IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2015-03-14

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newbieAlerthey is ther any way to know which applications are actually producing sound, like browser & vlc??04:14
unbreakablegooogle sound alsa threads linux ?04:17
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newbieAlertunbreakable: yeah did!1 but sorry, ic ould not find what i needed.04:36
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KotCzarnynewbieAlert: maybe pulseaudio has such feature07:40
KotCzarnyalsa can only tell if it has any playback/record streams CONNECTED07:40
KotCzarnybut on n900 alsa driver has no internal mixer, ie. only one stream can be connected at a time07:42
KotCzarnythough alsa can add software mixer07:42
Luke-Jrafaik no drivers have internal mixers, only hardware and dmix (which ALSA sets up by default)07:44
KotCzarnyluke: not true07:44
KotCzarnywell, by internal mixer i meant hardware mixer07:45
KotCzarnyhttp://www.beastwithin.org/blogs/wolfheadofselfrepair/2013/07/pulseaudio-insidious-linux-malware07:45
KotCzarny:)07:45
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unbreakableKotCzarny, whatbout oss08:58
KotCzarnyi'm talking about n90008:59
KotCzarnyon linux i don't have pulseaudio08:59
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unbreakableKotCzarny, pulseaudio == oss?09:12
KotCzarnyno09:17
KotCzarnypulseaudio == abomination09:17
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drathirpulse sadly should be burned... only clean alsa when possible...11:53
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Vegeshite_Miteoss works fine11:57
Vegeshite_Mitedont know about pulse11:57
KotCzarnyoss on n900?12:02
Vegeshite_Miteyeah12:08
Vegeshite_Mitein my dreams12:09
KotCzarnystock fremantle?12:09
Vegeshite_Miteif i had some12:09
Vegeshite_Miteso no it doesnt12:09
Vegeshite_Mite:P12:09
Vegeshite_Mitebut i dont see why it couldnt12:09
Vegeshite_Miteoss unlike alsa was made to be cross platform12:09
KotCzarnyi think you can get it to work by installing pcm-snd-pcm module12:09
KotCzarnyalsa has oss compatibility mode, but you need to load modules12:09
Vegeshite_Miteor rebuild the kernel with oss?12:10
KotCzarnynot going to happen12:10
KotCzarnyno oss driver for n90012:10
Vegeshite_Mitewhy not12:10
KotCzarnyonly alsa emu12:10
Vegeshite_Miteso i was over at #bitcoin and i learned that youd be better off with potatocoins12:10
Vegeshite_Mitecan you mine on smarthones12:12
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Vegeshite_Mitehttp://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/building_own_kernel-oss_emulation/12:21
KotCzarnybut if you listen alsa/oss directly on device speakers you can destroy them, so it's only useful when using headphones/connect to stereo12:22
Vegeshite_Mitehow can they get destroyed?12:24
KotCzarnypulseaudio filtersout low freqs12:24
KotCzarnyotherwise device speakers get owned12:24
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Vegeshite_MiteKotCzarny, well its not the frequency that blows speakers its the amplitude12:25
KotCzarnyi've read it's the low freqs12:26
Vegeshite_Mitehow so12:26
Vegeshite_Mitefrom what i understand its the dynamic range of the speaker that gets exceeded by the amplitude being fed into it thereby causing the magnet to blow the diaphragm12:30
Vegeshite_Mitethat was a very convoluted way of saying the magnet pushes the paper too far12:30
* Vegeshite_Mite has been spending way too much time in ##c12:30
KotCzarnybut it's most pronounced with lowest freqs12:30
Vegeshite_Mitedunno12:32
KotCzarnythink about it, when you punch someone, what is worse, short blows or long blow12:33
Vegeshite_Mitedepends on whos doing the punching12:34
KotCzarnysame amplitude12:34
KotCzarny:P12:34
