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| kopple | hello everyone, I can use fMMS regularly for both receiving and sending. Still, I can't receive newer smartphones' SMSes if they feature some emoticons | 00:28 |
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| kopple | if that matters, during one of my attempts I asked to send me a picture with emoticons inside an MMS and I got a picture with an "smil.xml". It was an Android smartphone | 00:29 |
| kopple | so I'm wondering if newer smartphones comply with an emoticons standard set with an .xml tagging system or something like that | 00:30 |
| kopple | what do you think about it? | 00:30 |
| scottc | I'm in no way knowledgeable about this (I use my N900 for games, Jolla as a phone) but googling around, I got this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9492041/android-what-to-do-with-application-smil-mime-type | 00:31 |
| scottc | not sure if that helps as I'm sure you can google things as well as I can, but just in case you hadn't found it | 00:32 |
| kopple | well I'm actually looking for information about these newer emoticons sets but I can't seem to find anything useful about it | 00:35 |
| kopple | I think devices became too close-sourced to even care about these things | 00:35 |
| scottc | could it be emoji that you're thinking of? | 00:35 |
| kopple | I'm researching | 00:37 |
| kopple | it's possible yes, but I'm not sure | 00:37 |
| kopple | when I get e-mails from Iphones sometimes they include this kind of symbols that are actual font characters in my mail client | 00:38 |
| scottc | that part sounds like emoji | 00:39 |
| bencoh | there is a thread about that on tmo, an article on thp's website, and a github project | 00:39 |
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| bencoh | (now to find the links ... :) | 00:39 |
| kopple | so may be, yes. I'm sure I never get SMSes coming from Windows Mobile phones if they include this sort of characters. I'm trying to realize if Win Mobile features them as plain emoticons while composing a message. | 00:39 |
| bencoh | there you go: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94027 | 00:39 |
| kopple | that's great bencoh | 00:39 |
| kopple | thanks a lot, I'm reading already | 00:40 |
| bencoh | :) | 00:40 |
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| kopple | what's Harmoji exactly? A maemo program? | 00:41 |
| kopple | maybe this fix is more important than we realize for all maemo users.. I'd suggest that it is hightlighted somehow, or linked to in homepage ;) | 00:42 |
| beford | harmoji is harmattan only, no? | 00:42 |
| kopple | I'm waiting for hildon to load.. will never know :D | 00:43 |
| beford | Harmoji is the Harmattan implementation of Emoji. Harmoji enables the viewing of Emoji characters throughout the system, as well as inputting them. | 00:43 |
| kopple | ok... not good for maemo | 00:44 |
| kopple | my hildon isn't up yet .. gosh | 00:45 |
| beford | hildon desktop? or hildon browser? | 00:45 |
| kopple | oh excuse me.. I meant the app. manager | 00:46 |
| beford | oh, right | 00:46 |
| kopple | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=b1bf5cbec6b4c593a28d92a2325b1c60&t=93427&page=2 | 00:51 |
| kopple | someone seems to have a fix for maemo too | 00:51 |
| kopple | do you think this is safe anyway? I don't know.. | 00:56 |
| beford | as long as you backup the file | 00:56 |
| beford | I'd say it's safe | 00:57 |
| kopple | mmm.. ok. I need a real backup solution first | 00:57 |
| kopple | may I ask if you know a good backup software for maemo? | 00:57 |
| beford | there are instruction on that post to backup the file that needs patching | 00:58 |
| kopple | sms, contacts book, /home/user directory is easily copied via USB | 00:58 |
| beford | !backupmenu | 00:58 |
| beford | ~backupmenu | 00:58 |
| infobot_ | i guess backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 00:58 |
| kopple | I looked into backupmenu but it looks scary, I still fear I won't be able to flash again because of the U key that is needed for backupmenu if I recall right | 01:00 |
| kopple | so I would install it after backing up the things I wrote before, than save a whole copy of my OS with backupmenu tight after | 01:00 |
| kopple | right* after | 01:00 |
| kopple | then enable emojis, work awaits :D | 01:00 |
