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zGrrmoin :)15:04
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Ashley`mew! ;317:15
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honestlyAshley`: kitty?18:26
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honestlymy n900 is now sucking 700mA out of my anker charger battery (:19:48
keriocan it provide 700mA?19:51
keriounless it's smart, it's not going to complain about overamperage19:51
keriothis kills the charger19:51
honestlyit's rated for 3A19:51
keriowhy the hell are you only drawing 700ma19:52
honestlybecause that's the normal current a n900 will draw when it's charging while the phone is on19:52
DocScrutinizer51nfc what u r ylkng bout19:53
kerioa battery19:53
kerioand a charger that uses said battery19:53
DocScrutinizer51that's nonsesnetlk19:53
keriohonestly: did you force the wallcharger mode on the n90019:53
jogaa usb charger?19:53
honestlykerio: no19:54
kerioor does it actually follow the standard?19:54
bencohwait, there is a "wallcharger mode" ?19:54
jogaI've one of these for some reason my n900 won't charge over the 2A port but my gf's does I think...19:54
jogabut mine's been a bit weird anyway19:54
keriobencoh: when d+ and d- are shorted, the n900 knows that i can draw up to 1A19:55
kerioas opposed to usb's 500mA19:55
bencohoh, that "mode"19:55
DocScrutinizer51after ENUM19:55
DocScrutinizer51pre ENUM only 10019:55
DocScrutinizer51which is what kills deadbatrecover from USB PC19:56
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keriodeadbat is more serious than flatbat19:57
kerioflat bat:
keriodead bat: ew why the fuck would you want to see a dead bat19:58
DocScrutinizer51flat bats are rare19:59
DocScrutinizer51needs a bat flttener19:59
DocScrutinizer51aka car19:59
DocScrutinizer51aka dimension transformer19:59
keriothis kills the bat19:59
DocScrutinizer51transforms 3d animals to 2d20:00
kerioa projection!20:00
keriowhy are you so cheeky?20:00
kerioyou're usually so serious20:01
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DocScrutinizer51must be southern europe holidays silliness20:01
DocScrutinizer51seenlots of flying living bats here. Love them a lot20:02
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DocScrutinizer51and I started this lil comedy by 'deadbatrecover' which is already silly, since:20:03
DocScrutinizer51~factinfo flatbatrecover20:03
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keriooh fuck you infobot20:04
kerioyou're not even here20:04
DocScrutinizer05will change soon20:06
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!20:06
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DocScrutinizer51~factinfo flatbatrecover20:07
infoboterror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)20:07
infobotflatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (1480 days); last modified at Fri Aug  1 20:48:27 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 87 times, last by kerio, 4d 9h 50m 54s ago.20:07
APicDocScrutinizer05 can fix everything ­ even reanimate the Dead.20:07
keriopraise the doc20:07
kerioAPic: PRAISE HIM20:12
* APic falls on his Knees and praises epic DocScrutinizer05.20:12
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DocScrutinizer51damnstop that!20:12
keriohe's so...20:13
kerio(and by that i mean slow and fat)20:13
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kerioi wonder if there's a way to make irssi stop sending data until you're mentioned20:17
APicProbably not hard to script.20:18
APicNot that hard to Patch the C Core either prolly…20:18
DocScrutinizer51irssi? *sending* data?20:19
DocScrutinizer51I guess you wanna talk to ShadowJK20:19
DocScrutinizer51anbout netfilters20:19
kerioDocScrutinizer51: either through irssi_proxy or on the terminal itself20:22
keriofor your weird-ass workflow20:22
keriowhere you keep your n900 locked with xchat open20:23
bencohactually irssi doesnt send that much20:25
bencoh(well, ssh/screen/irssi at least)20:26
DocScrutinizer51ZNC and netfilter rule, ask ShadowJK20:26
ShadowJKIt's not the data that's the issue, it's the frequency20:26
ShadowJK1 byte of data every 5 second consumes approximately same amount of power as 10Mbit/s data for 5s20:26
