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KabouikAnyone running Bluemaemo here? Using Faster App Manager, I got a "you have broken packages and stuff" error when trying to install Bluiemaemo18:24
KabouikAnd when trying that: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72602 it fails at first step because libeet1 is not found18:24
KabouikI have extras and extras-devel18:25
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KabouikOh, just found that someone has uploaded all .deb packages in the thread!18:43
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KabouikSo Bluemaemo is installed now, and I can connect to my PC (W7), but it will disconnect a few seconds after I try the keypard or mouse modes (without working the first few seconds)18:56
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DocScrutinizer05Kabouik: !!!19:12
DocScrutinizer05~fapman19:12
infobothmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated19:12
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DocScrutinizer05~literal fapman19:14
infobot"fapman" is "Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated"19:14
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo fapman19:15
infobotfapman -- created by RiD <~GhostRide@2.83.43.131> at Thu Jul  5 20:14:21 2012 (687 days); last modified at Mon Oct 28 08:37:34 2013 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 39 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 2m 10s ago.19:15
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated19:17
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay19:17
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo fapman19:17
infobotfapman -- created by RiD <~GhostRide@2.83.43.131> at Thu Jul  5 20:14:21 2012 (687 days); last modified 6s ago  by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 39 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 4m 27s ago.19:17
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DocScrutinizer05FFS messybox never heard of `trap`19:35
DocScrutinizer05the heck, trap(1P)  == POSIX!19:37
DocScrutinizer05~messybox19:38
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils19:38
DocScrutinizer05CBA any longer to keep my tools messybox-safe19:39
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DocScrutinizer05sed -i "1 s\@#!/bin/sh@#!/bin/bash@" /usr/local/?bin/*19:47
kerioyou might as well just symlink bash to sh19:48
DocScrutinizer05no, since that would break startup scripts, anyway it's not what I wanna do19:52
DocScrutinizer05honestly, busybox has no trap cmd, W. T. F.19:53
ecc3gtrap as in signal handler?19:54
DocScrutinizer05yep19:54
ecc3git recognizes it for me...? (busybox-n900, busybox-e2500, busybox-gentoo)?19:54
DocScrutinizer05WEIRD, now I see it too in messybox 'help' as builtin19:56
DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/5dee86ec3219:58
* DocScrutinizer05 scratches head19:58
ecc3ghmm... actually trap should be a builtin to the shell (ash) not an application...19:59
ecc3glike you can do for loops in ash but it's not listed... reserved keyword20:00
DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/7bfaa2d6f120:00
DocScrutinizer05so it boils down to: how's a busybox login shell `help` command different to invokation of busybox from inside bash via `busybox` and then doing `help`20:02
DocScrutinizer05oooh, oops, I didn't do `help`20:03
DocScrutinizer05actually busybox refuses to stay around when invoked from bash20:04
DocScrutinizer05it just spits out http://privatepaste.com/5dee86ec32 and exits20:05
Snafu777Here is a thought.20:05
Snafu777Listening to the back and forth...20:05
Snafu777grab the binaries from the busybox deb20:05
Snafu777and dont install it perhaps20:05
Snafu777then u dont have busybox mistakes20:05
Snafu777and u have bash20:05
Snafu777and all is good and well in the maemo world20:06
DocScrutinizer05aha20:06
ecc3gwhen you run busybox by itself, it doesn't start a shell... at least that's how it behaves on gentoo.  if you want to start a shell, busybox sh (or busybox ash) ?20:06
DocScrutinizer05can you tell me how your suggestion fixes " trap "e=$?; echo ${bn}: aborting with error $e; exit $e" ERR " in a script that's supposed to run on other systems too?20:07
Snafu777well.  Scripts are not universal DocScrutinizer0520:07
Snafu777Take for instance...  How does the shebang line begin on the script?20:08
Snafu777!/bin/bash or something?20:08
DocScrutinizer05eh?20:08
DocScrutinizer05[2014-05-24 Sat 18:39:03] <DocScrutinizer05> CBA any longer to keep my tools messybox-safe20:08
DocScrutinizer05[2014-05-24 Sat 18:47:27] <DocScrutinizer05> sed -i "1 s\@#!/bin/sh@#!/bin/bash@" /usr/local/?bin/*20:08
Snafu777Should it not be: #!/usr/bin/env bash20:09
Snafu777or whatever?20:09
Snafu777That's problem 1 for most "universal" scripts20:09
ecc3gyou only do that if you trust the location of bash...20:09
Snafu777But hey, I don't know enough about the situation at hand to really help out =)20:10
Snafu777I just like tweaking my maemo20:10
Snafu777and if i find an issue20:10
Snafu777I hack stuff together to make it work20:10