| beford | yea, well I wouldn't use backup menu just to patch that file | 01:01 |
| beford | I don't think it's that necesarry | 01:01 |
| kopple | sounds ok | 01:01 |
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| kopple | are SMSes and phonebook located somewhere within the /home/user/ directory? | 01:01 |
| kopple | so that if I compress it all they're included? | 01:02 |
| kopple | well, the built-in backup will save my SMS and phonebook indeed, I will just lose the MMSes | 01:04 |
| kopple | mmm.. not the phonebook :\ | 01:05 |
| lobito | I'd like to know, too. Where are SMSs stored? | 01:05 |
| beford | /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db | 01:05 |
| beford | sqlite db | 01:05 |
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| kopple | .rtcom-messaging-ui/draft.db may contain email drafts? | 01:07 |
| kopple | it would be nice to explore that db ;) anyway. I have one called el-v1.db | 01:09 |
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| Oksana | Yes, that holds SMS messages and phone call history? | 01:13 |
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| kopple | great | 01:14 |
| bencoh | kopple: what's wrong with your U key ? | 01:14 |
| kopple | Oksana, do you happen to know where the phonebook database is stored instead? | 01:14 |
| Oksana | Contacts? | 01:15 |
| kopple | bencoh when flashing last time I had to press U to enable the USB data transmission at boot-time | 01:15 |
| kopple | Oksana, yes | 01:15 |
| Oksana | I remember that there is a specific folder with images-of-contacts, crop-sized to proper dimensions... | 01:15 |
| Oksana | With each image being a separate file | 01:16 |
| * Oksana dives into X Terminal... | 01:16 | |
| kopple | :) | 01:16 |
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| Oksana | cd /home/user/.osso-abook/ | 01:17 |
| kopple | great | 01:18 |
| kopple | there's no better thing than manual backup :) | 01:18 |
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| kopple | for the record, I found a copy of /home/user/.osso-abook/ called .osso-abook-backup also inside the official Backup Application output when including communications logs and calendar entries | 01:26 |
| kopple | it's not clear that it contains your contact list as well, but it does | 01:27 |
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| Oksana | By the way, when you put human's birthday into abook, is it possible to specify: 1. Timezone; 2. birthtime? Yes, odd question... | 01:40 |
| Oksana | And even odder one: is it possible to add death-day for a human into abook? Like, a human you knew, died. You do not wish to erase him, but you do not wish to keep calling a dead-man, either... | 01:41 |
| bencoh | :] | 01:44 |
| kopple | sounds like .. mocking. Isn't it? | 02:03 |
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| Oksana | No, it isn't. Mocking, it isn't. Also, I would like to have country-of-residence of a contact displayed prominently, and used somehow. For example, there should be a mechanism for checking that phone-numbers are "valid" (correspond to country) so that if you do try to call them from abroad (for whatever reason), the phone would have already pre-pended the correct telephone code? | 02:22 |
| kopple | :) | 02:23 |
| Oksana | Also, last-first name fields assume that Contact is always Human. What about Company as contact - what has to be entered as First-Last names? | 02:23 |
| Oksana | A map with locations of all contacts would be handy. Especially if it could include live location from those of contacts who allow you to see their location... | 02:24 |
| Oksana | But that's already out of scope of Address Book. It's more like a mapplet, tightly integrated with ABook and Clock... | 02:25 |
| * Oksana wonders if there are any recent time-zone changes which need to be integrated into Maemo 5 time-zone-table, and if they were integrated properly already... | 02:27 | |
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| kopple | 1) id -> uid=0 (root) 2) ./patcher -> /bin/sh: ./patcher: Permission denied | 03:13 |
| kopple | 3) sudo ./patcher -> user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. | 03:13 |
| kopple | I admit I don't have any experience with patching things at all, but what about this? | 03:15 |
