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gogogogoI have a question: do plugins for Pidgin need to be converted to ARM versions before being suitable for the Maemo version of Pidgin?18:16
DocScrutinizer05good question18:16
gogogogothere's ZRTP coming soon... *_*18:16
DocScrutinizer05depends on which code they are18:17
gogogogounfortunately I have no idea18:17
DocScrutinizer05`file <the plugin-filename>`18:17
gogogogowould the source code help?18:17
DocScrutinizer05when there's something like 2sourcecode" then there's also "binary" aqnd that is CPU specific18:18
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gogogogoI'm trying to understand, but.. it's hard for me18:18
DocScrutinizer05that's c. Needs building for the target platform18:18
DocScrutinizer05so your answer is: yes, needs "to be converted to ARM"18:19
DocScrutinizer05idealy that process consists of just a `make all`18:20
gogogogoshit :(18:20
gogogogoI read somewhere it may come in python version..18:20
gogogogomake all?18:20
DocScrutinizer05but usually you need to do minor adaptions in the sourcecode to make it compile for the target platform (maemo)18:20
gogogogoI'm almost programming illiterate, does it mean to compile for linux?18:20
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly18:21
DocScrutinizer05make is a command18:21
gogogogowell, I wish I could contribute myself18:21
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gogogogonice. Maybe we'll add ZRTP to our maemo.18:22
gogogogoeven though I'm seriously concerned by the amount of CPU request necessary for a live-streaming encryption and of course by the consumption of battery18:22
DocScrutinizer05right, CPU load isn't negligible for this usecase18:23
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gogogogobut.. if you happen to be plugged to a power supply..18:23
DocScrutinizer05but on the bright side, it's c code, not python or something else similarly sluggish18:24
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gogogogowell, my average cpu load ranges from 5 to 20% and I'm using an old quadcore cpu at 3Ghz18:24
DocScrutinizer05for just zRTP-VoIP?18:25
gogogogomy load during ZRTP audio conversation I mean18:25
DocScrutinizer05that's kinda... LOTS18:25
gogogogobut I'm using Jitsi, not Pidgin18:25
DocScrutinizer05prolly caused by PulseAudio though18:25
gogogogomy friend has a very old computer (from 2006 I guess) and it almost gets stuck18:26
DocScrutinizer05zRTP en/decryption shouldn't be significantly different CPU load than e.g. ssh. and via sftp (based on ssh encryption) I easily get transfer rates in the MBytes/s18:27
DocScrutinizer05on N90018:27
gogogogoI never made it to a full ssh connection, ever. I am that dumb.18:28
DocScrutinizer05that's nothing to do with 2dumb"18:28
gogogogoanyway, I'll check out what Jitsi is programmed in18:28
DocScrutinizer05general rule: when there's lots of *.c and *.h files, then it's C18:28
DocScrutinizer05pro tip: the command `file <filename>` tells you what type of file is <filename>18:29
gogogogoplain C or C++ or similar?18:29
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# file /lib/modules/current/ext2.ko18:30
DocScrutinizer05/lib/modules/current/ext2.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped18:30
gogogogook NOW I understand18:31
gogogogoJitsi is a JAVA application18:31
gogogogothat's the only one that supports ZRTP on windows nowadays18:31
gogogogoI would ditch Java otherwise18:31
DocScrutinizer05yeah THAT will give your CPU lots of load18:31
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* freemangordon is just testing his new chat client18:32
gogogogoJava should be banned. Even devices that were programmed in Java always prove to be sluggish18:32
DocScrutinizer05hi freemangordon18:32
sixwheeledbeastwhich client will that be18:33
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hi!18:33
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: highlight test for new client18:33
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: well, I upgraded my ubuntu to 14.04 a few hour ago18:33
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freemangordonstill fighting with the changes :)18:33
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sixwheeledbeastoh well I use pidgin on Ubuntu anyway, empathy was pants.18:34
DocScrutinizer05telepathy-idle 0.2.0 Telepathy IM/VoIP Framework18:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: could you please do that test again?18:34
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: highlight test for new client18:34
sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: test18:34
freemangordonyep, works18:34
freemangordonthough on 12.04 it was better IMO, the highlight was in red, not only bolded18:35
* DocScrutinizer05 wasted another half a day on FSF and RYF18:35
freemangordonhowever, not that bad either18:35
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DocScrutinizer05dang, if you cannot configure / customize even THAT, then the client is crap anyway18:36
freemangordonI guess it depends on the gnome theme18:36
DocScrutinizer05gnome eeeww18:37
