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| newbieAlert | hey is ther any way to know which applications are actually producing sound, like browser & vlc?? | 04:14 |
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| unbreakable | gooogle sound alsa threads linux ? | 04:17 |
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| newbieAlert | unbreakable: yeah did!1 but sorry, ic ould not find what i needed. | 04:36 |
| erlehmann | ._. | 04:37 |
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| KotCzarny | newbieAlert: maybe pulseaudio has such feature | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | alsa can only tell if it has any playback/record streams CONNECTED | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | but on n900 alsa driver has no internal mixer, ie. only one stream can be connected at a time | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | though alsa can add software mixer | 07:42 |
| Luke-Jr | afaik no drivers have internal mixers, only hardware and dmix (which ALSA sets up by default) | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | luke: not true | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | well, by internal mixer i meant hardware mixer | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.beastwithin.org/blogs/wolfheadofselfrepair/2013/07/pulseaudio-insidious-linux-malware | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:45 |
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| unbreakable | KotCzarny, whatbout oss | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | i'm talking about n900 | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | on linux i don't have pulseaudio | 08:59 |
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| unbreakable | KotCzarny, pulseaudio == oss? | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | no | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | pulseaudio == abomination | 09:17 |
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| drathir | pulse sadly should be burned... only clean alsa when possible... | 11:53 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | oss works fine | 11:57 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | dont know about pulse | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | oss on n900? | 12:02 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | yeah | 12:08 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | in my dreams | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | stock fremantle? | 12:09 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | if i had some | 12:09 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so no it doesnt | 12:09 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | :P | 12:09 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | but i dont see why it couldnt | 12:09 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | oss unlike alsa was made to be cross platform | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | i think you can get it to work by installing pcm-snd-pcm module | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | alsa has oss compatibility mode, but you need to load modules | 12:09 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | or rebuild the kernel with oss? | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | not going to happen | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | no oss driver for n900 | 12:10 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | why not | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | only alsa emu | 12:10 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so i was over at #bitcoin and i learned that youd be better off with potatocoins | 12:10 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | can you mine on smarthones | 12:12 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/building_own_kernel-oss_emulation/ | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | but if you listen alsa/oss directly on device speakers you can destroy them, so it's only useful when using headphones/connect to stereo | 12:22 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | how can they get destroyed? | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | pulseaudio filtersout low freqs | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise device speakers get owned | 12:24 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, well its not the frequency that blows speakers its the amplitude | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | i've read it's the low freqs | 12:26 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | how so | 12:26 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | from what i understand its the dynamic range of the speaker that gets exceeded by the amplitude being fed into it thereby causing the magnet to blow the diaphragm | 12:30 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | that was a very convoluted way of saying the magnet pushes the paper too far | 12:30 |
| * Vegeshite_Mite has been spending way too much time in ##c | 12:30 | |
| KotCzarny | but it's most pronounced with lowest freqs | 12:30 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | dunno | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | think about it, when you punch someone, what is worse, short blows or long blow | 12:33 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | depends on whos doing the punching | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | same amplitude | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 12:34 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | could be ... maybe the speakers arent sensitive enough to fully reach peak amplitude on high freqs so low freq actually allow the mechanics of the speaker to deliver full energy | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | it's not sensitivity, told you | 12:35 |
| drathir | that could be the quwstiion wh producer used so weak speakers... | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | it's just that low freqs moving more energy | 12:35 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, maybe its just that n900's suck | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | *move | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 12:35 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, XD | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | n900 is fine | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | it's just design fail | 12:35 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | nah i definitely felt a vacuum once as i walked past a n900 | 12:36 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | my left ear popped | 12:36 |
