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*** povbot has joined #maemo10:28 [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support:
keriothat's not the point10:28
keriohow do you test stuff10:28
keriodo you just copy the whole source directory10:28
keriothat's idiotic10:28
KotCzarnyi dont10:28
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KotCzarnyl29ah, just out of curiosity, why are you reconnecting so often?11:08
L29Ahi'm in the moscow subway using its crappy wifi11:08
KotCzarnyrun the irssi in a screen at home?11:09
L29Ahtoo much of a hassle11:09
L29Ahi want all my im stuff in one app11:09
L29Ahi guess after tkabber get the proper support for stream management, it will stop being an issue11:10
L29Ahit's in progress atm11:10
KotCzarnyok, another idea, just run the irc bouncer proxy at home, then connect tkabber to it (it's seen as a irc server externally)11:10
L29Ahi know about bouncers, too lazy to get em up11:13
L29Ahi don't use irc this much11:14
KotCzarnyyeah, sure11:14
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bencohKotCzarny: hmm ?11:50
KotCzarnybencoh, thought you were the maintainer11:53
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bencohI'm not :)11:56
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KotCzarnybencoh: who is?12:02
bencohhmm m.erlin1991 iirc12:03
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KotCzarnymerlin1991: ping12:05
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L29Ahi wonder where do i get mafw_proxy_source_get_type() from13:09
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KotCzarnyafaik mafw isnt open13:09
antranigvokey, why chmod +x program is not working?13:10
KotCzarnyantranigv: because /home is mounted noexec ?13:10
antranigv./home or /home/MyDocs?13:11
KotCzarnyif you really need space for software, create a 2GB file, make ext3 on it, then mount via -o loop13:11
KotCzarnyantranigv: i would bet on whole /home13:11
KotCzarnymount |grep home13:12
antranigvah or I can put it in /home/opt. only mydocs are noexec13:12
bencohKotCzarny: no it's not13:12
antranigvfor some reason /home/opt on /opt13:12
bencohL29Ah: see libmafw013:12
L29Ahso i don't have a free dsp mp3 decoder? ;[13:12
L29Ahbencoh: nope13:13
KotCzarnyl29ah: try gstreamer13:13
L29Ahactually i want some gui player13:13
KotCzarnyhe he13:13
KotCzarnyjust grab any gstreamer gui13:13
antranigvah GUI13:13
KotCzarnymplayer uses cpu decoding13:14
L29Ahi don't know any that is touchscreen-friendly13:14
L29Ahoscp is closed-source13:14
KotCzarnythen add 'and is open source'13:14
KotCzarnybut you can write your own easily13:15
KotCzarnyusing gstreamer and pygtk13:15
L29Ahno one wants to have a fresh distro on n900 :/13:18
KotCzarnyi do, but i plan to roll my own13:19
Sicelowe do .. that's why we've tried many of them13:19
KotCzarny(once i clear other things in the queue)13:19
KotCzarnyalso, gentoo is bad choice for n90013:19
L29Ahwhy so?13:19
KotCzarnycompile everything on update?13:19
L29Ahthere are two options for remote building13:20
KotCzarnyyou will have to write manual/howto then, keep that in mind13:20
L29Ahsure; i plan to update as i go13:20
L29Ahsubmitted some patches already13:21
L29Ahi wonder what media player openmoko uses13:21
antranigvL29Ah: funtoo on N900? (: or the neo90013:22
L29Ahi don't see much difference in funtoo compared to gentoo13:22
SiceloLuke-Jr actually made a lot of progress with gentoo on N90013:22
L29Ahand i want to stick to PMS13:22
KotCzarnypms, lol13:24
KotCzarnytry that in google13:25
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antranigvpython programmers here, anyone runs python programs on maemo that are "made" with pyinstaller on an intel box?13:37
KotCzarnyi just run oscp-remote.py13:39
KotCzarnyno installer13:39
Wizzup12:19 < KotCzarny> compile everything on update?13:39
WizzupYou can very easily create binary packages on other machines13:39
WizzupJust like debian13:39
WizzupIt's really no different13:39
antranigvyes, and then serve them via SSH or HTTP.13:39
KotCzarnywizzup: yeah, but he doesnt mean to13:39
WizzupKotCzarny: that was not clear to be at all13:40
L29Ahi can build some if you need it, but gentoo is about choice, and my system is going to use it a lot (:13:40
WizzupI run many gentoo arm systems, and definitely interested in gentoo on n90013:40
