| DocScrutinizer05 | for time as well as roaming and other stuff | 00:00 |
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| freemangordon | so, if someone writes what? fcc/ru? then it should fallback to RU when no info available | 00:00 |
| t3st3r | okay, but then there is bunch of APs sending RU in beacons. | 00:00 |
| freemangordon | but I am not bold enough to test that | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely not fcc/ru, no such thing | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: did you read the bug report? | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see your own code ;-) | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | well, etsi? | 00:01 |
| t3st3r | freemangordon> I'm did and now I'm reading comments... | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | etsi, yep, guess so | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | yeah, the comments | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL is an env? | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | no | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | osso-product-info | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us' grrr | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | thanks to almighty fmg we have it REed :P | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-product-info/source/bd52864557b076d5918f8e1bf2e494d4f331bf96:libossoproductinfo.c | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD='German' double-bold-GRRRR | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Germany' | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I start to get a nervous breakdown, primarily thanks to openmoko.org MX SMTP/TLS broken | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or not | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | ok, it checks if we are in SB first, if not, it asks com.nokia.SystemInfo, if that fails it looks in CAL | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or no more compatible to my system, both kmail and thunderbird | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/wlan-channel | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fcc/us | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | yep, it is not in CAL | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sw-release-ver | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.ENOS-NO-CELMO | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CAL | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel-ver | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MD2.6.28-20093204eno3+0m5 | 00:14 |
| freemangordon | where did you get that device from? | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sw-release-ver | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.37-7_ENOS_MR0 | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | devel device | 00:14 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 00:14 |
| FIQ | hi | 00:15 |
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| freemangordon | anyway, I am off, night | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 00:15 |
| FIQ | how come when I try to make sensible error messages (i.e. not swedish error output) by using LANG=C (insertstuffhere), N900 responds with not changing the locale at all, *but* happily screwing up åäö (probably because of utf8 fail) | 00:16 |
| FIQ | is there a "right" way to do this on the N900? | 00:16 |
| FIQ | i.e. run a command in another language without changing the entire OS' lang | 00:17 |
| wnd | you may want to try setting LC_CTYPE | 00:18 |
| wnd | I usually set LC_ALL, LANG and LANGUAGE when I need to temporarily use locale other than the default | 00:19 |
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| wnd | of course, that's on desktop | 00:20 |
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| FIQ | on desktop, all I do is type LANG=C (whatever) | 00:32 |
| FIQ | which works flawlessy | 00:33 |
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| amospalla | is thumb 9.1 released?, I think it is, but it does not appear as an update on my n900. | 00:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | amospalla: yes | 01:11 |
| MrPingu | but without meta-package it seems? | 01:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I installed it no problem IIRC released 20140101 | 01:20 |
| MrPingu | hmmm? | 01:20 |
| MrPingu | I doesn't show up here | 01:20 |
| MrPingu | but slow HAM is still doing its thing | 01:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | have you installed it? | 01:20 |
| MrPingu | No, I have testing 9.1 because fmtx problems | 01:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | oh sorry | 01:22 |
| MrPingu | but I don't get the meta-package update but all separate updates show for thumb | 01:22 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | oh ... my bad thumb hasn't been released yet, miss read "testing/thumb" | 01:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I doubt there is much need it's only rolling back the fmtx package AFAIK | 01:24 |
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| MrPingu | Yes, and it still sucks that US devices have borked fmtx | 01:28 |
| MrPingu | Oh and if you need a nice font for xterm, I think anonymous is really awesome | 01:31 |
| MrPingu | And I am going for some sleep, night | 01:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | me to night o/ | 01:33 |
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| amospalla | thank you guys | 01:48 |
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| * FIQ uses dejavu sans mono in the terminal and xchat | 03:06 | |
| FIQ | always liked that font | 03:06 |
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| FIQ | used to use MHei(whatever) | 03:07 |
| FIQ | and droid sans mono | 03:07 |
