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| zGrr | moin :) | 15:04 |
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| APic | Hi. | 15:08 |
| APic | ☺ | 15:08 |
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| honestly | moin | 16:17 |
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| drathir | mornin... | 16:30 |
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| Ashley` | ^^ | 18:29 |
| honestly | :P | 18:29 |
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| kerio | :3 | 19:33 |
| APic | Gesundheit. | 19:33 |
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| honestly | my n900 is now sucking 700mA out of my anker charger battery (: | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fine! | 19:48 |
| kerio | gg | 19:51 |
| kerio | can it provide 700mA? | 19:51 |
| kerio | unless it's smart, it's not going to complain about overamperage | 19:51 |
| kerio | this kills the charger | 19:51 |
| honestly | it's rated for 3A | 19:51 |
| kerio | oh | 19:52 |
| kerio | why the hell are you only drawing 700ma | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh???? | 19:52 |
| honestly | because that's the normal current a n900 will draw when it's charging while the phone is on | 19:52 |
| kerio | :( | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nfc what u r ylkng bout | 19:53 |
| kerio | a battery | 19:53 |
| kerio | and a charger that uses said battery | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's nonsesnetlk | 19:53 |
| kerio | honestly: did you force the wallcharger mode on the n900 | 19:53 |
| joga | a usb charger? | 19:53 |
| honestly | kerio: no | 19:54 |
| kerio | or does it actually follow the standard? | 19:54 |
| kerio | neat | 19:54 |
| bencoh | wait, there is a "wallcharger mode" ? | 19:54 |
| joga | I've one of these http://www.ianker.com/support-c1-g228.html for some reason my n900 won't charge over the 2A port but my gf's does I think... | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | omg | 19:54 |
| joga | but mine's been a bit weird anyway | 19:54 |
| kerio | bencoh: when d+ and d- are shorted, the n900 knows that i can draw up to 1A | 19:55 |
| kerio | as opposed to usb's 500mA | 19:55 |
| bencoh | oh, that "mode" | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | after ENUM | 19:55 |
| kerio | right | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pre ENUM only 100 | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which is what kills deadbatrecover from USB PC | 19:56 |
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| kerio | *flatbatrecover | 19:57 |
| kerio | deadbat is more serious than flatbat | 19:57 |
| kerio | flat bat: http://www.bats.org.uk/data/images/publications_and_resources_images/bct_flat_bat.gif | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yah | 19:58 |
| kerio | dead bat: ew why the fuck would you want to see a dead bat | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flat bats are rare | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | needs a bat flttener | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka car | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka dimension transformer | 19:59 |
| kerio | this kills the bat | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | transforms 3d animals to 2d | 20:00 |
| kerio | a projection! | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mercator | 20:00 |
| kerio | why are you so cheeky? | 20:00 |
| kerio | you're usually so serious | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | must be southern europe holidays silliness | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seenlots of flying living bats here. Love them a lot | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and I started this lil comedy by 'deadbatrecover' which is already silly, since: | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo flatbatrecover | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dafaq!! | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-/ | 20:04 |
| kerio | ~flatbatrecover | 20:04 |
| kerio | oh | 20:04 |
| kerio | ~flatbatrecovery | 20:04 |
| kerio | D: | 20:04 |
| kerio | ~flatbat | 20:04 |
| kerio | oh fuck you infobot | 20:04 |
| kerio | you're not even here | 20:04 |
| honestly | lol | 20:04 |
| APic | *shrug* | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will change soon | 20:06 |
| APic | B) | 20:06 |
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| infobot | DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo flatbatrecover | 20:07 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 20:07 |
| infobot | flatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (1480 days); last modified at Fri Aug 1 20:48:27 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 87 times, last by kerio, 4d 9h 50m 54s ago. | 20:07 |
| APic | DocScrutinizer05 can fix everything even reanimate the Dead. | 20:07 |
| kerio | praise the doc | 20:07 |
| kerio | APic: PRAISE HIM | 20:12 |
| * APic falls on his Knees and praises epic DocScrutinizer05. | 20:12 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | damnstop that! | 20:12 |
| kerio | aww | 20:13 |
| kerio | he's so... | 20:13 |
| kerio | modest | 20:13 |
| kerio | (and by that i mean slow and fat) | 20:13 |
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| APic | ☺ | 20:16 |
| kerio | i wonder if there's a way to make irssi stop sending data until you're mentioned | 20:17 |
| APic | Probably not hard to script. | 20:18 |
| APic | Not that hard to Patch the C Core either prolly… | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | irssi? *sending* data? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess you wanna talk to ShadowJK | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anbout netfilters | 20:19 |
| APic | B) | 20:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: either through irssi_proxy or on the terminal itself | 20:22 |
| kerio | for your weird-ass workflow | 20:22 |
| kerio | where you keep your n900 locked with xchat open | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 20:25 |
| bencoh | actually irssi doesnt send that much | 20:25 |
