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ludensanyone here with experience from using custom post-ifup hooks or similar on the n900?00:53
ludensi know ive had it working earlier, but now i cant seem to make it work00:54
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DocScrutinizer05Munrek: see02:21
infobot[flasher] at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:
infoboti heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see (or )02:22
infobothmm... emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or, or
DocScrutinizer05Munrek: sorry nobody else gave a decent answer :-/02:23
DocScrutinizer05Munrek: thanks for sharing that stuff as well02:23
DocScrutinizer05~flasher is also
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0502:24
DocScrutinizer05~emmc is also
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0502:25
infobothmm... flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
infoboti guess emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or, or
DocScrutinizer05~literal emmc02:26
infobot"#maemo emmc" is "magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or, or"02:26
DocScrutinizer05~literal _default emmc02:27
infobot"emmc" is ""02:27
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, emmc is <see>#maemo emmc02:27
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0502:27
DocScrutinizer05~literal emmc02:27
infobot"#maemo emmc" is "magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or, or"02:27
DocScrutinizer05~emmc is also
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay02:28
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MunrekDocScrutinizer05: I have also mirrored nokia images, now my mirror has the latest pr131 and the central europe emmc11:52
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antithesisDoes Lukija work for anyone?12:00
antithesisIt's a read it later client12:00
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antithesisI can't ssh into my n900 unless I have it constantly ping my router. Is there a solution to this bug?12:15
Defiantantithesis: tried disable power management12:19
antithesisDefiant you mean auto disconnect?12:21
antithesisBecause I have tried that12:21
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Defiantno power management12:21
Defiantor power save, not sure what it is called in the english version12:22
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antithesisI can't find that option12:23
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antithesisBtw it's the problem described here:
antithesisWait no, that's not the right one12:23
antithesis this one12:23
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narcosHi all :) Anyone know how we're doing with the Neo900?12:24
narcosDocScrutinizer: I think that's your baby, right?12:25
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Defiantantithesis: under settings, select your connection, then go to advanced, other and select medium or off for power save12:27
Defiantthat fixed my ssh problems12:27
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cgkantithesis: maemo-pc-connectivity with usb -- i played around a long time ago with my n900 and used this to develop from my laptop12:32
antithesisDefiant thanks12:32
antithesiscgk it's solved :)12:33
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cgkhi - i'm new to irc .. i have an n900 that i want to 'make new'.  i'm thinking i want to reset it, bring it 'up to date', install python, (i would like) qt5, and then install ukeyboard, and pokerth.  after reading, i see n900 flasher software and images were taken down by nokia - i'd like to flash the device but are there some tradeoffs with using unofficial files?  in a bit i'm going to sit down and read through a bunch of this stuff.  if anybody h13:20
cgkadvice about this i'd appreciate it.13:20
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infobot[nokiabinaries] at
zGrrmoin :)13:44
silviofcgk: ping13:44
silvioftach zGrr :)13:44
infobotit has been said that nokiabinaries is at
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cgksilviof : wow - thanks - if this is what i think13:56
silviofcgk: hmm, what to you think? :-P13:57
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hxkaThere is an N900 without an MicroSD flex cable, his user says the camera program won't open, is there a way to make camera work?13:58
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cgksilviof : i thought there'd be a flasher tool and an image file and some options for region that might not be that important - i looked at the packages file of the 'nokiabinaries link' and it looks like the maemo default software - calendar, control panel, libraries - low-level platform stuff ..14:03
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cgkhxka : thank you14:11
hxkacgk: thank Munrek :) It's his server14:11
cgkmunrek: thank You14:12
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Munrekif there is other regional images that need an hosting, you are welcome to contact me ;)14:56
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DocScrutinizer05Munrek: the regional emmc images are really not that interesting. It's all just about the videos and music that comes with them, or maybe the set on localized "guides" as well. every reasonable user will discard all that material anyway, after max 1 week15:12
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DocScrutinizer05Munrek: thanks anyway :-)15:14
