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| FatPhil | freemangordon: It's been a crazy year. Job situation went from ups to lows to ups again. | 01:24 |
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| FatPhil | Now I'm working for a company with 3 full time developers, so the pressure is higher than ever | 01:24 |
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| freemangordon | FatPhil: glad you're employed again. Honestly, I have no idea how will I react (and feel) if I lose my job. | 01:30 |
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| FatPhil | Had some good beer-tourism trips while I was unemployed, but that can't last for ever | 01:32 |
| freemangordon | FatPhil: just gimme enough money and I can try to make it last forever :) | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | or at least while I am alive | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | What kind of stuff do you guys do for a living? | 01:34 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: well, I am principal SW engineer | 01:34 |
| freemangordon | that means that I do everything - from goding to architecting, to QA, etc | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | *coding | 01:35 |
| FatPhil | Had a month (february, I *think*) where pretty much every night I was in a different hostel. I really got disoriented. Several mornings I woke up, saw the ceiling, and thought "where the fuck am I?!?!" | 01:36 |
| FatPhil | Now back working for an open source project again, as a paid job, which is about perfect when it comes to me. | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | Speaking of beer-tourism, I want to get my hands on Stallhagen 1843. A few years ago, divers off of the coast of Aaland discovered a shipwreck laden with hundreds of bottles of champagne, and a few bottles of beer | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | Those beer bottles were distributed to laboratories for analysis, and now they believe they've recreated it :-) | 01:38 |
| FatPhil | Stallhagen have made a beer from the yeast sample, yes | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | Well | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | They found that bacteria played just as big a role as yeast | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | And that hops was not used for bitter and not for aroma | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | The yeasts present were very diverse, suggesting spontaneous wild yeast fermentation :) | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | I dunno, but it sounds like the reccreated beer is actually brewed in belgium, with a controlled wild yeast mix and bacteria strains, and sold under Stallhagen brand? | 01:42 |
| FatPhil | I've not seen it on sale | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | Yes | 01:42 |
| FatPhil | A friend visited me from Finland just today -and brouhgt a Stallhagen beer. Alas it was just their strong lager. | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | On their website they only say that it's currently available on Viking (A passenger/cruise ship company) | 01:43 |
| FatPhil | I know viking line | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | It wouldn't surprise me if it was actually brewed in Belgium | 01:44 |
| FatPhil | I never use them to go to Finland as the times of their boats are bollocks. However, if that's true, I'll hit a viking line boat next time I travel | 01:44 |
| FatPhil | By "Belgium", you men "Proef"? | 01:45 |
| ShadowJK | When I spoke to Stallhagen's brewmaster last year, he was apalled at the "boom" of sours, saying his fellow brewers were risking contaminating their plants "forever" | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | So, it wouldn't surprise me if he would refuse to use bacteria :) | 01:46 |
| FatPhil | All of the sours are just "chuck in a packet of Brett" | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | Do I mean lambic? | 01:48 |
| FatPhil | lambic is a sour with a blend of yeasts including brett, but also some lactobacillus and other flora | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I think he was very averse of letting lactobacillus anywhere near his stuff | 01:49 |
| FatPhil | sorry #maemo, /me's a beer nerd | 01:49 |
| ShadowJK | But mind, though I had never heard of it, Stallhagen had apparently had a big contamination incident months prior to that | 01:50 |
| FatPhil | With modern closed fermentation vessels, there's little risk, as they're steam-cleaned, and nothing carries from bew to brew. | 01:50 |
| FatPhil | which is the opposite of how it works in traditional lambic breweries, such as Cantillon, who depend on the flora living in their building | 01:51 |
| freemangordon | ~topic | 01:51 |
| freemangordon | ~infobot: topic is beer | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | ~ping | 01:52 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:52 |
| * FatPhil loves "wild" ales where the sourness comes from the terroir of the individual breweries, and sneers upon those who just "chuck in a Bret cube" | 01:52 | |
| ShadowJK | Well :) | 01:52 |
| FatPhil | Anyway, if you hate the connection manager, as I do. This is what I wrote yesterday: | 01:53 |
| FatPhil | WlanClear at http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/ | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | Since Chinook, which was the first maemo I used, I've liked the connection manager. It works better than any windows, android, or jolla device I currently own. :-) | 01:54 |
| FatPhil | You would not believ how slow the connections manager is when you have about 60 APs | 01:54 |
| freemangordon | FatPhil: are you aware that ARM hexrays has leaked? | 01:54 |
| FatPhil | freemangordon: not been paying attention to anything low level for a while | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | FatPhil, well from my point of view, I'm happy if it can handle 2 APs... which most other stuff fails at :-( | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | well then, AR hexrays is out in the wild | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | *ARM | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | and it is beautiful | 01:55 |
| FatPhil | good stuff | 01:55 |
| ShadowJK | the irc app on jolla has frustrating feature where it tears down connection and reconnects if I move from AP1 range to AP2 range | 01:56 |
| ShadowJK | my xchat setup on N900 (and N810) seamlessly roams between APs, and mobile interwebs :D | 01:56 |
| ShadowJK | Dunno if Linux Desktop if fixed now, but back in 2009 when I obtained N900, trivial things like static IP was impossible through network manager | 01:59 |
| FatPhil | there were many flaws with the n900. Least bad is where I place it. | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: well, on ubuntu (12.04 and 14.04) those work pretty much ok | 02:00 |
| FatPhil | I have enough spares to last me for a decade. I doubt anything better will appear in the next decade | 02:00 |