| drathir | or to strong amp... | 12:36 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | drathir, english? | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: same thing, design fail | 12:36 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | ahh amplitude | 12:36 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so whats this 3d audio stuff | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | all audio is 3d | 12:37 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | no it isnt | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | it's basic physics | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | it is | 12:38 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | theyre 2d signals broadcasted in a 3d environment | 12:38 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | sorry | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | the only way to audio be 2d you would have to wire n900 directly to your ear neurons | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 12:39 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, so how much is the new n900 gonna cost | 12:40 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | whats the current estimate | 12:40 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | 1200 euros? | 12:41 |
| drathir | even old cards have 3d sound... | 12:41 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | yeah | 12:41 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | i have 3d sound coming out of my tv right now | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | 2 speakers is enough to produce/simulate 3d sound | 12:42 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | all audio is 3d | 12:42 |
| drathir | the n900 have stereo speakers with good sample and room enviroment also possible make a effect similar to bee flying around the head i guess... | 12:43 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | youre head's full of bees | 12:44 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | buzz buzz buzz buzz | 12:44 |
| drathir | Vegeshite_Mite: but ofc dont You should suspect dolby sorraround sound and effects from n900;p | 12:45 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | sorry my n900 is THX certified | 12:45 |
| drathir | thx sound starting in background... | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | don't break anything | 12:46 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | did you know that the guy filming twister had so many bright lights to produce an effect of darkness that cast and crew actually got sunburned | 12:50 |
| * drathir like twister... | 12:50 | |
| KotCzarny | 'likes' | 12:51 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | now all you do is stand in front of a blu screen | 12:51 |
| * drathir like old good green screen... | 12:51 | |
| KotCzarny | 'likes' | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | in third person you have to add 's' to verbs | 12:52 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | the ending of twister's a little bit unbelievable though | 12:53 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | cool | 12:53 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | but still | 12:53 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | with all that debris flying around | 12:53 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | they still come out not looking like swiss chees?e | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | heros dont become swiss cheese | 12:54 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | heroes | 12:54 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | yes they do | 12:54 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | spongebob squarepants | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | he still lives | 12:55 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | in a house | 12:56 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | well i guess he never became swiss cheese in as much as he was born cheese | 12:56 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so that dont count | 12:56 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | whatabout armageddon | 12:56 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, so how much is the neo900 | 13:06 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | http://wanderingtrader.com/antarctica/best-things-to-do-in-antarctica-tourist-attractions/ | 13:08 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | there hasnt been any updates on the official website for almost 3 months | 13:10 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, so the neo900 is making freedom and privacy as its main goal | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | that's what they wrote | 13:49 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | FAP? | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, i missed that name for my player | 13:50 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | neo900 the FAP-tastic phone | 13:52 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | cant wait to get my FAP on with the neo900 | 13:54 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, so when is the expected release date | 13:54 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | this year still or what | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | fight for your FAP rights! | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | vege: i'm not in any way connected with neo900 | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | ask on the board | 13:56 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | meh | 13:56 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | im not fap friendly | 13:56 |
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| KotCzarny | fap or die | 13:57 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | i interfere with people's fap | 13:57 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | neo900 a fap paradigm | 13:58 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | hey hey ho ho we want our faps | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | 'wants' | 13:59 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | heh? | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | grammar | 13:59 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | is that proper l33t grammer? | 13:59 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | wants our faps | 13:59 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | fap for life | 14:00 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, is fossdem a fap gathering? | 14:20 |
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| KotCzarny | could be | 14:45 |
| uuhimhere | KotCzarny, have you been to it | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | nope, i'm individual FAPper | 14:48 |
| uuhimhere | fap is more fun when its a social prerogative | 14:48 |
| uuhimhere | more social fap is needed | 14:49 |
| * uuhimhere feels the fap thing has been wrung dry so he's dropping it | 14:49 | |
| * uuhimhere is gonna try to catch some higs boson watching a discovery channel reality show | 14:50 | |
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| DerHat | when i try connect to whatsapp using yappari the registration frame is shown, each time i try to reregister the whatsapp servers block my connection, have i got hacked or is something else wrong? | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | use pc | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | you will know | 16:54 |
