotCzarnydont everflex it17:43
DerHatjust cant charge because of this nokia logo, it wont go ahead17:43
DocScrutinizer05DerHat: you *could* install backupmenu and then find a clean-maemo backup archive and restore that17:43
KotCzarnyprepare flasher and try to restore stock image17:43
KotCzarnydoc: he cant boot anything at the moment17:43
DerHatDocScrutinizer05 no i cant boot device17:43
DocScrutinizer05hmm?17:44
KotCzarnystuck at nokia logo17:44
DerHatand it wont flash if battery level is to low17:44
KotCzarnymost likely b0rked main fs17:44
DocScrutinizer05when you can't boot and you got broken USB port, you're between a stone and a hard place17:44
DerHatKotCzarny: i got multiboot installed17:44
DerHatfor nitdroid, but i never do that again17:44
KotCzarny:>17:45
DocScrutinizer05~maemo-multiboot17:45
infobotit has been said that maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED17:45
DerHatright, this made my nokia unbootable17:46
DocScrutinizer05so what's the status of your USB? broken or just defunct due to software problems?17:47
KotCzarnybroken, but works with wiggling17:47
DocScrutinizer05:-/17:47
DocScrutinizer05you're pretty much in a pinch17:47
DocScrutinizer05fix the USB port17:48
DocScrutinizer05N900 has no alternative way to get you out of this deadlock17:48
DerHatKotCzarny: wiggling? seriously?17:48
KotCzarnyderhat: that's what i understood from 'works sometimes'17:49
DerHatlol ok, i try that :D17:49
DocScrutinizer05NO!!!!!17:49
DocScrutinizer05don't17:49
DerHatok17:49
DocScrutinizer05DerHat: is your USB port known to be mechanically broken?17:50
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DerHatits broken, i fixed last time by soldering but broke again17:51
DerHati also stabilized by insert some paper between usb and case17:52
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ZetaRDerHat: I would open the case and check the port. If you tear off the PCB contacts for the USB port with unbootable firmware then the only way to fix it would be to go through the diagnostic pins.17:53
KotCzarnyor buying another one17:53
DocScrutinizer05DerHat: with physically broken USB your're screwed17:54
DocScrutinizer05only alternative: use testpoints under battery17:55
DocScrutinizer05or fix USB again - which is the preferrable alternative17:55
DocScrutinizer05maybe this time do it right17:55
DerHatit is still able to detect usb connection, just wont flash now error: suitable usb dev not found, waiting..."17:56
KotCzarnyturn it off first17:56
DerHati removed battery17:57
KotCzarnystart flasher, wait for 'waiting for' then connect17:57
DerHatdone17:57
KotCzarnyand only move cable at the pc side17:57
DerHatits not the first time i flash this device17:57
KotCzarnyimmobilize it somehow on the n900 side17:57
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DerHatyellow led turned on while try to flash, but still "suitable dev not found..."18:10
KotCzarnylet it charge if it pulses18:11
KotCzarnyyou will need it anyway18:11
DerHatno, its just static lid while try to flash18:13
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DocScrutinizer05you're lowbat-deadlocked18:14
DocScrutinizer05~flatbatrecover18:14
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)18:14
KotCzarnycharge in other device?18:14
KotCzarnyor just boot rescueos18:14
DocScrutinizer05~bootloop18:14
infobotmethinks bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.18:14
DerHatrescueos?18:15
DerHat~rescueos18:15
infobotit has been said that rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/18:15
KotCzarny~rescueos18:15
DerHathow to install?18:15
KotCzarnyyou dont install18:15
KotCzarnyyou boot via same flasher18:15
DerHathow to load18:15
KotCzarnyread the link18:15
DerHatok18:15
KotCzarnybut remember flasher line differs slightly, so read cautiously18:16
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DerHatwhy rescueos? i can also flash maemo to make it working18:16
KotCzarnyyou cant flash without battery charged to some extent18:17
DerHati can flash rescueos with low battery?18:19
KotCzarnyyou dont flash rescueos18:19
KotCzarnyyou boot via flasher cmd line18:19
KotCzarnythen you can start charging script18:20
KotCzarnytold you, read the readme18:20
DerHatThis is a download-only location. For documentation and scripts,18:20
DerHatrefer to https://github.com/NIN101/N900_RescueOS18:20
DerHatthis is the readme18:20
KotCzarnyhttp://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/documentation.txt18:20
KotCzarnythis is the readme18:20
* DocScrutinizer05 thinks it's pretty difficult to get somebody out of a ^2 pitfall of broken-USB*flatbat18:22
DocScrutinizer05one (flatbatt) blocking flashing 100% reliably, and the suggested fix (rescueOS) depends on the other (broken USB) giving you a 30% chance to just boot to the system which will then use the same broken USB to charge18:25
