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| hxka | There are keyboards with a builtin trackball. I think it's possible to remap it as a scrollwheel. | 01:46 |
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| okias | Hey guys, did someone tried use LTO on N900? | 07:47 |
| okias | as my quick test on x86_64 showed, it nicely reduce binary size even with older gcc 4.8.2 and with 4.9.0 it should be much better! :) | 07:48 |
| okias | it could help reduce N900 memory pressure | 07:48 |
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| SAiF | link to flasher3.5.tar.gz please. | 10:26 |
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| Ashley` | ~flasher | 10:47 |
| infobot | flasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 10:47 |
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| Ashley` | why dontcha google | 10:47 |
| Ashley` | and you came here like into a bar: "whiskey & cola please" | 10:49 |
| SAiF | haha.. | 10:49 |
| SAiF | sorry.. | 10:49 |
| SAiF | and thanks.. | 10:49 |
| SAiF | my mistake. | 10:49 |
| Ashley` | :P | 10:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Ashley`: you still served, that's the maemo community bar for you ;) | 11:28 |
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| Sicelo | hi | 16:18 |
| Sicelo | is repo having a problem, or it's my connection? | 16:18 |
| Sicelo | Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (213.128.137.22). - connect (111 Connection refused) | 16:19 |
| Sicelo | but | 16:22 |
| Sicelo | the ones from nokia.com work | 16:24 |
| bencoh | looks like it works here | 16:24 |
| Sicelo | ok. thanks for confirming. :) | 16:24 |
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| kerio | okias: i think cssu-thumb uses gcc 4.7 | 17:45 |
| kerio | freemangordon: pls giff gcc 4.9 | 17:45 |
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| okias | kerio: I finally get to installing debian/scratchbox, so I wonder, where should I put new software (it may require update lot system packages) | 18:29 |
| okias | I want put in n900 my preferred desktop (cmdline) sw :) | 18:29 |
| freemangordon | kerio: do you know how to build it and make a deb for scratchbox? | 18:32 |
| kerio | mmh | 18:32 |
| kerio | make? | 18:32 |
| kerio | :3 | 18:32 |
| kerio | i don't even know if it'll work with our ancient libraries | 18:33 |
| kerio | ...wait | 18:33 |
| kerio | why do we need to build gcc 4.9? | 18:33 |
| okias | kerio: for n900? better LTO, which could _reduce_ binary size :) | 18:35 |
| kerio | no, we need to *use* gcc 4.9 | 18:36 |
| okias | oh, yes :) | 18:36 |
| okias | I'd say 100% | 18:36 |
| okias | if no-one step up, I'll try get gcc 4.9 working somehow, but not much knowledge about scratchbox, so it make takes while | 18:37 |
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| freemangordon | okias: dunno about 4.9, but in 4.7 lto sucks | 18:38 |
| okias | freemangordon: well, 4.7 was weak, for 4.8.2 on my desktop machine I got for reduce approximatelly 5-20% | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | x86? | 18:39 |
| okias | for n900 with less memory it could be very nice suprise :) | 18:39 |
| okias | x86_64 | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | what about ARM? | 18:39 |
| okias | in fact, I didn't found anything about ARM, but... let's test and we'll see :) | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | BTW I still should have *some* instructions how to build 4.7.2 | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | lemme try to find them | 18:40 |
| okias | I going afk for 45-120 minutes :) | 18:40 |
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| wizbit | im using opera 12 as my browser, however, it doesnt recognize flash | 19:32 |
| wizbit | do i need to install flash manually for it to work with it | 19:32 |
| Ashley` | opera doesnt have flash support i think | 19:34 |
| wizbit | aye ok | 19:36 |
| okias | back again :) | 19:36 |
| wizbit | :) | 19:38 |
| wizbit | are droid fonts worth installing? | 19:38 |
| okias | wizbit: I guess, just check them on computer :) | 19:38 |
| okias | also there is new font from KDE Frameworks, named Oxygen :) | 19:39 |
| wizbit | ace | 19:39 |
| okias | (also looking very good) | 19:39 |
| wizbit | do they change the whole desktop appearance? | 19:39 |
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| okias | probably not until you change it manually by some tool ( just guessing, not sure if I recall correctly) | 19:40 |
| okias | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1423469 hoho, gcc 4.9! :) | 19:43 |
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| okias | http://talk.maemo.org/register.php?do=register You have left a required field blank. ... :'( | 20:06 |
| RiD | lol when i clicked that, "You have chosen not to accept the forum rules, so registration cannot continue." appeared | 20:08 |
| okias | http://talk.maemo.org/register.php?do=signup | 20:08 |
| okias | you need check that checkbox | 20:08 |
| okias | but still, it won't pass me | 20:08 |
| okias | tried chrome and firefox | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | check your cookie settngs, delete old stale cookies | 20:12 |
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| okias | : This script should NOT be run as user root. | 20:16 |
| okias | I installed sudo because of this, but still, exactly by http://wiki.maemo.org/Building_a_Virtual_Machine_for_Maemo_development | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 20:16 |
| okias | without sudo it's fine | 20:17 |
| okias | is howto wrong, or I'm ? | 20:17 |
| okias | DocScrutinizer05: about cookies.. ok, i'll try | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth terribly messed up with some maemo/nokia account/registration webpages, they place cookies like "session-timed-out" that never get removed or updated | 20:19 |
| okias | and.. nope, cookies didn't helped | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cookies always help, at least for me ;-) particularly peanut-cookies | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you check for any stale cookies and deleted them? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I#m not sure your problem actually caused by cookie handling or stale cookies. I just recall to have seen such problems) | 20:22 |
| okias | DocScrutinizer05: I deleted everything from FF | 20:23 |
| okias | it just wont let me, try for yourself | 20:23 |
| kerio | i hope you backed that stuff up | 20:23 |
| okias | P.S. I really hope that maemo script will run without sudo | 20:24 |