| FIQ | at some different points | 03:07 |
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| SAiF | DocScrutinizer05, I just found your yesterday nights reply. thanks | 05:35 |
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| solofight | hello people - i have asked this already but this time with more clarity... Is it possible to make my n900 as a access/swipe card to open doors ? | 08:03 |
| solofight | i would like to replace my access card to office with n900 | 08:03 |
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| ecc3g | usually.. no. making another device as an access device is the equivalent of duplicating a key, and that's exactly what they don't want people doing... that being said if you understand the access system enough, anything's possible... | 08:19 |
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| t3st3r | btw, lats time I've attempted Thumb version of CSSU, it borked Fcam drivers. Is it fixed now? | 09:55 |
| freemangordon | no, and I guess it is a WONTFIX | 09:56 |
| t3st3r | hmm? why? | 09:56 |
| t3st3r | this warrants I would stay miles away from that thumb stuff then :\ | 09:57 |
| freemangordon | because the problem is woth fcam kernel module | 09:57 |
| freemangordon | *with | 09:57 |
| t3st3r | what's wrong with this module? oO | 09:57 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: in extras-devel there is such module which is compatible with both KP and cssu-thumb | 09:57 |
| t3st3r | what is KP? Power Kernel? | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: it refuses to load (or similar) on not-omap1 kernel | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | yes | 09:58 |
| t3st3r | [11:58:27] <freemangordon> t3st3r: it refuses to load (or similar) on not-omap1 kernel <- so it does some checks? | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | NFC what it does | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | but I doubt | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | it checks for the kernel version | 09:59 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: wht you can try - install KP52, install fcam drivers from extras-devel | 09:59 |
| freemangordon | at that point your camera should be fine | 09:59 |
| freemangordon | if it is fine, install cssu-thumb | 10:00 |
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| t3st3r | What - NFC? | 10:07 |
| t3st3r | [11:59:53] <freemangordon> t3st3r: wht you can try - install KP52, install fcam drivers from extras-devel <- hmm, is it compatible with thumb? | 10:07 |
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| FIQ | nfc=no * clue | 10:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | solofight: not easily and not natively either, but it is possible to make an object (N900) into a access card. | 10:11 |
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| solofight | sixwheeledbeast: make n900 into a access card ? thats exactly what i want to do | 10:22 |
| solofight | sixwheeledbeast: ideas please | 10:22 |
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| solofight | ecc3g: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question662.htm correct place ? | 10:28 |
| solofight | to understand it better ? | 10:28 |
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| Satorin | Hello everyone, would anyone mind helping me out? I just received my (secondhand) N900 in the mail. The battery seems fully empty, and when I supply power (over wall plug) it first charges autonomously for a minute or two (non-flashing orange LED), then boots up (bright Nokia screen, flashing orange LED), stays on the Nokia screen for a few seconds (about 10; screen darkens afterwards), and after about half a minute crashes (no LED at all) - only to | 14:55 |
| Satorin | reboot shortly after (bright Nokia screen again, LED flashes again), it stays in this state for 10 seconds or so, then turns off (no LED again), stays off for ~20 seconds, then starts in autonomous mode again (non-blinking LED). This pretty much repeats forever (or well, I've seen it happen ~5 times now). | 14:55 |
| Satorin | I assume this is the dreaded bootloop? | 14:55 |
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| Satorin | I found this: http://web.fournier.nl/2012/07/nokia-n900-charging-depleted-battery.html -- is it worth trying? | 14:55 |
| Satorin | Or is there a way I can just prevent the device from leaving autonomous-mode charging? I wanted to reflash it anyways, but it needs a charged battery for me to do so. | 14:56 |
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| ShadowJK | i don't know of a way to prvent it from leaving autonomous | 15:01 |
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| Satorin | I probably need an external charger or another phone then. | 15:07 |
| Satorin | It's tempting to try the trick I linked to, but I don't want to risk bricking my 'new' phone. | 15:08 |
| ShadowJK | If it's boot looping it's already what people call "bricked" | 15:08 |
| Satorin | You can still reflash a bootlooping device, right? | 15:09 |
| Satorin | Can I charge the device while in 'reflashing mode' (having pressed U and all that)? | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | no | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | or, "probably not" | 15:10 |
| Satorin | I'm not even 100% sure it's actually "bootlooping", some users on the Maemo-forums suggest it's an issue with power drain spiking on boot and the phone switching back to autonomous mode. | 15:12 |
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| Satorin | I guess I'll try the rescue image in this case, will report back. | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | I get a new battery every year or so, they wear out kinda fast | 15:15 |
| Satorin | Guess it might be a worn-out battery that's to blame. | 15:18 |
