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| uhhimhere | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmoGanNI-fw | 07:25 |
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| iluminator105 | what folder in n900 is the contacts | 07:43 |
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| Maxdamantus | to answer iluminator105's question, it looks like it's in ~/.osso-abook/db/, but he's gone. | 09:15 |
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| Maxdamantus | I notice on the registration form on talk.maemo.org all the timezones are listed relative to GMT. | 09:53 |
| Maxdamantus | GMT isn't used anymore. It should be relative to UTC. | 09:53 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Maxdamantus: probably something to do with vB | 12:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | infact most world clocks are like that | 12:07 |
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| chem|st | Maxdamantus: that is not that easy to change, you have to take into account that there are DST depending on the zone you are in and UTC does not have DST, GMT has | 14:27 |
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| Maxdamantus | chem|st: neither GST nor UTC have DST. | 14:35 |
| Maxdamantus | chem|st: GST and UTC basically identical in purpose. We just don't use GMT anymore. | 14:36 |
| Maxdamantus | we use UTC, which increments in terms of SI seconds rather than being derived from Earth's orbital position and angular difference from the Sun. | 14:37 |
| Maxdamantus | (and jumps occasionally to be closer to UT1, which is derived from the angular positions of a catalogue of distant bright objects) | 14:38 |
| Maxdamantus | so UT1 is like a more accurate version of GMT, but UT1 only guides UTC, which is what timestamps today are based on. | 14:39 |
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| Maxdamantus | chem|st: if you're thinking of England's timezone, it uses BST in the summer. | 14:44 |
| Maxdamantus | Otherwise the timezone should be described as UTC, though people probably still describe it as GMT there. | 14:44 |
| Maxdamantus | like how here in NZ we change between NZST (NZ standard time) and NZDT (NZ daylight saving time) | 14:45 |
| Maxdamantus | DST is about switching between timezones, not altering the meaning of a timezone. | 14:45 |
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| chem|st | Maxdamantus: honestly, I could not care less, if GMT and UTC are the same in that perspective why not just leave it that way? I could update the phrases and call on a shitstorm about what is UTC... | 15:00 |
| Maxdamantus | That's as valid a reason not to fix any mistake. | 15:01 |
| bencoh | I guess it all comes from the recent leap second announcement ? ;) | 15:02 |
| chem|st | Maxdamantus: what is your local scale of weight, length, distance, speed, height, body sizes? | 15:02 |
| chem|st | bencoh: and that is just stupid as most people using UTC are using it as UTC==GMT | 15:02 |
| Maxdamantus | chem|st: metric, usually, except for body height. | 15:03 |
| Maxdamantus | and maybe wind speed. | 15:03 |
| chem|st | Maxdamantus: bodyweight is stone? windspeed is knots? | 15:04 |
| chem|st | eh height... | 15:04 |
| Maxdamantus | body weight is usually kg. | 15:04 |
| chem|st | why have all metric but body height? | 15:04 |
| Maxdamantus | Not sure. I'm not really familiar with it myself. | 15:04 |
| Maxdamantus | but other people seem to always describe people's heights in feet/inches. | 15:05 |
| chem|st | lol | 15:06 |
| chem|st | for the time shift.... it is pretty ok to me that time-of-day is a derivate of the orbital position as I don't see that UTC will not become reset to GMT at some point where G8 decide that SI seconds are too short | 15:10 |
| Maxdamantus | reset to GMT doesn't really make sense. | 15:11 |
| Maxdamantus | GMT refers to a method of timekeeping that's no longer used. | 15:11 |
| chem|st | used scientifically... | 15:11 |
| Maxdamantus | at all. | 15:11 |
| chem|st | even Cs134 clocks refer to GMT not to UTC | 15:12 |
| Maxdamantus | they look at distant quasars etc | 15:12 |
| Maxdamantus | No. Cs134 clocks have nothing to do with GMT. | 15:12 |
| Maxdamantus | They track UTC. | 15:12 |
| chem|st | for global flight time GMT==UTC | 15:13 |
| Maxdamantus | The current analogue of GMT is UT1. | 15:13 |
| chem|st | so in a few years it is UT2? | 15:13 |
| Maxdamantus | or arguably UT0 or UT2, but I'm not sure what they use those for. | 15:13 |
| Maxdamantus | I think there already is UT2. | 15:13 |
| Maxdamantus | “UT2 is a smoothed version of UT1, filtering out periodic seasonal variations. It is mostly of historic interest and rarely used anymore. ” | 15:14 |
| Maxdamantus | according to Wikipedia. | 15:14 |
| chem|st | and who uses UT1? | 15:15 |
| Maxdamantus | UTC uses UT1 to decide when to leap. | 15:15 |
| Maxdamantus | though I think they've decided to stop doing that, as bencoh was alluding to. | 15:16 |
| Maxdamantus | UTC = UT1 + DUT | 15:16 |
| chem|st | most people in EU/NA count gmt+- | 15:16 |
| Maxdamantus | -0.9 < DUT < 0.9 | 15:16 |
| chem|st | if they count at all | 15:17 |
| chem|st | we better get rid of DST instead of fucking up seconds | 15:17 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes. DST is obviously pointless nowadays. | 15:18 |
| chem|st | it was when it was invented | 15:18 |
| chem|st | but some people have a good point... we should alter our systems to have that 1hour in general as it gives you more time outside in the evening | 15:19 |
| Maxdamantus | That's why countries that abolish it often stick with what they had as their daylight savings time. | 15:19 |
| chem|st | yes | 15:20 |
| Maxdamantus | instead of their standard time. | 15:20 |
| merlin1991 | hey chem|st, what I wanted to ask you yesterday, can you please remove all the estel tags from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525 ? | 15:22 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: done | 15:22 |
| merlin1991 | thanks | 15:22 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: you can just use the Report This button and ask to remove tags, s/o will do it | 15:23 |
| merlin1991 | heh, that didn't even cross my mind | 15:23 |
| chem|st | we should discuss if not all techstaff should have some more rights on tmo, we have a hidden staff section already | 15:24 |
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| Sicelo | on N900, is someone able to get more than a black page on http://tv.jw.org/ ? | 22:10 |
| Sicelo | not sure what problem could be however | 22:13 |
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| xes | Sicelo: this could say why: http://validator.w3.org/ | 22:21 |
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| Sicelo | 387 erros :( | 22:30 |
| Sicelo | hmm, also seems to be html-5. i'll assume that's the main reason | 22:32 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | well i would argue a poorly coded site is the main reason | 22:55 |
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| Sicelo | pity qml-browser doesn't work on thumb, so can't test there | 23:12 |
| kerio | use fennec 17 | 23:15 |
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