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| -wilhelm.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 10:28 | |
| kerio | that's not the point | 10:28 |
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| kerio | how do you test stuff | 10:28 |
| kerio | do you just copy the whole source directory | 10:28 |
| kerio | that's idiotic | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | i dont | 10:28 |
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| KotCzarny | l29ah, just out of curiosity, why are you reconnecting so often? | 11:08 |
| L29Ah | i'm in the moscow subway using its crappy wifi | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | run the irssi in a screen at home? | 11:09 |
| L29Ah | too much of a hassle | 11:09 |
| L29Ah | i want all my im stuff in one app | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | app? | 11:09 |
| L29Ah | i guess after tkabber get the proper support for stream management, it will stop being an issue | 11:10 |
| L29Ah | *gets | 11:10 |
| L29Ah | it's in progress atm | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | ok, another idea, just run the irc bouncer proxy at home, then connect tkabber to it (it's seen as a irc server externally) | 11:10 |
| L29Ah | i know about bouncers, too lazy to get em up | 11:13 |
| L29Ah | i don't use irc this much | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, sure | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 11:14 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: hmm ? | 11:50 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, thought you were the repository.maemo.org maintainer | 11:53 |
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| bencoh | I'm not :) | 11:56 |
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| bencoh | hmm m.erlin1991 iirc | 12:03 |
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| L29Ah | i wonder where do i get mafw_proxy_source_get_type() from | 13:09 |
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| KotCzarny | afaik mafw isnt open | 13:09 |
| L29Ah | ;[ | 13:10 |
| antranigv | okey, why chmod +x program is not working? | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | antranigv: because /home is mounted noexec ? | 13:10 |
| antranigv | oops | 13:10 |
| antranigv | what | 13:11 |
| antranigv | ./home or /home/MyDocs? | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | if you really need space for software, create a 2GB file, make ext3 on it, then mount via -o loop | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | antranigv: i would bet on whole /home | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | mount |grep home | 13:12 |
| antranigv | ah or I can put it in /home/opt. only mydocs are noexec | 13:12 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: no it's not | 13:12 |
| bencoh | (?) | 13:12 |
| antranigv | for some reason /home/opt on /opt | 13:12 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: see libmafw0 | 13:12 |
| L29Ah | so i don't have a free dsp mp3 decoder? ;[ | 13:12 |
| L29Ah | bencoh: nope | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: try gstreamer | 13:13 |
| L29Ah | actually i want some gui player | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | just grab any gstreamer gui | 13:13 |
| antranigv | mplayer? | 13:13 |
| antranigv | ah GUI | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer uses cpu decoding | 13:14 |
| L29Ah | i don't know any that is touchscreen-friendly | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | oscp | 13:14 |
| L29Ah | oscp is closed-source | 13:14 |
| L29Ah | ;] | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | then add 'and is open source' | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | but you can write your own easily | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | using gstreamer and pygtk | 13:15 |
| L29Ah | ;[ | 13:18 |
| L29Ah | no one wants to have a fresh distro on n900 :/ | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | i do, but i plan to roll my own | 13:19 |
| Sicelo | we do .. that's why we've tried many of them | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | (once i clear other things in the queue) | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | also, gentoo is bad choice for n900 | 13:19 |
| L29Ah | why so? | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | compile everything on update? | 13:19 |
| L29Ah | there are two options for remote building | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | you will have to write manual/howto then, keep that in mind | 13:20 |
| L29Ah | sure; i plan to update http://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 as i go | 13:20 |
| L29Ah | submitted some patches already | 13:21 |
| L29Ah | i wonder what media player openmoko uses | 13:21 |
| antranigv | L29Ah: funtoo on N900? (: or the neo900 | 13:22 |