| Satorin | Back in a bit, rebooting my PC to allow loading unsigned drivers. | 15:24 |
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| SAiF | ~flatbatrecover | 15:35 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. | 15:35 |
| SAiF | Satorin, ^^ I guess | 15:35 |
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| Satorin | Thank you SAiF! I'll try that first. | 15:51 |
| Satorin | ~bootloop | 15:54 |
| infobot | bootloop is, like, when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 15:54 |
| Satorin | Okay, will first wait 30 minutes to try flatbatrecover, if that fails I'll go the rescueos route! | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Satorin: the "trick" is pretty sane, it's a proven rescueOS based battery charging it seems, after cursory look. No way you could do additional damage by that | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flatbatrecover won't help | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watching the device bootlooping for 30 min doesn't help either | 15:57 |
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| Satorin | Seems you're right, trying rescueos flash now. | 16:13 |
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| FIQ | the thing Satorin describes also happened for me under any kind of KP | 16:18 |
| FIQ | just saying | 16:18 |
| Satorin | Okay, I connected to the PC as per instructions, but it's not flashing (reports as "(Storage mode)", and yes, I am keeping 'u' pressed on connect). Strange thing is: The orange LED /does/ flash now, indicating a charging state. | 16:18 |
| Satorin | I only got it in the mail today, no clue what's on it | 16:19 |
| FIQ | i.e. if charging when device was off, it would proceed to boot, show nokia logo, minor delay, then crash and reboot, ad infinitum | 16:19 |
| FIQ | allthough you should probably reflash regardless | 16:19 |
| FIQ | so that it's clean | 16:19 |
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| FIQ | not saying the device is running KP | 16:20 |
| FIQ | but rebootloop during charging doesn't necessarily mean dead device is what I'm saying | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when amber led flashing: KEEP it! | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let it charge | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't change anything! | 16:21 |
| Satorin | I will! | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until battery full, and then an hour on top | 16:22 |
| Satorin | It charges from USB now, or so it seems... Wall-plug gave issues. | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | only then go do a full reflash | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is that the original nokia wallcharger plug? | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (not that I haven't seen issues with Nokia charger too) | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but a 3rd party wallcharger may be incompatible by design | 16:23 |
| Satorin | No, it has equal power specs though. | 16:23 |
| Satorin | Well, I'm happy with the blinking LED now. ^^' | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't say much | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3rd party chargers often miss the mandatory D+/- line short | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | resulting in charging failing | 16:24 |
| Satorin | That sounds like it might be the issue... | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | problem solved | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 16:25 |
| Satorin | It boots over usb, too. | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, blinking amber basically means it *has* booted | 16:28 |
| Satorin | I'm actually in the OS now! Time to let it charge before doing a reflash. Thanks! | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a mode called "ACT_DEAD" that pretends the device is off and only charging, but in fact the linux is fully booted up and just on a different ->runlevel | 16:29 |
| Satorin | Ah! I see how that works now... | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and welcome to the club! :-) | 16:31 |
| Satorin | Oh wow, the seller sure didn't reflash it... I'm getting emails. | 16:31 |
| Satorin | Thanks a lot! | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL!!!! | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you should "switch off" again, I.E. enter act_dead, it is charging waay faster since no WLAN, display and other stuff eats power the battery needs for charging | 16:32 |
| Satorin | I will, thanks for the suggestion. ^^ | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | worst case the system can eat more power than the USB can provide, effectively DIScharging the battery | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes the system tells you about that problem with a yellow notifier saying "insufficient power" OWTTE | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes not | 16:34 |
| Satorin | Mhm, well, I've turned it off now. | 16:35 |
| Satorin | 14 unread mails, the old owner seems to be a sysadmin. Darn, it really deserves a reflash. | 16:35 |
| Satorin | I'll wait 'till the LED turns green. | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware of | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +flashing | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 16:38 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 16:38 |
| Satorin | I read through it! | 16:38 |
| Satorin | Seems doable. | 16:38 |
