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silviof1Vrm: sorry - try it with other words, or use automatic things like vagrant-n900-sdk or a virtual image of sdk00:38
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infobotnokiabinaries is, like, at
Ashley`infobot: thanks02:32
infobotno problem, Ashley`02:32
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honestlyjapa-fi: man, that download site sure looks trustworthy02:57
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DocScrutinizer05honestly: see06:39
infobotfrom memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see (or )06:39
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hxkaDocScrutinizer05: it's combined image, not emmc, which he wants07:22
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Luke-Jrwhy do these Maemo election emails not have a Date header? -.-07:50
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DocScrutinizer05hxka: ooh07:52
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: sorry?07:52
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: I just noticed them when I was accidentally scrolled to the "before all dated emails" end of my email list :P07:59
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe you should clean out your email once a year08:01
japa-fihonestly, I didn't even know the amount of popup crap it spews as I use adblock with firefox. Anyway, aside from the ads, it's trustworthy. You get what you pay for. It's free.08:02
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japa-fihonestly, and the file: I uploaded it for you yesterday.08:02
japa-fihonestly, I can try dcc or some other means of delivery to send it to you if required.08:03
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japa-fihxka, if you can provide an actual .torrent file, I can also seed the file08:19
hxkaM-m, I haven't created any08:20
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: that'd take forever08:20
japa-fiI have a buggy version of transmission client on my NAS, it doesn't cope well with magnets..08:20
Luke-Jrmy inbox alone has 33k unread out of 51k total08:20
japa-fifrack, some port apparently closed as I was unable to receive the file08:26
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: delete it08:29
japa-fihxka, thanks, got it.08:30
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: haha, maybe someday08:31
japa-fi(and yes, it was my misconfigured NAT that killed the DCC)08:31
japa-finow seeding the file..08:31
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: I know exactly what you're talking about, I had almost same (just number of read mails been 10 times as high), I tell you it's useless masochism and torture08:32
hxkainfobot: emms is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or
infobothxka: okay08:33
DocScrutinizer05emms? really?08:37
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0508:37
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* Maxdamantus wonders if there's some official HFOV or something for the camera on the N900.10:00
* Maxdamantus calculated it to be about 55.58 on paper, which seems to work alright with a panorama I made.10:00
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Maxdamantusseems slightly off though.10:01
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hxkaLaughed at 'Alternative OS'11:08
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DocScrutinizer05 funny picture, funny rationale given, really funny creative use of the term >>extraordinary battery life<<11:58
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DocScrutinizer05and I'm already pondering to put all pages with silly "this site is usong cookies" notifiers on my personal blacklist. Particularly when they are so stupid they don't vanish even when they detect cookies being blocked and OTOH have no close button12:01
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DocScrutinizer05  where the heck is the "I don't agree" button?!12:03
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: heh12:05
jon_yI think its the close window button12:05
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honestlyjapa-fi: oh no, I'm fine (:12:51
honestlyjapa-fi: could you verify the sha256sum for me?12:52
honestlybe0a1c9fde0ccc281ef5337fdb31ea35332d32a51b40200fbff63803dc7fb5f0  RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin12:52
japa-fibe0a1c9fde0ccc281ef5337fdb31ea35332d32a51b40200fbff63803dc7fb5f0  RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin12:55
japa-filooks the same to me12:55
japa-fifyi: I opted for fichier some years ago when looking for a sharing service which allow ftp uploads, has suitable amount of space available etc. and is of free cost.12:57
japa-fiI've always used adblock so it was kind of surprise to see the site at some point without adblock. "My eyes!!! AAAArrrhh, I'm blind" :)12:58
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keriomeh, puush ftw13:49
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honestlyoh this is great. leaving the battery in the n900 for four days was apparently a really bad idea.15:29
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Guest906does not charge anymore?15:56
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DocScrutinizer05neither is leaving battery in device for days or weeks a particularly bad or unusual idea, nor will it stop charging even when you depleted the battery completely by running the device for up to 10 days (my record, with WLAN active)16:18
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ChiaSmurfalthough when i left my h2200 batteries on charger for a year, as a clock, they both expanded and messed up17:04
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hxka> three = 117:20
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DocScrutinizer05ChiaSmurf: err, yeah. And when you leave a AAA in your flashlight and switch it on, then after a year the battery leaks18:52
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honestlyfully flashed my n900... booting now... let's see if it manages to boot20:06
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honestlymy n900 is back from the dead20:07
honestlymany thanks to everyone who helped :D20:07
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DocScrutinizer05you flashed your N900 becuase battery was empty? Or you left battery inside a N900 that doesn't boot and thus also doesn't shut down correctly? either way sounds odd20:23
DocScrutinizer05and I wonder how you managed to flasg when battery been empty20:23
DocScrutinizer05flash, even20:23
DocScrutinizer05or what's been the meaning of [2014-02-21 14:29:42] <honestly> oh this is great. leaving the battery in the n900 for four days was apparently a really bad idea.20:24
