IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2015-07-07

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GadgetoidI can still install apps onto my N810... amazing00:06
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* Maxdamantus wonders if having an N900 connected with USB while off works as a backup to the battery that keeps the RTC/bq272xx things alive.09:31
* Maxdamantus has to change his SIM card soon.09:32
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KotCzarnymost likely not09:36
KotCzarnybut if you switch battery quick you have a chance09:36
KotCzarnythough if you change battery it should rre-learn anyway09:37
MaxdamantusProbably can't do it that quick.09:37
MaxdamantusCurrently have a few slices of paper in too.09:38
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MaxdamantusI sometimes shut it down by lifting the battery up for a split second, which doesn't reset the battery information.09:39
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bencohMaxdamantus: I changed my SIM card a week ago, and still have CI=009:48
MaxdamantusYeah, but is your backup battery dead?09:49
bencohthere is a capacitor to keep the bq27 memory alive09:49
bencohprobably, since I had to reset the time clock09:49
MaxdamantusHm. I think I do remember losing the time a while ago but not having to redo the bq information.09:50
Maxdamantusbut I didn't take it fully out, maybe it's okay.09:51
bencohMaxdamantus: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2015-02-05.log.html#t2015-02-05T13:11:0709:55
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MaxdamantusOkay.09:57
bencohI did a worst-case computation to know how long it would last without battery back then (based on I_max of RBI, C, and VPOR) but I kinda forgot the result09:59
bencohiirc we have at least a min or something in that magnitude order09:59
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MaxdamantusHm. Wonder if my work is going to give me the right factor SIM card .. dunno how common 1FFs are today.11:45
MaxdamantusThey asked for my phone number and ICCID, don't think the form factor.11:46
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MaxdamantusOh, maybe microSIMs embedded in a full SIM bracket thing are common.11:47
Maxdamantuseh, not full/micro .. confusing names .. mini/nano, maybe.11:49
Maxdamantusor mini/micro11:49
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KotCzarnyyeah, usually you get normal sim bracketed to smaller factors12:00
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zGrrmoin :)12:12
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chem|sttalk is getting INDEX reset due to malfunctioning searches (may take a couple of hours and talk may be very unresponsive)15:16
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kaizerslawtenhi guys16:13
kaizerslawtensomeone live?16:14
kaizerslawtenNeed a little help, my Nokia N900 lost IMEI number.16:23
kaizerslawtenThink that ANATEL exclude remotely my IMEI, someone have a case similar?16:24
kaizerslawtenMy device is now a Tablet, not have 3G broadband :-(16:25
WizzupWhat do you mean 'lost'16:26
kaizerslawtenI typing code "#*06#", response is  "IMEI: "16:27
kaizerslawtenI'm brazillian my english is poor , sorry my bad english :(16:29
WizzupWeird. Wait a bit for other people to respond16:33
WizzupThey may know16:33
auenf*#06#16:33
Wizzupon IRC it can take a few hours for people to respond16:33
auenfdoes *#0000# work?16:34
kaizerslawtenSorry I'm newbie in IRC16:34
auenfdowngraded software at any time?16:36
kaizerslawtentyping code *#0000# works, respond with version of firmware "V20.2010.36-2.002" RX-51, NOKIA N90016:37
auenfhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6373016:38
auenfmight be help16:38
auenfbut i'm not sure exactly what you need to do16:40
kerioi'm going to guess that your modem is busted16:40
kaizerslawtenI donwgraded FW for testing and brick device :-(16:41
keriocan't brick a n90016:41
kerioif the modem is busted, the modem is busted16:42
keriothat's a hardware problem16:42
kerioa fairly common one, iirc16:42
auenferr, one of the threads said imei gone missing is something that happens when downgrading16:42
kerioneat, then just re-upgrade16:43
auenfthat'd be the first thing to try16:43
auenffull flash of whatever you had before16:43
kaizerslawtenRepository of Images FW, someone have a mirror?16:44
kerio~pr13116:45
keriohm, infobot's gone16:45
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kaizerslawtenNeed a Link for download a firmware,17:03
kaizerslawtenI try change number IMEI with ifconfig and don't works :-(17:07
kaizerslawtenSomeone have a mirror of Firmwares Repository of Nokia N900?17:09
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Humpelst1lzchenkaizerslawten: check the topic17:22
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Humpelst1lzchenkaizerslawten: did I tell you to query me?17:33
kaizerslawtenHumpelst1lzchen don't understand, you for check a topic.17:36
kaizerslawtensorry my english is very poor17:37
kaizerslawtenHumpelst1lzchen don't understand, you say for me check a topic.17:37
KotCzarnyuh oh17:40
KotCzarnydreaded 'imei gone'17:41
ZetaRkaizerslawten: He means the IRC room's topic. When you say the words that start with "~", there is supposed to be a robot that is in the room that says a reply, but it is gone right now (for some reason).17:42
ZetaRI sent him a private message with info on a place to get the firmware.17:42
kaizerslawtenNow I understand :D17:42
DocScrutinizer05kaizerslawten: +#06# *always* succeeds, no matter if SIM or no SIM. Sio remove SIM, try again. If fail, try:17:47
DocScrutinizer05~flashing17:47
DocScrutinizer05:-/17:47
KotCzarnydoc: it succeed3ed, just showed empty imei17:48
KotCzarnywhich is the case with downgrading or bad modem17:48
DocScrutinizer05that's ame a s no IMEI17:48
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KotCzarny*#06# clearly shows 'imei: '17:49
DocScrutinizer05so?17:49