| Satorin | I'm looking to install CSSU-Testing (Thumb). | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the most concise and precise description is at the end, under "troubleshooting". However please read the *complete* page first | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and please first make friend with the default/standard system, not going to install lots of stuff, especially not CSSU and/or stuff from extras-devel repos | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then after a week or so come back here asking for the leet stuff ;-) | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are a few pitfalls, stuff you should steer clear from | 16:40 |
| Satorin | That sounds like some solid advice. | 16:41 |
| Satorin | The wiki is awesome! | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a few annoying little bumps in the road that are easily avoided or handled with a word of help from an experienced user | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and probably the very first thing you should install is | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +bm | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang!! | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 16:43 |
| infobot | from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then cpu load applet and simple brightness applet | 16:43 |
| Satorin | Backupmenu seems like a must-have indeed. :P | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's your level of expertise re general linux? | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shell? | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you're a shell tinkerer, then this might be a nice starting point, after a few days of learning to know stock maemo: | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 16:46 |
| infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 16:47 |
| Satorin | I'd say very familiar. | 16:47 |
| * Satorin takes a look. | 16:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you are not familiar and friend with shell, then don't even bother reading that | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and: maemo is NOT debian, particularly when it comes to apt and dpkg and package management at alrge | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | large* | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do *not* use apt/dpkg until you understand the differences between maemo and a "normal" debian system | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inside hint: the dependencies in maemo repositories are mostly fubar | 16:50 |
| Satorin | I'll have to look into the differences concerning apt-get indeed, as I'm very used to the Debian way. | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo fremantle is basically one large metapackage | 16:51 |
| Satorin | Some neat info on the jrtools wiki page! | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mp | 16:52 |
| infobot | somebody said mp was Northern Mariana Islands | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo mp | 16:53 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo mp' by key returned no results. | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo | 16:53 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (16 of 72): #maemo awesome-keymap ;; #maemo bootloop ;; #maemo cal ;; #maemo cmtfix ;; #maemo db ;; #maemo debhelper7 ;; #maemo expired-key ;; #maemo flopswap ;; #maemo getversion ;; #maemo hamvsfam ;; #maemo mirrors ;; #maemo must ;; #maemo mustn't ;; #maemo oh ;; #maemo omp ;; #maemo pkgs. | 16:53 |
| Satorin | Looking forward to tinker with all that stuff. | 16:53 |
| * Satorin stares at the blinking LED. | 16:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *maybe* you want to install BM and do a backup of the current system, just in case. Before you're going to flash the device | 16:55 |
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| hxka | Hello, what is the "open source bme replacement" I'm hearing about? | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | hxka: hmm? | 18:23 |
| hxka | Is it the bq27x00_battery module? | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | no | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | it is battery module+charger module+rx51_battery module+isp1704 module+hal addon+libbmeipc+the applet :) | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | hxka: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement | 18:25 |
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| hxka | Oh, thanks | 18:27 |
| hxka | What do I need to do to use it besides "stop bme; modprobe bq27x00_battery bq2415x_charger rx51_battery"? | 18:30 |
| freemangordon | hxka: this is *replacement* ;) | 18:30 |
| hxka | Um | 18:31 |
| peetah | anyone managed to set up a NFSv4 mount with rpcbind and idmapd ? rpcbind does not seem to be packaged yet, but there may be a good reason for that. Anyone with more information about it ? | 18:31 |
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| freemangordon | hxka: pull the source code from gitorious, dpkg-buildpackage it and install it | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | hxka: kerneel modules are provided by KP52 | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | kernel even | 18:32 |
| hxka | Oh, so it's not already packaged | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | hxka: it could be, but it is Pali that maintains that | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | and he is MIA for some time (his laptop is broken and waits for repairs) | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | ~pali | 18:34 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | hxka: but seems he is a good boy http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | :) | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | ~bme-replacement | 18:35 |
| infobot | hmm... bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them! | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | hxka: I think you have everything now :) | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | oh, that is debian repo actually | 18:35 |
