| sixwheeledbeast | Raimu: Yes, I have too in the past. Looking for a more secure option. I have Ubuntu to Ubuntu working great. But struggling to get the N900 to connect. | 00:00 |
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| Luke-Jr | I use PresenceVNC over SSH just fine | 00:20 |
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| drathir | from n900 to server ssh -XCv works not so bad, depend at app, but from server to n900 not tested... | 00:49 |
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| APic | Good Night (UGT) to You all! | 01:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Really. Hmm, maybe I am doing something wrong. I have been trying PresceneVNC and localhost but to no avail. | 01:23 |
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| jonwil | Anyone here have a working n900 development environment (that can grab some things from CSSU gitorious and compile some specific things for me)? I dont have a usable dev environment right now so I cant compile it myself | 10:17 |
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| freemangordon_ | jonwil: yep :) | 10:47 |
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| freemangordon_ | what do you need to have compiled? | 10:47 |
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| jonwil | just realized I dont actually need what I thought I needed | 10:59 |
| jonwil | so no I dont need any help right now | 10:59 |
| jonwil | I am getting seriously back into n900 reverse engineering though | 11:01 |
| jonwil | my next target will be osso-wlan-security (aka eapd) I think | 11:05 |
| Luke-Jr | jonwil: why not the PowerVR driver? :P | 11:05 |
| jonwil | because I happen to want to mess with osso-wlan-security right now | 11:07 |
| Luke-Jr | ;) | 11:07 |
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| kerio | Luke-Jr: because the powervr driver is bound to be floats all over | 11:13 |
| kerio | and hex-rays doesn't decompile those as nicely | 11:13 |
| Luke-Jr | :/ | 11:15 |
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| jonwil | the good news is that Nokia were smart and didn't reinvent the wheel | 11:49 |
| jonwil | osso-wlan-security uses openssl for crypto work | 11:49 |
| kerio | that fills me with dread | 11:50 |
| bencoh | :D | 11:50 |
| kerio | as a reminder, the openssl devs thought it was a good idea to add support for big endian x86_64 | 11:51 |
| kerio | http://opensslrampage.org/post/83031733755/ | 11:51 |
| jonwil | And that's a problem why? | 11:51 |
| kerio | BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST | 11:51 |
| jonwil | oh yeah I see | 11:52 |
| bencoh | :) | 11:52 |
| Tekk_ | kerio: :D | 11:52 |
| jonwil | who is in charge of cssu these days? | 11:52 |
| bencoh | hypothetical choice ! | 11:52 |
| Tekk_ | kerio: actually big endian x86_64 does exist | 11:52 |
| Tekk_ | that was the fucked up part | 11:52 |
| jonwil | it exists where? | 11:52 |
| Tekk_ | routers | 11:52 |
| kerio | some routers from stratus.com apparently | 11:53 |
| Tekk_ | some company went and made big endian x86_64 so that their legacy big endian risc code would compile and run on the new routers without modification | 11:53 |
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| jonwil | seems screwed up, would have been better to go with something still available that is big-endian like PPC | 11:53 |
| kerio | clearly that's a good enough reason to maintain support for useless shit in one of the most important opensource projects in the world | 11:53 |
| kerio | jonwil: they modified gcc to "emulate" big endianness on x86 | 11:54 |
| jonwil | what a stupid idea, would have been much better to just keep using any of the many big-endian chips out there | 11:55 |
| Pali | some ARM supports switching between low and big endian | 11:55 |
| bencoh | I think it's all of them ... it's just not always available to the user | 11:56 |
| Tekk_ | Pali: obviously mixed endian is the proper way to do things | 11:57 |
| jonwil | in any case the use of openssl by eapd makes reverse engineering it easier for me | 11:57 |
| Wizzup | Is anyone running mainline on their n900? | 11:58 |
| kerio | Pali: freemangordon ^ | 11:59 |