DocScrutinizer05so prepare for a two dozen aborting/failing tries before you even charged battery18:26
DocScrutinizer05I recommend chatging battery externally18:27
DocScrutinizer05charging*18:27
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DerHatin n9 are also so many problems?18:34
KotCzarnyn9 has its own problems (software)18:34
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KotCzarnyderhat, i have my n900 for 6 years, usb port is working 100%, so its user handling in big part too18:37
DerHati told a friend to charge on his computer, he broke my port! not me :D18:38
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KotCzarnydoh18:38
KotCzarnyfirst rule of electronics, dont let other people touch it18:39
L29Ah~usbfix18:39
infoboti guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt18:39
L29Ahinfobot: usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and take care when using epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt18:40
infobotL29Ah: cannot alter locked factoids18:40
L29Ah;[18:41
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DerHatwhat should happen if i put usb in without battery?18:47
KotCzarnynothing18:47
DocScrutinizer05zilch18:47
DerHatno led?18:47
KotCzarnybattery is required18:47
DocScrutinizer05after a 20min actually the steady yellow comes up - sometimes18:47
DocScrutinizer05means nothing though, except "there's voltage on USB"18:49
DocScrutinizer05when you watch extremely closely, you can see the 200microseconds of yellow LED flashing when connecting18:51
veikkoany emacs users around?18:57
veikkoIm interested about the best way to map alt key in emacs18:58
bencohmeta ?18:58
veikkoyes18:58
bencohmost term emulators map ESC to meta18:58
sixwheeledbeastZetaR: Well unfortunately that's the only working Bitcoin related thread on TMO. Maybe you can find bitcoind and compile it for maemo?18:58
veikkogood to know, thanks18:59
veikkoI think I've mapped ESC to fn+shift left-key18:59
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veikkotrue, it works as meta19:01
bencoh:)19:02
bencohreminds me of http://s.mlkshk-cdn.com/r/37ET19:02
KotCzarny:)19:03
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veikko:D19:05
veikko"work"19:06
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endsoaHa! back in the saddle again [singing]21:20
KotCzarny:)21:23
KotCzarnyword of warning, irc is a big time waster21:23
endsohad a hell of a time with my old handle..21:24
KotCzarnyyou dont need a handle21:24
KotCzarnyall this registering is.. well.. unnecessary imo21:24
endsowell I'm a member of the voting minority so having ducks in a row definitely is chalenging :D esp. when I've forgotten my garage and community logins and passwords21:26
endsogotta work on those one day soon here21:27
KotCzarnyjust hit 'new password' on the login form?21:28
KotCzarnyand email as a login21:28
KotCzarnyok, n800 is charging (luckily i've found it's charger)21:28
endsoyeah ..it probably is that simple as "new login" ... I'm always figuring things are faaaar more complex :D21:29
KotCzarnynah, click lost password and enter email as a login21:30
KotCzarnyor if there is specific field for it21:30
endsoI'll deal with that this evening ...too much multi-tasking [gets up for a cup of joe]21:32
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endsoyeah...multi-tasking...can't spend long on here at the mo. "wash" day here...bedding...dog..Eddie [my 1-eyed, 3-legged bud doesn't care for "wash" day]21:39
KotCzarnyno worries, just leave the window somewhere minimized21:40
endsoyeah..back once I'm done...picked a hellava busy day [for me] to get gtkgep functioning Kot :D21:43
KotCzarnyno worries, i'll try to port it to esound21:44
KotCzarnymight take a bit, few docs21:44
endsoah...it'll be good to give the finger to all the buggers running amplitube off their phones :D21:45
KotCzarny:)21:45
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KotCzarnyporting it to gtk2 would be swell too, but it will be much more work21:46
endsohm...do you think we can get it running proper at least intially with gtk? I'm jones'n21:47
KotCzarnyit works 100% with n900 now21:48
KotCzarnyi don't expect anything troubling once i switch oss to esd21:48
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endsogrand21:48
KotCzarnyunless n8x0 esd is quirky and interfere with audio stream (latency, cpu clog etc)21:49
endsohmmm...21:49
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endsoI did play with the interface via n900..and found it awkward with the windows popping up filling the whole bloody screen...isn't friendly for changing or configuring inputs on the fly21:51