| hxka | freemangordon: Great, thanks :) | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | peetah: I don't know of any "good reason" | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | peetah: IOW I guess it's simply not build yet | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody took care to do | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe I just don't know of that good reason despite such reason may exist | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ any info? | 18:39 |
| peetah | DocScrutinizer05: ok I'll try make my own then, and if I succeed that will give me a good reason to practice maemo packaging | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the spirit | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: don;t forget I am not linux admin :) | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | peetah: will be cool to upload it to repos if you manage to make it run | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah i know | 18:41 |
| peetah | freemangordon: sure, that was my pont | 18:41 |
| peetah | s/pont/point | 18:41 |
| Satorin | Finally charged and backupped! It's flashing time~ | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: some nice read about maemo community spirit (and Neo900), among other more general considerations: http://culturedigitally.org/2014/01/spam-and-the-challenge-of-chasing-shadows/ | 18:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Satorin: Also note to restore a backup with backupmenu you have to be on the same kernel as the backup image. | 18:43 |
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| Satorin | Good to know. I'm on the latest stock kernel, though CSSU-Thumb will replace that. | 18:44 |
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| hxka | sixwheeledbeast: Not quite. You can restore a backup with any working kernel. To be able to boot after that, yes, you need to have same kernel flashed :P | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | correct :) | 18:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well, that's what I mean. Why would you want a non bootable device? | 18:49 |
| hxka | I learned that the hard way and had to flash the kernel with flasher | 18:49 |
| hxka | sixwheeledbeast: You wouldn't, I'm just nitpicking | 18:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :P | 18:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | It would be nice to have some warning I agree. | 18:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Yes. CSSU-Thumb will need a kernel with errata workaround. | 18:55 |
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| Apic | http://pix.apic.name/Kleinerdrei.jpg | 19:23 |
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| MohammadAG | can anyone lend a hand with bash / sed? | 20:20 |
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| SAiF | MohammadAG, hi, | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | hi | 20:30 |
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| hxka | MohammadAG: What do you mean? | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | I need to remove all spaces before special characters | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | for example, ! ? , etc | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | I can match this with \s[\.!?;] | 20:46 |
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| hxka | sed 's/ \([!?,]\)/\1/g' | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | basically, I want sed 's/\s[\.!?;]/[\.!?;]/g' | 20:46 |
| hxka | sed 's/ \([\.!?;]\)/\1/g' then | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | oh hey, that worked | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | I don't understand how though :p | 20:47 |
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| hxka | \1 gets replaced with first matched group, thai is everything between \( and \) | 20:48 |
| hxka | (in that case) | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow MohammadAG! long time no see! :-) | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | thanks hxka :D | 20:53 |
| hxka | yay | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, hi! | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | I've been busy with life | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | (and *lowers head* android) | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG | hxka, I'm actually helping someone out with his assignment | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | hxka, this is the crap I came up with http://pastebin.com/FF23s5xJ | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | I'd rate it 1 in a scale of 1-10 crappiness | 20:56 |
| hxka | ISP problems, can't reach pastebin.com :( | 20:57 |
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| Satorin | Reflashed succesfully, now installing CSSU! ^_^ | 20:59 |
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| MohammadAG | hxka, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/blablabla.sh | 21:01 |
| hxka | MohammadAG: You probably don't want to uppercase chars after `;'. | 21:05 |
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| hxka | Wait, that was in the assignment. Nevermind. Strange though. | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | hxka, indeed | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | grammatically it looks; Weird | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | plus it doesn't make sense to have else after it | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG: hi! where you'veen hiding, man? | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | *been | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | between some Jelly Beans :p | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | and life | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | oh dear. how's on the dark side of the force? | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | It's actually not bad | 21:12 |
