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| T_X | anyone using the BackupMenu here? currently trying to reset the calibration with that one somehow | 03:04 |
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| T_X | USB Mass Storage Mode doesn't seem to offer the root partition, only /home/ (sdb2) and MyDocs/ (sdb1) | 03:06 |
| T_X | and with ssh mode my usual root password does not seem to work somehow | 03:06 |
| T_X | neither does the root console, that one doesn't accept my password either | 03:07 |
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| T_X | or actually it does accept my password but seems to say "can't execute '/bin/bash': no such file or directory | 03:25 |
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| merlin1991 | T_X: did you maybe swap the shell but uninstalled bash? | 03:27 |
| T_X | dunno. if so then quite a while ago | 03:29 |
| T_X | though I think I had written some scripts explicitly using /bin/bash, too | 03:29 |
| T_X | merlin1991: but not sure about it | 03:30 |
| T_X | hm, I'm going to create a backup of the root partition. maybe that'll help figuring out what's wrong | 03:31 |
| T_X | and maybe I can modify and reinsert that one via the BackupMenu, let's see | 03:32 |
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| Maxdamantus | the root "partition" is on ubi, not on a block device. | 03:58 |
| Maxdamantus | but even if it were on a block device, you'd want to be careful sharing it if it's mounted rw. | 03:58 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: there's a recovery image that might be useful. | 03:59 |
| T_X | Maxdamantus: careful not to break something? or careful publishing it? | 04:00 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 04:00 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: you can boot that kernel and initramfs in RAM, so you get to a shell without modifying the flash. | 04:01 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: then you can try mounting the root filesystem and chrooting into it and changing your password, etc | 04:01 |
| T_X | Maxdamantus: ah, awesome, that sounds great! thanks, will have a look at it | 04:02 |
| Maxdamantus | or changing your shell, as that sounds like the problem in your case. | 04:03 |
| T_X | totall different question: does anyone else having trouble to register on talk.maemo.org? | 04:04 |
| T_X | I'm always getting a "You have left a required field blank." even though I've made a tick to accept the forum rules | 04:05 |
| * Maxdamantus hasn't registered, so will try it. | 04:06 | |
| Maxdamantus | Mm. Happens here too. | 04:07 |
| Maxdamantus | It's before there are even any forms. Just a tickbox for the rules. | 04:07 |
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| Maxdamantus | on another note, is it possible to disable the menu that pops up in Maemo when you connect it to a computer using USB? | 04:13 |
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| Mike11 | DocScrutinizer05 , sorry for disturbing , are you there? | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 04:18 |
| Mike11 | lol :D , nice :) | 04:18 |
| Mike11 | a couple of days I wrote about my n900, which I put some paper instead of the spring fix | 04:18 |
| Mike11 | if you remember :) | 04:19 |
| T_X | Maxdamantus, merlin1991: hm, /bin/bash seems to exist in the rootfs. at least it's there in the tar archive made via BackupMenu | 04:19 |
| Mike11 | after putting the paper , the phone is able to read its IMEI | 04:19 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: is it a symlink? | 04:19 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: if it's a symlink, it might not be resolved. | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mike11: yes | 04:20 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: if not, the "not found" probably means a dynamically linked object is missing. | 04:20 |
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| Maxdamantus | T_X: if you have access to another shell (doesn't need to be root), try doing: ldd /bin/bash | 04:20 |
| Mike11 | but it cannot connect to the GSM network | 04:20 |
| Mike11 | sorry I was searching for the exact error message | 04:21 |
| T_X | Maxdamantus: it's not a symlink. file ./bin/bash -> ./bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, stripped | 04:21 |
| T_X | ok, will go hunting for a missign library then | 04:21 |
| Maxdamantus | you just need to run the command I said | 04:21 |
| Maxdamantus | if `ldd` refers to the correct ld-linux, it should list what libraries are missing. | 04:21 |
| Maxdamantus | and which are found. | 04:21 |
| Maxdamantus | if it refers to the wrong ld-linux, it'll probably say file not found again. | 04:22 |
| Mike11 | first of all when booting the phone up it says "Unable to establish network connection. Contact service" | 04:22 |
| Mike11 | if I go to settings->phone it freezes for a while then says "Cellular network not available" | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modem defect | 04:23 |
