IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2014-01-09

DocScrutinizer05for time as well as roaming and other stuff00:00
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freemangordonso, if someone writes what? fcc/ru? then it should fallback to RU when no info available00:00
t3st3rokay, but then there is  bunch of APs sending RU in beacons.00:00
freemangordonbut I am not bold enough to test that00:00
DocScrutinizer05definitely not fcc/ru, no such thing00:01
freemangordont3st3r: did you read the bug report?00:01
DocScrutinizer05see your own code ;-)00:01
freemangordonwell, etsi?00:01
t3st3rfreemangordon> I'm did and now I'm reading comments...00:01
DocScrutinizer05etsi, yep, guess so00:01
freemangordonyeah, the comments00:01
DocScrutinizer05OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL is an env?00:01
freemangordonno00:01
freemangordonosso-product-info00:02
DocScrutinizer05OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us'  grrr00:02
freemangordonthanks to almighty fmg we have it REed :P00:03
freemangordonhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-product-info/source/bd52864557b076d5918f8e1bf2e494d4f331bf96:libossoproductinfo.c00:03
DocScrutinizer05OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD='German' double-bold-GRRRR00:03
DocScrutinizer05OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Germany'00:04
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I start to get a nervous breakdown, primarily thanks to openmoko.org MX SMTP/TLS broken00:05
DocScrutinizer05or not00:05
freemangordonok, it checks if we are in SB first, if not, it asks com.nokia.SystemInfo, if that fails it looks in CAL00:06
DocScrutinizer05or no more compatible to my system, both kmail and thunderbird00:06
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/wlan-channel00:08
DocScrutinizer05fcc/us00:08
freemangordonyep, it is not in CAL00:12
DocScrutinizer05sw-release-ver00:13
DocScrutinizer05RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.ENOS-NO-CELMO00:13
DocScrutinizer05;-P00:13
DocScrutinizer05CAL00:13
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DocScrutinizer05kernel-ver00:14
DocScrutinizer05MD2.6.28-20093204eno3+0m500:14
freemangordonwhere did you get that device from?00:14
DocScrutinizer05sw-release-ver00:14
DocScrutinizer05RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.37-7_ENOS_MR000:14
DocScrutinizer05devel device00:14
freemangordonyeah00:14
FIQhi00:15
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freemangordonanyway, I am off, night00:15
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DocScrutinizer05o/00:15
FIQhow come when I try to make sensible error messages (i.e. not swedish error output) by using LANG=C (insertstuffhere), N900 responds with not changing the locale at all, *but* happily screwing up åäö (probably because of utf8 fail)00:16
FIQis there a "right" way to do this on the N900?00:16
FIQi.e. run a command in another language without changing the entire OS' lang00:17
wndyou may want to try setting LC_CTYPE00:18
wndI usually set LC_ALL, LANG and LANGUAGE when I need to temporarily use locale other than the default00:19
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wndof course, that's on desktop00:20
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FIQon desktop, all I do is type LANG=C (whatever)00:32
FIQwhich works flawlessy00:33
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amospallais thumb 9.1 released?, I think it is, but it does not appear as an update on my n900.00:44
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sixwheeledbeastamospalla: yes01:11
MrPingubut without meta-package it seems?01:14
sixwheeledbeastI installed it no problem IIRC released 2014010101:20
MrPinguhmmm?01:20
MrPinguI doesn't show up here01:20
MrPingubut slow HAM is still doing its thing01:20
sixwheeledbeasthave you installed it?01:20
MrPinguNo, I have testing 9.1 because fmtx problems01:21
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sixwheeledbeastoh sorry01:22
MrPingubut I don't get the meta-package update but all separate updates show for thumb01:22
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sixwheeledbeastoh ... my bad thumb hasn't been released yet, miss read "testing/thumb"01:23
sixwheeledbeastI doubt there is much need it's only rolling back the fmtx package AFAIK01:24
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MrPinguYes, and it still sucks that US devices have borked fmtx01:28
MrPinguOh and if you need a nice font for xterm, I think anonymous is really awesome01:31
MrPinguAnd I am going for some sleep, night01:33
sixwheeledbeastme to night o/01:33
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amospallathank you  guys01:48
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* FIQ uses dejavu sans mono in the terminal and xchat03:06
FIQalways liked that font03:06
