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| * Maxdamantus wonders who decided what font point sizes should be available in the terminal application. | 08:37 | |
| Maxdamantus | 12 is slightly too small to read acomfortable arm's length away, 16 is way too big. | 08:38 |
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| Maxdamantus | $ gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/font_size -t int 14 | 08:42 |
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| veikko | ~repos | 14:08 |
| infobot | it has been said that repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 14:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll `which gconftool` | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2014-12-06 12:41 /usr/bin/gconftool -> /etc/alternatives/gconftool | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /etc/alternatives/gconftool | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2014-12-06 12:41 /etc/alternatives/gconftool -> /usr/bin/gconftool-2 | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | difference: number of dereferences | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when in 58 years gnome/gtk/gconf-THREE will roll out, your scripts will still work when they use "gconftool" - unless of course when they once more break the complete UI/syntax | 15:52 |
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| veikko | does anyone knowwhere do I find ^-character on n900? | 16:27 |
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| kerio | here, have some ^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 16:38 |
| veikko | :) | 16:45 |
| veikko | my keyboard and fn+sym don't seem to have it so is there any other way to get it other than copypaste? | 16:46 |
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| L29Ah | add it to your keyboard layout | 16:48 |
| totalizator | veikko: I have it there http://i.imgur.com/lmio0WB.png seems like it's layout dependent | 16:51 |
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| L29Ah | how do i wake up a n900 from the yellow hearbeat "charging" state? | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ^ is on vkbd, open that with blue+Sym | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a deadkey, either hit it twice or do ^+space | 17:05 |
| kerio | L29Ah: unlock the screen if it's on | 17:06 |
| kerio | or turn it on if it's not on | 17:06 |
| L29Ah | lol wow | 17:06 |
| L29Ah | this time it reacted to the power button | 17:06 |
| L29Ah | :* | 17:07 |
| L29Ah | it failed to calibrate the battery again ;[ | 17:09 |
| L29Ah | stuck at 2038 mAh | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from 2038 you will need ~4 calibration runs | 17:16 |
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| L29Ah | /usr/sbin/i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0xcc; #just in case... | 17:29 |
| L29Ah | /usr/sbin/i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80; # timer reset | 17:29 |
| L29Ah | i wonder what does this do | 17:29 |
| L29Ah | anyway thanks | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can elaborate on it, if you really wanna know | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "timer reset" is rather self explanatory, it tickles the watchdog timer | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "just in case" is the disabling of charging which shouldn't be needed to get repeated in the loop, it's done before loop starts | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both are I2C commands sent to the bq24150 charger chip | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bq24150 has a watchdog timer that resets the chip when it expires after 15 to 32 seconds | 17:46 |
| L29Ah | why is bme stopped? | 17:46 |
| * L29Ah tries to get how is it different than w/o the script | 17:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because bme would configure the bq24150 to do charging | 17:46 |
| L29Ah | ah ok | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so we stop bme, tell the chip to NOT charge and tickle chip's watchdog until the bq27200 gas gauge finished calibration | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once calibration accomplished, we restart bme and thus charging | 17:48 |
| L29Ah | i wonder why did it fail to get my battery calibrated before | 17:50 |
| L29Ah | i charged it until i got the valid discharge flag enabled | 17:51 |
| L29Ah | and left it to die | 17:51 |
| L29Ah | it died in some weeks but nothing changed | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly bme shut down system before calibration accomplished | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the comments and stdout echo's in that script were meant to be sufficiently expanatory. I wonder how to improve that | 17:52 |
| L29Ah | they're fine | 17:53 |
| L29Ah | you can improve that putting a link to the datasheet in a comment :3 | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k :-) | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | reload please | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: the calibration is doing a max 1/6 adjustment per cycle iirc | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2038 *5/6 | 18:13 |
| infobot | 1698.333333333333 | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1698 * 5/6 | 18:13 |
| infobot | 1415 | 18:13 |
| L29Ah | ~2038 * 7/6 | 18:13 |
| infobot | 2377.666666666667 | 18:13 |
| L29Ah | i thought you meant this ;3 | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it is limited both direction probably | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for details check datasheet | 18:14 |