| Pali | our armv7-a in n900 does not support big endian, see: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0471c/BABFBJDG.html | 11:59 |
| kerio | you guys managed to run linux 3 on n900 right | 11:59 |
| Pali | but armv7-r support it: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0471c/BABGCBIF.html | 11:59 |
| jonwil | my god eapd is using a lot of different encryption algorithims | 11:59 |
| Pali | ARMv7-R supports optional byte order reversal hardware as a static option from reset | 11:59 |
| Pali | Wizzup: I was able to that in time of 3.12 (or 3.13?) | 12:00 |
| Pali | jonwil: eapd is replacement for wpa_supplicant | 12:00 |
| Pali | and it support lot of WPA/EAP methods | 12:00 |
| Wizzup | I guess the next question would be: Is it anywhere near usable? Or it is really just "managed to boot" | 12:00 |
| Wizzup | I saw http://elinux.org/N900 but googling more didn't show a lot more info | 12:00 |
| jonwil | wierd that Nokia didnt just use existing FOSS bits for that stuff (or did FOSS stuff that was suitable not exist at the time eapd was invented?) | 12:01 |
| Pali | Wizzup: maemo5 somehow working with my patches | 12:01 |
| Pali | jonwil: yes, this is bad :-( | 12:01 |
| Wizzup | wow, that's cool | 12:01 |
| Wizzup | Would love to know more about that if you find some time | 12:01 |
| Pali | https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900 | 12:01 |
| Pali | branch v3.12-rc5-n900 worked (I have it installed in my n900 in boot menu) | 12:04 |
| Pali | or you can try branch v3.13-rc7-n900 (it will work probably too) | 12:04 |
| Pali | Wizzup: ^^^ | 12:05 |
| Wizzup | thanks, I'll make some notes and try it later! | 12:06 |
| Wizzup | I also read that there was a modem driver in a recent mainline kernel | 12:07 |
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| jaska | 3.16 i think | 12:09 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 12:10 |
| APic | B-) | 12:11 |
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| drathir | mornin... | 12:17 |
| * drathir think the try to debug startup process is really hard thing.... | 12:18 | |
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| bencoh | Pali: phone stuff work as well ? | 12:24 |
| bencoh | +s | 12:25 |
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| Pali | phone (sms, voice calls) worked | 12:30 |
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| drathir | infobot: botsnack | 12:48 |
| infobot | drathir: aw, gee | 12:48 |
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| freemangordon_ | jonwil: great!!! (eapd) | 13:34 |
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| * Sicelo sees eapd.. what's up | 13:43 | |
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| Sicelo | jonwil: \m/ | 13:48 |
| jonwil | my goal is to basically document all the external things eapd touches | 13:50 |
| jonwil | The algorithms it implements should be documented | 13:50 |
| jonwil | so its just a matter of figuring out how the rest of the system talks to it | 13:50 |
| Sicelo | you will have saved many of us (wpa_suppolicant works fine on N900, but too power hungry) | 13:50 |
| jonwil | and from there you know what an eapd replacement needs to do to be compatible | 13:50 |
| jonwil | so no it wont be a clone of eapd | 13:50 |
| jonwil | just info so someone else can write something that does the same thing | 13:51 |
| jonwil | using existing or new implementations of wep/wpa/etc | 13:51 |
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| jonwil | ok, first step in reverse engineering this beast complete, I have loaded into IDA info on all the external libraries eapd links to and input definitions of all the functions it imports | 15:15 |
| jonwil | now I can start looking at the dbus calls it makes or responds to | 15:15 |
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| stryngs | wow jonwil, you're talking some real hacking there. What ya working on? | 15:27 |
| * stryngs is very interested | 15:27 | |
| jonwil | eapd aka osso-wlan-security | 15:29 |
| jonwil | intending to figure out every external interface it touches | 15:30 |
| jonwil | so the community can take that info and write a drop-in replacement for eapd if they want | 15:30 |