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FIQused to use MHei(whatever)03:07
FIQand droid sans mono03:07
FIQat some different points03:07
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SAiFDocScrutinizer05, I just found your yesterday nights reply. thanks05:35
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solofighthello people - i have asked this already but this time with more clarity... Is it possible to make my n900 as a access/swipe card to open doors ?08:03
solofighti would like to replace my access card to office with n90008:03
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ecc3gusually.. no.  making another device as an access device is the equivalent of duplicating a key, and that's exactly what they don't want people doing...  that being said if you understand the access system enough, anything's possible...08:19
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t3st3rbtw, lats time I've attempted Thumb version of CSSU, it borked Fcam drivers. Is it fixed now?09:55
freemangordonno, and I guess it is a WONTFIX09:56
t3st3rhmm? why?09:56
t3st3rthis warrants I would stay miles away from that thumb stuff then :\09:57
freemangordonbecause the problem is woth fcam kernel module09:57
freemangordon*with09:57
t3st3rwhat's wrong with this module? oO09:57
freemangordont3st3r: in extras-devel there is such module which is compatible with both KP and cssu-thumb09:57
t3st3rwhat is KP? Power Kernel?09:58
freemangordont3st3r: it refuses to load (or similar) on not-omap1 kernel09:58
freemangordonyes09:58
t3st3r[11:58:27] <freemangordon> t3st3r: it refuses to load (or similar) on not-omap1 kernel <- so it does some checks?09:58
freemangordonNFC what it does09:58
freemangordonbut I doubt09:58
freemangordonit checks for the kernel version09:59
freemangordont3st3r: wht you can try - install KP52, install fcam drivers from extras-devel09:59
freemangordonat that point your camera should be fine09:59
freemangordonif it is fine, install cssu-thumb10:00
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t3st3rWhat - NFC?10:07
t3st3r[11:59:53] <freemangordon> t3st3r: wht you can try - install KP52, install fcam drivers from extras-devel <- hmm, is it compatible with thumb?10:07
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FIQnfc=no * clue10:10
sixwheeledbeastsolofight: not easily and not natively either, but it is possible to make an object (N900) into a access card.10:11
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solofightsixwheeledbeast: make n900 into a access card ? thats exactly what i want to do10:22
solofightsixwheeledbeast: ideas please10:22
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solofightecc3g: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question662.htm correct place ?10:28
solofightto understand it better ?10:28
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SatorinHello everyone, would anyone mind helping me out? I just received my (secondhand) N900 in the mail. The battery seems fully empty, and when I supply power (over wall plug) it first charges autonomously for a minute or two (non-flashing orange LED), then boots up (bright Nokia screen, flashing orange LED), stays on the Nokia screen for a few seconds (about 10; screen darkens afterwards), and after about half a minute crashes (no LED at all) - only to14:55
Satorin reboot shortly after (bright Nokia screen again, LED flashes again), it stays in this state for 10 seconds or so, then turns off (no LED again), stays off for ~20 seconds, then starts in autonomous mode again (non-blinking LED). This pretty much repeats forever (or well, I've seen it happen ~5 times now).14:55
SatorinI assume this is the dreaded bootloop?14:55
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SatorinI found this: http://web.fournier.nl/2012/07/nokia-n900-charging-depleted-battery.html -- is it worth trying?14:55
SatorinOr is there a way I can just prevent the device from leaving autonomous-mode charging? I wanted to reflash it anyways, but it needs a charged battery for me to do so.14:56
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ShadowJKi don't know of a way to prvent it from leaving autonomous15:01
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SatorinI probably need an external charger or another phone then.15:07
SatorinIt's tempting to try the trick I linked to, but I don't want to risk bricking my 'new' phone.15:08
ShadowJKIf it's boot looping it's already what people call "bricked"15:08
SatorinYou can still reflash a bootlooping device, right?15:09
SatorinCan I charge the device while in 'reflashing mode' (having pressed U and all that)?15:10
ShadowJKno15:10
ShadowJKor, "probably not"15:10
SatorinI'm not even 100% sure it's actually "bootlooping", some users on the Maemo-forums suggest it's an issue with power drain spiking on boot and the phone switching back to autonomous mode.15:12