antranigvKotCzarny: so your code works with python2.5?13:40
KotCzarnyl29ah: since you will be building whole os, you would be better off distributing it as a binary packages13:41
L29Ahi guess i'll spit out a stage4 once it's usable13:41
KotCzarnyantranigv: dont know, what is default python on stock fremantle?13:41
antranigvit's 2.513:41
KotCzarnythen yes13:41
antranigvif it was 2.6, we could have youtube-dl13:41
WizzupKotCzarny: that is, you can easily have a chroot on some arm device that you natively build all packages in13:42
Wizzupand then just have your n900 install those13:42
bencohL29Ah: libmafw-shared13:42
L29Ahbencoh: i can't build it13:42
KotCzarnyantranigv: hack youtube-dl and check what 2.6 features it needs and if there is a way to cut them out?13:42
L29Ahcomplains about lots of lacking symbols13:42
bencohwhich one ?13:42
L29Ahwhich what?13:42
antranigvKotCzarny: possible, or make it a "compiled" code with pyinstaller? (:13:43
L29Ah13:09:00]<L29Ah> i wonder where do i get mafw_proxy_source_get_type() from13:43
L29Ahto start with13:43
L29Ahi'm building btw13:43
KotCzarnyYour search - mafw_proxy_source_get_type - did not match any documents13:43
KotCzarnyhe he13:43
bencohKotCzarny: it's macro-defined13:44
KotCzarnystill, no source found13:44
bencohand exported in a .h in mafw-shared13:44
L29Ahi don't see its definition13:44
bencohdpkg-deb: building package `libmafw-shared0' in `../libmafw-shared0_0.3.2010.36-1+0m5_armel.deb'.13:47
bencohit worked(tm) in scratchbox13:47
bencohand according to debian/control it needs libglib2.0-dev, libdbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libmafw0-dev, checkmore, gtk-doc-tools, dbus, libtotem-plparser-dev, libxml2-dev13:48
bencohlibmafw0-dev is in free/13:48
bencohso it should build as well13:48
L29Ahi built it13:49
KotCzarnybencoh, run a grep for this function13:49
bencohKotCzarny: I already did ;)13:50
KotCzarnyno results? ;)13:50
bencoh./libmafw-shared/mafw-proxy-source.h:39:        (mafw_proxy_source_get_type())13:50
bencoh./libmafw-shared/mafw-proxy-source.h:67:GType mafw_proxy_source_get_type(void);13:50
KotCzarnyahm, k13:50
bencoh$ nm libmafw-shared/.libs/mafw-proxy-source.o |grep mafw_proxy_source_get_type13:51
bencoh00002c3c T mafw_proxy_source_get_type13:51
bencohlooks like a valid symbol13:51
bencohand libmafw0 builds as well :-)13:51
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L29Ahbencoh: sooo?13:53
L29Ahbencoh: do you know c?13:53
L29Ahi don't see any definitions of this function in libmafw-shared and it doesn't seem to be generated13:54
KotCzarnymaybe you need some definitions while building13:54
Oxyd76L29Ah: Wow L'yah. :)13:55
bencohL29Ah: did you read what I've just pasted ?13:56
WizzupL29Ah: why are you compiling on the n900 though?13:56
L29AhWizzup: i compile on my host13:56
Wizzupwhat's up with the LDFLAGS and CFLAGS then13:56
Wizzup# Since the N900 doesn't have a lot of RAM, you'll probably need to sacrifice some CPU time to minimize memory usage13:57
WizzupLDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -Wl,--no-keep-memory -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads"13:57
WizzupCFLAGS="${CFLAGS} --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768"13:57
L29Ahask Luke-Jr13:57
L29Ahi'll preserve this ability on my n900 tho13:57
infobot_rumour has it, sdk is or "wget"13:57
Wizzupbuilding anything on the n900 seems bad, especially since poor IO/storage, and compiling in tmpfs is hardly possible because of the little ram in it13:57
WizzupI mean, you can probably do it, but yeah :)13:58
WizzupI am drowning in arm devices, so I have plenty of hosts13:58
bencohs/yeah/meh/ :)13:58
L29Ahbuilding on n900 is actually faster than in x201 in qemu13:58
L29Ahi failed to build the cross-toolchain13:58
Wizzupyou can get a quad core arm device with 2gb+ ram and sata/usb for hdds for about 50$13:58
Wizzupthat will do it about 10 times faster than your n90013:58
bencohL29Ah: I think you forgot the key word (kvm)13:58
L29Ahi don't have an arm host13:59
bencohqemu/kvm (for your x201)13:59
L29Ahyou suck13:59
Wizzupkvm is only for virtualisation13:59
Wizzupyou can't use virtualisation extensions when the cpu is different13:59
bencohsure, but ... you dont want to do a native build ... (do you ? :/)13:59
Wizzupbencoh: did you miss this: 12:58 < Wizzup> you can get a quad core arm device with 2gb+ ram and sata/usb for hdds for about 50$14:00