| Sicelo | good explanation .. but i still don't quite get the whole bq24150 & bq27200 thing ... why do we seemingly have two different chips for (i guess) the same thing? the same question is also valid for the related kernel modules ... some have blacklisted bq27x00_battery, some havent .. :( | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly it even was 1/8 | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: bq27200 is meter, bq24150 is charger | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and the bq27200 kernel module conflicts with BME since it opens a chan to chip exclusively | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when bme is already started when the bq27200 module gets loaded, it prolly still works. But when you (re)start BME after module been loaded, BME segfaults or craps out in some way | 18:17 |
| Sicelo | ok. makes sense. since i started using the replacement bme, i can no longer use any of the i2c scripts (yours and bq27200.sh) ... and bnf doesn't really give me all the info i like | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in KP <49(?) it was even worse, somebody hacked the complete I2C kernel driver so it ignores all locks, possibly resulting in hazardous collisions on I2C bus | 18:18 |
| L29Ah | failed to find interesting "6" entries in the both of the datasheets | 18:20 |
| L29Ah | k | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it should be pretty easy to relace the I2C calls in whatever scropt by cta /sys/foo/bar/bq27200/(capacity|state|whatever) | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: it's a "15% change max" or similar wording | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in bq27200 DS | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >> Each new SI value is computed as follows: SINEW = (15/16)*SIOLD + (1/16)*AI<< for example | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | here you are: >> the LMD value is restricted to a maximum LMD learn-down during any single learning discharge of LMD/8.<< | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I been wrong 2 times: 1. it's only for learn-DOWN (not up, 7/6) 2. it's a fraction (LMD/8), not a percentage | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, lemme reppst that gibberish | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it should be pretty easy to replace the I2C calls in whatever script by `cat /sys/foo/bar/bq27200/(capacity|state|whatever)` | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (when you use the bq27k kernel module) | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pali's bme-replacement has a built-in mode to calibrate, iirc | 18:34 |
| Pali | just discharge battery until bme-replacement send event (to mce/dsme) to turn phone off | 18:35 |
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| Pali | there is no auto reboot | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 18:41 |
| Pali | just shutdown when bq detect empty battery | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't stop N900 from booting when VBUS 5V from charger applied | 18:41 |
| L29Ah | > EDVF=3000 | 18:42 |
| L29Ah | i wonder if the device can run on 3V | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it should | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also note that for calibration cycle you need EDV1, not EDVF | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2038 *7/8 *7/8 *7/8 *7/8 | 18:46 |
| infobot | 1194.63818359375 | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | four cycles, toldya | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2038 *7/8 *7/8 *7/8 | 18:47 |
| infobot | 1365.30078125 | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, with a very good battery 3 | 18:47 |
| L29Ah | i need to reach 5A*h :/ | 18:48 |
| L29Ah | https://dump.bitcheese.net/files/avijeju/n900-cutie.jpeg | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice ;-D | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, learning-UP allegedly works in one cycle | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I wonder where's the upper limit for bq27200 LMD | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~0xffff * 1 | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~65535 /20 | 18:53 |
| infobot | 3276.75 | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bad luck, 3277mAh | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~65535 *3.57 /20 | 18:54 |
| infobot | 11697.997499999999 | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LMD unit: 3.57Vh ; Divide by Rs in milliohms to convert μV to mA or μVh to mAh. | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LMD unit: 3.57µVh ; Divide by Rs in milliohms to convert μV to mA or μVh to mAh. | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so even when it might be signed, it's still 32768 * 3.57 / 20 -> ~5Ah | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (whether system can run at 3V) TPS65950 datasheet >>2.7 V is the minimum threshold for the battery at which the device will turn OFF<< | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=tps65950+system+shutdown+voltage+threshold | 19:03 |
| L29Ah | :* | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this however does NOT apply for modem which will bail aut at dunno 3.3V or sth already | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | out* | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so at end of discharge, expect to see a No-SIM icon or similar indication/note | 19:08 |
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| ecc3g | The earphone piece on the n900 is spring contacted and not soldered, right? | 19:37 |
| ecc3g | I hope it's just reactivating/cleaning the contacts to fix the earphone on my n900... | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | most likely its broke | 19:39 |
| veikko | I bought my n900 for 50 euros. Did I pay too much of it? It's flawless because it hasn't been used longer than approximately a year. | 19:41 |
| L29Ah | ecc3g: yep | 19:41 |
| KotCzarny | veikko, depends, but more important, is it of use to you? | 19:42 |