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| MohammadAG | once you get past the lack of some tools | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | I miss nano | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | only nano? | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | what about mc? | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | Nope | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | I never use that | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | in fact, I've never useD that | 21:13 |
| Satorin | Mhm, strange, I opted to install CSSU Thumb, but under 'Product info' it states "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1, flavor: Testing." | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | I used ls + cp + mv on maemo | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | I can live with them on Android | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | Satorin: that's normal | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | till my shell loses tab completion | 21:14 |
| Satorin | Oh, phew. | 21:14 |
| Satorin | Was afraid I messed something up. | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | Satorin: oh, wait | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | hahahaha | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | you nedd to apt-get/apt-get upgrade | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | need* | 21:14 |
| Satorin | upgrade from the xterminal or from HAM? | 21:14 |
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| freemangordon | right now -testing has higher version than -thumb (will fix that as soon as I have some spare time) | 21:15 |
| freemangordon | Satorin: from xterminal | 21:15 |
| Satorin | Okay, will do! | 21:15 |
| freemangordon | Satorin: or simply do: | 21:15 |
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| freemangordon | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=T-maemo9-thumb0 | 21:16 |
| freemangordon | Satorin: wait | 21:16 |
| freemangordon | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1 | 21:16 |
| freemangordon | this is the correct version | 21:16 |
| Satorin | I see... will apt-get update/upgrade do the same, or should I set it manually with the above command? | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | Satorin: both will do the same, but latter is safer | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | I don;t know what repos you have enabled, so apt-get upgrade could do stuff it should not | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | so: | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1 | 21:18 |
| Satorin | I suppose I need root? | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 21:18 |
| Satorin | I will run that. Thanks! | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | Satorin: install rootsh if not already did so | 21:18 |
| Satorin | I didn't, but I'll do it now. It's a clean installation right now. | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | Satorin: mark how much "space will be freed" :) | 21:19 |
| hxka | freemangordon: to upgrade to the latest version of mp-fremantle-community-pr you can just run apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 21:19 |
| hxka | And apt-get won't do anything unintended | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | hxka: the latest is -testing | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | and it won;t pull the correct packages | 21:19 |
| hxka | then upgrade wouldn't fix that | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | no | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | it will | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | hxka: just trust me on that one, ok? :) | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | I gtg, night | 21:20 |
| Satorin | Thanks for your help, goodnight freemangordon :) | 21:20 |
| SAiF | anyone knows how to use openssl? | 21:21 |
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| hxka | freemangordon: Okay, I've just installed 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1 version, and what do you think, apt-get upgrade doesn't want to revert it back to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1, just as I said. | 21:32 |
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| Satorin | Is there a neater fix for the expired keys than setting the time back? | 21:40 |
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| Satorin | I'm running an apt-get upgrade, lets see. | 21:46 |
| Satorin | Done. No super-interesting packaged got pulled in at all. | 21:48 |
| Satorin | Still on testing. | 21:48 |
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| hxka | Satorin: you can still do apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1 | 21:51 |
| hxka | But this won't do anything significant besides changing the displayed version | 21:51 |
| Satorin | So technically I'm already using the thumb binaries? | 21:52 |
| hxka | You were using them all along | 21:52 |
| Satorin | oh, great! | 21:52 |
| Satorin | Well, so far so good in that case. | 21:53 |
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| Satorin | <freemangordon> Satorin: mark how much "space will be freed" :) | 21:59 |
| Satorin | If only! It adds ~2000kb | 21:59 |
| Satorin | But that's because it's pulling in other packages. | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should trust freemangordon, he's maintainer of cssu-thumb | 22:00 |