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SatorinI guess I'll try the rescue image in this case, will report back.15:14
ShadowJKI get a new battery every year or so, they wear out kinda fast15:15
SatorinGuess it might be a worn-out battery that's to blame.15:18
SatorinBack in a bit, rebooting my PC to allow loading unsigned drivers.15:24
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SAiF ~flatbatrecover15:35
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.15:35
SAiFSatorin, ^^ I guess15:35
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SatorinThank you SAiF! I'll try that first.15:51
Satorin ~bootloop15:54
infobotbootloop is, like, when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.15:54
SatorinOkay, will first wait 30 minutes to try flatbatrecover, if that fails I'll go the rescueos route!15:54
DocScrutinizer05Satorin: the "trick" is pretty sane, it's a proven rescueOS based battery charging it seems, after cursory look. No way you could do additional damage by that15:56
DocScrutinizer05flatbatrecover won't help15:57
DocScrutinizer05watching the device bootlooping for 30 min doesn't help either15:57
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SatorinSeems you're right, trying rescueos flash now.16:13
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FIQthe thing Satorin describes also happened for me under any kind of KP16:18
FIQjust saying16:18
SatorinOkay, I connected to the PC as per instructions, but it's not flashing (reports as "(Storage mode)", and yes, I am keeping 'u' pressed on connect). Strange thing is: The orange LED /does/ flash now, indicating a charging state.16:18
SatorinI only got it in the mail today, no clue what's on it16:19
FIQi.e. if charging when device was off, it would proceed to boot, show nokia logo, minor delay, then crash and reboot, ad infinitum16:19
FIQallthough you should probably reflash regardless16:19
FIQso that it's clean16:19
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FIQnot saying the device is running KP16:20
FIQbut rebootloop during charging doesn't necessarily mean dead device is what I'm saying16:20
DocScrutinizer05when amber led flashing: KEEP it!16:21
DocScrutinizer05let it charge16:21
DocScrutinizer05don't change anything!16:21
SatorinI will!16:22
DocScrutinizer05until battery full, and then an hour on top16:22
SatorinIt charges from USB now, or so it seems... Wall-plug gave issues.16:22
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DocScrutinizer05only then go do a full reflash16:22
DocScrutinizer05is that the original nokia wallcharger plug?16:22
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DocScrutinizer05(not that I haven't seen issues with Nokia charger too)16:23
DocScrutinizer05but a 3rd party wallcharger may be incompatible by design16:23
SatorinNo, it has equal power specs though.16:23
SatorinWell, I'm happy with the blinking LED now. ^^'16:23
DocScrutinizer05that doesn't say much16:23
DocScrutinizer053rd party chargers often miss the mandatory D+/- line short16:24
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DocScrutinizer05resulting in charging failing16:24
SatorinThat sounds like it might be the issue...16:25
DocScrutinizer05yep16:25
DocScrutinizer05problem solved16:25
DocScrutinizer05:-)16:25
SatorinIt boots over usb, too.16:25
DocScrutinizer05yes, blinking amber basically means it *has* booted16:28
SatorinI'm actually in the OS now! Time to let it charge before doing a reflash. Thanks!16:29
DocScrutinizer05there's a mode called "ACT_DEAD" that pretends the device is off and only charging, but in fact the linux is fully booted up and just on a different ->runlevel16:29
SatorinAh! I see how that works now...16:30
DocScrutinizer05:-)16:30
DocScrutinizer05oh, and welcome to the club! :-)16:31
SatorinOh wow, the seller sure didn't reflash it... I'm getting emails.16:31
SatorinThanks a lot!16:31
DocScrutinizer05LOL!!!!16:31
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DocScrutinizer05you should "switch off" again, I.E. enter act_dead, it is charging waay faster since no WLAN, display and other stuff eats power the battery needs for charging16:32
SatorinI will, thanks for the suggestion. ^^16:33
DocScrutinizer05worst case the system can eat more power than the USB can provide, effectively DIScharging the battery16:33
DocScrutinizer05sometimes the system tells you about that problem with a yellow notifier saying "insufficient power" OWTTE16:34
DocScrutinizer05sometimes not16:34
SatorinMhm, well, I've turned it off now.16:35
Satorin14 unread mails, the old owner seems to be a sysadmin. Darn, it really deserves a reflash.16:35
SatorinI'll wait 'till the LED turns green.16:35
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DocScrutinizer05you're aware of16:38
DocScrutinizer05+flashing16:38
DocScrutinizer05~flashing16:38
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware16:38
DocScrutinizer05?16:38