DocScrutinizer51the 'kee TX alive' pinga20:26
bencohbut you dont need to send keepalives if irssi is at the other end of your ssh ;)20:27
DocScrutinizer51the 'keep TX alive' pings20:27
DocScrutinizer51check TCP20:27
bencohyeah, default tcp timeout is way higher20:28
kerioyeah you definetely want a clean tcp connection20:28
keriodoes ssl have keepalives?20:28
DocScrutinizer51even when UMTS itself doesn't send ACK (which I guess it foes)20:28
bencohyou can even put your laptop to sleep and wake it a few hours later and see your ssh session come back to life20:28
keriofair enough20:28
bencohssh on 2G is fine here at least20:28
bencoh(battery-wise ... and user experience wise as well)20:29
keriois there a netfilter way to only do data bursts?20:29
DocScrutinizer512G is fine20:29
DocScrutinizer513G is a hog20:29
kerioalso, can you enable/disable that on screen lock/unlock20:29
DocScrutinizer51ask ShadowJK20:29
DocScrutinizer51for each data in, you'll send an ACK or sth on several OSI levels20:30
DocScrutinizer51and that single package keeps 3G TX active for10s20:30
DocScrutinizer51or 5, or 1520:31
bencohexactly, when you send/receive data :)20:31
ShadowJKJust having a TCP connection open doesn't consume any significant amount of power20:31
bencohif ssh has nothing to tell you and you have nothing to tell, everything's fine ;)20:31
ShadowJKtcp keepalives default to off almost everywhere20:31
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: I'm talking of ACKs20:32
bencohacks dont cost much, since you're already sending/receiving20:32
ShadowJKWell your phone is going to be transmitting whether there are ACKs on IP level or not20:32
kerioDocScrutinizer51: some nokia phones have a way to disable hspa20:33
bencoh(it costs when your link is lossy ... but then you want data to go through :)20:33
DocScrutinizer51bencoh: nope20:33
bencohnope what ?20:33
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: exactly what I said20:37
DocScrutinizer51data in means sending. So to make sending less frequent you bundle your inbound-to-mobile data into bursts on proxy. U use netfilters for that20:38
DocScrutinizer51you trigger out of pace flush of buffer and temporary reduction of bundling window to 1s down from 60 when your proxy finds highlights in data20:40
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: wasnt it you who had a netfiler script for that?20:41
DocScrutinizer51(without the nifty highlight detecting)20:42
ShadowJKjust iptables -j DROP on the proxy server for a little while20:42
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DocScrutinizer51iptables, ipchains, netfilters, I wonder how many names this stuff had already20:44
keriotcp is cool20:45
kerioit'll deal with it20:45
DocScrutinizer51wouldn"t that lose data?20:45
kerioof course not20:45
kerioREJECT would close connections20:46
kerioDROP is silent20:46
keriopackets get dropped20:46
keriowhich means "rate too high, try again more slowly plz"20:46
DocScrutinizer51which is sth freenode prolly won5 do, eh?20:46
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kerioit's how tcp *works*20:47
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DocScrutinizer51meh, I'm 40m from atlantic ocean here, shouldn't worry aout TCP flooding20:48
kerioyeah if there's some flooding just throw it in the ocean20:48
kerioseriously tho20:48
keriodropping packets when the rate's too high is how tcp adjusts the transfer rate20:48
keriothere MUST be no adverse effects to dropping packets for a bit20:49
DocScrutinizer51until you TX stack gets a timeout on missing ACK20:49
keriowell ok20:49
ShadowJKTCP tp Mars wouldn't work because of the latency, but maybe a tenth of the way to mars20:50
DocScrutinizer51qhat we're talking here? max distance to mars (roundabout 15min)?20:51
ShadowJKOh I see, 5 minutes by default, reconfigurable thgouh RFC 5482.. though that one is newer than N900 :)20:51
DocScrutinizer51or minimum which is maybed 1min20:51
keriothere's that big of a difference? :O20:52
DocScrutinizer51pff sure20:52
keriooh of course there is20:52
kerioi'm dumb20:52
kerioopposite sides of the sun20:52
keriowhy can't these fucking dumb planets just rotate around the sun every 24 hours20:53