freemangordonbut I can't waste time on that18:37
DocScrutinizer05poor man's windows18:37
freemangordonyeah, I can't stand unity, so I am on gnome-session-flashback :D18:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: remember, I moved from XP 6 months ago :)18:37
DocScrutinizer05then gnome is prolly ideal for you18:38
gogogogoI miss XP already18:38
freemangordonI don;t18:38
DocScrutinizer05I *never* missed any redmond crap18:38
freemangordonbooted my older install in VM an hour ago18:38
gogogogoshifting to 7 was like downgrading my mind18:38
DocScrutinizer05except maybe visual studio sourcode editor18:38
freemangordonQtCreator is waaay better18:39
gogogogoDocScrutinizer I understand. I'm trying to plan a TOTAL DEFINITIVE switch to unix18:39
* DocScrutinizer05 patents the term 'sourcode'18:39
freemangordongogogogo: jump to ubuntu and install flashback session18:39
sixwheeledbeastgnome-session-flashback :) that's what I use. I understand what you mean about fighting the changes now18:39
gogogogoonly issues are music production softwares18:39
gogogogofreemangordon: I don't know that! What is it?18:40
freemangordongogogogo: which one? ubuntu? or gnome-session-flashback?18:40
DocScrutinizer05A) ubuntu is for losers. B) use KDE (even while KDE4 sucks donkey balls, I would never touch gnome again)18:41
freemangordonubuntu is ok o jump to coming wrom windoze18:42
gogogogognome session flashback :)18:42
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it's a me-too-wondows, made by canonical to lure innocent windows lusers into a dependency to canonical18:42
* freemangordon meant:"ubuntu is ok to jump to when coming from windoze"18:42
bencohyou'll see the light outside of the gnome/kde tunnel :p18:43
bencohthere *is* life around18:43
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: but at least it is linux18:43
gogogogoI don't like ubuntu. I prefer Mint.18:43
DocScrutinizer05more or less, yes18:43
freemangordonwasn't it based on ubuntu?18:43
bencohou dont have to force those down your throat :p18:43
gogogogoDoc what distro would you suggest to free one's mind digitally?18:43
DocScrutinizer05I consider ubuntu somewhere in the middle between linux and android18:43
freemangordonsomething like... maemo? :P18:44
DocScrutinizer05knoppix. Opensuse18:44
DocScrutinizer05fedora even, when you're not afraid of somewhat rough surface18:44
DocScrutinizer05for newcomers Opensuse with Yast is plain great18:45
gogogogoI'm writing it down18:45
DocScrutinizer05Yast is so good it makes professional sysadmins forget their knowledge how to "do stuff the right way"18:46
gogogogoI don't care about the gui, all I care about is Wine/PlayOnLinux18:46
gogogogoand of course deep firewall tables18:46
freemangordongogogogo: you're aware that linux is officialy supported by stream?18:46
DocScrutinizer05sorry I couldn't care less about wine. I use linux for professional tasks only18:47
* DocScrutinizer05 usually has uptime in the 3digits of days18:48
DocScrutinizer05but some crazy bug in Konqueror paired with SSL-libs made me do a hard reboot just a 2 days ago18:50
DocScrutinizer05ooh, infobot is online again18:50
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!18:51
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infobotIt's great to be back!18:52
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Sicelohi. any tricks to be aware of to install bluemaemo? i'm running into dependency hell19:11
keriowhat's bluemaemo19:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: stop trying to make yast a thing19:12
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it's a gnome ;-P19:13
kerioi'm sure it's the best thing ever19:13
keriokinda like smart cars19:13
kerioand opera19:13
DocScrutinizer05it's definitely a good entry point for noobs19:14
DocScrutinizer05it's so good that even pros still use it19:14
DocScrutinizer05and when I compare it to e.g. fedora's admin tools, I have a clear favorite. Yast beats that potpourri of apps in fedora hands down19:15
keriodebian > else19:20
DocScrutinizer05after all Yast is a component of SLES ( What's e.g. the enterprise edition of ubuntu?19:21
kerioi said debian19:21
DocScrutinizer05OpenSuse is the free spinoff of SLES like Fedora is the free spinoff of RHEL, iirc19:22
DocScrutinizer05what's the enterprise version of debian?19:23
keriodebian stable :P19:23
DocScrutinizer05debian is the primordial soup that has it all, but nobody makes a professional distro out of it19:25
kerioand yet it works19:26
DocScrutinizer05sure. It's all linux and linux works19:26
keriono systemd19:26
DocScrutinizer05which is a nice thing for somebody who ubderstands what systemd is and also already notices that it's a bad thing. For a noob however that's pretty much totally irrelevant19:28
kerioi expect an enterprisey dude to understand19:28
DocScrutinizer05the purpose of tools like Yast is to hide such details from user19:29
kerioanyway, it's still the best server distro ever19:29
keriooh we're going deep end user here19:29
keriolike mariana trench user19:29
kerioi guess it works for that19:29
kerioidk if it's *that* better than mint tho19:29