| veikko | it's a fun toy | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | phone part works in any phone | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | but to appreciate n900 you have to be linux freak (a bit) | 19:43 |
| veikko | I just installed debian chroot on it | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | do you like to listen to music? | 19:43 |
| L29Ah | propaganda mode enabled | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | propaganda is one way | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | i gather feedback too | 19:44 |
| L29Ah | i bought mine for ~$40, still dunno if it made sense as i'm yet to switch to it from my dying android junk | 19:45 |
| L29Ah | so it just wastes my time on perfectionism :] | 19:45 |
| ecc3g | so the earphone tends to break? how so? | 19:45 |
| ecc3g | hmm | 19:45 |
| veikko | KotCzarny: I use it for running emacs, firefox, necroplayer, xterminal, fm radio | 19:45 |
| ecc3g | where can I get another n900 for $50 USD... | 19:46 |
| veikko | I should change firefox for something lighter, maybe dillo? | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | veikko: would you like to try the best alternative player? | 19:46 |
| veikko | yes sir | 19:46 |
| * ecc3g just bought an android phone in case the n900 cant be resurrected cheaply :( | 19:46 | |
| L29Ah | ecc3g: https://www.avito.ru/rossiya/telefony/nokia?q=nokia+n900&s=1 | 19:47 |
| ecc3g | this android phone sucks. I hate android... *sigh* lesser of two evils however... | 19:47 |
| L29Ah | /58 to get usd | 19:47 |
| veikko | KotCzarny: what it is? | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | veikko: oscp | 19:49 |
| veikko | how it is better | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | all features here | 19:49 |
| veikko | is it stable? | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, quite a bit, some bugs are still lurking, but overall stable and i use it daily | 19:50 |
| ecc3g | hmm... i should look for a cheap defective one that has some other problem... =\ | 19:52 |
| veikko | parameter equalizer would be perfect | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | veikko: if you find me nice and fast algo i can add it | 19:53 |
| ecc3g | not sure I want to import one though...hmm... | 19:54 |
| ecc3g | Should see if I can get the one my coworker has but doesn't want any more...would be nice if I could get it for a song... | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | grab some adroid phone and swap? | 19:54 |
| L29Ah | ecc3g: why don't you buy the earpiece on ebay? | 19:55 |
| veikko | KotCzarny: I use TAP Equalizer (LADSPA) in linux. could you use its code? | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, if i can rip it out, ill look into it | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<ecc3g> The earphone piece)) yep | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: it's a known "issue" that the spring contacts of earphone jack might need cleaning to make proper contact to PCB pads | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | using unvarnished carton to wipe off any oxids and dirt usually helps a lot | 20:07 |
| esaym153 | what maemo used for now?? | 20:11 |
| esaym153 | so old, surprised to see people still in here... | 20:12 |
| esaym153 | my n810 has only functioned as an alarm clock for like the last 4 years,, lol | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | i use my n900 continuously since 2009 | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | esaym153: install oscp on it, it will have new life | 20:12 |
| L29Ah | esaym153: n900 users there mostly | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | but, n8x0 is still alive too | 20:14 |
| * esaym153 googles oscp | 20:14 | |
| KotCzarny | google oscp player | 20:14 |
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| ecc3g | alas no, minimum the coworker would trade is an apple. | 20:25 |
| ecc3g | (if it was a trade...) | 20:25 |
| KotCzarny | ecc3g: those iphones 3/4 are quite cheap nowadays | 20:26 |
| ecc3g | i think he already has a 5 | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | maybe he wants to have another for kids | 20:27 |
| ecc3g | has no kids | 20:28 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe he wants to have kids | 20:28 |
| ecc3g | so hence hopefully he'll give up the n900 for almost nothing... | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((equalizer)) already exists | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1475&faq=34 | 20:31 |
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| KotCzarny | doc, does it work for any pulseaudio stream or only mafw ones? | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's mafw aiui | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | so mafw/gst only | 20:49 |
| bencoh | no, just mafw (excluding gst) | 20:53 |
| bencoh | it replaces the stock mafw gst backend ("renderer") and adds eq support | 20:53 |
| bencoh | veikko: dillo is great, but there is no JS support | 20:54 |
| bencoh | and css support isnt "complete" either | 20:55 |
| L29Ah | i need an "optimized for dillo" button | 20:56 |
| bencoh | <3 | 20:58 |
| bencoh | http://www.dillo.org/css_compat/index.html | 20:59 |
| bencoh | and ... that's just for css1 iirc | 20:59 |
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| veikko | bencoh: love the design. too bad that the modern web sucks | 21:45 |
| veikko | should probably avoid the sites anyway that dillo can't render with the old phone | 21:49 |
| bencoh | hmm ... | 21:50 |
| bencoh | that means dropping support for mostly everything useful "on the go" | 21:50 |
| bencoh | but yeah, modern web sucks | 21:50 |
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| ecc3g | modern web = "I want your clients to be a VM so I can run what I want on your computer" ... | 21:58 |
| ecc3g | dont think we'll ever see "here's the data, you can show it however you want" | 21:59 |
| ecc3g | anymore, that is | 21:59 |