| Satorin | I do trust him, of course. :P | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and the warning to never do apt-get upgrade still applies | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more often than not it will NOT do what you expect it to do | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we already seen core libs getting replaced by fubar versions some funny guy uploaded to extras-devel or sth like that | 22:02 |
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| Satorin | Oh, I see how that works now. | 22:02 |
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| Satorin | Luckily everything seems to work fine for me, up to now. | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | frequently users update their apps to latest but broken version from extras-devel or even cssu-devel | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and steer clear of fapman, it does even worse things, like apt-get autoremove | 22:03 |
| Satorin | The horror! | 22:04 |
| Satorin | I do get a notification of an updated metapackage now, but that's because I reverted to the thumb version... | 22:04 |
| Satorin | How do I make sure my binaries are actually the thumb ones now? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the cssu-testing metapackae is newer than the cssu-thumb metapackage, I guess | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by installing the cssu-thumb metapackage you pull in all the thumb stuff | 22:05 |
| Satorin | It didn't seem to pull in a lot. | 22:05 |
| Satorin | But that might be me. | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-thumb is not exactly easy for users to handle | 22:06 |
| Satorin | Wait, so the metapackage is supposed to downgrade everything from the 'newer' testing-metapackage? | 22:07 |
| Satorin | I somehow doubt that happened. | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-testing installs the cssu repo with a higher trustlevel than the core nokia repos, aiui. Thus it's warranted that HAM will update correctly and not roll back patches shipped by CSSU when a Nokia update ships | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for CSSU-thumb the situation is more complex since both cssu-T/S and cssu-thumb live in same repo | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just look into the MP what it pulls in, and how | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya dependencies in maemo are a horror show | 22:09 |
| Satorin | Hehe, I figured. | 22:09 |
| Satorin | It seems the metapackage doesn't pull in any other thumb-packages. | 22:09 |
| Satorin | Hell, I doubt I'm even on the thumb-kernel. | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uname -a | 22:10 |
| Satorin | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv71 unknown | 22:10 |
| Satorin | that's a no. | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you're not on thumbified kernel, the system would already explode into your face | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you're not | 22:11 |
| Satorin | It seems to hold up so far. :P | 22:11 |
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| Satorin | It's just there are no thumb packages at all. | 22:11 |
| Satorin | Except for the metapackage itself. | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait wut? | 22:11 |
| Satorin | It's what I think, but I'm the noob here... | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2.6.28.10-cssu3 wtf is that? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get powerkernel! | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 22:12 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 22:12 |
| Satorin | Yeah, I was planning on doing that since I want to overclock a tiny bit. | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be the cssu thumb kernel, that's deprecated | 22:13 |
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| Satorin | Installing the power kernel now. | 22:14 |
| Satorin | Though I doubt it does anything for the thumb packages. | 22:14 |
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| Satorin | Well, now it says 2.6.28.10-power52 :P | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | looks better though porbbaly almost same kernel | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a sysnode or proc or dev or whatever somewhere, where you could disable the thumb patch in kernel. If you're curious ;-P | 22:21 |
| Satorin | Well, yeah. | 22:26 |
| Satorin | Is there any way I can revert all applicable packages 'back' to the -thumb version? | 22:26 |
| Satorin | They're on -testing now, I'm pretty sure. | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | do what freemangordon told ya | 22:37 |
| Satorin | I did everything I was instructed to already. | 22:39 |
| Satorin | It only downgrades the metapackage but doesn't pull in thumb binaries. | 22:39 |
| Satorin | The binaries on my system are the testing ones. | 22:39 |
| Satorin | :( | 22:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "-cssu3" that's the kernel pulled in if you don't have KP | 22:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | for thumb | 22:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | it's practically KP | 22:45 |
| Satorin | I'm sure my system supports the thumb binaries now, but it doesn't run any of them because all the testing ones have a higher version. | 22:45 |
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| kerio | Satorin: short answer: noooooooooooo | 22:46 |
| kerio | downgrading is Bad with a capital Bad | 22:46 |
| kerio | long answer: pin the community-thumb repo at a priority higher than 1000 | 22:46 |
| kerio | and upgrade | 22:46 |
| Satorin | That'd work? | 22:46 |
| Satorin | I'll try it right now. | 22:46 |
| kerio | eyup | 22:46 |
| kerio | apt won't consider downgrading unless the repo the packages are coming from has a priority higher than 1000 | 22:46 |