SatorinI read through it!16:38
SatorinSeems doable.16:38
SatorinI'm looking to install CSSU-Testing (Thumb).16:38
DocScrutinizer05the most concise and precise description is at the end, under "troubleshooting". However please read the *complete* page first16:39
DocScrutinizer05and please first make friend with the default/standard system, not going to install lots of stuff, especially not CSSU and/or stuff from extras-devel repos16:40
DocScrutinizer05then after a week or so come back here asking for the leet stuff ;-)16:40
DocScrutinizer05there are a few pitfalls, stuff you should steer clear from16:40
SatorinThat sounds like some solid advice.16:41
SatorinThe wiki is awesome!16:41
DocScrutinizer05and a few annoying little bumps in the road that are easily avoided or handled with a word of help from an experienced user16:41
DocScrutinizer05and probably the very first thing you should install is16:43
DocScrutinizer05+bm16:43
DocScrutinizer05dang!!16:43
DocScrutinizer05~bm16:43
infobotfrom memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6397516:43
DocScrutinizer05then cpu load applet and simple brightness applet16:43
SatorinBackupmenu seems like a must-have indeed. :P16:44
DocScrutinizer05what's your level of expertise re general linux?16:44
DocScrutinizer05shell?16:44
DocScrutinizer05when you're a shell tinkerer, then this might be a nice starting point, after a few days of learning to know stock maemo:16:46
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools16:46
infobotit has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools16:47
SatorinI'd say very familiar.16:47
* Satorin takes a look.16:47
DocScrutinizer05when you are not familiar and friend with shell, then don't even bother reading that16:47
DocScrutinizer05oh, and: maemo is NOT debian, particularly when it comes to apt and dpkg and package management at alrge16:48
DocScrutinizer05large*16:49
DocScrutinizer05do *not* use apt/dpkg until you understand the differences between maemo and a "normal" debian system16:49
DocScrutinizer05inside hint: the dependencies in maemo repositories are mostly fubar16:50
SatorinI'll have to look into the differences concerning apt-get indeed, as I'm very used to the Debian way.16:50
DocScrutinizer05whole maemo fremantle is basically one large metapackage16:51
SatorinSome neat info on the jrtools wiki page!16:51
DocScrutinizer05thanks16:51
DocScrutinizer05~mp16:52
infobotsomebody said mp was Northern Mariana Islands16:52
DocScrutinizer05meh16:52
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo mp16:53
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo mp' by key returned no results.16:53
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo16:53
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo' by key (16 of 72): #maemo awesome-keymap ;; #maemo bootloop ;; #maemo cal ;; #maemo cmtfix ;; #maemo db ;; #maemo debhelper7 ;; #maemo expired-key ;; #maemo flopswap ;; #maemo getversion ;; #maemo hamvsfam ;; #maemo mirrors ;; #maemo must ;; #maemo mustn't ;; #maemo oh ;; #maemo omp ;; #maemo pkgs.16:53
SatorinLooking forward to tinker with all that stuff.16:53
* Satorin stares at the blinking LED.16:53
DocScrutinizer05:-D16:54
DocScrutinizer05*maybe* you want to install BM and do a backup of the current system, just in case. Before you're going to flash the device16:55
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hxkaHello, what is the "open source bme replacement" I'm hearing about?18:22
freemangordonhxka: hmm?18:23
hxkaIs it the bq27x00_battery module?18:23
freemangordonno18:23
freemangordonit is battery module+charger module+rx51_battery module+isp1704 module+hal addon+libbmeipc+the applet :)18:24
freemangordonhxka: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement18:25
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hxkaOh, thanks18:27
hxkaWhat do I need to do to use it besides "stop bme; modprobe bq27x00_battery bq2415x_charger rx51_battery"?18:30
freemangordonhxka: this is *replacement* ;)18:30
hxkaUm18:31
peetahanyone managed to set up a NFSv4 mount with rpcbind and idmapd ? rpcbind does not seem to be packaged yet, but there may be a good reason for that. Anyone with more information about it ?18:31
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freemangordonhxka: pull the source code from gitorious, dpkg-buildpackage it and install it18:31
freemangordonhxka: kerneel modules are provided by KP5218:32
freemangordonkernel even18:32
hxkaOh, so it's not already packaged18:32
freemangordonhxka: it could be, but it is Pali that maintains that18:33
freemangordonand he is MIA for some time (his laptop is broken and waits for repairs)18:33
freemangordon~pali18:34
infobotrumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/18:34
freemangordonhxka: but seems he is a good boy http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html18:34
freemangordon:)18:34