MunrekDocScrutinizer05: ok I was wondering because nokia's european image weight more than the double of the vanilla one15:15
DocScrutinizer05I bet it comes with an additional video15:15
FIQtbh I never discarded these15:17
DocScrutinizer05on new devices there been at least "number 9" (some animation film) and a N900 promo15:17
FIQI never really found a problem with them being there15:17
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: great, so you can post a list what they are15:17
FIQeven though I never used them15:18
FIQare you referring to the demo video?15:18
DocScrutinizer05I kept them for long time, but probably eventually discarded or not migrated them15:18
DocScrutinizer05the whole original content of MyDocs15:18
Munrek(DocScrutinizer05: you can also add my mirror to the "pr131" bot thing now)15:19
FIQI can take a look once I get on hold of a turned on N90015:19
DocScrutinizer05Munrek: well, it's OK I think15:19
FIQhave nokia discarded maemo stuff yet?15:20
FIQfirmware and such I mean15:20
FIQI have backups locally, just curious15:20
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MunrekFIQ: yes, the tablets-dev website has been shutdown a few month ago I think15:21
Munrekmaybe 4 months, it's not that old15:21
FIQwasn't that merely a CNAME to
FIQto be precise15:21
Munrek"This page got discontinued, please call your local Nokia customer care. ( "15:22
FIQwhat are these supposed to do? :p15:22
raininjaanything wrong with this for building Qt?15:22
FIQnokia care I mean15:22
raininjait is complaining, and we have no libconnsettings in arch15:23
raininjai suppose i need to fix that15:23
DocScrutinizer05omg: music mp3 I never heard of: Chad Gendason; Chuck winslow; Gresby Nash; Jensen Reed Patel; Mark Kulke; Popeiluch; Stone + Griffiths; Everitt;15:23
FIQwhat about N9? did their stuff survive?15:24
DocScrutinizer05actually the tablets-dev site got shutdown >1year ago, just we revived it temporarily until Nokia complained15:25
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DocScrutinizer05raininja: when you're building for N9, you are not exactly in right channel here, see /topic15:27
raininjawell I need QtMaemo515:27
DocScrutinizer05raininja: when you're building for fremantle then your harmattan stuff for sure is odd15:27
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DocScrutinizer05raininja: well, Qt is supposed to provide a cross-platform toolkit, but that doesn't mean the toolkit itself is platform agnostic, rather the opposite is true15:29
MunrekDocScrutinizer05: why did they complained ?15:30
raininjain otherwords, you don't know15:30
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DocScrutinizer05raininja: I don't know what?15:31
DocScrutinizer05I know that building Qt for fremantle and having a harmattan reference in compiler cmdline smells15:31
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DocScrutinizer05will most certainly not pan out15:32
DocScrutinizer05target fremantle and target harmattan are not exactly compatible15:33
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DocScrutinizer05Munrek: watercooler gossip has it that Nemein received order from Nokia to take down the tablets-dev site due to "security problems detected on that site". So the stage site on and the content distribution mirror farm of akamai servers that been gone down with a cryptic error msg. When migration completed a year ago, your humble techstaff team found a service on disabled and did their15:41
DocScrutinizer05best to re-establish it, which eventually it did. Consequently also the site went online again. A while later Nokia went panic that somebody "is distributing content under their name" (SIC!) and so HiFo instructed techstuff to take down that site again15:41
DocScrutinizer05go figure: Nokia doesn't know how to shut down a * website15:42
DocScrutinizer05so they needed us to shut down the stage where that server farm pulls data from15:43
DocScrutinizer05and NOBODY ever explained WHAT that perceived security threat allegedly is, so maemo techstaff had no chance to fix the problem15:44
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a sub par episode of "the big bang theory" or another silly soap opera. Alas it's reality15:45
DocScrutinizer05*allegedly* the security thread is in flasher-3.5 itself, which is even more ridiculous since that flasher is available widespread in a number of standard linux distros15:47
Munrekwhat is the problem with flasher exactly ?15:47
DocScrutinizer05who knows?15:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure I really heard or rather dreamed about that flasher detail15:48
Munrekthey could have released the code now ...15:49
DocScrutinizer05maybe it offers a way to recover data from locked devices which Nokia doesn't want to allow (silly since flasher already is out there), or it has a GPL violation that they want to cover up by not distributing it anymore, or who knows what15:49
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DocScrutinizer05or you could nuke the N900 hardware, but then again Nokia better had published a fixed version15:50
Munrekmaybe ... this is a strange story.15:50
DocScrutinizer05or it's mere nonsense and the whole security threat is a lame excuse for some comletely different goal they try to achieve15:51
Munrekif they try to make us buy some windows phone shit they are aiming the wrong target15:52