Vegeshite_Mitecould be ... maybe the speakers arent sensitive enough to fully reach peak amplitude on high freqs so low freq actually allow the mechanics of the speaker to deliver full energy12:34
KotCzarnyit's not sensitivity, told you12:35
drathirthat could be the quwstiion wh producer used so weak speakers...12:35
KotCzarnyit's just that low freqs moving more energy12:35
Vegeshite_MiteKotCzarny, maybe its just that n900's suck12:35
KotCzarny*move12:35
KotCzarnynope12:35
Vegeshite_MiteKotCzarny, XD12:35
KotCzarnyn900 is fine12:35
KotCzarnyit's just design fail12:35
Vegeshite_Mitenah i definitely felt a vacuum once as i walked past a n90012:36
Vegeshite_Mitemy left ear popped12:36
drathiror to strong amp...12:36
Vegeshite_Mitedrathir, english?12:36
KotCzarnydrathir: same thing, design fail12:36
Vegeshite_Miteahh amplitude12:36
Vegeshite_Miteso whats this 3d audio stuff12:37
KotCzarnyall audio is 3d12:37
Vegeshite_Miteno it isnt12:38
KotCzarnyit's basic physics12:38
KotCzarnyit is12:38
Vegeshite_Mitetheyre 2d signals broadcasted in a 3d environment12:38
Vegeshite_Mitesorry12:38
KotCzarnythe only way to audio be 2d you would have to wire n900 directly to your ear neurons12:38
KotCzarnyyeah12:39
Vegeshite_MiteKotCzarny, so how much is the new n900 gonna cost12:40
Vegeshite_Mitewhats the current estimate12:40
Vegeshite_Mite1200 euros?12:41
drathireven old cards have 3d sound...12:41
Vegeshite_Miteyeah12:41
Vegeshite_Mitei have 3d sound coming out of my tv right now12:42
KotCzarny2 speakers is enough to produce/simulate 3d sound12:42
Vegeshite_Miteall audio is 3d12:42
drathirthe n900 have stereo speakers with good sample and room enviroment also possible make a effect similar to bee flying around the head i guess...12:43
Vegeshite_Miteyoure head's full of bees12:44
Vegeshite_Mitebuzz buzz buzz buzz12:44
drathirVegeshite_Mite: but ofc dont You should suspect dolby sorraround sound and effects from n900;p12:45
Vegeshite_Mitesorry my n900 is THX certified12:45
drathirthx sound starting in background...12:46
KotCzarnydon't break anything12:46
Vegeshite_Mitedid you know that the guy filming twister had so many bright lights to produce an effect of darkness that cast and crew actually got sunburned12:50
* drathir like twister...12:50
KotCzarny'likes'12:51
Vegeshite_Mitenow all you do is stand in front of a blu screen12:51
* drathir like old good green screen...12:51
KotCzarny'likes'12:51
KotCzarnyin third person you have to add 's' to verbs12:52
Vegeshite_Mitethe ending of twister's a little bit unbelievable though12:53
Vegeshite_Mitecool12:53
Vegeshite_Mitebut still12:53
Vegeshite_Mitewith all that debris flying around12:53
Vegeshite_Mitethey still come out not looking like swiss chees?e12:53
KotCzarnyheros dont become swiss cheese12:54
Vegeshite_Miteheroes12:54
Vegeshite_Miteyes they do12:54
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Vegeshite_Mitespongebob squarepants12:54
KotCzarnyhe still lives12:55
Vegeshite_Mitein a house12:56
Vegeshite_Mitewell i guess he never became swiss cheese in as much as he was born cheese12:56
Vegeshite_Miteso that dont count12:56
Vegeshite_Mitewhatabout armageddon12:56
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Vegeshite_MiteKotCzarny, so how much is the neo90013:06
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Vegeshite_Mitehttp://wanderingtrader.com/antarctica/best-things-to-do-in-antarctica-tourist-attractions/13:08
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Vegeshite_Mitethere hasnt been any updates on the official website for almost 3 months13:10
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Vegeshite_MiteKotCzarny, so the neo900 is making freedom and privacy as its main goal13:49
KotCzarnythat's what they wrote13:49
Vegeshite_MiteFAP?13:49
KotCzarnyyeah, i missed that name for my player13:50
Vegeshite_Miteneo900 the FAP-tastic phone13:52
Vegeshite_Mitecant wait to get my FAP on with the neo90013:54