freemangordon~bme-replacement18:35
infobothmm... bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement  http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html  See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them!18:35
freemangordonhxka: I think you have everything now :)18:35
freemangordonoh, that is debian repo actually18:35
hxkafreemangordon: Great, thanks :)18:36
DocScrutinizer05peetah: I don't know of any "good reason"18:37
DocScrutinizer05peetah: IOW I guess it's simply not build yet18:38
DocScrutinizer05nobody took care to do18:38
DocScrutinizer05but maybe I just don't know of that good reason despite such reason may exist18:39
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ^^^ any info?18:39
peetahDocScrutinizer05: ok I'll try make my own then, and if I succeed that will give me a good reason to practice maemo packaging18:40
DocScrutinizer05:-)18:40
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no18:40
DocScrutinizer05that's the spirit18:40
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: don;t forget I am not linux admin :)18:40
freemangordonpeetah: will be cool to upload it to repos if you manage to make it run18:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah i know18:41
peetahfreemangordon: sure, that was my pont18:41
peetahs/pont/point18:41
SatorinFinally charged and backupped! It's flashing time~18:42
DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote: some nice read about maemo community spirit (and Neo900), among other more general considerations: http://culturedigitally.org/2014/01/spam-and-the-challenge-of-chasing-shadows/18:42
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sixwheeledbeastSatorin: Also note to restore a backup with backupmenu you have to be on the same kernel as the backup image.18:43
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SatorinGood to know. I'm on the latest stock kernel, though CSSU-Thumb will replace that.18:44
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hxkasixwheeledbeast: Not quite. You can restore a backup with any working kernel. To be able to boot after that, yes, you need to have same kernel flashed :P18:48
freemangordoncorrect :)18:48
sixwheeledbeastwell, that's what I mean. Why would you want a non bootable device?18:49
hxkaI learned that the hard way and had to flash the kernel with flasher18:49
hxkasixwheeledbeast: You wouldn't, I'm just nitpicking18:50
sixwheeledbeast:P18:51
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sixwheeledbeastIt would be nice to have some warning I agree.18:54
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sixwheeledbeastYes. CSSU-Thumb will need a kernel with errata workaround.18:55
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Apichttp://pix.apic.name/Kleinerdrei.jpg19:23
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MohammadAGcan anyone lend a hand with bash / sed?20:20
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SAiFMohammadAG, hi,20:29
MohammadAGhi20:30
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hxkaMohammadAG: What do you mean?20:45
MohammadAGI need to remove all spaces before special characters20:45
MohammadAGfor example, ! ? , etc20:46
MohammadAGI can match this with \s[\.!?;]20:46
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hxkased 's/ \([!?,]\)/\1/g'20:46
MohammadAGbasically, I want sed 's/\s[\.!?;]/[\.!?;]/g'20:46
hxkased 's/ \([\.!?;]\)/\1/g' then20:47
MohammadAGoh hey, that worked20:47
MohammadAGI don't understand how though :p20:47
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hxka\1 gets replaced with first matched group, thai is everything between \( and \)20:48
hxka(in that case)20:49
DocScrutinizer05wow MohammadAG! long time no see! :-)20:49
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MohammadAGthanks hxka :D20:53
hxkayay20:53
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, hi!20:53
MohammadAGI've been busy with life20:53
MohammadAG(and *lowers head* android)20:53
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MohammadAGhxka, I'm actually helping someone out with his assignment20:54
MohammadAGhxka, this is the crap I came up with http://pastebin.com/FF23s5xJ20:56
MohammadAGI'd rate it 1 in a scale of 1-10 crappiness20:56
hxkaISP problems, can't reach pastebin.com :(20:57
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SatorinReflashed succesfully, now installing CSSU! ^_^20:59
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MohammadAGhxka, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/blablabla.sh21:01
hxkaMohammadAG: You probably don't want to uppercase chars after `;'.21:05
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hxkaWait, that was in the assignment. Nevermind. Strange though.21:08
MohammadAGhxka, indeed21:09
MohammadAGgrammatically it looks; Weird21:09
MohammadAGplus it doesn't make sense to have else after it21:09