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bencohthat's exactly why scratchbox exists, btw ... to behave like a native env while still building with a cross compiler14:00
L29Ahi guess i can build the whole system in two days14:00
L29Ahon n90014:00
KotCzarnyl29ah: wishful thinking14:00
WizzupL29Ah: how many sd cards will use though? :)14:00
WizzupEither way14:00
WizzupGood job on the gentoo work14:00
L29Ahbencoh: build me a cross armv7a-hardfloat-linux-musleabi-gcc14:00
WizzupI'm very happy to see it14:00
KotCzarnysd cards are big nowadays14:00
KotCzarny256gigs etc14:00
L29Ahbtw, can n900 handle a 64Gb one?14:01
* Wizzup wonders why his suggestion of native arm build hosts is being ignored completely ;( 14:01
KotCzarnyaccording to tmo, yes14:01
bencohisnt there any way to crosscompile with gentoo ?14:01
L29AhWizzup: because i'm not into buying hardware14:01
Wizzupbencoh: yes, there are easy and good ways to do so14:01
L29Ahbencoh: it failed.14:01
WizzupL29Ah: then stick to qemu for now14:01
Wizzupthat's that best solution14:01
infobot_Wizzup meant: the's that best solution14:01
KotCzarnyor try to find newer scratchbox compatible gcc14:02
shapeshifterAny updates on the NNeo900?14:02
bencohshapeshifter: in #neo90014:02
WizzupKotCzarny: and then you're still stuck with some randomly put together system, whereas with gentoo in qemu/native you can have a coherent and trustworthy system14:02
WizzupI completely understand that L29Ah is using qemu if he has no proper arm hw to build on14:03
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KotCzarnywizzup: you sound like you've already bought that quadcore arm machine, why there is no such system from you yet?14:03
WizzupKotCzarny: I have 9 I think14:03
Wizzupperhaps more :)14:03
WizzupI'm happy to set up some build host on arm devices14:04
bencohWizzup: solidrun/cubox ?14:04
KotCzarnysetup one and make one public for maemo folks14:04
WizzupI got the initial cubox one and didn't like it at all, messed for weeks with hw support, it's probably better now14:04
Wizzupbencoh: odroid u2/u3, and the ifc6410 (and random other allwinner things)14:04
WizzupKotCzarny: alright, I'll put it on my todo list and try to do that :)14:04
bencohWizzup: it's a completely different design than the original cubox(-pro)14:04
Wizzupbencoh: right, but the devices I use all have linux mainline support14:05
bencohfsl/iMX6 (instead of marvell/armada)14:05
bencohoh, nice14:05
WizzupI'm not particularly interested in solidrun, since I was really disappointed by their stuff at the time14:05
Wizzupp.s. these days you can also get a 200$ chromebook (samsung ones) that run mainline14:06
Wizzup(arm ones)14:06
bencohthe only thing I dont like is being stuck with a linaro kernel14:06
Wizzupanyway, I have to go now, I'll try to remember to set something up14:06
bencohL29Ah: what about ? where does it fail ?14:08
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bencoherr ....14:08
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antranigvumm, the nokia website is down, where can I download the SDK virtualimage?14:19
infobot_See 'iso'14:20
bencohthere are a few mirrors around, I think google has some in its index14:21
infobot_well, tabletsdev is , (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site, or
bencohL29Ah: 13:08 < bencoh> L29Ah: what about ? where does it fail ?14:21
L29Ahcrossdev fails at the point of not working with paludis14:22
KotCzarnyhmm, do closed hw bits (bme and friends) work with newer kernel?14:25
L29Ahi failed to run maemo on 4.114:26
L29Ahotherwise, mentions rx51_battery14:26
L29Ahso bme should work fine14:26
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bencohKotCzarny: thou shalt use pali's bme replacement14:29
bencoh(which basically consists of kernel modules and a "simple" glue userland lib)14:29
Wizzup13:21 < L29Ah> crossdev fails at the point of not working with paludis14:29
WizzupAh... well that explains a lot :P14:30
L29Ahct-ng screams "./configure: error: unsupported long double type"14:31
L29Ahin binutils14:31
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L29Ahi guess i'll try the git version15:15
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KotCzarnyor look for patches in debian-armel ?15:15
bencohL29Ah: git version of ?15:15