DocScrutinizer05sure. I don't think that's the reason behind that mess15:52
DocScrutinizer05I personally suspect contract related issues with outsourced parts (binaries developed by 3rd party) which Nokia lost permission to distribute when they went M$15:55
Munrekwell, if they don't forbid us to distribute these images I just don't care15:57
Munrekand even if they complain about my mirror i am not sure I will obey15:58
DocScrutinizer05anyway most ridiculous detail in all that: nokia themselves still distributes all the binaries via their fire.n.c fileservers, *without* any of that IMEI authentication lock that stopped downloads form tabletsdev for those who don't own a Nokia device15:58
DocScrutinizer05Munrek: I am fine with that, and you have my explicit "thank you" for that15:59
DocScrutinizer05I'm just waiting for finally somebody starting a class action case at court against Nokia for stopping support of a device prior to reasonably expectable support period expiry16:00
Munreksuch an action does not worth the price it has16:01
DocScrutinizer05that's btw why your techstaff decided to place "please call your local Nokia customer care. ( " on that site16:01
DocScrutinizer05nb that all the content on still gets puled from stage16:03
DocScrutinizer05pulled even16:03
Munrekwhen I could not find any image yesterday I complained to Nokia Care France, they told me they are searching for information, I am waiting to see what they are gonna say16:03
Munrekbut honestly I think since maemo has been discontinued and since they belong to Crosoft they don't have themselve informations anymore16:06
DocScrutinizer05ask HiFo! Our beloved HiFo board doesn't share any info on their negotiations with Nokia about all that16:07
DocScrutinizer05not even to council, despite  "Council work: [...] Being able to represent the community to Nokia, especially when dealing with sensitive information; for example, attendance at N900 launch as community reps."16:08
MunrekI don't know what exactly is this foundation story, I stopped maemo 2 years ago when my dear N900 died (usb ...)16:08
DocScrutinizer05I guess you don't want to know, really16:09
DocScrutinizer05the story about HiFo is the mother of all tales about an epic failure16:10
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DocScrutinizer05not that the original concept was completely flawed, but alas the implementation never succeeded16:11
MunrekI really do appreciate the efforts you are making to keep maemo alive, but honestly the community is dying slowly whith the N900 hardwares so :'/16:12
DocScrutinizer05proof: now HiFo plans to "go suicide" and have their heritage passed to some german e.V.16:12
Munrekneo900 could be a realy thing but it's gonna be very expensive16:12
Munrekrealy good*16:13
DocScrutinizer05sorry, we can't do much about the price16:13
DocScrutinizer05OTOH N900 initial pricetag been 599EUR IIRC16:13
Munrekyes I know that consumer electronics are very expensive to product in small qty, there is nothing to do about it16:14
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DocScrutinizer05we might be able to even beat thet16:14
Munrekanyway once I'll have enough bucks you can be sure I'll buy one16:15
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DocScrutinizer05and we aim to maybe a 1/1000 of the sales numbers N900 seen16:15
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DocScrutinizer05maybe even 1/10000016:15
Munrekbut I am a student so this kind of investment is just impossible for me at that time16:16
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DocScrutinizer05well, maemo never targeted the budget market segment16:16
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MunrekI buyed my N900 from an ebay hong kong store for 180€16:18
DocScrutinizer05and you know, my PC I bought a year ago been not only 10 times as fast but also same time half the cost of the one I bought 10 years ago. That's same with all electronics stuff16:19
DocScrutinizer05Munrek: I'm not quite sure but odds are that in another 5 years you could get a Neo900 from eBay for same pricetag16:19
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MunrekI hope you will have that success16:20
DocScrutinizer05I dunno if that counts for success16:21
Munrekhum why ?16:21
DocScrutinizer05you can get virtually everything on fleabay, and usually cheaper than what it the initial slaes price been, particularly when device you buy is used or refurbished. That's not related to any success of the particular product16:22
Munrekoh I was not thinking about that16:23
Munrekfor me if in 5 years there is hong kong stores selling your product this is a real sign of success16:24
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's pretty unlikely to happen16:34
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MunrekDocScrutinizer05: how advanced is the project actually ?16:38
DocScrutinizer05we're on our path and in schedule16:38
DocScrutinizer05and hoping for a boost by factor 4 from current preorders to final number of devices ordered16:41
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MunrekDocScrutinizer05: hum I think people will massively buy it when it will be ready and available ... invest into a preorder is much more difficult17:40
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drathirok modules look like works, but still i get something strange... After connect to network that not show at list all the time mostly list of networks is empty but when show and connect after few seconds get disconnected... :/18:07