| L29Ah | i don't see much difference in funtoo compared to gentoo | 13:22 |
| Sicelo | Luke-Jr actually made a lot of progress with gentoo on N900 | 13:22 |
| L29Ah | and i want to stick to PMS | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | pms, lol | 13:24 |
| L29Ah | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Package_Manager_Specification | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | try that in google | 13:25 |
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| antranigv | python programmers here, anyone runs python programs on maemo that are "made" with pyinstaller on an intel box? | 13:37 |
| KotCzarny | i just run oscp-remote.py | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | no installer | 13:39 |
| Wizzup | 12:19 < KotCzarny> compile everything on update? | 13:39 |
| Wizzup | You can very easily create binary packages on other machines | 13:39 |
| Wizzup | Just like debian | 13:39 |
| Wizzup | It's really no different | 13:39 |
| antranigv | yes, and then serve them via SSH or HTTP. | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: yeah, but he doesnt mean to | 13:39 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: that was not clear to be at all | 13:40 |
| L29Ah | i can build some if you need it, but gentoo is about choice, and my system is going to use it a lot (: | 13:40 |
| Wizzup | I run many gentoo arm systems, and definitely interested in gentoo on n900 | 13:40 |
| antranigv | KotCzarny: so your code works with python2.5? | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: since you will be building whole os, you would be better off distributing it as a binary packages | 13:41 |
| L29Ah | i guess i'll spit out a stage4 once it's usable | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | antranigv: dont know, what is default python on stock fremantle? | 13:41 |
| antranigv | it's 2.5 | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | then yes | 13:41 |
| antranigv | if it was 2.6, we could have youtube-dl | 13:41 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: that is, you can easily have a chroot on some arm device that you natively build all packages in | 13:42 |
| Wizzup | and then just have your n900 install those | 13:42 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: libmafw-shared | 13:42 |
| L29Ah | bencoh: i can't build it | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | antranigv: hack youtube-dl and check what 2.6 features it needs and if there is a way to cut them out? | 13:42 |
| L29Ah | complains about lots of lacking symbols | 13:42 |
| bencoh | which one ? | 13:42 |
| L29Ah | which what? | 13:42 |
| bencoh | symbols | 13:42 |
| antranigv | KotCzarny: possible, or make it a "compiled" code with pyinstaller? (: | 13:43 |
| L29Ah | 13:09:00]<L29Ah> i wonder where do i get mafw_proxy_source_get_type() from | 13:43 |
| L29Ah | to start with | 13:43 |
| L29Ah | i'm building http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/mafw-shared/mafw-shared_0.3.2010.36-1%2b0m5.tar.gz btw | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | Your search - mafw_proxy_source_get_type - did not match any documents | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 13:43 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: it's macro-defined | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | still, no source found | 13:44 |
| bencoh | and exported in a .h in mafw-shared | 13:44 |
| L29Ah | i don't see its definition | 13:44 |
| bencoh | dpkg-deb: building package `libmafw-shared0' in `../libmafw-shared0_0.3.2010.36-1+0m5_armel.deb'. | 13:47 |
| bencoh | it worked(tm) in scratchbox | 13:47 |
| bencoh | and according to debian/control it needs libglib2.0-dev, libdbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libmafw0-dev, checkmore, gtk-doc-tools, dbus, libtotem-plparser-dev, libxml2-dev | 13:48 |
| bencoh | libmafw0-dev is in free/ | 13:48 |
| bencoh | so it should build as well | 13:48 |
| L29Ah | i built it | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, run a grep for this function | 13:49 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: I already did ;) | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | no results? ;) | 13:50 |
| bencoh | ./libmafw-shared/mafw-proxy-source.h:39: (mafw_proxy_source_get_type()) | 13:50 |
| bencoh | ./libmafw-shared/mafw-proxy-source.h:67:GType mafw_proxy_source_get_type(void); | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, k | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:50 |
| bencoh | $ nm libmafw-shared/.libs/mafw-proxy-source.o |grep mafw_proxy_source_get_type | 13:51 |
| bencoh | 00002c3c T mafw_proxy_source_get_type | 13:51 |
| bencoh | looks like a valid symbol | 13:51 |
| bencoh | and libmafw0 builds as well :-) | 13:51 |
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| L29Ah | bencoh: sooo? | 13:53 |