| Oksana | Not sure what is patcher? | 03:15 |
| * Oksana would have used sudo gainroot, instead of sudo ./patcher ... | 03:15 | |
| kopple | it should be an executable from a tar | 03:15 |
| kopple | I did to gain root permission | 03:15 |
| kopple | sudo gainroot and then all the rest following | 03:15 |
| Oksana | If you have rootsh package installed (recommended), you use sudo gainroot to gain root | 03:16 |
| kopple | I was following this guide http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=b1bf5cbec6b4c593a28d92a2325b1c60&t=93427&page=2 and I used rootsh | 03:16 |
| Oksana | Then, you enter commands, like ./patcher , in separate lines | 03:16 |
| kopple | no longer using sudo? I did.. | 03:17 |
| Oksana | http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access#rootsh | 03:17 |
| kopple | ./patcher /usr/lib/libsms-utils.so.0.0.0 libemojitils.so.0 | 03:17 |
| kopple | thanks | 03:18 |
| kopple | I'm trying again | 03:18 |
| kopple | I still get sh: ./patcher: Permission denied | 03:19 |
| Oksana | Is it in MyDocs? | 03:20 |
| kopple | yes | 03:20 |
| Oksana | MyDocs filesystem does not have executable privileges | 03:20 |
| Oksana | Fat, and all that... | 03:20 |
| Oksana | Move it to /home/user/something/ , or whatever... | 03:20 |
| kopple | oh god :( What if I hadn't asked you... file systems has execution implications? | 03:21 |
| kopple | thanks | 03:21 |
| Oksana | If you really want to use sudo, keep in mind to not ever run visudo: The 'correct' way to add yourself to sudoers on Maemo 5 would be to put your entry in a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ | 03:22 |
| kopple | thanks, but I still get the Permission denied error when moving that folder to /home/user | 03:24 |
| Oksana | Like: don't forget to copy your python files to /opt on N900. If you copy to Mydocs directory you will not be able to change the permissions to Linux execute permissions as Mydocs is a FAT file system, it does not understand permissions. | 03:24 |
| Oksana | When the file(s) is-are in /home/user/, then you can use chmod +x filename to make it executable | 03:24 |
| * Oksana is glad that you have the files neat in one folder | 03:25 | |
| kopple | let me try | 03:25 |
| Oksana | Does chmod +x ./patcher work? | 03:25 |
| kopple | it. does. | 03:26 |
| kopple | suuuper | 03:26 |
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| kopple | Oksana, in your opinion all these things I ignore can be better achieved by studying UNIX systems or Linux precisely? I need some theory | 03:34 |
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| Oksana | kopple: I would recommend you to start with Unix. Because Unix-like systems include: Linux, BSD, GNU, Solaris, OpenDarwin... | 04:29 |
| Oksana | There is even Plan 9 from Bell Labs, but it's post-Unix, not intended to be completely compatible with pre-existing Unix | 04:30 |
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| kopple | thank you kindly | 04:51 |
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| _p4x | I'm trying to open up my n900 to see if the the screen cables are fine and the last screw is too tight (this one http://a.pomf.se/xnynff.jpg) , and it's wearing out from all the trying. What can I try? | 08:29 |
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| Vajb | if u can't open it ur only option is to carefully drill the tip of and remove it with pliers | 08:32 |
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| Vajb | hmm maybe put the screwdriver on screw and give a gentle tap of a hammer... | 08:34 |
| _p4x | to break the screw? sounds more dangerous than the drill | 08:36 |
| Vajb | not to break, but to "shake" it a bit. For sure safer than drill, if u don't use 5kg sledgehammer... | 08:42 |
| _p4x | I just tried, didn't loosen it | 08:46 |
| _p4x | maybe drilling it slowly with a screwdriver would do | 08:46 |
| _p4x | but than wouldn't unscrew it, just behead it | 08:49 |
| Vajb | yeah | 08:49 |
| Vajb | so no use | 08:49 |
| Vajb | i guess best solution is to drill head off, to be able to remove those pieces and then use pliers and hopefully get rest of the screw off. Otherwise ur fckd with it... | 08:50 |
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| _p4x | yeah, I guess that's it. thank you | 09:14 |
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