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infobotjrtools is, like,
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zGrrmoin :)11:05
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ApicA splendid wonderful good Setting Orange Morning (UGT).15:44
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* freemangordon finally migrated his desktop to linux18:24
sixwheeledbeastwell no looking back now.18:33
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sixwheeledbeaststupid thing.18:39
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: I was postponing that for much too long18:42
freemangordonbut when I got 3 reboots per hour OOB...18:42
sixwheeledbeastHave you used any new HW apart from the PSU?18:43
freemangordoneverything is new but the case and (most of) the disks18:43
sixwheeledbeastanything interesting?18:43
freemangordonit took me a while to setup nvidia binary driver to start 2 screens :D18:44
freemangordonotherwise pretty good setup IMO -4 i5 cores, 16G RAM, ~3.5 TB disk space18:44
sixwheeledbeastwell that should do for a while.18:46
freemangordonoh, a really strange thing -18:47
freemangordonI setup VM to use my old XP installation as a phisical disk, (to ease my migration). What makes me nuts is mozilla and thundrbird - both hag in some 10-20 seconds18:48
freemangordonor rather - does not repaint the contents, I need to switch the focus to have the page rendered18:48
freemangordonthis is really weird18:49
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sixwheeledbeastcan't say I have come across that. I use a VM on Ubuntu for my Maemo SDK. I you talking about firefox/tbird in the VM?18:53
sixwheeledbeasts/I you/Are you/18:54
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: can't say I have come across that. I use a VM on Ubuntu for my Maemo SDK. Are you talking about firefox/tbird in the VM?18:54
freemangordonbut it is something broken in my old XP installation, as I did a clean XP install on another partition and FF doesn't have that problem there18:54
freemangordonbut anyway I CBA to fix that18:54
freemangordonthough everything else works, so it is deffinitely a bug in gecko18:55
sixwheeledbeastWell not worth spending effort to fix, if you migrate everything.18:56
sixwheeledbeastI use Iceweasel in the VM to lighten the load, do most of my browsing in Ubuntu with FF.18:59
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DocScrutinizer05DNS not reachable, or a 404 on some hidden "service" often can cause such annoying stalls in browsers19:01
DocScrutinizer05e.g when you primary DNS server IP doesn't respond and eventually resolver/whatever has to fall back to 2nd/3rd DNS IP19:02
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wireshark told me there is no activity19:04
freemangordonand once stalled only restart fixes it19:05
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amospallaI managed to install cssu9 over cssu-thumb819:52
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sixwheeledbeasteh? T9.1+thumb0 is available now AFAIK.19:53
amospallaright, and I saw it as upgrade, and I thought I was updating to thumb, but dunno how I got non-thumb installed.19:53
amospallaapplications manager does not recognize thumb as an update, is it safe to manually installing it with apt-get?19:54
amospallaI've always read, important updates should always be done through applications manger.19:54
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sixwheeledbeastALL package management should be done through HAM20:02
sixwheeledbeastcheck catalogues to make sure thumb is there20:02
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amospallathese are set20:12
amospallamaybe on next thumb version, I can go back to it :/20:13
amospallait appeared now :)20:19
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DocScrutinizer05basically CSSU-T and CSSU-thumb are cross-compatible, as long as you got the thumbified kernel20:25
DocScrutinizer05nothing wrong in installing a non-thumb package version over an older thumbified version of same package. It's a simple normal update20:26
amospallaDocScrutinizer05: thank you for that info, is good to know.20:26
DocScrutinizer05just your newer version, when not thumbified will be a tad larger and possibly slower, but then it's also newer and possibly some bugs fixed20:27
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DocScrutinizer05when same version rolls out of cssu-thumb hangar's door, you will easily update to thumb version again20:28
DocScrutinizer05per definition equivalent versions between cssu-thumb and cssu-testing are supposed to be 100% compatible20:29
DocScrutinizer05except for disk space needed for installation20:29
amospallanice, so I don't need to wait to thumb version of a package, if there is an update, and I would like to test it.20:29
DocScrutinizer05nope, not really20:30
DocScrutinizer05I actually suggest you better install any cssu-test update particularly when it's a critical or security related update20:30
DocScrutinizer05it's not like cssu-T update should or would roll back *all* of your cssu-thumb binaries to a non-thumb version. It's usually only 1 or maybe a very low 1digit number of packages that got upgraded in a new CSSU-T release20:31
DocScrutinizer05and aiui only those will override any CSSU-Thumb packages of same name on your system - if any such packages actually exist20:32
DocScrutinizer05in short, CSSU-T and CSSU-Thumb are not mutually exclusive but rather complementary20:33
DocScrutinizer05ideally cssu-thumb repo has a slightly higher priority than cssu-t repo, so packages with identical version-number should update from thumb20:35
DocScrutinizer05depending on behaviour of apt and HAM I guess automatic update from cssu-t to *-thumb might fail when version-number in cssu-thumb isn't higher than the identical version in *-t20:36
DocScrutinizer05in that case I guess reverting to apt-get and force-installing/reinstalling the metapackage from cssu-thumb will do20:37
amospallamhh.. it seems to have installed correctly20:37
amospallawell, n900 rebooted, and told me it had upgrade the system, nothing related to errors.20:38
DocScrutinizer05I honestly hope freemangordon is tagging all thumb binaries in a unique way20:38
DocScrutinizer05so users have a way to tell them apart from their non-thumbified twins20:38
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you do?20:40
SAiFI dont even look what gets installed. what evere comes up as an update, I just give it a go..20:40
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* DocScrutinizer05 thinks of a small string addition to --help or --version output, or for binaries that don't have this, just include a ascii string const that doesn't get optimized out by compiler/linker20:41
SAiFand hope it wont cause any harm.20:43
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if just *maybe* every thumb binary could link against a lib that checks for presence of a unique property of /sys or /proc or whatever that signals that kernel is supporting thumb, and simply quits with throwing error when not20:43
DocScrutinizer05this way you could make sure any problems from tumb running on a non-thumb system can get caught in very early stage, not at random occasion much later via segfault20:44
DocScrutinizer05and you could easily tell apart thumb binaries from armel binaries20:45
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sixwheeledbeastthumb versions have there own +thumbX package name20:45
DocScrutinizer05does the binary know about own package name?20:46
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sixwheeledbeastNot sure fmg will know.20:46
DocScrutinizer05hmm? fmg doesn't know abiut own package name? ;-)20:47
sixwheeledbeasthe's obviously busy tweaking his new buntu machine20:48
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no, thumb binaries don't know they are thumb21:35
DocScrutinizer05++ #include fmglib21:38
DocScrutinizer05++ assert(fmgSysIsThumb; "Sorry, your system doesn't support thumb binaries")21:38
freemangordonwell, IMO LD_PRELOAD is a better way21:41
freemangordonhooking to malloc() for example21:41
DocScrutinizer05and how do you ldpreload for every damn thumb binary on your system?21:42
freemangordonSIGILL could happen before that assert() is called21:42
DocScrutinizer05and NOT for the non-thumb binaries?21:42
freemangordonin /etc/profile21:42
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DocScrutinizer05I'm absolutely fine with SIGILL happening before assert reached. I'm not fine with it happening any random time later on21:45
DocScrutinizer05the whole purpose of this assert is to make sure the binary dies whatever cruel death the very second it got started21:46
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