Vegeshite_MiteKotCzarny, so when is the expected release date13:54
Vegeshite_Mitethis year still or what13:54
KotCzarnyfight for your FAP rights!13:56
KotCzarnyvege: i'm not in any way connected with neo90013:56
KotCzarnyask on the board13:56
Vegeshite_Mitemeh13:56
Vegeshite_Miteim not fap friendly13:56
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KotCzarnyfap or die13:57
Vegeshite_Mitei interfere with people's fap13:57
Vegeshite_Miteneo900 a fap paradigm13:58
Vegeshite_Mitehey hey ho ho we want our faps13:58
KotCzarny'wants'13:59
Vegeshite_Miteheh?13:59
KotCzarnygrammar13:59
Vegeshite_Miteis that proper l33t grammer?13:59
Vegeshite_Mitewants our faps13:59
Vegeshite_Mitefap for life14:00
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Vegeshite_MiteKotCzarny, is fossdem a fap gathering?14:20
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KotCzarnycould be14:45
uuhimhereKotCzarny, have you been to it14:47
KotCzarnynope, i'm individual FAPper14:48
uuhimherefap is more fun when its a social prerogative14:48
uuhimheremore social fap is needed14:49
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DerHatwhen i try connect to whatsapp using yappari the registration frame is shown, each time i try to reregister the whatsapp servers block my connection, have i got hacked or is something else wrong?16:54
KotCzarnyuse pc16:54
KotCzarnyyou will know16:54
DerHatpc for yappari/whatsapp?16:55
KotCzarnyor android16:55
KotCzarnywhatever it needs16:55
DerHatwhat do u mean? network connection on phone is working because i can ping google servers.16:56
KotCzarnyi mean you will know if your ip is blocked or if their service changed16:56
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ceeneDerHat: yappari needs to be upgraded to catch up with latest official releases16:59
ceeneplease be patient16:59
ceeneand please, notice that this is something that will keep happening from time to time16:59
ceenethere's already been quite a few notifications on the forum thread16:59
DerHatceene thats a good message for me, thx very much :- )17:00
ceenean upgrade will probably released today17:00
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fishbulbhey I'm trying to install bluemaemo18:49
KotCzarnyand?18:50
fishbulbwait a minute i'll tell you what it says, there's a problem18:51
KotCzarnyalso: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=BlueMaemo&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emai18:51
KotCzarnycheck if your problem isn't already there18:51
fishbulbthanks I will18:51
fishbulbbroken packages or conflicting packages18:53
KotCzarnycheck your pkg list18:54
KotCzarnyerm. repo list18:55
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fishbulbfor what?18:59
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fishbulbthere is a log19:06
fishbulbit lists all the dependencies that are "unmet"19:09
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fishbulbalso I'm not sure why it'd have bluemaemo in the repo and not the dependencies it needed19:09
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fishbulbcould someone help out please19:16
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DerHatdid u edit /etc/apt/sources.list ?19:27
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fishbulbI figured out the missing dependency19:54
fishbulbbut now I install bluemaemo and it doesn't show up in the "app list"19:54
fishbulbI'm using cssu and power kernel. obviously19:55
fishbulbok reinstall, went to open it, nothing appeared. I assume something is supposed to?19:58
KotCzarnyread the manual?19:58
fishbulbthis thing is to control an android tablet while I struggle to not have to buy an android phone19:59
KotCzarnyhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Bluemaemo19:59