| Mike11 | it does not ask for the PIN when I put the SIM in it! | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since that's not a valid normal operation mode, the error messages are bogus | 04:24 |
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| Mike11 | my SIM is locked, and other phones ask for PIN | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modem defect | 04:24 |
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| Mike11 | sorry for my ignorance, is the modem responsible for reading the SIM too? | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 04:25 |
| Mike11 | can I try anything to fix this? something like the spring fix :p | 04:26 |
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| Mike11 | or is the only solution replacement? | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the spring fix is exactly the method that's trying to fix this | 04:26 |
| Mike11 | would you please correct me , and tell me what CMT is? | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some repair shop could *try* to reflow the modem chips | 04:27 |
| Mike11 | I thought it was CMT fault, because I was not able to reflash | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cellular modem trallallla | 04:28 |
| Mike11 | so now part of the modem is working and other parts do not? | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather "telephone" | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or "terminal" | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see much indication that *amy* part of modem works | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any even | 04:29 |
| Mike11 | if I try the fix again ie remove the paper and put them again , does that have any chance in fixing things up? | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a small one | 04:29 |
| Mike11 | mmmm, thanks a lot DocScrutinizer05 :D , and sorry for disturbing :) | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no problem, glad to help | 04:30 |
| T_X | Maxdamantus: readelf says, that bin/bash needs libncurses.so.5, libdl.so.2, libgcc_s.so.1 and libc.so.6. which all seem to be there in the rootfs backup | 04:31 |
| Mike11 | another thing is the spring fix thing just for trying to avoid reflowing the chip?? | 04:31 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: you should do it within the OS. | 04:31 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: the ldd command. | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mike11: yes | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mike11: but actually such mainboard has to be considered damaged beyond economic repair | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflow, springs, all just makeshift desperate efforts to use the modem a few months longer | 04:33 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: you could alternatively try extracting the tar then using qemu-user to chroot into it as you run the ldd command, on another computer. | 04:33 |
| Maxdamantus | (if the computer isn't already ARM) | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, reflow has a small chance to permamnently fix | 04:33 |
| Mike11 | good :) | 04:34 |
| Mike11 | is reflowing too dangerous on other chip components | 04:34 |
| Mike11 | ?? | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but an even higher chance to damage the board completely | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 04:34 |
| Mike11 | same question :) | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's quite difficult to do proper reflow that has chances to fix stuff and not break it | 04:35 |
| Mike11 | can spring fix damage the thing completely too? | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as a last effort it's maybe worth it when you can find a repair shop that's really good at SMD BGA reflow and not too expensive | 04:36 |
| Mike11 | I mean, can it be that I damaged my modem trying to fix it? | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spring fix shouldn't damage much | 04:36 |
| Mike11 | I don't think I can find such shops in my area :( | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't answer that question. Modem defects caused by PCB bending, usually by pressing keys on kbd too hard | 04:37 |
| Mike11 | If I found some shop , I would have to tell him what chips exactly to reflow | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PCB can get bent by a number of activities, incl some involved in repair | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 04:37 |
| Mike11 | I have put paper under the three squares on the main board | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the rapuyama chip. aka BB5, the one with a lobster on the printing | 04:38 |
| Mike11 | and the couldn't be closed firmly after the paper was there | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and its companion chip, next to it | 04:39 |
| Mike11 | so I closed the whole cover with that inside metal cover still open on two sides of the square | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that won't last for long | 04:40 |