| bencoh | (well, ssh/screen/irssi at least) | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ZNC and netfilter rule, ask ShadowJK | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | It's not the data that's the issue, it's the frequency | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | 1 byte of data every 5 second consumes approximately same amount of power as 10Mbit/s data for 5s | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the 'kee TX alive' pinga | 20:26 |
| bencoh | sure | 20:26 |
| bencoh | but you dont need to send keepalives if irssi is at the other end of your ssh ;) | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the 'keep TX alive' pings | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check TCP | 20:27 |
| bencoh | yeah, default tcp timeout is way higher | 20:28 |
| kerio | yeah you definetely want a clean tcp connection | 20:28 |
| kerio | does ssl have keepalives? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even when UMTS itself doesn't send ACK (which I guess it foes) | 20:28 |
| bencoh | you can even put your laptop to sleep and wake it a few hours later and see your ssh session come back to life | 20:28 |
| kerio | fair enough | 20:28 |
| bencoh | ssh on 2G is fine here at least | 20:28 |
| bencoh | (battery-wise ... and user experience wise as well) | 20:29 |
| kerio | is there a netfilter way to only do data bursts? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 2G is fine | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 3G is a hog | 20:29 |
| kerio | also, can you enable/disable that on screen lock/unlock | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ask ShadowJK | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for each data in, you'll send an ACK or sth on several OSI levels | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and that single package keeps 3G TX active for10s | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or 5, or 15 | 20:31 |
| bencoh | exactly, when you send/receive data :) | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | Just having a TCP connection open doesn't consume any significant amount of power | 20:31 |
| bencoh | if ssh has nothing to tell you and you have nothing to tell, everything's fine ;) | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | tcp keepalives default to off almost everywhere | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: I'm talking of ACKs | 20:32 |
| bencoh | acks dont cost much, since you're already sending/receiving | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | Well your phone is going to be transmitting whether there are ACKs on IP level or not | 20:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: some nokia phones have a way to disable hspa | 20:33 |
| bencoh | (it costs when your link is lossy ... but then you want data to go through :) | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bencoh: nope | 20:33 |
| bencoh | nope what ? | 20:33 |
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| kerio | nope | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: exactly what I said | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | data in means sending. So to make sending less frequent you bundle your inbound-to-mobile data into bursts on proxy. U use netfilters for that | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you trigger out of pace flush of buffer and temporary reduction of bundling window to 1s down from 60 when your proxy finds highlights in data | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: wasnt it you who had a netfiler script for that? | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (without the nifty highlight detecting) | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | just iptables -j DROP on the proxy server for a little while | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | iptables, ipchains, netfilters, I wonder how many names this stuff had already | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | DROP? | 20:45 |
| kerio | tcp is cool | 20:45 |
| kerio | it'll deal with it | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wouldn"t that lose data? | 20:45 |
| kerio | of course not | 20:45 |
| kerio | REJECT would close connections | 20:46 |
| kerio | DROP is silent | 20:46 |
| kerio | packets get dropped | 20:46 |
| kerio | which means "rate too high, try again more slowly plz" | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which is sth freenode prolly won5 do, eh? | 20:46 |
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| kerio | it's how tcp *works* | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, I'm 40m from atlantic ocean here, shouldn't worry aout TCP flooding | 20:48 |
| kerio | yeah if there's some flooding just throw it in the ocean | 20:48 |
| kerio | seriously tho | 20:48 |
| kerio | dropping packets when the rate's too high is how tcp adjusts the transfer rate | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 20:48 |
| kerio | there MUST be no adverse effects to dropping packets for a bit | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | until you TX stack gets a timeout on missing ACK | 20:49 |
| kerio | well ok | 20:49 |
| ShadowJK | TCP tp Mars wouldn't work because of the latency, but maybe a tenth of the way to mars | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | qhat we're talking here? max distance to mars (roundabout 15min)? | 20:51 |
| ShadowJK | Oh I see, 5 minutes by default, reconfigurable thgouh RFC 5482.. though that one is newer than N900 :) | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or minimum which is maybed 1min | 20:51 |
| kerio | there's that big of a difference? :O | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pff sure | 20:52 |
| kerio | oh of course there is | 20:52 |
| kerio | i'm dumb | 20:52 |
| kerio | opposite sides of the sun | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 20:52 |
| kerio | why can't these fucking dumb planets just rotate around the sun every 24 hours | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 20:53 |