| L29Ah | bencoh: do you know c? | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | c-fu | 13:53 |
| L29Ah | i don't see any definitions of this function in libmafw-shared and it doesn't seem to be generated | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you need some definitions while building | 13:54 |
| Oxyd76 | L29Ah: Wow L'yah. :) | 13:55 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: did you read what I've just pasted ? | 13:56 |
| L29Ah | yep | 13:56 |
| Wizzup | L29Ah: why are you compiling on the n900 though? | 13:56 |
| L29Ah | Wizzup: i compile on my host | 13:56 |
| Wizzup | what's up with the LDFLAGS and CFLAGS then | 13:56 |
| L29Ah | empty | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | # Since the N900 doesn't have a lot of RAM, you'll probably need to sacrifice some CPU time to minimize memory usage | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -Wl,--no-keep-memory -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads" | 13:57 |
| L29Ah | ah | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768" | 13:57 |
| L29Ah | ask Luke-Jr | 13:57 |
| L29Ah | i'll preserve this ability on my n900 tho | 13:57 |
| antranigv | ~sdk | 13:57 |
| infobot_ | rumour has it, sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt" | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | building anything on the n900 seems bad, especially since poor IO/storage, and compiling in tmpfs is hardly possible because of the little ram in it | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | I mean, you can probably do it, but yeah :) | 13:58 |
| Wizzup | I am drowning in arm devices, so I have plenty of hosts | 13:58 |
| bencoh | s/yeah/meh/ :) | 13:58 |
| L29Ah | building on n900 is actually faster than in x201 in qemu | 13:58 |
| L29Ah | i failed to build the cross-toolchain | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 13:58 |
| Wizzup | you can get a quad core arm device with 2gb+ ram and sata/usb for hdds for about 50$ | 13:58 |
| Wizzup | that will do it about 10 times faster than your n900 | 13:58 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: I think you forgot the key word (kvm) | 13:58 |
| L29Ah | kwhat | 13:59 |
| L29Ah | i don't have an arm host | 13:59 |
| bencoh | qemu/kvm (for your x201) | 13:59 |
| Wizzup | no | 13:59 |
| L29Ah | you suck | 13:59 |
| Wizzup | kvm is only for virtualisation | 13:59 |
| Wizzup | you can't use virtualisation extensions when the cpu is different | 13:59 |
| bencoh | sure, but ... you dont want to do a native build ... (do you ? :/) | 13:59 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: did you miss this: 12:58 < Wizzup> you can get a quad core arm device with 2gb+ ram and sata/usb for hdds for about 50$ | 14:00 |
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| bencoh | that's exactly why scratchbox exists, btw ... to behave like a native env while still building with a cross compiler | 14:00 |
| L29Ah | i guess i can build the whole system in two days | 14:00 |
| L29Ah | on n900 | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: wishful thinking | 14:00 |
| Wizzup | L29Ah: how many sd cards will use though? :) | 14:00 |
| Wizzup | Either way | 14:00 |
| Wizzup | Good job on the gentoo work | 14:00 |
| L29Ah | bencoh: build me a cross armv7a-hardfloat-linux-musleabi-gcc | 14:00 |
| Wizzup | I'm very happy to see it | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | sd cards are big nowadays | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | 256gigs etc | 14:00 |
| L29Ah | btw, can n900 handle a 64Gb one? | 14:01 |
| * Wizzup wonders why his suggestion of native arm build hosts is being ignored completely ;( | 14:01 | |
| KotCzarny | according to tmo, yes | 14:01 |
| bencoh | isnt there any way to crosscompile with gentoo ? | 14:01 |
| L29Ah | Wizzup: because i'm not into buying hardware | 14:01 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: yes, there are easy and good ways to do so | 14:01 |
| L29Ah | bencoh: it failed. | 14:01 |
| Wizzup | L29Ah: then stick to qemu for now | 14:01 |
| Wizzup | that's that best solution | 14:01 |
| Wizzup | s/that/the/ | 14:01 |
| infobot_ | Wizzup meant: the's that best solution | 14:01 |
| Wizzup | uf | 14:02 |
| bencoh | :D | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | or try to find newer scratchbox compatible gcc | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:02 |
| shapeshifter | Any updates on the NNeo900? | 14:02 |
| bencoh | shapeshifter: in #neo900 | 14:02 |
| shapeshifter | ah. | 14:02 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: and then you're still stuck with some randomly put together system, whereas with gentoo in qemu/native you can have a coherent and trustworthy system | 14:02 |
| Wizzup | I completely understand that L29Ah is using qemu if he has no proper arm hw to build on | 14:03 |