| okias | it already downloaded and did lot of work | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=70417 Join Date: 2014-05-18 | 20:25 |
| okias | still it sees some blank field :( | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pester tmo maintainer about it! | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he happens to hang out here known as chem|st | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if feasible, change your public IP - you might have run into a spamblocker/botfilter | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty unfortunate that tmo has a record of annoying new users like that | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what's the problem with fixing that, or at least share a friendly note on the registering page mentioning the possible problem, the cause, and what user could do to recover from it | 20:40 |
| okias | DocScrutinizer05: my ip wont change, I have static | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ^^^ could you help? | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ^^^ | 20:43 |
| okias | cssu into scratchbox, do anyone has that line to apt.d ? | 20:51 |
| okias | * sources.list.d | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think there's such thing | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu doesn't offer any new dependencies. IOW no project should depend on CSSU | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally speaking | 20:54 |
| okias | done, ok | 20:54 |
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| okias | I want compare some latest cssu packages against new builded with lto | 20:56 |
| okias | btw. now slowly thinking about injecting gcc-4.9 runtime into n900 + installing it into scratchbox | 20:56 |
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| okias | where is cssu? http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpixman-1-0/ I can't find it | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu isn't in package manager, since it's not a regular repo neither distro | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu is kind of special, working as a supplement to base repositories | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there's neither a source repo nor autobuilder nor access via package interface to it | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | packages for binary cssu repo get built locally by the maintainers and then uploaded to repository.maemo.org | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | much like Nokia did with their packages in the base repos | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see e.g. http://maemo.org/packages/view/cssufeatures/ for "normals" non-system packages that are CSSU and still get built and deployed via maemo-extras repo. NB without any dependencies to CSSU, the autobuilder doesn't even know what's CSSU | 21:31 |
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| okias | how to set default gcc in scratchbox to 4.6 at least for start? | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | note there's no CSSU in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/ | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither in http://repository.maemo.org/ | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1.3/ | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/ | 21:44 |
| xes | okias: could you retry with the register page? | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi xes :-) | 21:47 |
| xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! | 21:47 |
| okias | still You have left a required field blank. :'( | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: xes is one of our maemo.org sysops, I guess he's just about to look at a wireshark screen | 21:48 |
| okias | :D | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | give him some time | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: please stay tuned to help tracking down the issue, if you can spare the time | 21:50 |
| okias | yy | 21:50 |
| okias | btw. just installing python 2.5 | 21:50 |
| okias | because python 2.3 seems little bit unsupported these days | 21:51 |
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| kerio | :c | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .oO(???) | 21:52 |
| kerio | btw, daily reminder that python 2.7 was released in july 2010 | 21:52 |
| okias | :D | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I think 2.5 is standard on maemo fremantle, no? | 21:53 |
| kerio | python 2.5 is from september 2006 | 21:53 |
| okias | btw. that's weird | 21:53 |
| okias | on my n900 I have 2.5.4 | 21:53 |
| okias | but in scratchbox is default 2.3 | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib/python2.5 on /usr/lib/python2.5 type bind (bind) | 21:54 |
| okias | and I can't see any upgrade to 2.5 (only python2.5) | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scratchbox is terribly outdated, you need to do a proper update to PR1.3 I guess | 21:54 |
| kerio | does someone actually want to deal with scratchbox? | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no SB expert here | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what else? | 21:55 |
| okias | kerio: do you have any better ideas? | 21:55 |
| okias | I didn't found much interesting docs about it | 21:55 |
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| kerio | i dunno, a standard maemo install with the dev tools | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 21:55 |
| kerio | install maemo in a VM with more space than a n900 | 21:56 |
| kerio | and install gcc and the -dev packages | 21:57 |
| okias | kerio: is somewhere any reasonable manual for that? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, feasible. If you wanna compile stuff on a 600MHz ARM with 256MB of real RAM | 21:57 |
| kerio | i'm going to assume that the VM will also have a faster cpu with more ram | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that VM is not called scratchbox by any chance? | 21:58 |
| kerio | nope! | 21:58 |
| kerio | for instance, it's not x86 | 21:58 |
| okias | pardon me guys, is there any howto? ;) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nfc what you're talking about | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: howto for what? | 21:59 |
| okias | in fact, there should be almost no-effort put in managing running DEV environment, to _encourage_ people do work :) | 21:59 |
| kerio | okias: well, scratchbox does work with almost no effort | 21:59 |
| kerio | there's the virtualbox image for that | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the idea | 21:59 |