Vajbfishbulb: search google for bluemaemo install problem. U need to install specific version of libeet20:11
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VajbKotCzarny: ur player seems fast and efficient, but i haven't got time to test it through. I would need to learn some basic commands for, but i've been and will be busy with life for some time. Is there a list of commands in some specific file that i can read? Or even to set my own?20:14
fishbulbok that was a drama to install20:15
fishbulband what an horrific disappointment20:15
fishbulbI assumed the touch area would be a mouse and the keyboard a keyboard20:15
fishbulbfunctioning as a bluetooth hid device, but you have to use tiny onscreen controls and the stylus20:16
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Vajbfishbulb: yet another problem with it, but it can be fixed too. Search for the bluemamo fixkbdfocus in google20:18
fishbulbit's crap like this that edges me towards an android phone :(20:18
KotCzarnyas if droid apps are cream of the development20:18
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Vajbsometimes it might fix just by starting bluemaemo. Then press power button to bring up menu. Then tap empty spot below menu to get back to bluemaemo. If that doesn't help u need fixkbdfocus.20:19
Vajband in my opinion problem isn't the maemo itself, but the program being under development still20:20
fishbulbI'm having a look at kbdfocus20:20
fishbulbit's that everyone jumped ship and this was a niche market phone to ever begin with20:21
Vajbread carefully. U don't need to install easydebian. Just two small files20:21
fishbulbandroid is nearly EVERY phone other than "iphone"20:21
KotCzarnysure20:22
fishbulbI can see it's appeal too, I have a rooted tablet, it's good. enough.20:22
KotCzarny'android'20:22
KotCzarnybuy android20:22
KotCzarnythen be out of the loop fast20:22
KotCzarnyapps needing 4.x or 5.x only?20:22
Vajbmaybe u r interested of reading android lollipop update and it's problems.20:22
KotCzarnysorry you still are on 2.3.x20:22
KotCzarnyit's like saying 'go windows'20:22
fishbulbI'm talking about this phone and bluemaemo20:23
fishbulbI can see why people like android20:23
KotCzarnyn900 is for linux knowledgeable people20:23
KotCzarnythat know how and like to tinker with it20:23
KotCzarnyand being ABLE to do so20:23
fishbulbbeing forced to do so20:24
KotCzarny</rant>20:24
KotCzarnyi got my n900 in 200920:24
KotCzarnystill using it20:24
KotCzarnynot going to go droid20:24
fishbulbheh what do you think I'm using20:24
Vajbn900 taught me more in one year than using desktop linux ten years20:24
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Vajbfishbulb: did u found the fix already?20:25
fishbulbVajb no not yet20:25
fishbulbis it possible to use the mouse and keyboard at the same time?20:26
Vajbyes20:26
Vajbexactly the way u would guess20:26
Vajbbut it needs that fix20:27
fishbulbwhich was the fix20:27
Vajbbear with me few minutes and i'll find a link for u20:27
fishbulbfixkbdfocus but.. I should sleep20:28
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Vajbstill there fishbulb?20:36
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Vajbgo to maemo.org and searc for introducing bluemaemo thread. Go to page 67 and post 666. Do what it says and then start bluemaemo and issue 'fixkbdfocus bluemaemo' in terminal and it should work.20:38
fishbulbyeah20:38
Vajbit's been awhile since i did that, but that should do the trick.20:39
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Vajbbut on my other device i have cssu-thumb and there bluemaemo works without that fix20:39
fishbulbthanks for your help20:41
Vajbur welcome. That was result of one week of research :)20:42
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lopxhi :]21:30
KotCzarnyho21:30
lopxwhat do you do with your n900 if you still have one ;p ?21:31