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honestlyDocScrutinizer05: I got really, really lucky20:25
honestlyI had a spare battery that for some reason still had charge in it20:25
DocScrutinizer05or really really confused ;-)20:25
DocScrutinizer05aaaah! :-D20:26
honestlyno, I had to reflash the phone because it had the "stuck at flashing lights" problem20:26
honestlyI had fully charged the battery in preparation for reflashing20:28
honestlybut then I didn't have the vanilla image20:28
honestlyand it took a few days to get it20:28
honestlyor rather I was busy for a few days20:28
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ChiaSmurfyea , DocScrutinizer05 , but the difference between the flashlight and my h2200 was i had it sitting on the cradle charging both batteries20:59
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DocScrutinizer05well, I have no idea what's a h2200. But evidently it's crap that kills batteries thanks to abysmally poor charger design21:11
DocScrutinizer05my "t900" is sitting here 24/7 on since ~3 or 4 years now, on charger, with battery. and the battery is still like new21:13
DocScrutinizer05hmm, for some reason I booted it21:14
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# uptime21:14
DocScrutinizer05 20:14    10 Tage 11:08 an,  0 Benutzer,  Durchschnittslast: 0,00, 0,00, 0,0021:14
DocScrutinizer05not much better, but...21:15
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# uptime21:15
DocScrutinizer05 20:22:35 up 40 days, 23:29, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0021:15
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DocScrutinizer05aaaah, I think syslog clogged rootfs21:16
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ChiaSmurfipaq h2200, old pocketpc21:19
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ChiaSmurfjust saying there is a limit to how long you can leave a battery in a device21:20
DocScrutinizer05no there isn't21:21
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DocScrutinizer05not immanently, only when device is crap21:21
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DocScrutinizer05well, incorrect. There for sure is a limit. Like maybe 30 years or somesuch21:23
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DocScrutinizer05depends a bit on quality of the LiIon cell (unless we talk about all arbitrary types of batteries here)21:24
DocScrutinizer05for a zinc-carbon battery it's around 3 years, for alkaline around 1021:24
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ChiaSmurfwell, im not an electrical engineer, so ok, maybe my power is poor quality21:25
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, can't parse that21:26
DocScrutinizer05your power?21:26
ChiaSmurfmy house power21:26
DocScrutinizer05that's usually quite unrelated21:27
DocScrutinizer05again, unlesss your charger is crap21:27
ChiaSmurfwhich could be crap because of my crappy house power21:27
DocScrutinizer05or your electric power is really really messed up, with blackouts every other day21:27
ChiaSmurfno blackouts, but i hear a trranformer pop about once a month in my neighborhood21:28
ChiaSmurfand of couse a blackout when its the one on my road21:28
DocScrutinizer05generally a really good LiIon charger should keep the cell floating at slightly reduced voltage, and cells survive this for years21:29
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DocScrutinizer05chargers with lower quality charge and keep floating the cell at max voltage, which isn't as healthy to cells but should still work for more than a year21:31
ChiaSmurfon an unrelated topic, the built in chip rom/ram/thingy, i forgot whats it called, what the rootfs is on, do you know its speed? i tried googling, but i cant find anything21:32
DocScrutinizer05usually chargers do trickle charge at max voltage though, with a cycle time of several minutes to maybe even hours, and that's what the charger in my t900 does, since it's running PR1.2 still21:33
ChiaSmurfi thought id get the fastest sd i could get in it and follow the guide for moving the rootfs to it21:33
DocScrutinizer05it's NAND21:33
ChiaSmurfon the n90021:34
DocScrutinizer05and it's usually better than uSD storage21:34
DocScrutinizer05anyway, for speed-up it's useless to move rootfs from NAND to uSD or eMMC21:35
ChiaSmurfi wasnt looking more for convience than speed up21:35
DocScrutinizer05what makes a hell of a difference is moving swap fron eMMC to a fast uSD21:35
ChiaSmurf90mbps is about the fastest an sd will do in a n900?21:35
DocScrutinizer05how, having rootfs on MMC more convenient than NAND?21:36
ChiaSmurfwont run out of room21:36
DocScrutinizer05you're not supposed to ever run out of space on rootfs. That's why we got optification and /home/opt and /home/user21:37
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ChiaSmurfyea, and those seem rather inconvient21:37
DocScrutinizer05(unless you're running syslog in /var/log/, like I do ;-P )21:37
DocScrutinizer05I promise, you'll feel less convenient with de-optifying everything21:38
DocScrutinizer05and with moving rootfs to a strange location21:39
DocScrutinizer05anyway unless you understand that, you better shouldn't try to mess with rootfs location21:40
DocScrutinizer05it's not exactly trivial21:40
DocScrutinizer05actually it's even almost impossible to get rid of a working rootfs on NAND and still make the device boot21:41
ChiaSmurfi could just leave that as an rescue system tho?21:41
DocScrutinizer05you'll at very least need a uBoot with kernel on NAND rootfs21:42
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DocScrutinizer05well, you could, but it won't earn you any little bit of convenience21:42
ChiaSmurfwell id like to install slackware arm on it eventually21:43
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DocScrutinizer05instead you're running into trouble again and again. Every singkle time you reflash, you have to do all the setup again. Updates won't work as usual, several tools don't work as expected, even installation of packages may not work as expected21:44
ChiaSmurfwell id hope i dont have to reflash often21:45
DocScrutinizer05you can't simply install another arbitrary distro to the device, as main/sole OS21:46
ChiaSmurfi know everything wont work21:46
ChiaSmurfi see arch works mostly21:47
DocScrutinizer05ohwell, good luck21:47
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raijinanyone active?23:40
raijini really really want to get quassel2go working23:40
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merlin1991where's the problem?23:47

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