IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-04-04

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MaxdamantusHm. I think I'm going to write a 9P/Styx contacts/SMS/call manager for ofono.05:44
Maxdamantusafaict, basically the only other thing that lets you manage that is telepathy-ring/what's-that-crazy-gnome-project-called-again.05:45
Maxdamantusthen there'll be a small GUI program for displaying chat windows and another small GUI program to handle calls and a small program to play with the LEDs/vibrator when stuff happens.05:46
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SiceloMaxdamantus: what will you be using your sms manager with? maemo?07:45
MaxdamantusSicelo: no.07:46
MaxdamantusSicelo: it won't be used with anything in particular.07:47
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, ofono10:52
DocScrutinizer05you're aware of fso?10:52
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infoboti guess fso is the mobile devices middleware.
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zGrrmoin :)11:03
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MaxdamantusDocScrutinizer05: ofono seems more mature, and seems to serve a more precise purpose.11:12
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ApicHelp: My Camera App hangs up at the 2nd Photograph… i have to kill it… what shall i do to resolve this Issue?11:56
ApicIt shows the Photograph before hanging11:57
ApicAnd during11:57
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MaxdamantusApic: I think it's because it's still busy saving the first photo.12:35
MaxdamantusApic: try mounting a tmpfs over the DCIM directory you're using.12:35
Maxdamantus(to see if the problem goes away)12:36
ApicOk, mompls12:36
Maxdamantus(it's not an actual solution, because they'd just be saved to memory)12:36
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ApicYes, with the tmpfs i can save 2 in a Row…12:40
ApicHow to solve it?12:40
Maxdamantusdo you get the problem using the eMMC or an SD card?12:41
ApicInternal eMMC12:41
ApicMaybe the Firmware sees Bad Blocks and is continually resolving?12:41
MaxdamantusHow big are the actual image files?12:43
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MaxdamantusWonder if the camera application does a sync after writing the file.12:44
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DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: hmm, more mature? fso is older than ofono. precise purpose? that's a way to state what ofono initially blamed fso for "it's only an AT cmd interface - ofono will be more". seems now it's like exactly the opposite way and fso is the truly broad middleware and ofono the "AT interface"17:31
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, ofono has the "more precise purpose" if you want to put it that way17:32
Maxdamantusit doesn't have interfaces for an LED or a vibrator or a GPS thing etc17:33
Maxdamantusie, it's a bunch of drivers for modems.17:33
MaxdamantusDunno. Does FSO have another advantage?17:34
DocScrutinizer05ofono? right this might not have interfaces for LED and GPS17:39
DocScrutinizer05FSO definitely has interfaces for all that17:40
Maxdamantusthe LEDs/vibrator are easy enough to control just using /sys.17:42
bencohthe main idea behind fso is "dbus-driven"17:43
DocScrutinizer05you can't even do that on maemo, you need to talk to mce for that17:43
bencohyou're missing this very point with /sys17:43
* Maxdamantus doesn't particularly like dbus.17:43
bencohI don't either to be honest ;)17:43
MaxdamantusI mean, I think something like dbus is important.17:43
DocScrutinizer05nobody does, not even the original author of fso17:44
Maxdamantusbut I think dynamic filesystems already solved what dbus tries to.17:44
Maxdamantuskind of like /sys, though that's not particularly neat either.17:44
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Maxdamantusbecause of 9p's precedent.17:47
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MaxdamantusIt doesn't.17:49
DocScrutinizer05anyway fso just resurrected from a 3 year baby-break of main developer, while ofono... dunno.17:49
Maxdamantusofono seems to have recent commits.17:49
bencohit does17:49
MaxdamantusYeah, lots of commits this year.17:49
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DocScrutinizer05well, whatever. I prefer fso since it has the more educated and evolved middleware approach, while ofono really just focuses on modem and those guys never were any cooperative or welcoming17:53
DocScrutinizer05of course it might also be I'm a little biased since I helped with FSO17:54
bencohmight be :)17:55
bencohhmm do with have anything yet on neo900 modem btw ? any software plan ?17:56
DocScrutinizer05but it's a really funny story that ofono guys, when micky suggested to them to join the new project to already existing FSO, blamed FSO to abe an "AT interface" and never answered again after that17:56
* Maxdamantus likes the modem driver approach better.17:56
* Maxdamantus doesn't run much under X on his computers other than xmonad, a web browser, mplayer, urxvt, mupdf and sonata.17:56
DocScrutinizer05THEN you're actually better off with simple /sys and /day/ttyACM interfaces17:57
Maxdamantuswith the N900 I'd like to run basically the same stuff (maybe not mplayer), plus some simple thing for SMS/calls.17:57
DocScrutinizer05get the AT-cmdlist of 3GPP, it has all the needed AT cmds for SMS, to send over such /dev/ttyACM17:58
DocScrutinizer05or - for silly maemo - pnatd17:59
bencohwonder wether gammu would work out of the box18:00