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Luke-JrL29Ah: oh, you're the guy emailing me unsolicited patches? :P17:44
Luke-JrL29Ah: probably I should just set up the repo on GitLab so you can push directly17:44
Luke-JrKotCzarny: distcc is nice17:44
L29Ahyeah it'd be good17:45
Luke-Jrjust got home from emergency room tho, so going to sleep for now :p17:46
Luke-Jrprod me later if I forget17:46
KotCzarnyemergency room? software development can be dangerous..17:47
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L29Ahmkay, mafw-shared sucks and won't build with -Wl,--as-needed ;[18:00
KotCzarnyjust use oscp-alsa, should work even on newer libs18:01
L29Ahit's closed-source :<18:01
KotCzarnyespecially that you dont need any other packages to make it work18:01
L29Ahalso i hope for dsp shit18:02
KotCzarnylet's say, if you manage to run kernel 3.x/4.x with current glibc and gcc/g++ i'll give you oscp source18:02
KotCzarnythat is, if you achieve working system with all important bits working18:02
L29Ahglibc isn't interesting :P18:03
KotCzarnyit is if you plan to compile mainstream packages :P18:03
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L29Ahi'm building for the current musl18:03
Luke-Jr"important" is undefined18:03
L29Ahhope mainstream stuff will work somewhat18:03
KotCzarnyluke-jr: phone, display, battery, audio, touchscreen, hw-buttons18:03
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Luke-Jrthe ones you listed should work :P18:04
KotCzarnyluke-jr: phone/calls/sms ?18:04
Luke-Jralthough I never touched 3.x/4.x kernels18:04
L29Ahused up half of the 16Gb microsd, but still no xorg ;p18:04
Luke-JrKotCzarny: no idea about SMS; do people use that?18:05
KotCzarnyi do18:05
KotCzarnyand my gf18:05
L29Ahi receive bank otp thru sms18:05
Luke-Jroh, I don't think I ever got audio to work for calls either. <.<18:05
bencoh17:03 < L29Ah> i'm building for the current musl18:05
L29Ahalso i have a nice web service to annoy me remotely:
KotCzarnypage is not loading18:06
Wizzuploads here18:07
WizzupL29Ah: now that you told everyone it is powered by bash, I'm presuming that you're properly dealing with input on said service? ;)18:07
KotCzarnywizzup, check it yourself ;)18:08
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L29AhWizzup: sure18:10
L29Ah18:09:59]<KotCzarny> page is not loading18:10
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KotCzarnysomething with dns, works on my linux machine tho18:14
L29Ahresolved fine thru
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sixwheeledbeastopendns ;)18:51
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L29Ah‰ automake-1.15 -W no-error19:32
L29Ahautomake-1.15: warnings are treated as errors19:32
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KotCzarnyl29ah: isnt it -Wno-error ?20:15
KotCzarnyor -Wno-error=all20:17
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L29Ahautotools guru any1? ;[20:36
KotCzarnyall i can say: try another version20:38
L29Ahof what?20:38
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KotCzarnyof autotools20:38
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bencohL29Ah: what's wrong ?20:40
KotCzarnygtk+ runtime on windows: 160MB20:40
L29AhKotCzarny: thanks, seems like it works; having five versions of autoshit is handy ;[20:40
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KotCzarnyl29ah: what can i say, digging elbow deep in shitty syntax and hunting obscure variables isnt any better20:41
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KotCzarnywow, works on windows20:48
KotCzarnyactually looks nice20:48
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Sicelohaha, for the first time in my  life i havejust opened .... interesting that it says "be together. not the same." marketing can be crazy and outright lies ... they are all the same :p21:48
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KotCzarnywhere do you see it?21:52
KotCzarny(i'm seeing localized pages, so just curious)21:52
Sicelofront page.. the page i linked to. at the top21:53
KotCzarnyahm, on english it is21:53
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KotCzarnyand only on english21:55
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KotCzarnybut comparing to ios, android is much more customizable/themeable21:58
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