| Mike11 | do you think I damaged the PCB? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the reason to use springs instead paper | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, I can't answer that question | 04:40 |
| Mike11 | can I put any piece of iron instead of springs? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather use some elastic rubber foam | 04:41 |
| Mike11 | sorry I misunderstand what springs are in my lang :p | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you know ballpen? | 04:42 |
| Mike11 | yes, the ones with a button to get the head in and out, right? | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you disassemble it, a spring will be found | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | made of thin elastic wire | 04:43 |
| Mike11 | is that the size of spring I should use? | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a short piece of it, yes | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~springfix | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues talk.maemo | 04:44 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'talk.maemo' by value (19 of 45): #maemo cal ;; #maemo hot ;; #maemo mirror ;; #maemo truecrypt ;; #maemo u-boot ;; #maemo vkbd-portrait ;; 0xffff ;; alopex ;; arch-n900 ;; boot-process ;; bq-calibrate ;; bupbat ;; cssu-devel ;; cssu-thumb ;; dual-scud ;; ereswap ;; fixribbon ;; googlesyncevolution ;; hen. | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues spring | 04:45 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'spring' by value (21 of 685): csnes9x ;; visor ;; zip 1129 ;; zip 17372 ;; zip 17843 ;; zip 27242 ;; zip 28578 ;; zip 33923 ;; zip 34489 ;; zip 44881 ;; zip 5156 ;; zip 53961 ;; zip 60558 ;; zip 62767 ;; zip 64014 ;; zip 65803 ;; zip 68778 ;; zip 70420 ;; zip 71913 ;; zip 73082 ;; zip 76885. | 04:45 |
| Mike11 | so a short piece of it, in the center of th?e IC ? | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys spring | 04:45 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'spring' by key (11 of 20): cmd: springer (.*?) ;; weathercode soda springs ;; weathercode rock springs ;; weathercode springfield ;; weathercode springbok ;; springtime ;; bruce springsteen bug ;; weathercode springdale ;; weathercode siloam springs ;; weathercode hot springs ;; weathercode springbank. | 04:45 |
| Mike11 | each IC?*** | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and fix it so it doesn't slip out of location | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | search tmo for springfix | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are some pictures afaik | 04:46 |
| Mike11 | I 'll do thanks , I saw some of them while putting the paper | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fixmodem | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fixcmt | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fixSIM | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tmo | 04:47 |
| infobot | i heard tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 04:47 |
| Mike11 | I have chosen paper because I didn't have the substance to fix it | 04:48 |
| Mike11 | I 'll buy some and try to fix , thanks again for the help :D | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53335&highlight=springs+modem | 04:48 |
| T_X | Maxdamantus: for qemu-arm, do you know whether there's a way to combine it with some chrooting? | 04:49 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: you might need to copy qemu-arm and the libraries it depends on into the chroot. | 04:50 |
| T_X | also "sudo qemu-arm ./usr/bin/ldd ./bin/bash" throws this error: Error while loading ./usr/bin/ldd: Exec format error | 04:50 |
| T_X | ah, it's a script, ldd | 04:51 |
| Maxdamantus | T_X: try: qemu-arm ./lib/ld-linux.so.3 ./bin/bash | 04:52 |
| Maxdamantus | though it's not going to try reading the correct libraries if it works. | 04:52 |
| Maxdamantus | can you not access a shell on the device at all? | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HERE WE ARE! \o/ | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 <-springfix | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mike11: ^^^ | 04:53 |
| T_X | Maxdamantus: currently, not that I know of | 04:54 |
| T_X | wait | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 | 04:54 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 04:54 |
| T_X | I think I just found the password in ./etc/passwd again, some random chars. I swear, for ssh I've always been using a different one | 04:55 |
| T_X | oh wait, that's probably the md5sum of it, hm | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the password in etc/passwd is a hash | 04:56 |
| Mike11 | cool DocScrutinizer05 , I followed http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 while doing the job last time, but replaced springs with paper :p | 04:57 |
| Mike11 | yes /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are hashes | 04:57 |
| Mike11 | they can be cracked with john | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shadow doesn't exist in maemo | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | T_X: try rootme | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, your shell in etc/passwd shouldn't be bash | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly not for user | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's antique ferry tale | 05:01 |
