IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2015-01-08

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uhhimherehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmoGanNI-fw07:25
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iluminator105what folder in n900 is the contacts07:43
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Maxdamantusto answer iluminator105's question, it looks like it's in ~/.osso-abook/db/, but he's gone.09:15
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MaxdamantusI notice on the registration form on talk.maemo.org all the timezones are listed relative to GMT.09:53
MaxdamantusGMT isn't used anymore. It should be relative to UTC.09:53
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sixwheeledbeastMaxdamantus: probably something to do with vB12:05
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sixwheeledbeastinfact most world clocks are like that12:07
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chem|stMaxdamantus: that is not that easy to change, you have to take into account that there are DST depending on the zone you are in and UTC does not have DST, GMT has14:27
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Maxdamantuschem|st: neither GST nor UTC have DST.14:35
Maxdamantuschem|st: GST and UTC basically identical in purpose. We just don't use GMT anymore.14:36
Maxdamantuswe use UTC, which increments in terms of SI seconds rather than being derived from Earth's orbital position and angular difference from the Sun.14:37
Maxdamantus(and jumps occasionally to be closer to UT1, which is derived from the angular positions of a catalogue of distant bright objects)14:38
Maxdamantusso UT1 is like a more accurate version of GMT, but UT1 only guides UTC, which is what timestamps today are based on.14:39
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Maxdamantuschem|st: if you're thinking of England's timezone, it uses BST in the summer.14:44
MaxdamantusOtherwise the timezone should be described as UTC, though people probably still describe it as GMT there.14:44
Maxdamantuslike how here in NZ we change between NZST (NZ standard time) and NZDT (NZ daylight saving time)14:45
MaxdamantusDST is about switching between timezones, not altering the meaning of a timezone.14:45
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chem|stMaxdamantus: honestly, I could not care less, if GMT and UTC are the same in that perspective why not just leave it that way? I could update the phrases and call on a shitstorm about what is UTC...15:00
MaxdamantusThat's as valid a reason not to fix any mistake.15:01
bencohI guess it all comes from the recent leap second announcement ? ;)15:02
chem|stMaxdamantus: what is your local scale of weight, length, distance, speed, height, body sizes?15:02
chem|stbencoh: and that is just stupid as most people using UTC are using it as UTC==GMT15:02
Maxdamantuschem|st: metric, usually, except for body height.15:03
Maxdamantusand maybe wind speed.15:03
chem|stMaxdamantus: bodyweight is stone? windspeed is knots?15:04
chem|steh height...15:04
Maxdamantusbody weight is usually kg.15:04
chem|stwhy have all metric but body height?15:04
MaxdamantusNot sure. I'm not really familiar with it myself.15:04
Maxdamantusbut other people seem to always describe people's heights in feet/inches.15:05
chem|stlol15:06
chem|stfor the time shift.... it is pretty ok to me that time-of-day is a derivate of the orbital position as I don't see that UTC will not become reset to GMT at some point where G8 decide that SI seconds are too short15:10
Maxdamantusreset to GMT doesn't really make sense.15:11
MaxdamantusGMT refers to a method of timekeeping that's no longer used.15:11
chem|stused scientifically...15:11
Maxdamantusat all.15:11
chem|steven Cs134 clocks refer to GMT not to UTC15:12
Maxdamantusthey look at distant quasars etc15:12
MaxdamantusNo. Cs134 clocks have nothing to do with GMT.15:12
MaxdamantusThey track UTC.15:12
chem|stfor global flight time GMT==UTC15:13
MaxdamantusThe current analogue of GMT is UT1.15:13
chem|stso in a few years it is UT2?15:13
Maxdamantusor arguably UT0 or UT2, but I'm not sure what they use those for.15:13
MaxdamantusI think there already is UT2.15:13
Maxdamantus“UT2 is a smoothed version of UT1, filtering out periodic seasonal variations. It is mostly of historic interest and rarely used anymore. ”15:14
Maxdamantusaccording to Wikipedia.15:14
chem|stand who uses UT1?15:15
MaxdamantusUTC uses UT1 to decide when to leap.15:15
Maxdamantusthough I think they've decided to stop doing that, as bencoh was alluding to.15:16
MaxdamantusUTC = UT1 + DUT15:16
chem|stmost people in EU/NA count gmt+-15:16
Maxdamantus-0.9 < DUT < 0.915:16
chem|stif they count at all15:17
chem|stwe better get rid of DST instead of fucking up seconds15:17
MaxdamantusYes. DST is obviously pointless nowadays.15:18
chem|stit was when it was invented15:18
chem|stbut some people have a good point... we should alter our systems to have that 1hour in general as it gives you more time outside in the evening15:19
MaxdamantusThat's why countries that abolish it often stick with what they had as their daylight savings time.15:19
chem|styes15:20
Maxdamantusinstead of their standard time.15:20
merlin1991hey chem|st, what I wanted to ask you yesterday, can you please remove all the estel tags from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525 ?15:22
chem|stmerlin1991: done15:22
merlin1991thanks15:22
chem|stmerlin1991: you can just use the Report This button and ask to remove tags, s/o will do it15:23
merlin1991heh, that didn't even cross my mind15:23
chem|stwe should discuss if not all techstaff should have some more rights on tmo, we have a hidden staff section already15:24
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Siceloon N900, is someone able to get more than a black page on http://tv.jw.org/ ?22:10
Sicelonot sure what problem could be however22:13
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xesSicelo: this could say why: http://validator.w3.org/22:21
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Sicelo387 erros :(22:30
Sicelohmm, also seems to be html-5. i'll assume that's the main reason22:32
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sixwheeledbeastwell i would argue a poorly coded site is the main reason22:55
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Sicelopity qml-browser doesn't work on thumb, so can't test there23:12
keriouse fennec 1723:15
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