freemangordonMohammadAG: hi! where you'veen hiding, man?21:10
freemangordon*been21:10
MohammadAGbetween some Jelly Beans :p21:11
MohammadAGand life21:11
freemangordonoh dear. how's on the dark side of the force?21:11
MohammadAGIt's actually not bad21:12
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MohammadAGonce you get past the lack of some tools21:12
MohammadAGI miss nano21:12
freemangordononly nano?21:12
freemangordonwhat about mc?21:12
MohammadAGNope21:13
MohammadAGI never use that21:13
MohammadAGin fact, I've never useD that21:13
SatorinMhm, strange, I opted to install CSSU Thumb, but under 'Product info' it states "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1, flavor: Testing."21:13
MohammadAGI used ls + cp + mv on maemo21:13
MohammadAGI can live with them on Android21:13
freemangordonSatorin: that's normal21:14
MohammadAGtill my shell loses tab completion21:14
SatorinOh, phew.21:14
SatorinWas afraid I messed something up.21:14
freemangordonSatorin: oh, wait21:14
MohammadAGhahahaha21:14
freemangordonyou nedd to apt-get/apt-get upgrade21:14
freemangordonneed*21:14
Satorinupgrade from the xterminal or from HAM?21:14
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freemangordonright now -testing has higher version than -thumb (will fix that as soon as I have some spare time)21:15
freemangordonSatorin: from xterminal21:15
SatorinOkay, will do!21:15
freemangordonSatorin: or simply do:21:15
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freemangordonapt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=T-maemo9-thumb021:16
freemangordonSatorin: wait21:16
freemangordonapt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb121:16
freemangordonthis is the correct version21:16
SatorinI see... will apt-get update/upgrade do the same, or should I set it manually with the above command?21:17
freemangordonSatorin: both will do the same, but latter is safer21:17
freemangordonI don;t know what repos you have enabled, so apt-get upgrade could do stuff it should not21:18
freemangordonso:21:18
freemangordonapt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb121:18
SatorinI suppose I need root?21:18
freemangordon:nod:21:18
SatorinI will run that. Thanks!21:18
freemangordonSatorin: install rootsh if not already did so21:18
SatorinI didn't, but I'll do it now. It's a clean installation right now.21:19
freemangordonSatorin: mark how much "space will be freed" :)21:19
hxkafreemangordon: to upgrade to the latest version of mp-fremantle-community-pr you can just run apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr21:19
hxkaAnd apt-get won't do anything unintended21:19
freemangordonhxka: the latest is -testing21:19
freemangordonand it won;t pull the correct packages21:19
hxkathen upgrade wouldn't fix that21:20
freemangordonno21:20
freemangordonit will21:20
freemangordonhxka: just trust me on that one, ok? :)21:20
freemangordonI gtg, night21:20
SatorinThanks for your help, goodnight freemangordon :)21:20
SAiFanyone knows how to use openssl?21:21
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hxkafreemangordon: Okay, I've just installed 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1 version, and what do you think, apt-get upgrade doesn't want to revert it back to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1, just as I said.21:32
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SatorinIs there a neater fix for the expired keys than setting the time back?21:40
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SatorinI'm running an apt-get upgrade, lets see.21:46
SatorinDone. No super-interesting packaged got pulled in at all.21:48
SatorinStill on testing.21:48
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hxkaSatorin: you can still do apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb121:51
hxkaBut this won't do anything significant besides changing the displayed version21:51
SatorinSo technically I'm already using the thumb binaries?21:52
hxkaYou were using them all along21:52
Satorinoh, great!21:52
SatorinWell, so far so good in that case.21:53
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Satorin<freemangordon> Satorin: mark how much "space will be freed" :)21:59
SatorinIf only! It adds ~2000kb21:59
SatorinBut that's because it's pulling in other packages.21:59
DocScrutinizer05you should trust freemangordon, he's maintainer of cssu-thumb22:00
SatorinI do trust him, of course. :P22:00
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DocScrutinizer05and the warning to never do apt-get upgrade still applies22:00
DocScrutinizer05more often than not it will NOT do what you expect it to do22:01
DocScrutinizer05we already seen core libs getting replaced by fubar versions some funny guy uploaded to extras-devel or sth like that22:02
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SatorinOh, I see how that works now.22:02