KotCzarnyso thats what everyone calls it17:49
DocScrutinizer05on my phone it clearly shows "IMEI: <myIMEI#>", despite no SIM17:49
KotCzarnyyeah, but with bad flash/modem it will show empty imei17:50
KotCzarnywhich is his casde17:50
KotCzarny*case17:50
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's why I suggested ~flashing17:50
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KotCzarnyand as i remember from tmo, reflash doesnt help17:50
DocScrutinizer05~flashing17:50
auenfyou dont need a sim to make certain calls, but if the modem doesnt have an imei you probably cant call 112 :P17:50
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh17:50
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: when reflash doesn't help, you're suffering the broken modem solder points issue and have a defect device17:51
kaizerslawteninfobot: Go test this17:51
DocScrutinizer05kaizerslawten: it's a bot17:52
DocScrutinizer05~tell kaizerslawten about flashing17:52
kaizerslawtenI'm Newbie in IRC17:52
DocScrutinizer05that's why I tell you :-)17:53
DocScrutinizer05you got a linux PC?17:53
DocScrutinizer05if yes, I recommend my http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz17:54
DocScrutinizer05very convenient17:54
DocScrutinizer05remove any SIM during flashing!17:56
KotCzarnyhmm, since when its a requirement?17:57
DocScrutinizer05we seen broken SIM throwing sticks at modem so it didn't come up17:57
kaizerslawtenDocScrutinizer05: Have a PC Linux17:57
DocScrutinizer05kaizerslawten: then do what infobot suggested :-)17:58
kaizerslawtenDebian Linux17:58
DocScrutinizer05it's self explanatory17:58
DocScrutinizer05download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh17:58
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DocScrutinizer05in a shell of course :-)18:04
DocScrutinizer05at least the last part. For first two parts you can use Ark, Konqueror, kget/wget whatever you like18:05
chem|stkaizerslawten: are you from where your name suggests you are?18:08
DocScrutinizer05auenf: you can't call 112 without SIM anymore, in Germany (Europe?)18:12
DocScrutinizer05got disabled allegedly due to constant abuse18:13
kaizerslawtenI'm from Brazil18:13
DocScrutinizer05but no matter what they did on network, they can't delete your IMEI form modem18:13
DocScrutinizer05(well, *usually*. Of course there are ways...)18:14
kaizerslawtenHe announce in National TV, that non-homologate IMEIs don't in Brazil18:15
DocScrutinizer05actually modem manufs invest a great deal of effort into making sure _nobody_ can alter/delete the modem IMEI18:15
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KotCzarnythey can block imei, but not modify it remotely18:16
DocScrutinizer05IMEI is like vehicle identification number /VIN/18:16
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: exactly18:16
DocScrutinizer05block == not allow the modem to register to network18:16
kaizerslawtenexactly18:20
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kaizerslawtenThank you all for support!18:24
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DocScrutinizer05kaizerslawten: please let me know if yu have any problems with http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz18:32
DocScrutinizer05no matter which ones18:34
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RzRanyone from greece beside qwazix ?23:30
qwazixguess not, everyone is glued to the tv now23:30
RzRthe newest one :)23:31
RzRbtw did china reacted to the situation ?23:31
RzRthey're owning athen's port doesnt they ?23:31
KotCzarnyO.o23:32
qwazixnot completely, but yeah23:32
KotCzarnywhat are you talking about?23:33
qwazixthey didn't say anything meaningful afail23:33
RzRthere is an ongoing similar story in france23:33
qwazixk*23:33
RzRKotCzarny, we relocated a conversation about greece here ;)23:33
qwazixRzR what?23:33
RzRand qwazix deserve moral support23:33
RzRqwazix, toulouse's airport is about to be sold to some china company23:34
qwazixit's good to chat with someone outside23:34
qwazix:nod:23:34
RzRI dont know details of the deal but it is generating some buzz too23:34
RzRespecialy when buyer is impossible to be located23:35
qwazixthe piraeus deal caused some buzz but it died down quickly. They seem to be getting along23:35
RzRwhat about other currency in the country ?23:37
qwazixthat's being introduced as an idea every day and then denied the next23:37
RzRI just sold my last USD last weekend23:38
qwazixIMO it will be a disaster23:38
KotCzarnyO.o23:38
qwazixit will hurt tourism and services (the only things that still somehow work here)23:38
RzRI suppose local currencies are not the perfect answer23:39
RzRwhat will hurt tourism ? non euro currencies ?23:39
qwazixGreece has a long history of currency devaluation. Nothing indicates thia time will be different23:39
RzRbtw I am wondering how big is greece's private debt compared to the state one ?23:40
qwazixyeah, tourists like to use their home currency, they spend more :p23:40
qwazixI don't remember but IIRC not too high23:40
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qwazixit's a cash driven economy and traditionally people keep property/land23:41
RzRwell it worth to compare because I've been told it it much higher in france or worldwide ?23:41
qwazixprobably is. Mortgage and refinancing is not as common as elsewhere, driving the total debt number23:42
qwazixdown23:43
KotCzarnywell, state debt IS people's debt23:44
qwazixit is23:44
KotCzarnyin a way it's the people that will feel it23:44
qwazixthe thing is that there are actually reforms, state expenditure is down around 30% from 5 years ago23:45
qwazixbut this is not communicated well23:45
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qwazixpeople think we are just eating money23:46
qwazixmy battery is dying23:47
qwazixgood night and sorry for the channel spam...23:47
KotCzarny:)23:47
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RzRqwazix, take care qwazix23:49

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