| DerHat | pc for yappari/whatsapp? | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | or android | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | whatever it needs | 16:55 |
| DerHat | what do u mean? network connection on phone is working because i can ping google servers. | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | i mean you will know if your ip is blocked or if their service changed | 16:56 |
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| ceene | DerHat: yappari needs to be upgraded to catch up with latest official releases | 16:59 |
| ceene | please be patient | 16:59 |
| ceene | and please, notice that this is something that will keep happening from time to time | 16:59 |
| ceene | there's already been quite a few notifications on the forum thread | 16:59 |
| DerHat | ceene thats a good message for me, thx very much :- ) | 17:00 |
| ceene | an upgrade will probably released today | 17:00 |
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| fishbulb | hey I'm trying to install bluemaemo | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | and? | 18:50 |
| fishbulb | wait a minute i'll tell you what it says, there's a problem | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | also: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=BlueMaemo&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emai | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | check if your problem isn't already there | 18:51 |
| fishbulb | thanks I will | 18:51 |
| fishbulb | broken packages or conflicting packages | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | check your pkg list | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | erm. repo list | 18:55 |
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| fishbulb | for what? | 18:59 |
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| fishbulb | there is a log | 19:06 |
| fishbulb | it lists all the dependencies that are "unmet" | 19:09 |
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| fishbulb | also I'm not sure why it'd have bluemaemo in the repo and not the dependencies it needed | 19:09 |
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| fishbulb | could someone help out please | 19:16 |
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| DerHat | did u edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 19:27 |
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| fishbulb | I figured out the missing dependency | 19:54 |
| fishbulb | but now I install bluemaemo and it doesn't show up in the "app list" | 19:54 |
| fishbulb | I'm using cssu and power kernel. obviously | 19:55 |
| fishbulb | ok reinstall, went to open it, nothing appeared. I assume something is supposed to? | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | read the manual? | 19:58 |
| fishbulb | this thing is to control an android tablet while I struggle to not have to buy an android phone | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluemaemo | 19:59 |
| Vajb | fishbulb: search google for bluemaemo install problem. U need to install specific version of libeet | 20:11 |
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| Vajb | KotCzarny: ur player seems fast and efficient, but i haven't got time to test it through. I would need to learn some basic commands for, but i've been and will be busy with life for some time. Is there a list of commands in some specific file that i can read? Or even to set my own? | 20:14 |
| fishbulb | ok that was a drama to install | 20:15 |
| fishbulb | and what an horrific disappointment | 20:15 |
| fishbulb | I assumed the touch area would be a mouse and the keyboard a keyboard | 20:15 |
| fishbulb | functioning as a bluetooth hid device, but you have to use tiny onscreen controls and the stylus | 20:16 |
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| Vajb | fishbulb: yet another problem with it, but it can be fixed too. Search for the bluemamo fixkbdfocus in google | 20:18 |
| fishbulb | it's crap like this that edges me towards an android phone :( | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | as if droid apps are cream of the development | 20:18 |
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| Vajb | sometimes it might fix just by starting bluemaemo. Then press power button to bring up menu. Then tap empty spot below menu to get back to bluemaemo. If that doesn't help u need fixkbdfocus. | 20:19 |
| Vajb | and in my opinion problem isn't the maemo itself, but the program being under development still | 20:20 |
| fishbulb | I'm having a look at kbdfocus | 20:20 |
| fishbulb | it's that everyone jumped ship and this was a niche market phone to ever begin with | 20:21 |
| Vajb | read carefully. U don't need to install easydebian. Just two small files | 20:21 |
| fishbulb | android is nearly EVERY phone other than "iphone" | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 20:22 |
| fishbulb | I can see it's appeal too, I have a rooted tablet, it's good. enough. | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | 'android' | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | buy android | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | then be out of the loop fast | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | apps needing 4.x or 5.x only? | 20:22 |
| Vajb | maybe u r interested of reading android lollipop update and it's problems. | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | sorry you still are on 2.3.x | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | it's like saying 'go windows' | 20:22 |
| fishbulb | I'm talking about this phone and bluemaemo | 20:23 |
| fishbulb | I can see why people like android | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | n900 is for linux knowledgeable people | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | that know how and like to tinker with it | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | and being ABLE to do so | 20:23 |
| fishbulb | being forced to do so | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | </rant> | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | i got my n900 in 2009 | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | still using it | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | not going to go droid | 20:24 |
| fishbulb | heh what do you think I'm using | 20:24 |
| Vajb | n900 taught me more in one year than using desktop linux ten years | 20:24 |
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| Vajb | fishbulb: did u found the fix already? | 20:25 |
| fishbulb | Vajb no not yet | 20:25 |
| fishbulb | is it possible to use the mouse and keyboard at the same time? | 20:26 |
| Vajb | yes | 20:26 |
| Vajb | exactly the way u would guess | 20:26 |
| Vajb | but it needs that fix | 20:27 |
| fishbulb | which was the fix | 20:27 |
