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| sixwheeledbeast | sec: it seems like you had issues before you started installing things. "PC Suite" msg normally means there is some conflict or error. | 00:43 |
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| sec | sixwheeledbeast: Flashing would be the right way to go then? | 10:18 |
| sec | Flashing and then going up for CSSU | 10:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sec: if you have nothing of value on the device, yes. | 10:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You could check on the issue with apt first, it could be something simple. Generally you are better with a clean start if you don't need anything. | 10:33 |
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| sec | No, don't need anything, can easily reflash! | 10:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok | 10:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | make sure you have only Nokia and CSSU repos enabled when you upgrade and you should be fine. Let me know if you get stuck again. | 10:44 |
| sec | Thanks sixwheeledbeast | 10:50 |
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| jonwil | timeless: ping | 22:50 |
| timeless | pong | 22:50 |
| APic | timeless: ping | 22:51 |
| timeless | pong | 22:51 |
| APic | k | 22:51 |
| timeless | APic: fwiw, the pong to jonwil is because we're playing-high-latency-ping-pong | 22:52 |
| jonwil | I was told you know something about gecko stuff. Do you have anything useful to contribute to this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94107&page=3 ? | 22:52 |
| APic | timeless: Nice! | 22:52 |
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| timeless | jonwil: in general, browser-neteal and friends was the way we wanted people to embed gecko at the time | 22:54 |
| timeless | (amusingly, at least two of us are now in this office working at a different vendor) | 22:54 |
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| timeless | jonwil: is the goal to be able to update the gecko for the system? | 22:55 |
| jonwil | Yes the goal is to figure out how fesable it is to bring in a newer gecko | 22:55 |
| jonwil | The webkit discussion is a "if we cant update Gecko, can use use webkit instead?" | 22:55 |
| * timeless ponders | 22:55 | |
| * timeless nods | 22:55 | |
| jonwil | As for browser-neteal, that's great except that Nokia (in its infinite wisdom) never actually published browser-neteal-dev in their SDK... | 22:56 |
| timeless | talk to romaxa on moznet | 22:56 |
| timeless | 1. he still works on gecko | 22:56 |
| jonwil | which channel on moznet do they hang out in? | 22:57 |
| timeless | use /whois :) | 22:58 |
| timeless | you can message him privately, or perhaps publicly in #mozillians (community) or #developers (core devs) | 22:59 |
| timeless | and, i'll give you a freebie, his gender is male :) | 22:59 |
| timeless | https://github.com/romaxa | 22:59 |
| * timeless goes to ask facebook if romaxa still works @nokia | 23:00 | |
| timeless | well, he works @microsoft | 23:00 |
| timeless | (his github account could use an update) | 23:00 |
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| Luke-Jr | timeless: you mean nokia isn't microsoft now? | 23:03 |
| timeless | well, err... | 23:04 |
| timeless | technically there is still an entity named Nokia, and he doesn't work for it :) | 23:04 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 23:06 |
| jonwil | aha, it was romaxa that updated old code in https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/browser/client-server/ for tablet-browser-daemon and browser-neteal to the shipping Fremantle versions 2 years ago (I believe he wasn't willing to publish more code than that at the time, i.e. actual browser UI stuff). Will point him at the thread and ask if he has anything useful to add | 23:06 |
| timeless | היכל נוקיה is amusing | 23:06 |
| * timeless wonders if that's considered IP / P in terms of the valuation of Nokia Oyj :) | 23:07 | |
| jonwil | In any case having the source to the browser UI isn't necessary in order to update Gecko (as gecko is isolated from the UI by the dbus interface tablet-browser-daemon exposes), the trickiest part of updating Gecko is going to be finding a way to keep maps, flash and the other browser plugins working | 23:14 |
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| bencoh | timeless: damnit, I dont have fribidi in irssi :] | 23:26 |
| timeless | heh | 23:27 |
| jonwil | my chatzilla client just gives me garbage for that line... | 23:27 |
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| bencoh | jonwil: hebrew | 23:27 |
| timeless | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tLhyBlQf | 23:27 |
| timeless | there, have a link :) | 23:27 |
| timeless | jonwil: if you ask chatzilla to treat the channel as utf8, it would probably show better :) | 23:28 |
| jonwil | not sure how I do that... | 23:28 |
| timeless | http://www.fifi.org/doc/irssi-gnome/README-HEBREW | 23:29 |
| timeless | http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/#charset | 23:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It would certainly be useful to fix the portrait UI in MicroB. | 23:29 |
| timeless | try /charset utf-8 ? | 23:29 |
| * timeless try this first actually: /charset | 23:30 | |
| jonwil | ok, its using urf-8 now | 23:30 |
| jonwil | not that I can read hebrew in any case :P | 23:31 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: dont we need to completely rewrite it (since we dont have source) ? | 23:33 |
| timeless | jonwil: ah, but now you can copy the text and google it :) | 23:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | RE? | 23:33 |
| bencoh | yeah well, that's roughly the same for a gtk app I think | 23:33 |
| jonwil | yeah reverse engineering something as big as microb would probably take longer than simply writing something new that spoke the same external interfaces where it matters | 23:34 |
| jonwil | both things would take a LOT of time though :P | 23:34 |
| bencoh | I wonder whether it would be longer/harder than writing qmlbrowser | 23:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is there a reason QML borwser can't be used as a replacement? | 23:35 |
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| bencoh | well, it's qt/qml, so ... longer launch delay, bigger memory footprint ... and still a bit slower I think | 23:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | obviously it still needs work but will be a FOSS look a like (similar to worldclock/OMP/Qalender etc etc | 23:37 |
| bencoh | oh, and ... since browserd cant just be killed (because of rt-messaging-ui for instance) it means we'd have to browser stack running | 23:37 |
| bencoh | both eating memory | 23:38 |
| jonwil | It all depends on what the goal is. If the goal is "lets make an alternative browser for Maemo", that's easier than "lets replace the system browser" which is in turn easier than "lets replace the system browser and also lets use the new engine for rtcom-messaging-ui etc) | 23:38 |
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| bencoh | two* stacks* | 23:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think more devs use C over GTK, hence all the rewrites being in Qt? | 23:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | obviously the idea would be to FOSS replacement eventually for FreEmantle, there are many alternative browser options | 23:40 |
| bencoh | 22:38 < sixwheeledbeast> I think more devs use C over GTK, hence all the rewrites being in Qt? | 23:42 |
| bencoh | huh (missing words) ? | 23:42 |
| jonwil | I think the way to go is to move on the "update the engine" thing (including updating it for rtcom-messaging-ui etc) then writing a new replacement UI on top of that later | 23:42 |
| jonwil | i.e. replacing the engine is more important than replacing the UI | 23:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I didn't realise rtcom-messaging-ui needed browserd | 23:42 |
| jonwil | yes it does | 23:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: no missing words, possibly bad grammar. | 23:43 |
| jonwil | so bringing in a new system browser without also replacing browserd usage in rtcom-messaging-api and the other users of it is stupid, then we need 2 browsers hanging around taking up resources | 23:45 |
| bencoh | okay, qmlbrowser is definitely slower than microb | 23:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | qmlbrowser is definitely broken and unfinished at the moment | 23:47 |
| bencoh | I didnt try it with latest -devel hildon-components | 23:47 |
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