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| T_X | DocScrutinizer05: it's not rootme. john helped me to verify | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :) | 05:02 |
| T_X | it's the first 8 characters of the password i had chosen | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 05:02 |
| T_X | actually, that's always been bogging me. the password I had set was 10 characters long. and for ssh logins I was always able to use the first eight chars of it - | 05:03 |
| T_X | plus any other random characters appended :( | 05:03 |
| T_X | maybe the ssh-server in backupmenu isn't that nice, let me check | 05:03 |
| T_X | "nice" | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | man crypt | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | man 3 crypt|less +'/Traditional DES-based' | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Maximum password length | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8 (uses 7-bit characters) | 05:07 |
| T_X | so, now DocScrutinizer05 I don't have that in my man 3 crypt (Debian Sid) | 05:08 |
| T_X | -so now | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 05:09 |
| T_X | john was telling me though: Warning: MaxLen = 13 is too large for the current hash type, reduced to 8 | 05:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://stuff.onse.fi/man?program=crypt§ion=3 | 05:11 |
| T_X | anyways, I have the correct password for the root account. /bin/bash is set in passwd. /bin/bash exists | 05:12 |
| T_X | the root partition seems to be mounted, too, at least backupmenu can loads it's stuff from /usr/share/backupmenu | 05:13 |
| Maxdamantus | try something other than /bin/bash in the ssh command. | 05:13 |
| Maxdamantus | ssh root@foo /bin/sh | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you SHOULD NOT set /bin/bash as shell in /etc/passwd | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 05:13 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 05:13 |
| Maxdamantus | though I have a feeling that might just be run using the default shell. | 05:13 |
| T_X | hrm, still "permission denied" | 05:18 |
| T_X | with things like "ssh root@192.168.2.15 /bin/bash" or "ssh root@192.168.2.15 /bin/lsmod" | 05:18 |
| Maxdamantus | wait, permission denied now? | 05:19 |
| T_X | or /bin/sh (which is a symlink to busybox | 05:19 |
| T_X | yep, permission denied | 05:19 |
| Maxdamantus | that probably means the executable bit isn't set. | 05:19 |
| Maxdamantus | but .. how would you have booted the system? | 05:20 |
| T_X | the executable bit is set for /bin/bash | 05:20 |
| T_X | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 599K Jan 11 2010 ./bin/bash | 05:20 |
| T_X | does backupmenu use some alternative sshd_config maybe? | 05:22 |
| T_X | which might have a "PermitRootLogin no"? | 05:22 |
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| The_Medji | hey | 05:42 |
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| hxka | Backupmenu copies some files into tmpfs and chroots into it | 09:11 |
| hxka | So it doesn't have "/bin/bash" | 09:13 |
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| int_ua | Where is that f***ing osso-backup stores the backups? | 10:00 |
| hxka | In MyDocs | 10:02 |
| Apic | Or on the microSD | 10:02 |
| Apic | You can select that AFAIR | 10:02 |
| int_ua | where exactly& | 10:02 |
| int_ua | ? | 10:02 |
| hxka | In the "backups" subdirectory | 10:02 |
| int_ua | no | 10:03 |
| int_ua | nothing in here | 10:03 |
| hxka | http://i.imgur.com/ENCHJa8.png | 10:03 |
| int_ua | both in MyDocs and /media/mmc1 | 10:03 |
| hxka | :( | 10:03 |
| int_ua | oh | 10:04 |
| int_ua | yeah | 10:04 |
| int_ua | it's here, thanks a lot | 10:04 |
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| solofight | hello guys, i was earlier adviced here to update my kernel ... [00:53:19] <solofight> whats the package name that i need to look for in the application manager [00:53:20] <solofight> ? [00:54:00] <DocScrutinizer05> Kernel for powerusers | 10:55 |
| solofight | when i search for 'Kernel for powe" in HAM, it gives me 3 options... Linux kernel for power user - with description "Linux kernel updater(kernel power 2.6.28.10)... other two with the same name but one says (boot image for u-boot) and another says (settings and overclock) | 10:57 |
| solofight | which one should i install ? | 10:57 |
| solofight | without breaking my system like last time (where i installed the power kernel and my phone almost got bricked :P) | 10:57 |
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| Sicelo | install the other 2, except u-boot one.. | 11:20 |
| Sicelo | you can leave the settings unchanged | 11:20 |
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| alien2003 | Can somebody help me to compile this for Nokia N900? https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks/ | 14:31 |
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