KotCzarnyuse21:31
KotCzarnyalso, see my oscp player21:31
lopxmy battery died so atm I'm trying to find new things to use it for once the battery comes in21:32
lopxoscp is nice ;D21:32
KotCzarnyhave you used it?21:32
KotCzarnywhere is my feedback?!21:32
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lopxwas checking it out21:36
lopxnot yet ha21:36
KotCzarnyok, you are excused then21:36
lopx2 days till my new battery ;]21:37
KotCzarnyyou can install it on pc too21:37
KotCzarnysame functionality21:37
lopxsweet, on it and I'll obv give props21:37
lopx;p21:38
KotCzarnyalso, you can control pc core from n900's remote and n900's core from pc's remote21:38
KotCzarnyjust fy21:38
KotCzarny*fyi21:38
KotCzarnymy 'i' is dying21:38
KotCzarnyhrm21:38
lopxaah21:38
lopxk downloading tar21:39
lopxchecking it out brb :D21:39
KotCzarnyhmm, i should update pc pkg too21:41
KotCzarnytwo days of changes21:41
KotCzarny:)21:41
KotCzarnyalso, grab the winamp skins package (1.2gb) from the other thread21:42
lopxty KotCzarny21:43
KotCzarnyupped x86 package21:46
lopxtrying to sort it our ha http://s28.postimg.org/b03dkltzx/Screenshot_from_2015_03_14_12_45_21.png21:47
lopxwas that the right one I downloaded damn I hate being in a hurry ;/21:48
KotCzarnytry: oscp -l 221:48
lopxnot found atm21:49
lopxoh nv,21:49
lopxnvm works21:49
KotCzarny:)21:49
KotCzarnywhat was the cause?21:49
lopxmy fucky way of doing stuff21:49
lopx;p21:49
KotCzarny:)21:49
lopxwrong dir21:49
lopxgoing to switch to a different system quick and I it'll be sick21:53
KotCzarny:)21:53
lopxty ^^^21:53
KotCzarnyalso, use oscp-remote21:53
KotCzarnyit can spawn local core with single click21:53
lopxkk21:53
KotCzarnyalso, core stays n the bg21:53
KotCzarnyso unless you are console freak, use gui21:54
lopxnot a console freak ;p why I'm switching hah21:55
KotCzarnybtw. there is even pygtk for windows, so you can run core on n900 or pc linux and control from windows21:56
lopxI didn't know that, ty again21:57
KotCzarnyat some point im going to compile core for windows too21:57
KotCzarnyand maybe i make me a hackintosh vm and make one for osx21:58
KotCzarnywho knows21:58
lopxhaving hard time passing spam check2 hah to give pos feed ;/21:59
lopxsadly I have to re-register21:59
KotCzarnyno worries22:00
lopxoooh just a nimber nvm22:02
lopxI was putting eight eight eight in words ;D22:02
KotCzarny:)22:02
KotCzarnyalso, remember it can play just any file, and treats zip fles as directores22:03
KotCzarny(rars too)22:03
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lopx5 stars man22:04
KotCzarnyalso, spread the word22:05
lopxwill do friend22:06
KotCzarnyit can also play videos if you have mplayer installed22:06
lopxI mostly have pen test tools22:07
KotCzarnyso you can treat it as a frontend to it too22:07
lopxhah22:07
KotCzarnyie. you can run core on pc connected to tv22:07
KotCzarnyand control video play via remote from n90022:07
lopxI;m trying to use oscp-remote and I think it's the way my system is22:08
KotCzarnycore expects to find things in /opt22:08
lopxOh I see]22:09
KotCzarnyso you should unpack to /22:09
KotCzarnyone day  may make proper debian/*buntu/arch/gentoo package22:10
lopx;]22:10
KotCzarnybut that would require installing each of them for testing etc..22:10
KotCzarnyfun22:10
lopxcan't wait to instlling on my n900 ;]22:12
KotCzarny:)22:12
KotCzarnyit also works on n8x022:12
lopxwell, KotCzarny I'm going to disconnect. I'm lurking here from time to time would be nice to talk to you again22:14
KotCzarnykk22:14
lopxty22:14
KotCzarnyi still have a list in todo, so should be there22:14
lopxah ;]22:14
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DerHatis the update for yappari available?23:51
Sicelothey are definitely working on it. good things come to those who (you know)23:57

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