Maxdamantussounds like the stuff in ofono/test18:00
Maxdamantuswhich works out-of-the-box on Debian on the N90018:00
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MaxdamantusI'll just write the main part around ofono first in Python, copying the dbus calls from test.18:02
Maxdamantusthen if I can be bothered, maybe I'll look into changing it to use /dev/ttyACM directly18:03
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DocScrutinizer05a pity that nobody understands the paramount importance of a proper middleware for embedded18:12
DocScrutinizer05Nokia in maemo pushed for a frankenstein zoo of middleware-crippleware18:13
DocScrutinizer05like liblocation, mce, mafw aso18:14
DocScrutinizer05for some of them they opted for universal dbus interface, for others... not18:14
MaxdamantusI feel like it would be more successful if there weren't "a middleware"18:14
Maxdamantusjust interfaces for various things.18:15
DocScrutinizer05where "it" being what?18:15
Maxdamantusso you have competition for the best GSM/whatever interface and so on.18:15
DocScrutinizer05all you get is competition between apps trying to concurrently use same GSM/whatever interface18:16
MaxdamantusThen one will become dominant.18:16
DocScrutinizer05you missed the point. *completely*18:17
MaxdamantusInstead, company X will decide it doesn't like the way middleware Y handles feature Z.18:17
Maxdamantusso they'll make a new one.18:17
DocScrutinizer05I'm not talking about 2market", I talk about "runtime"18:18
bencohMaxdamantus: you're talking about "competition", DocScrutinizer05 is talking about concurrency18:18
MaxdamantusLinux, glibc, coreutils, Xorg .. typical combinations of software, none dependent on the other.18:18
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MaxdamantusYes, I know.18:19
DocScrutinizer05GSM, GPS, battery, terman management: typical subsystems NOT independent of each other18:19
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MaxdamantusI've been running `acpi -bi` on my laptop for years without GSM or GPS.18:19
DocScrutinizer05again MEH18:20
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MaxdamantusI can see another interface in /sys for the N900's battery, which doesn't require GSM or GPS at least above the kernel level.18:20
DocScrutinizer05since that tells me... you're missing the point18:20
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DocScrutinizer05good luck with controlling your vibrator device for realtime feedback in a game like 2maze" and then phone stack wants to use vibrator to signal inbound call concurrently18:22
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DocScrutinizer05with initiating a 911 call despite battery too hot for normal calls18:23
DocScrutinizer05with using GPS when it's part of the modem actually18:24
DocScrutinizer05with doing that from several concurrently running location-aware apps18:24
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DocScrutinizer05app A using your apecial curly to enable GSM to access GPS. Then app B does same, since you patched both to know about the mix of GSM and GPS. but when you stop app A, will it shut down GSM, or will it magically know about app B using GPS still?18:26
Maxdamantusanother thing about small interfaces is that they can easily be adapted.18:27
MaxdamantusI haven't paid too much attention to the sound system wars in Linux, but I remember things like oss/arts/esd/alsa/pulseaudio probably other random stuff.18:27
Maxdamantusyou could usually adapt.18:27
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I feel like this discussion is leading nowhere. we're speaking different languages or live on different planets18:28
Maxdamantusthere's a pulse output in alsa, there's an alsa output in pulse.18:28
bencohMaxdamantus: right, and it's a bit like when we had no alsa, plain oss with no muxer, and had to mux several apps18:29
DocScrutinizer05there will prolly be a ofono adapter for GSM in FSO. There will not be any such thin in ofono to use FSO. But there might be a compatibility layer in FSO to allow ofono interface for apps to FSO GSM subclass18:29
bencoheither use one single app at a time, or use a sound system (pa, esd, whatever) on top of oss18:30
MaxdamantusMost applications nowadays aren't limited to oss.18:30
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks18:30
MaxdamantusThey might be limited to pa or alsa though, but those can output to oss or the other thing.18:31
bencohit was just a metaphor18:31
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: the concept of midlware aka soundserver completely eludes him18:31
Maxdamantus"there will prolly be a ofono adapter for GSM in FSO. There will not be any such thin in ofono to use FSO."18:32
bencohMaxdamantus: how would you have two concurrent app playing sound at that time (10 years ago)18:32
Maxdamantusisn't this exactly what I've been saying?18:32
Maxdamantussmall interface, easy to adapt.18:32
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bencoh(at the *same* time I mean)18:32
raccoon_i think the design concept "just interfaces for various things" is what eludes Maxdamantus idea of software design on a given set of chips and hardware design, other 3rd party software and any other of numerous gotchas DocScrutinizer05 already mentioned18:32
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raccoon_that we have to comply with on the n90018:33
MaxdamantusI didn't really understand that sentence.18:33
bencohme neither, I think a cat ate a few words :)18:34
raccoon_nevermind, i realize i was just trying to repeat what already has been said. and not in a successful way18:35
