IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2015-07-03

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{-0-}Hi, trying to stop tracker from adding mahjong sounds etc into media player and having no joy at all00:28
{-0-}IndexMountedDirectories= false00:28
{-0-}WatchDirectoryRoots = $HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/;$HOME/MyDocs/.documents/;$HOME/MyDocs/.videos/;$HOME/MyDocs/.images/;$HOME/MyDocs/.camera/;/media/mmc1p4/tunes/;00:30
{-0-}NoWatchDirectory = $HOME/MyDocs/;/media/mmc1/tmp/;/media/mmc1/cities/;/home/opt/;/opt/;00:30
{-0-}and still they appear, any suggestions?00:30
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KotCzarnykill tracker at all00:34
KotCzarnyi think there is an app for configuring tracker tho00:34
{-0-}tracker-cfg? doesn't seem to work any better than my blunt hammerings above00:36
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KotCzarnymaybe trackerd overwrites your changes?00:37
KotCzarnyor something else00:37
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Siceloran `tracker-processes -r` to remove old indexes?01:11
Siceloby the way, which mahjong are we talking about here? stock?01:13
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Siceloit is redundant to have $HOME/MyDocs/ in the NoWatchDirectory option .. that directory is already not tracked.01:18
Sicelomy suggestion is to just delete your current tracker.cfg, restart tracker. this will create a fresh default tracker.cfg which should not index game files.01:20
* Sicelo has found tracker to not be so bad :)01:22
Siceloin fact i like it now01:22
KotCzarnytoo much hassle, too little gain01:22
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{-0-}yup, ran 'tracker-processes -r' after each attempt. Mahjong, don't know about version, the welcome screen has a picture of 2 tiles and a the word Mahjong in white lettering on a gold background and a choice of 8 boards if that helps.01:50
{-0-}I'll backup tracker.cfg and delete it and try again01:50
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{-0-}ooh, the tracker.cfg that was recreated has lots of lovely comments in it!01:56
{-0-}nope, it's still picking up /opt/usr/share/sounds and /opt/maemo/usr/share/sounds02:00
KotCzarnyhmm, wasnt there an option to put .nomedia file in dir to prevent it from indexing? or was that android thing, hrm02:01
{-0-}KotCzarny, if you don't use the tracker, how do you add tunes etc to the media player?02:06
KotCzarnyit's simple, i hate it. and i use oscp02:06
KotCzarnyproblem solved02:06
{-0-}oscp?02:10
KotCzarnyhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9459002:10
{-0-}ah :)02:11
{-0-}thank you, I'll give it a shot02:11
KotCzarnymind you, its directory/file based, not tag/metadata02:11
KotCzarnyif your library is ordered as such, you will love it02:12
{-0-}it is, my music collection is the only tidy thing in my life :)02:14
KotCzarny:)02:14
KotCzarnyyou will love it then, its highly flexible and has plenty of features02:14
KotCzarnyby default its audio only, but you can enable video play too02:16
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{-0-}KotCzarny, Nice! I like it!02:45
KotCzarny:)02:46
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KotCzarnydont be afraid to ask if you find bugs or have some feature ideas02:46
KotCzarnyand dont forget to read included help, it explains few things02:47
{-0-}the lifebelt icon :)02:50
{-0-}nice touch02:50
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{-0-}bedtime, with tunes, ta!02:52
KotCzarny:)02:52
KotCzarnybtw. you can close gui02:52
KotCzarnyso it will not drain battery when tunes stop02:52
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pentanolhi all06:43
pentanolsomeone know, can I connect flash or cardreader with http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzg3WDc4Nw==/z/zncAAOxyyjpRxCFi/$(KGrHqVHJFYFG93wVJ72BR)CFiZdqw~~60_57.JPG06:43
pentanolto my n900 ?06:43
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r00t^homepentanol: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode09:39
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pentanolr00t^home I have value in there b_idle10:02
pentanoland after I do echo otg > /sys.../mode it happens well, but after cat this in /sys it cat's b_idle10:02
pentanoland I can't change it to host value10:03
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pentanolI can't install usbcontroll.install on my n90010:09
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Vajbdid anyone battle with not working tomtom navigator?11:03
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r00t^homeoh noes, i gave him the wrong google result and he didn't read the big fat warning on top11:40
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KotCzarnytick tock tick tock .. boom?11:58
L29Ahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e5KpKUgSVA11:59
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Sicelohaha, too much hassle with tracker KotCzarny?13:44
Sicelo{-0-}: you're probably the only one getting those directories indexed. are you absolutely sure that's what tracker indexed? or you perhaps have a copy of those directories in MyDocs/ somehow?13:45
Sicelofind the PID of `mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer`13:49
Sicelothen play one of the sounds via the media player, and at the same time run `lsof -p PID` to see which file is actually being accessed13:51
KotCzarnysicelo: trackers are nice when your files have proper metadata, quite a big chunk doesn't, so one need to fallback to directory/name anyway13:55
KotCzarnyie. making tracker unneeded13:55
DocScrutinizer05alas gallery needs it, or I had killed it years ago13:57
Sicelonot necessarily. you still eliminate the need to browse/sort/order your directories. and yes,  it also helps a lot with pictures13:57
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Sicelohi DocScrutinizer05 :)13:57
DocScrutinizer05hi!13:58
KotCzarnydoc: just use any replacement13:58
KotCzarny:)13:58
DocScrutinizer05:nod: indeed a modified filemanager might serve same purpose better13:59