| freemangordon | FatPhil: install cssu-thumb at last, please | 02:00 |
| FatPhil | freemangordon: I am obn cssu-thumb | 02:00 |
| freemangordon | oh :) | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | I've sometimes left N900 at home | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | But I find myself needing it | 02:01 |
| freemangordon | FatPhil: and still not satisfied? | 02:01 |
| FatPhil | last time we talked, probably last yeaer when I was at Samsung, I put it on my primary device. | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | .. and bringing it with me again | 02:01 |
| FatPhil | and it works *great* | 02:01 |
| freemangordon | :) | 02:01 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 02:01 |
| FatPhil | I'm trying to persuade my g/f to convert to it, but she can't even get onto the plain CSSU at the moment. Repo problems | 02:02 |
| FatPhil | "I think I'm sorted", she now says | 02:03 |
| freemangordon | FatPhil: comeon, bring her here. i will convince her :) | 02:04 |
| freemangordon | no, really there is a big diffference | 02:04 |
| freemangordon | ~fptf | 02:05 |
| infobot | i heard fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 02:06 |
| FatPhil | One *HUGE MOTHERFUCKING NEGATIVE* of whatever I'm runnning now is that it takes about 3 hours for the camera to start after sliding the ens cover. | 02:06 |
| FatPhil | +l | 02:06 |
| freemangordon | whaaat? | 02:06 |
| FatPhil | 3.2.1. opening slider now | 02:06 |
| FatPhil | view appears now | 02:07 |
| freemangordon | 6 seconds | 02:07 |
| freemangordon | (for HD video) | 02:07 |
| FatPhil | OK, not three hours, maybe about 15-20s | 02:07 |
| FatPhil | still | 02:07 |
| freemangordon | swap on uSD? | 02:07 |
| FatPhil | swaps says mmcblk0p3, and it's not much used | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | Grabbed my N900, about 5s | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | that is about normal | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | I did notice myself that the new camera thing starts slower than the original nokia | 02:09 |
| FatPhil | g/f's previous standard nokia image would be 3s. | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | my uptime right now is about 5 days | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | (a little bit more) | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | 22 days | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | but this it my only phone | 02:09 |
| FatPhil | this thing, I can go to the bar, get another beer, queue for a piss, pass out, get back to my table, go to the bar and ask "has anyone seen my phone", before the camera wakes up | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: latest cssu-testing or -thumb? | 02:10 |
| ShadowJK | -thumb | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | ok | 02:11 |
| freemangordon | and what was the stock camera start time? | 02:11 |
| FatPhil | while I was at Nokia, anything less than a month was considered unacceptable uptime. (Amongst the kernel team) | 02:11 |
| ShadowJK | No idea. :-) | 02:11 |
| ShadowJK | FatPhil, I never managed a month with stock kernel | 02:11 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: see :) | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | The I/O stall bug always hit me before that | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | It still hits me | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | but not as often | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | iirc before previous reboot, I was at around 90 days | 02:12 |
| FatPhil | OK, I've got 21.2011.38.38-1Tmaemo9.1+thumb1, flavour: testing here | 02:12 |
| freemangordon | FatPhil: sorry, but I don;t think n900 was ever testd as it should be | 02:12 |
| freemangordon | yep, the latest | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon, I would say stock camera starts up in 2s :-) | 02:13 |
| freemangordon | really? | 02:13 |
| FatPhil | by design, yes | 02:13 |
| freemangordon | hmm, maybe we should spit on nicolai then :) | 02:13 |
| FatPhil | In the kernel team some of us did get 90 day uptimes during the "use it as your daily device" testing period | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | Nicocam certainly feels much heavier | 02:14 |
| freemangordon | well, it does more things as well | 02:14 |
| freemangordon | not that I say that 2x uptime is ok | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | FatPhil, the IO stall thing is very werid | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | Were you guys ever aware of it? | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | or tracking it... | 02:16 |
| freemangordon | but here we hit the problem with the lack of manpower | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | Despite nicocam starting slower, I would still rather have N900 for that critical picture taking, than Jolla | 02:16 |
| FatPhil | manpower is not the solution to most problems. it's part of the problem in some companies. | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | so true | 02:17 |
| freemangordon | are you sure ? | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | Well | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | There's optimal manpower | 02:17 |
| FatPhil | optimise to redce deadwood | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | Less is worse, more is worse | 02:17 |
| freemangordon | with on y one man chasing all the bugs for the last.. lets say an year? | 02:17 |
| freemangordon | really, check on gitorious | 02:18 |
| FatPhil | if you inherit a large codebase, all bets are off | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | Last reboot of my N900 was caused by "spurious emmc I/O error" | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | haha, for sure | 02:18 |
| FatPhil | which is why simple programs that do one thing well are vital | 02:18 |
| freemangordon | here https://gitorious.org/community-ssu | 02:19 |
| FatPhil | which is why systemd is the sperm of satan | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | I'm sort of happy I am no longer in software, but then again, I find the same issues in my current $work as well | 02:19 |
| FatPhil | pressure in a 3-dev company is as high as it's ever been. Latest target is to do what 2 fortune-500 companies and an Ivy-league university spent 1000-man-years on, and do it better. | 02:23 |
| FatPhil | I have 6 weeks. | 02:23 |
| FatPhil | so I'm working tomorrow. | 02:24 |
| FatPhil | night all | 02:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~slay systemd | 02:27 |
| * infobot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, systemd!" apt lops off systemd's head. | 02:27 | |
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| louisdk | *thank | 19:44 |
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| louisdk | Sicelo, Yes, however it seems to work now. | 21:12 |
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