ecc3ghmm... busybox ash trap seems to work, but may not be fully posix.... but it seems to be able to trap sigint20:11
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Snafu777But yeah DocScrutinizer05: why not just strip out the useful busybox binaries, without installing busybox?20:16
keriowait, wait20:17
keriodid i miss another anti-busybox tirade by doc20:18
kerioDocScrutinizer: yeah, get mad!20:18
keriohow dare busybox not ship a shell builtin as a separate binary20:18
Snafu777And DocScrutinizer05 I applaud your work on the NeoN900 =)  Speaking of which, without reading the website and trying to follow along.  How can I best donate some monies towards tho project with the thought that those monies might be a downpayment?20:19
kerio"Donations are temporarily suspended due to reorganisation."20:20
Snafu777I saw that20:20
Snafu777which is why i asked =)20:20
kerioapparently it's something that's going to be resolved in a matter of days20:21
kerioand afaik donations count as rebates for the purchase of a neo90020:22
kerioonce it actually ships20:22
Snafu777Yeah, see the way it was all phrased kind of confused me20:22
Snafu777And then with the donations being suspended20:23
Snafu777I was like um......20:23
kerioactually don't quote me on that20:23
Snafu777haha, another reason to ask the man himself20:24
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DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1426234&postcount=7020:47
DocScrutinizer05look, we really like to do (and actually will do) what we announced, but legally it's not feasible that precise way, so we have to come up with a better wording while doing what we originally announced and planned to do. Our wording of the fineprint didn't serve to establish what everybody incl us thought it would20:49
DocScrutinizer05eventualy we will open normal order page aka webshop, where you can *buy* the Neo900, but we still have the problem of sourcing rare parts which may need months to ship after ordering them, and since we can't order without money and we don't want to order more than we need, we face a problem there that still is pending to get sorted20:53
DocScrutinizer05which doesn't mean that we have any of such problem with the devices already counted from donations, but since we can't continue that exact donation pseudo preorder thing any longer, we have to come up with sth different. It's yet undecided what exactly this will be. Meanwhile you can transfer money to the UG bank account and trust in us handling it correctly20:55
DocScrutinizer05data of bank account is available via mail to contact@neo900.org, or here on IRC in a /query to me20:56
Snafu777Ok, cool20:57
Snafu777Any idea on the rough price so far DocScrutinizer05 ?20:57
DocScrutinizer05still same, we hope for 700EUR for the bare board. Complete device is the "critical components hard to source" and not yet completely clear how many and on which price we can source and how long it takes. I expect we get away with max 150 on top of the bare board20:59
DocScrutinizer05please /join #neo90020:59
DocScrutinizer05it's a tad inappropriate and OT in here21:00
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: wouldn't it be used n900 + labour?21:05
* kerio has no idea of what a n900 goes for nowadays21:05
DocScrutinizer05basically yes, when we anticipate we can get a few hundred used N900 and all of them are in "perfect condition" regarding screen and case aso21:05
DocScrutinizer05(what a n900 goes for nowadays) wll, the 150 are based on exactly that21:06
DocScrutinizer05(excl labor)21:07
DocScrutinizer05we *hope* to spot sources which have new spare parts for *everything* we need, in volumes and at reasonable prices21:08
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DocScrutinizer05it doesn't help us much if we in the end have 1000 cases, stylii, cam modules, LCD, touchscreens, antennas, batteries, but cannot find the slider mech21:09
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DocScrutinizer05again, please join #neo900, it's really OT in here21:09
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mtnmanhello23:25
mtnmanwhen i try to23:25
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mtnmanhello when i try to play audio, i get a msg that the audio is in use by another program.  how can i find out which is the offending program?23:26
mtnmanactually it says "application" not program23:27
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mtnmanhello when i try to play audio, i get a msg that the audio is in use by another application.  how can i find out which is the offending application??23:29
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Siceloyou're trying to play audio with what?23:40
Siceloanyway, seems N900 can have that problem is something's up with DNS settings (weird?) .. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3899823:43
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Sicelos/is/if/23:48
infobotSicelo meant: anyway, seems N900 can have that problem if something's up with DNS settings (weird?) .. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3899823:48
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