| xes | okias: DocScrutinizer05: the problem seems intermitten and related to the anti captcha module slow or not loading correctly. Check if you can open the address "http://api.recaptcha.net/challenge?k=6LfiVucSAAAAAP1Abdlazjqh3xJs-Oi-s7rZG_0V" | 21:59 |
| okias | well, "install maemo in a VM" is not much exactly way | 21:59 |
| kerio | i'm not entirely sure how updated it is, tho | 21:59 |
| okias | kerio: well, then we should _mark_ wiki pages as obsolete | 22:00 |
| xes | ^ now redirected to a google api page | 22:00 |
| okias | (wiki pages pointing to install scratchbox env) | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: could you please stop that chatter with kerio and help xes? | 22:00 |
| okias | xes: good :) thank you | 22:00 |
| chem|st | okias: did you manage to register now? what is the problem? | 22:01 |
| okias | chem|st: now I can see username, etc. dialog | 22:01 |
| okias | so it look better than before, give me few sec | 22:01 |
| chem|st | browser cache is screwing the fields up... | 22:01 |
| xes | hi chem|st! Could you check the link for the anti captcha module? Maybe it should be updated | 22:02 |
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| okias | chem|st: well, I tried two browsers, it hasn't been caused by cache ;) | 22:02 |
| wizbit | i forgot about dropbox, i wonder if there is a client | 22:03 |
| chem|st | okias: if you browsed the site on the browser before it will have the same problem | 22:05 |
| chem|st | nvm, did you register now? | 22:05 |
| chem|st | yet? | 22:05 |
| okias | chem|st: xes: yes, perfectly, thank you guys! :) | 22:05 |
| chem|st | xes: captcha is fine | 22:06 |
| chem|st | okias: good | 22:06 |
| okias | kerio: can you give me some link, where should I start? | 22:06 |
| xes | chem|st: i loaded the page for 3 times with the captcha block completely missing | 22:07 |
| kerio | for the vm? | 22:07 |
| kerio | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: kerio is notorious for his very own approach to many common problems | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: pleeease | 22:07 |
| kerio | dude that's the real one | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: dude that's dead | 22:08 |
| okias | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 22:08 |
| okias | for start | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also dead | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb | 22:08 |
| infobot | i guess scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 22:08 |
| okias | well, it's not much funny, it's really discouraging for new devs (I think) | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: sorry for Nokia lilling all official links | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | killing | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just so much community can do about it | 22:09 |
| okias | can you drop links then? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get the VM disk image | 22:10 |
| okias | it look pretty new | 22:10 |
| okias | what changed? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | downloaded from somewhere else? | 22:10 |
| okias | so, only because location changed? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:11 |
| okias | good to know | 22:11 |
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| okias | before I'll go for it (it kills my 2Mbit line), http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 22:12 |
| okias | I guess, it's not recommended these days, right? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly still the autoritative howto on it | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I doubt all the URLs inside the script still work | 22:13 |
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| okias | DocScrutinizer05: well, I'd like to put on beginning it's not recommended anymore, and link to your recommended variant | 22:14 |
| okias | just to prevent people end like me ;) | 22:14 |
| okias | with python2.3 :D | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're welcome to review that wiki page and the scripts tehrein, and update it to work with what we got left over to juggle with nowadays | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally you're supposed to run an update inside scratchbox | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but, as mentioned above, I'm no SB expert | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get upgrade? nfc | 22:16 |
| okias | DocScrutinizer05: do you know any guys who could tell? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: | 22:16 |
| okias | DocScrutinizer05: well, no... apt-get upgrade on actual think wont give me upgrade for python 2.3 -> 2.5 | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly need to do the equivalent to SSU | 22:17 |
| okias | I'd like to try document _simplest_ way how to get to most actual development system as is possible | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to update to maemo PR1.3 level | 22:17 |
| okias | which of course that virtualbox image seems to be | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | virtualbox is just an easy way to get a plain SB install. It's no way more up to date that what you have right now | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to do an update inside scratchbox | 22:19 |
| okias | I have idea.. could be missing deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries ? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's where my knowledge ends | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:19 |
| okias | but I guess python _shouldn't_ have any deps on proprietary binaries :D | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it pretty sure has | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokia-binaries is what's getting updated | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the PR1.x | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically | 22:20 |
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| okias | but it's non-sense | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 22:21 |
| okias | at least for python | 22:21 |
| okias | then there shouldn't be any python | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have no idea what nonsense maemo package management and dependencies is | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo is one huge metapackage, and that's it | 22:22 |
| okias | well, I have very simple plan... get this **** think working, rebuild sw with 4.9 and make new repository | 22:22 |