honestlywhy is the power draw going down to under 100mA o.O20:53
honestlywhile it's still charging20:53
DocScrutinizer51because that would cause really nasry climate on earth20:54
DocScrutinizer51honestly: please ask better questions20:54
honestlyokay, let me try20:54
honestlyhow much power does the n900 typically use when all peripherals (gps, 3g, etc.) and the screen is turned off?20:55
keriovery little20:55
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honestlywell, the phone modem is on20:56
ShadowJKUSB connected counts as peripheral activated in some circumstances too :)20:56
DocScrutinizer51eating up to 80mA20:56
ShadowJKmodem in standby doesn't add too much20:56
DocScrutinizer51some 15mA usually20:57
DocScrutinizer51err more like 1020:57
infoboti guess power is
DocScrutinizer51honestly: also please check what means CCCV charging20:59
DocScrutinizer51honestly: and keep in mind that USB has 5V which get *transformed* into 3.x to 4.2V for battery charging21:00
DocScrutinizer51with an efficiency of 80 to 95percent21:02
DocScrutinizer51and the bq27200 logs are on battery level21:04
DocScrutinizer51not USB21:04
* DocScrutinizer51 notes that there's no easily found wiki page about charging and bme (hw level) and bq2415021:13
DocScrutinizer51~wiki cccv21:16
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: why can't we21:18
keriolike, as a species21:18
keriomake batteries that charge at 5V21:18
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ShadowJKIt's chemistry, not numerology21:18
kerioi didn't ask you!21:19
DocScrutinizer51actually electrochemical volyage ?21:19
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DocScrutinizer51why would you want batteries that charge at 5V?21:20
ShadowJKeven if it existed, it wouldn't take long before someone maade electronics run at 4V/8V instead of 5V21:20
ShadowJKSo you could LDO comfortably on the battery voltage ;D21:20
DocScrutinizer51that would be pretty annoying since then USB voltage doesn't suffuce21:20
DocScrutinizer51for now a simple buck converter suffices to charge LiIon from USB21:22
DocScrutinizer51with LiXy Voltage higher than 4.2V you need a buck-boost21:23
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APicWhat is Channel Mode +C in FreeNode?21:24
APicAh gosh, i'll look it up on teh™ Intarwebs21:24
APicCTCP-Block, ok21:25
DocScrutinizer51actually voltage is so marmelade, it's just about Wh/kg resp /volume21:25
APicSo my Smiley came through in yellow?21:25
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DocScrutinizer51but anybody abusing channel colors too much is begging for a kick21:28
DocScrutinizer51because it alreadybeen a discussion to enable colors at all21:28
DocScrutinizer51and your wird char for example doesn't make it to my client21:29
DocScrutinizer51colors are kinda deprecated on irc21:30
DocScrutinizer51I hardly could see that smiley21:31
APicYou did not mean the Smiley by „weird Char”.21:31
DocScrutinizer51no, I meant Humpelstilzchen21:31
DocScrutinizer51I guess that been a faied 'color'21:32
DocScrutinizer51failed even21:32
APicIt was Blink.21:33
DocScrutinizer51whatever... gibberish here21:33
DocScrutinizer51fsk wikipedia which doesn't know CCCV either21:35
DocScrutinizer51but FSFE is Farmacias sin Fronteras Espania21:35
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DocScrutinizer51honestly: you want to rea about LiIon battery charging using ConstantCurrent ConstantVoltage charging concept21:40
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honestlyI don't, I just want to know whether my n900 is performing inside safe parameters :P21:50
DocScrutinizer51it always does21:51
DocScrutinizer51otherwise Nokia wouldn't dare to sell it21:51
DocScrutinizer51unless you overclock it21:52
honestlysometimes things break21:52
honestlysuch as the usb receptacle (:21:52
DocScrutinizer51actually not this way21:52
DocScrutinizer51and it doesn't make sense to come to this palce and ask about random numbers to verify that nothing is broken21:54
DocScrutinizer51as long as you don't face obvious trouble, just assume all is fine21:54
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