KotCzarnyi shall tidy up my oscv (pic viewer) one day and release it properly13:59
DocScrutinizer05anyway tracker once had a bug which defeated proper exclude(?) statements in config from working14:00
KotCzarnyit handles rarer file formats, animated gifs etc14:00
DocScrutinizer05fixed in CSSU14:00
DocScrutinizer05afaik14:00
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KotCzarnydoc, i like the android way of excluding dirs: if a directory contains file named .nomedia its skipped (and subdirs too)14:00
DocScrutinizer05cool14:01
KotCzarnywho manages trackerd ?14:01
DocScrutinizer05not new but cool14:01
DocScrutinizer05*shrug*14:01
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/tracker/14:02
KotCzarnyunmaintained14:03
DocScrutinizer05sure. it's core14:03
DocScrutinizer05ask CSSU14:03
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DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog ^F: tracker14:09
DocScrutinizer05>>Properly care about NoWatch list for discovered removable devices.<<14:10
* DocScrutinizer05 got cssu-t and has no particular problemns like above with tracker, anymore. In early times it was common to have IRreco buttons in gallery and all sorts of sounds in mediaplayer14:11
KotCzarnywouldnt it scan all /opt apps sounds?14:13
DocScrutinizer05I think it doesn't, and shouldn't14:15
DocScrutinizer05in early maemo5 it did14:16
DocScrutinizer05I most recently had issues when tracker kicked in during call due to recaler creating a new file, prolly I need to exclude my calls/ dir in my mp3/ folder14:17
APicDocScrutinizer05: Ahhh, You are herein again! Welcome back!  *Handshake*14:21
DocScrutinizer05tried if I can cope with it14:22
DocScrutinizer05so far it feels ok14:22
DocScrutinizer05APic: ta!14:22
APicTakaaa, You managed it!14:24
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DocScrutinizer05ever heard of devuan? your smart CSSU devels and council are about to create a cooperation with them, to keep maemo alive14:35
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KotCzarnyis it good or bad?14:36
DocScrutinizer05very good, in my book14:37
DocScrutinizer05https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2015-06-29/?msg=43187784&page=214:37
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DocScrutinizer05it actually could be the incarnation of maemo as a 100% proper free distro14:40
DocScrutinizer05the integration point of CSSU and FSF with Devuan14:41
KotCzarnywould be nice to have modern libs etc14:42
DocScrutinizer05that wuld be in reach then14:43
DocScrutinizer05anyway this will be the future base aka "upstream" for maemo genuine, since debian is moving to systemd which is *not* compatible with maemo at all14:44
KotCzarnyto be honest, im happy with stock fremantle, but wouldnt mind the options14:46
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Wizzupwould be great to have newer libs14:46
Wizzupand updated sw14:46
DocScrutinizer05you can't port future debian packages to stock maemo14:46
DocScrutinizer05and eventually CSSU guys can't backport bugfixes from debian either. At least not without much effort14:47
KotCzarnyyeah, but for now it serves me well as a phone/media player/hacking console14:48
DocScrutinizer05sure, that's why we should try to keep it alive :-)14:48
DocScrutinizer05*I* realy want armel packages (cmdline at least) that simply install and work on maemo. Devuan could provide those14:50
DocScrutinizer05armel deb pkgs that is14:50
KotCzarnyyes, old armel packages work out of the box14:51
KotCzarnyi have grabbed a bunch in the time (ntpdate and others)14:51
DocScrutinizer05new ones won't, eventually14:51
DocScrutinizer05debian is drifting away14:51
DocScrutinizer05devuan explicitly is about compatibility14:52
DocScrutinizer05particularly now when we get a devuan900 image14:53
WizzupOf course, as glibc and many other packages update, you won't be able to get the newer ones anymore14:53
WizzupGenerally having a more up to date distro is always good14:53
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that needs special care. But *usually* libs should be able to coexist in different versions. not glibc maybe14:54
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DocScrutinizer05but unlike debian + systemd that forces in glibc (and prolly a particular version of it), devuan allows arbitrary (g)libs14:55
DocScrutinizer05so odds are devuan will serve maemo better than future debian14:56
L29AhDocScrutinizer05: sure it doesn't allow arbitrary libc14:57
DocScrutinizer05anyway, afk. cya14:57
L29Ahw/o recompiling everything14:57
DocScrutinizer05devuan is/has a buildjost14:57
DocScrutinizer05host*14:58
KotCzarnyl29ah: but once you have the image and compilation infra you can recompile easily14:58
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DocScrutinizer05thus on devuan you *can* compile devuan900 with the glibc you like. Unlike debian which manfates a certain version, due to systemd14:59
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DocScrutinizer05madates. sorry afk now, for good14:59
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KotCzarnymanfate is nice new word14:59
KotCzarny:)14:59
DocScrutinizer05that happens when optical feedback completely lacks15:00
DocScrutinizer05thus afk until that changes15:00
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{-0-}Sicelo, good call! *hangs head in shame* I'd backed up /home to /media/mmc1p4 and that's where it was finding it21:00
{-0-}I'll tar that up and put it out of reach and try again.21:01
{-0-}Think I'll stick with oscp for day to day though, it fits my tune collection perfectly21:01
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Sicelo{-0-}: you're welcome :) and do enjoy oscp, and vote for it on the package interface22:34
Siceloi'd say if you permanently move to oscp, you might find it useful to tell tracker to stop indexing your music directories. might save you some precious CPU time (when building the database)22:37
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