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| KotCzarny | wizzup: you sound like you've already bought that quadcore arm machine, why there is no such system from you yet? | 14:03 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: I have 9 I think | 14:03 |
| Wizzup | perhaps more :) | 14:03 |
| Wizzup | I'm happy to set up some build host on arm devices | 14:04 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: solidrun/cubox ? | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | setup one and make one public for maemo folks | 14:04 |
| Wizzup | no | 14:04 |
| Wizzup | I got the initial cubox one and didn't like it at all, messed for weeks with hw support, it's probably better now | 14:04 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: odroid u2/u3, and the ifc6410 (and random other allwinner things) | 14:04 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: alright, I'll put it on my todo list and try to do that :) | 14:04 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: it's a completely different design than the original cubox(-pro) | 14:04 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: right, but the devices I use all have linux mainline support | 14:05 |
| bencoh | fsl/iMX6 (instead of marvell/armada) | 14:05 |
| bencoh | oh, nice | 14:05 |
| Wizzup | I'm not particularly interested in solidrun, since I was really disappointed by their stuff at the time | 14:05 |
| Wizzup | p.s. these days you can also get a 200$ chromebook (samsung ones) that run mainline | 14:06 |
| Wizzup | (arm ones) | 14:06 |
| bencoh | the only thing I dont like is being stuck with a linaro kernel | 14:06 |
| Wizzup | anyway, I have to go now, I'll try to remember to set something up | 14:06 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: what about https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Cross_building#crossdev ? where does it fail ? | 14:08 |
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| bencoh | err .... | 14:08 |
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| antranigv | umm, the nokia website is down, where can I download the SDK virtualimage? | 14:19 |
| antranigv | ~image | 14:20 |
| infobot_ | See 'iso' | 14:20 |
| bencoh | there are a few mirrors around, I think google has some in its index | 14:21 |
| antranigv | ~tabletsdev | 14:21 |
| infobot_ | well, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads | 14:21 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: 13:08 < bencoh> L29Ah: what about https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Cross_building#crossdev ? where does it fail ? | 14:21 |
| L29Ah | crossdev fails at the point of not working with paludis | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, do closed hw bits (bme and friends) work with newer kernel? | 14:25 |
| L29Ah | i failed to run maemo on 4.1 | 14:26 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 14:26 |
| L29Ah | otherwise, http://elinux.org/N900 mentions rx51_battery | 14:26 |
| L29Ah | so bme should work fine | 14:26 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: thou shalt use pali's bme replacement | 14:29 |
| bencoh | (which basically consists of kernel modules and a "simple" glue userland lib) | 14:29 |
| Wizzup | 13:21 < L29Ah> crossdev fails at the point of not working with paludis | 14:29 |
| Wizzup | Ah... well that explains a lot :P | 14:30 |
| L29Ah | ct-ng screams "./configure: error: unsupported long double type" | 14:31 |
| L29Ah | in binutils | 14:31 |
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| L29Ah | i guess i'll try the git version | 15:15 |
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| KotCzarny | or look for patches in debian-armel ? | 15:15 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: git version of ? | 15:15 |
| L29Ah | ct-ng | 15:16 |
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| Luke-Jr | L29Ah: oh, you're the guy emailing me unsolicited patches? :P | 17:44 |
| Luke-Jr | L29Ah: probably I should just set up the repo on GitLab so you can push directly | 17:44 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: distcc is nice | 17:44 |
| L29Ah | yeah it'd be good | 17:45 |
| Luke-Jr | just got home from emergency room tho, so going to sleep for now :p | 17:46 |
| Luke-Jr | prod me later if I forget | 17:46 |
| L29Ah | k | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | emergency room? software development can be dangerous.. | 17:47 |
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| L29Ah | mkay, mafw-shared sucks and won't build with -Wl,--as-needed ;[ | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | just use oscp-alsa, should work even on newer libs | 18:01 |
| L29Ah | it's closed-source :< | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | especially that you dont need any other packages to make it work | 18:01 |