| honestly | why is the power draw going down to under 100mA o.O | 20:53 |
| honestly | while it's still charging | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | because that would cause really nasry climate on earth | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly: please ask better questions | 20:54 |
| honestly | okay, let me try | 20:54 |
| honestly | how much power does the n900 typically use when all peripherals (gps, 3g, etc.) and the screen is turned off? | 20:55 |
| kerio | very little | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | 6,A | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | 4-6mA | 20:55 |
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| honestly | well, the phone modem is on | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | USB connected counts as peripheral activated in some circumstances too :) | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eating up to 80mA | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | modem in standby doesn't add too much | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some 15mA usually | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err more like 10 | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~power | 20:57 |
| infobot | i guess power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly: also please check what means CCCV charging | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly: and keep in mind that USB has 5V which get *transformed* into 3.x to 4.2V for battery charging | 21:00 |
| honestly | ah | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with an efficiency of 80 to 95percent | 21:02 |
| APic | =) | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and the bq27200 logs are on battery level | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not USB | 21:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 notes that there's no easily found wiki page about charging and bme (hw level) and bq24150 | 21:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~wiki cccv | 21:16 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=cccv&go=Go | 21:16 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: why can't we | 21:18 |
| kerio | like, as a species | 21:18 |
| kerio | make batteries that charge at 5V | 21:18 |
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| ShadowJK | It's chemistry, not numerology | 21:18 |
| kerio | i didn't ask you! | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | exactly | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually electrochemical volyage ? | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | why would you want batteries that charge at 5V? | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | even if it existed, it wouldn't take long before someone maade electronics run at 4V/8V instead of 5V | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | So you could LDO comfortably on the battery voltage ;D | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that would be pretty annoying since then USB voltage doesn't suffuce | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for now a simple buck converter suffices to charge LiIon from USB | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with LiXy Voltage higher than 4.2V you need a buck-boost | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P | 21:23 |
| APic | ☺ | 21:24 |
| APic | What is Channel Mode +C in FreeNode? | 21:24 |
| APic | Ah gosh, i'll look it up on teh™ Intarwebs | 21:24 |
| APic | CTCP-Block, ok | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually voltage is so marmelade, it's just about Wh/kg resp /volume | 21:25 |
| APic | So my Smiley came through in yellow? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but anybody abusing channel colors too much is begging for a kick | 21:28 |
| Humpelstilzchen | why? | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | because it alreadybeen a discussion to enable colors at all | 21:28 |
| APic | lol | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and your wird char for example doesn't make it to my client | 21:29 |
| APic | ic | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | colors are kinda deprecated on irc | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I hardly could see that smiley | 21:31 |
| APic | Oh | 21:31 |
| APic | You did not mean the Smiley by „weird Char”. | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, I meant Humpelstilzchen | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess that been a faied 'color' | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | failed even | 21:32 |
| APic | It was Blink. | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whatever... gibberish here | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fsk wikipedia which doesn't know CCCV either | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but FSFE is Farmacias sin Fronteras Espania | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly: you want to rea about LiIon battery charging using ConstantCurrent ConstantVoltage charging concept | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | read* | 21:40 |
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| honestly | I don't, I just want to know whether my n900 is performing inside safe parameters :P | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it always does | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise Nokia wouldn't dare to sell it | 21:51 |
| APic | =] | 21:51 |
| APic | True. | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | unless you overclock it | 21:52 |
| honestly | sometimes things break | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 21:52 |
| honestly | such as the usb receptacle (: | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually not this way | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and it doesn't make sense to come to this palce and ask about random numbers to verify that nothing is broken | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as long as you don't face obvious trouble, just assume all is fine | 21:54 |
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