| stryngs | Description: Security software engine Provides support for better WLAN & WIMAX security | 15:32 |
| stryngs | wtf does it do? | 15:32 |
| stryngs | allow wpa or something? | 15:32 |
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| jonwil | yeah its got encryption and stuff for various WiFi security standards | 15:48 |
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| stryngs | Heh, okay, jonwil: Why change what works? Are there bugs? | 16:03 |
| jonwil | the intent is that someone could make the new thing support certain WiFi security standards that the N900 doesn't currently support | 16:05 |
| stryngs | Ok, then, Cool =) | 16:18 |
| bencoh | I guess you're aiming at EAP-SIM ? | 16:19 |
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| jonwil | whatever standards people want to add support for | 16:40 |
| jonwil | I am just providing the needed info to make replacing eapd possible | 16:40 |
| stryngs | http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2guye2/booksamillion_credit_cards_hacked/ | 16:44 |
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| jonwil | I recon Visa/MasterCard and the banks should work more on systems that give you one-time-use card numbers | 16:45 |
| jonwil | A few banks already have them (not mine though) and they would stop this kind of situation being a problem | 16:45 |
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| Pali | bencoh: I think that Maemo eapd does *not* support EAP-SIM | 16:58 |
| Pali | stryngs: osso-wlan-security contains eapd daemon which implementing eap(ol?) client (similar what is in wpa supplicant) | 16:59 |
| Pali | I tested only EAP-MSCHAPV2 and EAP-GTC methods with eapd and it worked | 17:00 |
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| Veggen | jonwil: At least in Norway, it's common to enable/disable your card for a region. Did stop my card from being used illegally after I'd been in NY two years ago... | 17:00 |
| Pali | EAP-GTC has nice bug -- in GUI is missing button "remember password" | 17:00 |
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| Pali | so you need to enter password every time you connecting to network, nice :-) | 17:01 |
| Pali | but there is (hidden) gconf key from which eapd reading password, so playing with gconftool it is possible to store password into Maemo system | 17:01 |
| Veggen | jonwil: that is, some banks apply those mechanisms. | 17:01 |
| Pali | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/maemo5-_wpa2_eap_ttls-gtc/ | 17:02 |
| Veggen | but it doesn't apply to online usage. | 17:02 |
| jonwil | banks here do monitor for suspicious activity and will flag things that look dodgy | 17:02 |
| Veggen | here too. | 17:03 |
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| Pali | stryngs: reddit link not working | 17:03 |
| Veggen | I think that includes for example it being used in a shop in NY the day before and the day after being used in Norway. | 17:04 |
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| jonwil | The real solution to fraud is strong chip-and-pin based security (preventing physical card data from being stolen via skimmers etc) and one-time-only card numbers (or card numbers linked only to specific merchants or both) for non-physical transactions | 17:05 |
| Veggen | mm. | 17:05 |
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| Pali | ~#maemo eap-gtc-password is http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/maemo5-_wpa2_eap_ttls-gtc/ | 17:06 |
| infobot | Pali: okay | 17:06 |
| Veggen | chip-and-pin is mandatory in Norway. | 17:06 |
| stryngs | America is the only country without chip and pin...... | 17:06 |
| jonwil | Here in Australia they stopped allowing the use of singature for credit card transactions and require pin | 17:07 |
| jonwil | Chips are not mandatory but most banks have them now | 17:07 |
| jonwil | and most retailers have the readers | 17:07 |
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| jonwil | Although I think if you have an American Express card you dont get one with a chip | 17:10 |
| bencoh | indeed | 17:11 |
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| jonwil | not that any sane person would bother with one of those pieces of crap anyway :P | 17:13 |
