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zGrrmoin :)10:52
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elias_aHas anyone experiences about the cheap power button and ribbon parts for N9 on Ebay? A bit difficult to use the phone without power button...15:26
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troowhello17:33
troowhavin 3 n900s with broken usb, I wanted to sort out how to fix them17:33
honestlytake it apart, take a soldering iron, poke at the usb receptacle, check if it's fixed17:34
honestlydone17:34
jogahave you checked how badly they're damaged?17:34
honestly~usbfix17:34
infobotusbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt17:34
troowI have tried to solder one, which was unsuccessful (pcb usb points destroyed)17:34
jogayeah I didn't succeed either with one, just too cramped to get an iron there properly and a couple of pads eventually got off17:35
jogafortunately two phones still work :)17:35
honestlyhot air reflow tool helps if you don't have a fine enough iron17:35
troownow I have read up about usb pads, wireless charging. and asked myself if I could fix it with that17:36
jogayeah wish I had the tools for that17:36
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troowusb pads under battery, respectivley..17:36
honestlyhot air rework stations aren't much more expensive than soldering stations17:36
jogaI'm not exactly sure how the charging circuit works but how would you implement wireless charging for it?17:36
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troowfor one I could do a dumb one only charging the battery17:37
jogawould the phone know when it's being charged?17:37
jogaor would the battery just go up17:37
troowsecond one..17:37
troowestel also stated "state, you need to either solder it to next components in line (cutting out part of shield), or solder it to the testpads under battery, and put port itself in it's destined place. The latter is easier, but in both cases, you need some *really* thin wires."17:38
jogawell, that's not too bad and fixable sorta with simple script or so17:38
honestlythe phone uses a coulombmeter to measure charging and discharging17:38
honestlybypassing that would be a little problematic i think17:38
jogawould it need to be bypassed?17:39
troowwhat i have read up, the phone would not be seeing it charging at all, but the battery charges properly, if a charging selectronic part  of a wireless charging component is inbetween17:40
troowand more importantly, would stop charging as well17:40
jogabut the phone could read the charge anyway so you could have some thing on the desktop checking every now and then if the charge has gone up or down17:40
jogaI guess?17:40
troowbut it also seems possible to use the usb pads to charge, alsbeit  without some security circuits the microusb has17:41
jogayeah I checked some pics about that but didn't want to go there really, though I didn't bother to check which pads were ripped off and if they were necessary or perhaps safe to connect to test pins17:42
jogaperhaps when I have like a 3 month vacation I'll look into that again :p17:42
troowI am no solering master myself...17:43
troowsoldering17:43
jogaheh me neither, I'm really beginner with electronics17:43
troowwell, I just thought the wireless to battery thing, I could do that...17:43
jogaat least it would add some value if it works17:43
troowI will try to follow that idea..17:44
troowannother issue17:45
troowThere is a small battery built into the N90017:45
troowfor holding date/time etc, I think I have read somewhere that there was a kernel issue which drained it17:46
troowto death17:46
troownow that one could buy it obviously at http://www.gerry-mobilfunk.de/9991965.html17:47
troowhas somebody infos about a fix of this (switching battery and kernel problem fixed?)17:48
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drathirYep there is a battery inside...17:50
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troowsoldered on pcb17:52
troowhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9086417:55
troowhard to find stuff on forum....17:55
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Sicelotroow: kernel was not the one draining that battery19:34
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drathirany ideas if its possible to switcg off the screen of chosing language/timezone/date after start n900?19:39
keriodrathir: you can uninstall it19:41
drathirkerio: hmmm but system not go broke with do that ? more i would prefer to hash switch off in startup script than uninstall but not sure if that is fossible...19:46
keriodidn't break here19:46
drathirbecause all this settings i can setuuup from settings menu no idea why showing that monit after battery off...19:47
Siceloyou get that on every reboot?19:48
drathirSicelo: only when battery off if good remember and prevent me to using phone w/o screen because i cant type next ;/19:49
drathirmaybe small things but block startup of os...19:50
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kerioSicelo: everyone gets that when they remove the battery19:51
keriothe backup battery is shit19:51
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NIN101backup battery?19:57
drathirkerio: maybe remember which package contain that?19:57
keriodrathir: maybe you figure it out for yourself19:57
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drathirNIN101: yes is possible to switch bateries w/o loosing data, but only one i able to do that no idea how...19:58
drathirofc off phone19:58
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drathirkerio: osso-startup-wizzard?20:02
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keriodrathir: DUDE I DONT REMEMBER GAWD20:02
kerioi dunno it feels like it could be the right one20:02
keriocheck the package description20:02
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drathirkerio: oh i understand, sorry pls not be angry because of me...20:05
kerio:c20:05
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stryngsWooHoo....CVE-2014-048721:00
Tekk_stryngs: want to link a real cve? :)21:01
Tekk_Description21:01
Tekk_** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided.21:01
stryngsit is real21:01
stryngsapt is fucked =)21:01
stryngshopefully maemo patches or backports21:02
HumpelstilzchenI heard you don't want to touch apt sources21:05
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stryngsnot sure who you "heard" this from Humpelstilzchen21:07
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Tekk_Humpelstilzchen: what you need to be careful about is using apt21:10
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Tekk_dependencies are incredibly broken in maemo, you need to be very careful whenever you actually use apt to keep your entire system from being autoremoved21:11
Humpelstilzchen.oO(someone should fix them)21:11
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