KotCzarnyyeah, but thats the way author made it21:52
KotCzarnytabs would be nice21:52
endsocorrection not "inputs" rather "plugin"21:52
KotCzarny"effects"21:52
KotCzarny:)21:52
endsofx :D21:52
KotCzarnystill, it works, and if you only need particular effects set, it works21:53
endsosooo nice to be able to say that in conjunction with the tablets now...21:53
KotCzarnyif you are impatient, you can always use esddsp wrapper21:53
KotCzarnydon't know if it wraps capturing too, but it should21:54
endsotabs would be a better method than the whole screen21:54
endsonaw I'm a patient..been working away at gtkgep long enough...learned some small modicum of patience from it21:55
endsokills me...you put it all together in a heartbeat what has taken me sloggin' through swampland it seems :D21:56
KotCzarnyeveryone has some talent21:57
endsowell thanks to you and Android 808 and a few more people we now have gtkgep...and that will be a great allure to old and new maemoans alike...22:00
KotCzarnywell, i didnt use their work22:00
KotCzarnyi just grabbed gtkgep and compiled it in scratchbox22:00
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endsowell ...my thanks extend to all... it has been an education in audio for sure ... for me ...22:05
KotCzarnyyou should play with osc pixos one day22:06
endsoosc pixos ...don't know that one.22:11
KotCzarnyit's my app to turn few lines of c code into: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGg-uhy6t3E22:12
KotCzarnyor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ22:13
KotCzarnyor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsGFinU22zA22:13
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endsoimpressive very22:27
KotCzarnyhmm, now, where did i put libesddsp22:28
KotCzarny(going lazy way, it works so far on n8x0, but i need to add wrapper)22:28
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KotCzarnyhrm, no full-duplex?22:32
KotCzarnyi think n8x0 doesn't support full-duplex22:33
endsomeaningggg ?22:33
KotCzarnyneeds usb audio22:33
KotCzarnyin short22:33
endsoahhh22:33
KotCzarnyunless you use network audio as input or outpu22:34
KotCzarnyt22:34
KotCzarnythat's with wrapper, but afair n8x0 had trouble with internet phone apps anyway due to lack of fullduplex22:34
endsohm...22:35
KotCzarnybtw. as for n900 as a guitar amp, pair it with fm transmitter22:38
KotCzarny;)22:38
KotCzarnyie. play guitar/harp on neighbours radios22:38
endsohahaha22:38
KotCzarnynow.. THAT's something ;)22:38
KotCzarnypity it's quality is a bit.. low22:39
KotCzarnybut still, funny22:39
endsooh man there is gonna be alotta people upset at only 1 station "radio endsormeans" :D22:39
KotCzarnynah, transmit power is low22:40
KotCzarnyso don't expect it to override air radios22:40
KotCzarnybut tuned to empty freq it should work22:40
KotCzarny'i don't have an amp with me.. but i have car radio!'22:40
KotCzarnynow you only need packaging and a cool name22:41
KotCzarny  |> Shpongle - Ineffable Mysteries From Shpongleland.wv (2009, Released by a-one)22:41
KotCzarnyk, food time22:41
endsoyeah I gotta give Eddie a bath and do some domestics around here...back when I'm done.22:43
DocScrutinizer05uh it's you endso22:44
DocScrutinizer05new nick22:44
endsohey Doc!... how you doin? :D22:44
DocScrutinizer05very busy22:45
KotCzarnyhmm22:46
KotCzarnyanother idea, n800 has fm-receiver22:46
KotCzarnyn900 has fm-transmitter22:46
KotCzarnyhint, hint22:46
DocScrutinizer05just explained on chaos computer club chan why I don't like Jolla (or any of the other Android shared-RAM hw platforms)22:46
KotCzarnydid they take it well?22:47
KotCzarnyor were you banned?22:47
endsohehehee22:47
DocScrutinizer05I think they did22:47
endsohahahaahaa22:47
endsookokok I wish I could stay..but I gotta give Eddie his bath...back when I'm done22:48
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DocScrutinizer05http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/07/14/nokia-android-smartphone-plans/23:16
KotCzarnywe need more linux phones23:16
KotCzarnynot another droid..23:16
kerioThat means identifying a partner that can be responsible for all of the manufacturing, sales, marketing and customer support for a product.23:16
kerioayy lmao23:17
KotCzarnyon another note, m$ is not doing well? or just 'sploring enemy territory?23:17
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DocScrutinizer05((did they take it well?)) seems the problem of shared ram and proprietary closed supervisor on ring0 was new to them though23:23
DocScrutinizer05well, new to one of them at least23:24
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ecc3gpine23:59
ecc3gargh wrong window23:59
KotCzarnysuch is life23:59

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