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drathirany ideas where search to ?18:09
drathirdmesg get some kind of driver reports beacon loss from AP18:10
drathirbut router is ok from other devices connect w/o problems18:11
drathirn900 power52 kernel18:11
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drathirMunrek: have You see any other great alternatives to n900/neo900?18:18
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Munrekdrathir: there is Pandora18:49 but this not a phone, this is intended to be a  console18:50
Munrekthere is also this :
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drathirMunrek: even arch is possible to run on n900 but isnt optimised to use on that device, but no any other alternative with clean os for now only n900 left...18:54
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drathirsadly android for me isnt interesting platform i prefer something much more able to control, and android for me have no control...18:56
Munrekand you're right, my Nexus 4 has a big hardware and is very nice, but I can't quit this android shit18:57
Munrekthis is why I am trying to repair my N90018:57
drathirmaemo is grat in my opinion but really sad that left by nokia...18:57
Munrekthis was a phone made for geeks, we can be happy that Nokia made this possible :)18:58
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drathirMunrek: my n900 too wait for repair of usb, but sadly i think need to buy new one because not sure but think i have hw problems with wifi :/18:59
drathirfew sec ago booted arch and there also have problems with connect throught wifi :(19:00
DocScrutinizer51wl1251 firmware not happy with some crappy AP19:03
DocScrutinizer51try PSM:none19:03
drathirif that true what i think its a hw problem thats make me sad...19:03
DocScrutinizer51losing beacons isn't a problem in itself yet19:04
DocScrutinizer51search tmo for "power saving mode wlan"19:05
drathirDocScrutinizer51: ap all time the same and before works w/o problems... only phone lie unused few month because no way to charge battery but now i able to charge battery with nokia c3 if the same battery used...19:07
drathirDocScrutinizer51: ok i also try shut down the power save...19:08
DocScrutinizer51so problem is new on unchanged setup?19:08
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DocScrutinizer51what is the problem actually?19:09
drathirDocScrutinizer51: sadly yes looks like w/o any changes problems occur that is most scary for me :(19:09
DocScrutinizer51indeed strange19:10
drathirwho know maybe You remember me in past i have too little strange problems with kernel modules but sloved that was with nice picture of red wifi indicator ^^19:11
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drathirDocScrutinizer51: with power save disabled also the same behaviours no network see at list (but should min 2 network) and after few tryies when show one of them and few tryies to connect when connected stay only few seconds...19:30
drathirthe more strange for me is that was the same on normal not power kernel too...19:31
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drathiri think now rather than fix usb port need to collect money for new one n900...19:33
DocScrutinizer05drathir: might be poor contact to WLAN/BT antenna19:39
DocScrutinizer05cleaning C-süromgs and antenna contact pads might help19:40
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: cleaning C-spromgs and antenna contact pads might help19:40
DocScrutinizer05cleaning C-springs and antenna contact pads might help19:40
Munrekholy sh*t, I just remembered my 7 digits lockcode ... yesterday I tried like 50 different codes and I thought I'll need to flash it ><19:42
Munrekdon't play with lock codes kids ...19:42
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merlin1991Munrek: well you can recover it with an recovery initird19:44
merlin1991search for john the ripper on tmo19:44
Munrekthis implies a flash, and with my very buggy usb I couldn't tried without fixing it19:45
merlin1991doesn't imply flash, only load19:45
merlin1991ie rescueos is enough19:45
Munrekthis is the same, you need to use flasher and usb :)19:46
merlin1991that's true :)19:46
merlin1991but if it fails nothing from your n900 flash is broken19:46
Munrekwell maybe, but I don't want to play with things I don't master19:47
Munrekwhen my instinc tell me "do not do that" I better listen to him ... every time I did not I have broken something19:48
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Munrekhm, why maemo tell me that I need nokia pc suite on my computer to update him ?19:55
CR0W-Is there any application that displays all sms messages sorted by date instead of this conversation display?19:56
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CR0W-Munrek: you can update maemo with a free application called flasher available for Windows, GNU/Linux and OS X.19:57
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MunrekI have the latest rootfs, this is very weird19:58
Munrekthere is no need to flash it to update maemo19:58
CR0W-Munrek: oh, sorry.19:59
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drathirDocScrutinizer05: thanks that can be good idea... Need to check when battery charged how works close to ap if any diff...20:14
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