| L29Ah | well, lots of web services provide access to theirs api | 22:00 |
| ecc3g | but you're not running it on your computer | 22:00 |
| L29Ah | running what? | 22:00 |
| ecc3g | code that access their API | 22:00 |
| L29Ah | i listen music on vk.com and searching google for youtube videos, all without a browser | 22:00 |
| ecc3g | it's the second server that runs that code, then sends you the stuff to run on your computer | 22:01 |
| L29Ah | what | 22:01 |
| ecc3g | that's the "ideal world" these "content providers" want | 22:01 |
| L29Ah | what | 22:02 |
| ecc3g | so you cant pirate their media | 22:02 |
| ecc3g | use the media how they want it to be used - consume only - never shared... That will cost you. | 22:03 |
| L29Ah | what? | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | i saw a slogan some time ago: 'own nothing, have everything' | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | (it was for cable or something, but idea is striking) | 22:04 |
| ecc3g | ... if you pay for it | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | sure, that's the fine print | 22:04 |
| L29Ah | i just don't see the problem you're talking about | 22:04 |
| ecc3g | devil's in the details | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: closed firmware blobs is just part of it | 22:05 |
| L29Ah | paid only once for an intangible stuff in my whole lifetime | 22:05 |
| L29Ah | shared it in torrents just after this | 22:05 |
| L29Ah | http://l29ah.blasux.ru/music/fav/ is up for ~6 years, no problems | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | you live in a country where intelectual property isnt of such value for the sharks yet | 22:05 |
| ecc3g | heh... yeah .ru and .cn ... | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | in .pl it was the same 5-20 years ago | 22:06 |
| L29Ah | anyway i won't lose anything worthy | 22:06 |
| ecc3g | me, i'm in the world of lockdown. Fortunately I care not for most of the media out there today. | 22:07 |
| L29Ah | er, exceph sci-hub and libgen | 22:07 |
| L29Ah | is tor banned in .pl? | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | not yet | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | and piracy still thrives | 22:08 |
| ecc3g | tor = circumvention, has nothing to do with the ideals of the content creators/providers | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | but there are movements from the sharks | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | ie. they start raiding people who pirate things for money | 22:08 |
| ecc3g | best you can hope for is reject the media. | 22:09 |
| ecc3g | don't want the stuff they sell. | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | many do want fastfood for the brain | 22:09 |
| ecc3g | yes that's very unfortunate | 22:10 |
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| Ras_Older | Am I doing something wrong here but I just cannot figure out how to change setting values in MicroB when at about:config. I see the lines I would like to change but theres the problem: how do I modify these values? When I press for long on the value I would like to change nothing opens - or is there some trick that I'm not aware of? | 22:55 |
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| KotCzarny | try pressing enter? | 22:56 |
| Ras_Older | What I'm trying to do is just to enhance the security of the browser by disabling insecure SSL/TLS methods. I also tried modifying via user.js file, rebooted n900 and checked that those values had updated to prefs.js but still the device is using those insecure methods. | 22:57 |
| Ras_Older | KotCzarny: Thank you. I am an idiot for not trying out something so bloody obvious :D | 22:58 |
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| KotCzarny | nah, its just that about:config is kind of hack in microb | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | you also need to be aware that changes you make don't "stick" .. close the UI and they are gone | 23:02 |
| Ras_Older | So editing via the user.js is really the only way to modify the settings? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't there a "save" button somewhere? | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | i think setting images load to disable was a sticky there | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | i might be wrong tho | 23:04 |
| Sicelo | i mean in about:config | 23:04 |
| Ras_Older | Could it be that it saves those changes directly to prefs.js which gets "reset" when the daemon restarts? | 23:04 |
| Sicelo | exactly | 23:04 |
| Ras_Older | pffft should never try the easy way to do anything :D | 23:05 |
| Sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1237403&postcount=1 ... | 23:06 |
| Ras_Older | I'm just curious but does anyone happen to know the reason for why it resets those settings everytime it restarts? | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I thought there was a "save" button at the bottom | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'm pretty sure my edits were sticky | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly it's similar to xchat, which doesn't write back settings until you quit it regularly | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so either a normal closing of browser instance or a killall browserd might do | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (no killall -9 !) | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | maybe -USR ? | 23:19 |
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| kerio | just accept that maemo is unsafe | 23:33 |
| kerio | we only have until december, anyway | 23:33 |
| Ras_Older | Yes it is to quite some extent. N900 is my go to "linux" toy with which I experiment when bored. | 23:34 |
| Ras_Older | Of course there would be those Raspberry Pis lying around but.. I like this one better :D | 23:35 |
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