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Sicelohaving enabled swap on uSD, what do you do with the 'stock' swap?19:38
sixwheeledbeastwell you could repartition the device to remove it completely. I think it's handy to have for removing the card on a booted system.19:40
DocScrutinizer05keep it as spare19:40
DocScrutinizer05when you accepted that 768MB is already more than enugh for swap on an OMAP3 system with only 256MB RAM, you will have no problem to swapon internal and swapoff uSD-swap19:42
DocScrutinizer05when however your uSD swap is larger than the internal one, you'ss see some 'funny' effects while doing that19:43
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Siceloi think i see where i was going wrong - was struggling to set priorities for the swap partitions19:50
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DocScrutinizer05prio on swap isn't supported in stock busybox20:14
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: ooh, I guess we all got you wrong?20:16
DocScrutinizer05did you ask "what do I do after `swapon $usdswap` ?20:17
DocScrutinizer05the answer to that is `swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3`20:17
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DocScrutinizer05keeping both but with different priorities (if you got proper swapon command that supports prio parameter) is possible but not recommended20:19
Siceloi meant that. i blame myself for incomplete question20:20
DocScrutinizer05the swapoff command will take a while, until system has swapped all swap from old to new one20:21
DocScrutinizer05might be in the range of minutes even20:22
Sicelosince i rarely have 'too' many things open, usually takes less than a minute20:24
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DocScrutinizer05swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapoff $usdswap; sleep 1; swapon $usdswap; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p320:39
DocScrutinizer05is what's commonly known as swap defragmenting20:40
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DocScrutinizer05for your case with "primary" swap on uSD20:40
DocScrutinizer05some users trigger this from a "cron" (actually alarmed) job, daily20:41
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infobotsomebody said flopswap was
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sixwheeledbeastI defragment @ 4am on Tue, Thu, Sat, using flopswap/alarmed.20:54
ecc2gI think I hend up rebooting my phone often enough that fragmentation never becomes an issue :(20:55
infobotecc2g meant: I think I end up rebooting my phone often enough that fragmentation never becomes an issue :(20:56
sixwheeledbeastweekends are not normally an issue. I find that swap gets battered during incoming work phone calls while other tasks are open.20:57
sixwheeledbeastecc2g: uptime is underrated. If you "have" to reboot there is something wrong somewhere.20:58
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ecc2gyes, alas, it ended up being a dont care and likely a bad widget...21:02
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# LANG=en_EN uptime21:03
DocScrutinizer05 20:03pm  up 22 days  5:19,  0 users,  load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.0021:03
DocScrutinizer05ad that's despite holidays, roaming, and constant hunting for next option for charging21:04
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sixwheeledbeastwidgetz, yep I know there must be leaky ones in Extras but I can't pin them down. :(21:30
sixwheeledbeasthence, I now have minimal widgetz.21:33
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sixwheeledbeastarmel build?22:09
DocScrutinizer51use the x86 build ;)22:11
DocScrutinizer51actually I think it's been a failure to not have lint etc on cauldron autobuilder22:14
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drathirlol wifi fixed by own what i see...23:18
drathirreally strange...23:18
stryngsdrathir: ?23:18
drathirstryngs: have problems with wifi signal...23:19
drathirnow magically works...23:20
stryngsgotta love magic23:20
drathiryep, but mostly like to know how things was fixed...23:21
stryngsWhat were the symptoms?23:21
stryngsJust signal for wifi on the n900 specifically?23:21
drathirstryngs: big loss in the signal strength works in ~30cm range from the router...23:23
stryngsAnd other devices?23:23
drathirrouter fully functional other devices phones/laptops connecting w/o problems...23:24
stryngshmm, that is strange23:24
stryngsDo you have power kernel?23:24
stryngsPerhaps wrong drivers got loaded somehow23:24
drathiryes really strange, not works till few months, and broken also w/o reason and yess powerkernel, but the same behaviours was on the normal one too...23:25
stryngsDocScrutinizer51, he would be your best bet I think at any further diagnosis23:27
stryngsThe n900 is a puzzlepiece sometimes23:27
drathirwith DocScrutinizer51 in the past we debuging the drivers and was look correct... idk how but good works again...23:27
drathirmaybe wifi go to holiday, because was tired a bit...23:29
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