| okias | of course only for opensource sw | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache search mp-fremantle | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-generic-pr - | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-community-pr - Community SSU package, includes latest fixes from Gitorious and the community | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-generic-pr: | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: (none) | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Candidate: 21.2011.38-1 | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (not installed on my system since I wanted to get procps | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but once it been installed, or otherwise no maemo in that device | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | update that in SB and I guess here you are | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB mp-fremantle-community-pr is only *supplementary* to mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 22:25 |
| kerio | ...no it's not? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need the latter one instaled to use the former one | 22:26 |
| kerio | cssu-enabler removes -generic- | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but not the packages it consists of | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and community-pr afaik doesn't depend on them so they would get updated to latest base repo version | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generic-pr installs the maemo system. community-pr just replaces the patched bits | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *could* be wrong on that | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for scratchbox it's pretty irrelevant anyway, since usually you're not supposed to develop using CSSU, aiui | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW don't install community-pr to scratchbox, right? | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't even want that, since your package is supposed to work on stock maemo as well | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is supposed to be compatible environment for apps built against stock | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but stock is not defined as compatible for apps built against CSSU | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see my previous remark | 22:31 |
| okias | for start, good idea would be release something like PR1.4 | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/cssufeatures/ | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.4 | 22:31 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 22:31 |
| okias | it also show world it's still alive | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | okias: we CANNOT release PR1.4, since we don't possess the Nokia signing key | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we got CSSU | 22:32 |
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| okias | interesting and could it be signed by your own key? what happend then? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then the package will not get installed since our repos don't have sufficient trustlevel in HAM | 22:33 |
| okias | and exist any simple way, how to increase trustlevel? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the simplest way is what CSSU does | 22:34 |
| okias | hmm | 22:34 |
| okias | there is one option | 22:34 |
| okias | just release whole firmware, to flash? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, manual editing, or make every user manually install package ACME-update | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or make every user reflash with new firmware package we created, yes | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we however wnat to stay compatible for users | 22:35 |
| okias | well, in fact, this could have good spread | 22:35 |
| okias | you know, first user flash PR1.4 (including new keys, fixed repos) and flash after flash there could be lot of "up-dateable" devices | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, this been evaluated and plumbed together by a bunch of skilled community members and Nokians during almost a year. I don't think we can inprove it now on a sunday evening irc chat | 22:36 |
| okias | well, in fact, I read about Neo900 | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm afk now, need to star some other tasks, then take care about Neo900 related stuff | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, for Neo900 we actually want a "new distro" with own repo and all - though it should stay binbary compatible so users can still use packages from maemo-extras(-*) | 22:39 |
| okias | I just want say.. there is lot of "manpower" in n900, but it's totally fragmented | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk o/ | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neo-fremantle won't use nokia binaries repos | 22:54 |
| kerio | well, it would be suicide | 22:56 |
| kerio | you need the exact ancient versions of libraries | 22:56 |
| kerio | or compatibility layers | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you're aware that libraries are supposed to stay compatible? | 23:03 |
| kerio | backwards compatibility is broken all the time for different reasons | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html#3.6. | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only by idiots | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>When a new version of a library is binary-incompatible with the old one the soname needs to change<< | 23:05 |
| kerio | so why can't we blindly drop in the latest libc in fremantle? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because only a jackass touches libc at all, without extensive tests and a good reason | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libc is probably more core than kernel | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, read that fine tutorial. Instead of stopping me from taking my shower and getting breakfast! :-D | 23:10 |
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| okias | kerio: latest libc.. depend what libc :D | 23:10 |
| okias | kerio: for example musl-libc http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html could be very good idea to work with, but 100% needs rebuild of everything, including closedsource blobs :D | 23:11 |
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| pug | Hi | 23:33 |
| pug | is anyone of you using Whatsup on MeeGo? | 23:33 |
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