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| Satorin | I tried, but the behavior of apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to change. | 22:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I would have thought all thumb ones would be there. "dpkg-query -W osso-pdf-viewer" | 22:52 |
| Satorin | Oh wait. | 22:52 |
| Satorin | Let me check... | 22:53 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | or even "dpkg-query -W | grep +thumb" for a full list | 22:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but osso-pdf-view was updated recently IIRC | 22:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~cssu-thumb | 22:55 |
| infobot | well, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 22:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Tmaemo8.3+thumb2 it seems | 22:56 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon can you update the changelog on wmo please :) | 22:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~312/5 | 23:00 |
| infobot | 62.4 | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~62*3 | 23:01 |
| infobot | 186 | 23:01 |
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| Satorin | I seem to have it working now. I pinned the repo and upgraded again. | 23:10 |
| Satorin | Packages are their thumb versions now. | 23:11 |
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| hxka | OMG what | 23:15 |
| hxka | 9.1 only brings fmtx-middleware and two qt libs | 23:16 |
| hxka | They never had any thumb-compiled version | 23:16 |
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| hxka | There is no point in pinning the thumb repo, there is nowhere to downgrade there | 23:16 |
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| hxka | Except the mp, of course | 23:17 |
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| kerio | Satorin: for the general usage, only pin it to something like 600 | 23:19 |
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| hxka | Nope, I lied. Those tho libs do have a thumb version, and you probably have it already. | 23:21 |
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| * Satorin notes. | 23:22 | |
| hxka | It added ~2000kb because they're new, not an upgrade | 23:22 |
| Satorin | Enabling Smartreflex should be safe, right? | 23:22 |
| Satorin | Sorry for all the noob questions by the way. | 23:23 |
| hxka | Yeah | 23:23 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Smartreflex is stable on stock frequencies yes | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unclear | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | according to Nokia it's not stable | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sr | 23:30 |
| infobot | [SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<< | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you're free to outsmart TI and Nokia engineers, or simply say they lie at you | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or gamble and hope you have a "good" device | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or just don't care and go for SR no matter what, just for the leetness | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you as well can wear a tinfoil hat and claim nobody but you knows about the benefits it brings | 23:35 |
| hxka | Wow, that was really unhelpful | 23:36 |
| hxka | http://wiki.maemo.org/Smartreflex#Kernel_Power | 23:36 |
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| hxka | It is even enabled by default in kernel-power | 23:38 |
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| hxka | (maybe that's not true, but it definitely enabled in k-p-s default profile) | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's thanks to those who prever gambling and leetness over stability and secure data | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prefer even | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can think of at least 5 causes why SR fails and about same number of reasons why it may not fail on your particular device | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course almost all of those reasons are not static and stable - means when it doesn't fail today, that#s not any warranty that it doesn't fail tomorrow maybe | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while the true measured power savings form SR are rather marginal | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually playing mp3 is probably the only usecase where SR would have any *noticeable* effect - as in "maybe 10% longer" or somesuch | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and please don't answer now with general undervolting since that's not what SR is all about | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SR is strictly about automatic core voltage regulation according to operating parameters of the core | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means on 500MHz and 600MHz SR has probably no effect per definitionem | 23:52 |
| hxka | >I can think of at least 5 causes why SR fails and about same number of reasons why it may not fail on your particular device | 23:54 |
| hxka | Can you elaborate? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as elaborated above SR regulates core voltage. This is done in twl4030 PSM chip. just one possible cause of SR falure might be a propagation delay on Vcore trace from twl4030 to omap3430, caused by either a capacitor with specs out of range, or a layout oopsie, or a silicon error in either of both chips. Except the layout error all those culprits are depending on e.g. ambient temperature and whatnot else | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the trace may even be prone to ringing | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a particularly lovely effect EE have to cope with | 23:58 |
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