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SatorinLuckily everything seems to work fine for me, up to now.22:02
DocScrutinizer05frequently users update their apps to latest but broken version from extras-devel or even cssu-devel22:03
DocScrutinizer05and steer clear of fapman, it does even worse things, like apt-get autoremove22:03
SatorinThe horror!22:04
SatorinI do get a notification of an updated metapackage now, but that's because I reverted to the thumb version...22:04
SatorinHow do I make sure my binaries are actually the thumb ones now?22:04
DocScrutinizer05yes, the cssu-testing metapackae is newer than the cssu-thumb metapackage, I guess22:05
DocScrutinizer05by installing the cssu-thumb metapackage you pull in all the thumb stuff22:05
SatorinIt didn't seem to pull in a lot.22:05
SatorinBut that might be me.22:05
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DocScrutinizer05cssu-thumb is not exactly easy for users to handle22:06
SatorinWait, so the metapackage is supposed to downgrade everything from the 'newer' testing-metapackage?22:07
SatorinI somehow doubt that happened.22:07
DocScrutinizer05cssu-testing installs the cssu repo with a higher trustlevel than the core nokia repos, aiui. Thus it's warranted that HAM will update correctly and not roll back patches shipped by CSSU when a Nokia update ships22:07
DocScrutinizer05for CSSU-thumb the situation is more complex since both cssu-T/S and cssu-thumb live in same repo22:08
DocScrutinizer05just look into the MP what it pulls in, and how22:09
DocScrutinizer05toldya dependencies in maemo are a horror show22:09
SatorinHehe, I figured.22:09
SatorinIt seems the metapackage doesn't pull in any other thumb-packages.22:09
SatorinHell, I doubt I'm even on the thumb-kernel.22:10
DocScrutinizer05uname -a22:10
SatorinLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv71 unknown22:10
Satorinthat's a no.22:10
DocScrutinizer05when you're not on thumbified kernel, the system would already explode into your face22:11
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DocScrutinizer05actually you're not22:11
SatorinIt seems to hold up so far. :P22:11
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SatorinIt's just there are no thumb packages at all.22:11
SatorinExcept for the metapackage itself.22:11
DocScrutinizer05wait wut?22:11
SatorinIt's what I think, but I'm the noob here...22:11
DocScrutinizer05 2.6.28.10-cssu3 wtf is that?22:12
DocScrutinizer05get powerkernel!22:12
DocScrutinizer05~kp22:12
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8982322:12
SatorinYeah, I was planning on doing that since I want to overclock a tiny bit.22:13
DocScrutinizer05might be the cssu thumb kernel, that's deprecated22:13
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SatorinInstalling the power kernel now.22:14
SatorinThough I doubt it does anything for the thumb packages.22:14
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SatorinWell, now it says 2.6.28.10-power52 :P22:16
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DocScrutinizer05looks better though porbbaly almost same kernel22:20
DocScrutinizer05probably22:20
DocScrutinizer05there's a sysnode or proc or dev or whatever somewhere, where you could disable the thumb patch in kernel. If you're curious ;-P22:21
SatorinWell, yeah.22:26
SatorinIs there any way I can revert all applicable packages 'back' to the -thumb version?22:26
SatorinThey're on -testing now, I'm pretty sure.22:26
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DocScrutinizer05do what freemangordon told ya22:37
SatorinI did everything I was instructed to already.22:39
SatorinIt only downgrades the metapackage but doesn't pull in thumb binaries.22:39
SatorinThe binaries on my system are the testing ones.22:39
Satorin:(22:39
sixwheeledbeast"-cssu3" that's the kernel pulled in if you don't have KP22:44
sixwheeledbeastfor thumb22:44
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sixwheeledbeastit's practically KP22:45
SatorinI'm sure my system supports the thumb binaries now, but it doesn't run any of them because all the testing ones have a higher version.22:45
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kerioSatorin: short answer: noooooooooooo22:46
keriodowngrading is Bad with a capital Bad22:46
keriolong answer: pin the community-thumb repo at a priority higher than 100022:46
kerioand upgrade22:46
SatorinThat'd work?22:46
SatorinI'll try it right now.22:46
kerioeyup22:46
kerioapt won't consider downgrading unless the repo the packages are coming from has a priority higher than 100022:46
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SatorinI tried, but the behavior of apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to change.22:52
sixwheeledbeastI would have thought all thumb ones would be there. "dpkg-query -W osso-pdf-viewer"22:52
SatorinOh wait.22:52
SatorinLet me check...22:53