raccoon_did someone say food?18:35
bencohif you usually eat cats, then yeah18:36
raccoon_i try to avoid that, got enough fur to cough up as is18:37
DocScrutinizer05when you *are* a cat and cats actually eat words, then too18:38
DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: it's pretty simple: libisi (is subset of) /dev/tty* (is subset of) ofono (is subset of) fso18:40
DocScrutinizer05the more platform independant and cuncurrency-safe you want your app to be, the more to the right a solution you want to pick18:41
Maxdamantusand ofono is the suitable level for concurrent access.18:41
bencohit is ... but for gsm stuff only18:42
DocScrutinizer05yes, but only to modem, while FSO has a holistic approach18:42
bencoh(I'd be fine with that though)18:42
DocScrutinizer05with FSO you also can make your APP controll backlight-always-on and GPS and....18:42
DocScrutinizer05and I wonder if ofono has any concept of resource sharing on multi-user environments, while I'm sure FSO at least has thought about how to integrate this aspect. And no, multi-user doesn't mean multipe humans use one phone, it means for example secure namespace separation18:45
DocScrutinizer05it means running dialer in a chroot for example18:48
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DocScrutinizer05or simply under another user18:48
Maxdamantusso the restriction will be that it can only dial, so only has the dial interface?18:49
Maxdamantuschroots are kind of ugly for restriction in Linux18:49
Maxdamantusif you have a procfs mounted, you can just look at /proc/1/root/18:50
Maxdamantus(or some other process)18:50
DocScrutinizer05sorry, this doesn't sound coherent to me18:50
DocScrutinizer05lost in translation, different planets, you know18:51
MaxdamantusIf you're in a chroot and have the same uid as a process outside the chroot, you can open the other process' root directory through a procfs.18:52
DocScrutinizer05if the one setting up the chroot was a dummy then yes18:53
Maxdamantusorcus:~# sha1sum /go18:53
Maxdamantusa435818c5b375b81e38c3c78c958af645c9eab16  /go18:53
Maxdamantusorcus:~# chroot /home/debian-armel-root sha1sum /proc/1/root/go18:53
Maxdamantusa435818c5b375b81e38c3c78c958af645c9eab16  /proc/1/root/go18:53
DocScrutinizer05btw on the usual chroot there's only ONE namespace systemwide for process ids18:54
MaxdamantusYou can also just ptrace other processes.18:54
Maxdamantusif you have the same uid.18:54
DocScrutinizer05there CANNOT be a different process in chroot with same process numeric id like another process ourside chroot18:55
MaxdamantusI'm aware.18:55
DocScrutinizer05then you *completely* lost me on what you're telling here18:55
MaxdamantusThe only thing that's different is the "root directory" of a process.18:55
MaxdamantusA process has a current working directory and a root directory.18:56
Maxdamantuswhen you chroot, you just change what the root directory is.18:56
bencohDocScrutinizer05: he said same uid, not pid18:56
Maxdamantuslike how when you chdir, you just change what the current working directory is.18:56
DocScrutinizer05thanks, I know how chroot (and pivot_root) works18:56
DocScrutinizer05ooh, sorry18:56
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DocScrutinizer05no idea anyway why we're discussing chroots now18:57
MaxdamantusPlan 9 solved all this namespace stuff properly ages ago.18:57
DocScrutinizer05yes, plan9 is fine, alas not very popular18:58
DocScrutinizer05this however doesn't mean it was a asmart thing to apply plan9 architectural paradigms to linux apps18:59
DocScrutinizer05on plan9 you might even get away without any middleware18:59
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bencohp9 on n900 ? yay !19:00
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MaxdamantusThey even removed chroot from POSIX because it was silly.19:02
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DocScrutinizer05POSIX is a subset of linux api, always been19:04
DocScrutinizer05not all that's in linux but not in POSIX is silly19:04
Maxdamantusnot Linux.19:04
Maxdamantusbut glibc etc19:04
Maxdamantusand bash, and gcc19:05
Maxdamantusbut the POSIX library interface is basically glibc.19:05
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* Maxdamantus was experimenting with some POSIX function before and glibc complained at runtime that it wasn't implemented.19:06
Maxdamantusexecat, iirc19:06
Maxdamantuser, fexec or fexecv or whatever19:06
MaxdamantusHm. What's it called?19:07
Maxdamantusfexecve -_-19:07
bencoh"but the POSIX library interface is basically glibc." nope.19:07
bencohdefinitely not.19:07
MaxdamantusWhich bits aren't covered by glibc?19:08
Maxdamantusunless you're talking about how glibc is just a simple wrapper for some system calls.19:08
bencohno I mean, lots of thing in glibc arent posix at all19:09
Maxdamantuslike open/close/read/write, as opposed to pthreads, which the kernel doesn't know anything about.19:09
MaxdamantusI just meant the POSIX library interface is all handled by glibc.19:09
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Maxdamantusrather than by Linux or something else.19:09
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DocScrutinizer05goddamn nepomuk sematic desktop ate 12GB(!) of RAM and brings my system close to a collapse21:15
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DocScrutinizer05sure, who needs such crap. but without it I can't even search/filter for "new mail" in kmail/kontact, thanks akonadi==nepomuk it seems21:17
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