| Vajb | bear with me few minutes and i'll find a link for u | 20:27 |
| fishbulb | fixkbdfocus but.. I should sleep | 20:28 |
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| Vajb | still there fishbulb? | 20:36 |
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| Vajb | go to maemo.org and searc for introducing bluemaemo thread. Go to page 67 and post 666. Do what it says and then start bluemaemo and issue 'fixkbdfocus bluemaemo' in terminal and it should work. | 20:38 |
| fishbulb | yeah | 20:38 |
| Vajb | it's been awhile since i did that, but that should do the trick. | 20:39 |
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| Vajb | but on my other device i have cssu-thumb and there bluemaemo works without that fix | 20:39 |
| fishbulb | thanks for your help | 20:41 |
| Vajb | ur welcome. That was result of one week of research :) | 20:42 |
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| lopx | hi :] | 21:30 |
| KotCzarny | ho | 21:30 |
| lopx | what do you do with your n900 if you still have one ;p ? | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | use | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | also, see my oscp player | 21:31 |
| lopx | my battery died so atm I'm trying to find new things to use it for once the battery comes in | 21:32 |
| lopx | oscp is nice ;D | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | have you used it? | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | where is my feedback?! | 21:32 |
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| lopx | was checking it out | 21:36 |
| lopx | not yet ha | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | ok, you are excused then | 21:36 |
| lopx | 2 days till my new battery ;] | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | you can install it on pc too | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | same functionality | 21:37 |
| lopx | sweet, on it and I'll obv give props | 21:37 |
| lopx | ;p | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | also, you can control pc core from n900's remote and n900's core from pc's remote | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | just fy | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | *fyi | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | my 'i' is dying | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 21:38 |
| lopx | aah | 21:38 |
| lopx | k downloading tar | 21:39 |
| lopx | checking it out brb :D | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, i should update pc pkg too | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | two days of changes | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | also, grab the winamp skins package (1.2gb) from the other thread | 21:42 |
| lopx | ty KotCzarny | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | upped x86 package | 21:46 |
| lopx | trying to sort it our ha http://s28.postimg.org/b03dkltzx/Screenshot_from_2015_03_14_12_45_21.png | 21:47 |
| lopx | was that the right one I downloaded damn I hate being in a hurry ;/ | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | try: oscp -l 2 | 21:48 |
| lopx | not found atm | 21:49 |
| lopx | oh nv, | 21:49 |
| lopx | nvm works | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | what was the cause? | 21:49 |
| lopx | my fucky way of doing stuff | 21:49 |
| lopx | ;p | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:49 |
| lopx | wrong dir | 21:49 |
| lopx | going to switch to a different system quick and I it'll be sick | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:53 |
| lopx | ty ^^^ | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | also, use oscp-remote | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | it can spawn local core with single click | 21:53 |
| lopx | kk | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | also, core stays n the bg | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | so unless you are console freak, use gui | 21:54 |
| lopx | not a console freak ;p why I'm switching hah | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | btw. there is even pygtk for windows, so you can run core on n900 or pc linux and control from windows | 21:56 |
| lopx | I didn't know that, ty again | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | at some point im going to compile core for windows too | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | and maybe i make me a hackintosh vm and make one for osx | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | who knows | 21:58 |
| lopx | having hard time passing spam check2 hah to give pos feed ;/ | 21:59 |
| lopx | sadly I have to re-register | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | no worries | 22:00 |
| lopx | oooh just a nimber nvm | 22:02 |
| lopx | I was putting eight eight eight in words ;D | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | also, remember it can play just any file, and treats zip fles as directores | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | (rars too) | 22:03 |
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| lopx | 5 stars man | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | also, spread the word | 22:05 |
| lopx | will do friend | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | it can also play videos if you have mplayer installed | 22:06 |
| lopx | I mostly have pen test tools | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | so you can treat it as a frontend to it too | 22:07 |
| lopx | hah | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you can run core on pc connected to tv | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | and control video play via remote from n900 | 22:07 |
| lopx | I;m trying to use oscp-remote and I think it's the way my system is | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | core expects to find things in /opt | 22:08 |
| lopx | Oh I see] | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | so you should unpack to / | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | one day may make proper debian/*buntu/arch/gentoo package | 22:10 |
| lopx | ;] | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | but that would require installing each of them for testing etc.. | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | fun | 22:10 |
| lopx | can't wait to instlling on my n900 ;] | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | it also works on n8x0 | 22:12 |
| lopx | well, KotCzarny I'm going to disconnect. I'm lurking here from time to time would be nice to talk to you again | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | kk | 22:14 |
| lopx | ty | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | i still have a list in todo, so should be there | 22:14 |
| lopx | ah ;] | 22:14 |
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| DerHat | is the update for yappari available? | 23:51 |
| Sicelo | they are definitely working on it. good things come to those who (you know) | 23:57 |
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