| L29Ah | also i hope for dsp shit | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | let's say, if you manage to run kernel 3.x/4.x with current glibc and gcc/g++ i'll give you oscp source | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | that is, if you achieve working system with all important bits working | 18:02 |
| L29Ah | glibc isn't interesting :P | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | it is if you plan to compile mainstream packages :P | 18:03 |
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| L29Ah | i'm building for the current musl | 18:03 |
| Luke-Jr | "important" is undefined | 18:03 |
| L29Ah | hope mainstream stuff will work somewhat | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | luke-jr: phone, display, battery, audio, touchscreen, hw-buttons | 18:03 |
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| KotCzarny | etc | 18:04 |
| Luke-Jr | the ones you listed should work :P | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | luke-jr: phone/calls/sms ? | 18:04 |
| Luke-Jr | although I never touched 3.x/4.x kernels | 18:04 |
| L29Ah | used up half of the 16Gb microsd, but still no xorg ;p | 18:04 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: no idea about SMS; do people use that? | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | i do | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | and my gf | 18:05 |
| L29Ah | i receive bank otp thru sms | 18:05 |
| Luke-Jr | oh, I don't think I ever got audio to work for calls either. <.< | 18:05 |
| bencoh | 17:03 < L29Ah> i'm building for the current musl | 18:05 |
| bencoh | :D | 18:05 |
| L29Ah | also i have a nice web service to annoy me remotely: http://l29ah.blasux.ru/sms | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | page is not loading | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:06 |
| Wizzup | loads here | 18:07 |
| Wizzup | L29Ah: now that you told everyone it is powered by bash, I'm presuming that you're properly dealing with input on said service? ;) | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, check it yourself ;) | 18:08 |
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| L29Ah | Wizzup: sure | 18:10 |
| L29Ah | 18:09:59]<KotCzarny> page is not loading | 18:10 |
| L29Ah | huh | 18:10 |
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| KotCzarny | something with dns, works on my linux machine tho | 18:14 |
| L29Ah | resolved fine thru 8.8.8.8 | 18:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | google...burn! | 18:41 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 18:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | opendns ;) | 18:51 |
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| L29Ah | ‰ automake-1.15 -W no-error | 19:32 |
| L29Ah | automake-1.15: warnings are treated as errors | 19:32 |
| L29Ah | wut | 19:32 |
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| KotCzarny | l29ah: isnt it -Wno-error ? | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | or -Wno-error=all | 20:17 |
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| L29Ah | autotools guru any1? ;[ | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | all i can say: try another version | 20:38 |
| L29Ah | of what? | 20:38 |
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| KotCzarny | of autotools | 20:38 |
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| KotCzarny | wtf | 20:40 |
| bencoh | L29Ah: what's wrong ? | 20:40 |
| KotCzarny | gtk+ runtime on windows: 160MB | 20:40 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 20:40 |
| L29Ah | KotCzarny: thanks, seems like it works; having five versions of autoshit is handy ;[ | 20:40 |
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| KotCzarny | l29ah: what can i say, digging elbow deep in shitty syntax and hunting obscure variables isnt any better | 20:41 |
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| KotCzarny | wow, oscp-remote.py works on windows | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | actually looks nice | 20:48 |
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| Sicelo | haha, for the first time in my life i havejust opened https://www.android.com/ .... interesting that it says "be together. not the same." marketing can be crazy and outright lies ... they are all the same :p | 21:48 |
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| KotCzarny | where do you see it? | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | (i'm seeing localized pages, so just curious) | 21:52 |
| Sicelo | front page.. the page i linked to. at the top | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, on english it is | 21:53 |
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| KotCzarny | and only on english | 21:55 |
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| KotCzarny | but comparing to ios, android is much more customizable/themeable | 21:58 |
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