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sixwheeledbeastor even "dpkg-query -W | grep +thumb" for a full list22:55
sixwheeledbeastbut osso-pdf-view was updated recently IIRC22:55
sixwheeledbeast~cssu-thumb22:55
infobotwell, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb22:55
sixwheeledbeastTmaemo8.3+thumb2 it seems22:56
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sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon can you update the changelog on wmo please :)22:56
sixwheeledbeast~312/523:00
infobot62.423:00
sixwheeledbeast~62*323:01
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SatorinI seem to have it working now. I pinned the repo and upgraded again.23:10
SatorinPackages are their thumb versions now.23:11
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hxkaOMG what23:15
hxka9.1 only brings fmtx-middleware and two qt libs23:16
hxkaThey never had any thumb-compiled version23:16
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hxkaThere is no point in pinning the thumb repo, there is nowhere to downgrade there23:16
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hxkaExcept the mp, of course23:17
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kerioSatorin: for the general usage, only pin it to something like 60023:19
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hxkaNope, I lied. Those tho libs do have a thumb version, and you probably have it already.23:21
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* Satorin notes.23:22
hxkaIt added ~2000kb because they're new, not an upgrade23:22
SatorinEnabling Smartreflex should be safe, right?23:22
SatorinSorry for all the noob questions by the way.23:23
hxkaYeah23:23
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sixwheeledbeastSmartreflex is stable on stock frequencies yes23:28
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DocScrutinizer05unclear23:29
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DocScrutinizer05according to Nokia it's not stable23:30
DocScrutinizer05~sr23:30
infobot[SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<<23:30
DocScrutinizer05of course you're free to outsmart TI and Nokia engineers, or simply say they lie at you23:32
DocScrutinizer05or gamble and hope you have a "good" device23:33
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DocScrutinizer05or just don't care and go for SR no matter what, just for the leetness23:34
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DocScrutinizer05you as well can wear a tinfoil hat and claim nobody but you knows about the benefits it brings23:35
hxkaWow, that was really unhelpful23:36
hxkahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Smartreflex#Kernel_Power23:36
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hxkaIt is even enabled by default in kernel-power23:38
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hxka(maybe that's not true, but it definitely enabled in k-p-s default profile)23:41
DocScrutinizer05well, that's thanks to those who prever gambling and leetness over stability and secure data23:42
DocScrutinizer05prefer even23:42
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DocScrutinizer05I can think of at least 5 causes why SR fails and about same number of reasons why it may not fail on your particular device23:46
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DocScrutinizer05and of course almost all of those reasons are not static and stable - means when it doesn't fail today, that#s not any warranty that it doesn't fail tomorrow maybe23:47
DocScrutinizer05while the true measured power savings form SR are rather marginal23:48
DocScrutinizer05actually playing mp3 is probably the only usecase where SR would have any *noticeable* effect - as in "maybe 10% longer" or somesuch23:50
DocScrutinizer05and please don't answer now with general undervolting since that's not what SR is all about23:51
DocScrutinizer05SR is strictly about automatic core voltage regulation according to operating parameters of the core23:51
DocScrutinizer05means on 500MHz and 600MHz SR has probably no effect per definitionem23:52
hxka>I can think of at least 5 causes why SR fails and about same number of reasons why it may not fail on your particular device23:54
hxkaCan you elaborate?23:54
DocScrutinizer05as elaborated above SR regulates core voltage. This is done in twl4030 PSM chip. just one possible cause of SR falure might be a propagation delay on Vcore trace from twl4030 to omap3430, caused by either a capacitor with specs out of range, or a layout oopsie, or a silicon error in either of both chips. Except the layout error all those culprits are depending on e.g. ambient temperature and whatnot else23:56
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DocScrutinizer05the trace may even be prone to ringing23:58
DocScrutinizer05a particularly lovely effect EE have to cope with23:58

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