| jonwil | unless u are super-rich and get one of the super-fancy ones because of all the perks and freebies | 17:13 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | It's possible to get the chip and the pin without even touching the card. If you know how. So Chip&Pin isn't the unfalible | 18:52 |
| mordac | Is the entire maemo platform open source? | 18:55 |
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| Sicelo | mordac: no | 19:14 |
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| vibe_ | hello | 21:59 |
| vibe_ | r ppl still using maemo devices at everyday basis? | 22:05 |
| kerio | idk, i'm not people | 22:06 |
| vibe_ | well let's change that to individuals then | 22:08 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: wth are you, and what did you do with kerio? | 22:08 |
| Tekk_ | vibe_: I am | 22:08 |
| kerio | i am | 22:08 |
| kerio | merlin1991: kerio was never people | 22:08 |
| vibe_ | great, me too | 22:08 |
| vibe_ | as the matter of fact i bought two of them | 22:09 |
| vibe_ | coz first one was kinda buggy | 22:09 |
| merlin1991 | I don't own a single one that has a working moden | 22:10 |
| kerio | i have two | 22:10 |
| kerio | one has a broken musb and a barely working modem | 22:10 |
| kerio | the other has a broken wifi antenna | 22:10 |
| vibe_ | in that case mine are like brand new | 22:11 |
| vibe_ | other is working flawlesly and other is randomly booting | 22:11 |
| * nox- still has a working one too | 22:11 | |
| merlin1991 | vibe_: come to the dark side, instal cssu | 22:12 |
| kerio | randomly rebooting? why? | 22:12 |
| kerio | if it's software, just reflash | 22:12 |
| kerio | and then install cssu | 22:12 |
| vibe_ | just out of curiosity, what is ur best uptime? | 22:12 |
| vibe_ | it varies | 22:12 |
| vibe_ | i've had both common boot reasons | 22:13 |
| nox- | mine became really slow a few days ago and then when i opened it again it seemed to hang, had to take out that battery... | 22:13 |
| kerio | i dunno | 22:13 |
| kerio | months, i think | 22:13 |
| vibe_ | after a flash and with cssu stable without single app installed | 22:13 |
| nox- | s/that/the/ | 22:13 |
| infobot | nox- meant: mine became really slow a few days ago and then when i opened it again it seemed to hang, had to take out the battery... | 22:13 |
| nox- | i guess it was swapping too much? | 22:14 |
| kerio | nox-: can happen, yes | 22:15 |
| nox- | (this also was after weeks if not moths uptime) | 22:15 |
| nox- | +n | 22:15 |
| vibe_ | so far the bet i've reached was one hundred and six days | 22:16 |
| nox- | heh | 22:16 |
| vibe_ | best* | 22:16 |
| * nox- also found a reboot changes the usb ethernet mac | 22:16 | |
| vibe_ | but for me it's amazing because i got used to weekly reboots of e90... | 22:16 |
| kerio | nox-: you can set it in /etc/modprobe.d | 22:17 |
| nox- | oh | 22:17 |
| vibe_ | has any of u given any thought of integrating opera and cutetube? | 22:17 |
| kerio | you're not good if your mac address is not de:ad:be:ef:ca:fe | 22:18 |
| nox- | vibe_, i found youtube frontends are usually broken when yt changes things around again... | 22:19 |
| Tekk_ | opera runs on maemo? | 22:19 |
| * Tekk_ wonders how old that version must be | 22:20 | |
| vibe_ | think it was twelve something | 22:20 |
| Sicelo | and isn't opera closed source? and doesn't do flash.. not sure if it would be any good with cutetube | 22:20 |
| merlin1991 | Btw nox- on cssu or not, because in the stock firmware there is ie the bug with the lockscreen that leaks memory on each unlock | 22:21 |
| nox- | lockscreen as in where you enter the pin? | 22:21 |
| merlin1991 | No the slide thing | 22:22 |
| nox- | oh | 22:22 |
| * nox- usually just opens the keybaord | 22:22 | |
| nox- | oa | 22:22 |
| vibe_ | 12.1beta.1-16 actually | 22:22 |
| vibe_ | well then is there any solution to link cutetube with some browser? | 22:23 |
| vibe_ | i saw some script for greasemonkey but did not try it out yet | 22:24 |
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| vibe_ | oh well time to get some sleep | 22:33 |
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