IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-11-09

filunclouded: yeah, but that doesn't help much if one finds that a) you cannot change until you switch to the 'userspace' governor, and perhaps not even then, and b) even if you manage to change that, something is cheerfully changing it back again pretty much immediately00:01
unclouded /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq perhaps?00:02
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filfilN900:/etc/hal/fdi# echo 600000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq00:04
filsh: write error: Invalid argument00:04
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filas I said, you cannot write it without sodding about with the governor, and often not even then -- it seems that something is setting it back again, and I was trying to find out what00:05
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DocScrutinizer05Nokia hardware expert: "do NOT lock N900 to 600MHz or it will fry"00:17
filDocScrutinizer05: ah, fair enough -- so the rumour that the frequency backing off is the cause of SIP calls going shitty after a while is false?00:21
filcannot say I'm that surprised -- all my previous attempts to get to the bottom of that have been fruitless, so I shouldn't be surprised by another dead-end00:22
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DocScrutinizer05fil: I can't see how it would fail because of low CPU clock freq. If the codec needed more power, the freq-governor would crank up the clock anyway. And actually most codecs are not that heavy00:24
DocScrutinizer05it's rather WPA maybe that causes heavy load00:25
DocScrutinizer05or damn PA00:25
DocScrutinizer05anyway I'm using my N900 every day for SIP via and it usually "just works" after initial 5s stabilization phase00:26
DocScrutinizer05when something goes bonkers then thats regularly and reliably tracker-indexer that kicks in when the recorded call gets written to .wav00:27
* DocScrutinizer05 needs to review the tracker.cfg00:28
filwell, I'm grasping at straws a bit -- I was recently forced to rely on my n900 for incomming VoIP, and was thus reminded how dire it is (works for about 30 seconds, then I tend to lose inbound audio -- sometimes recoverable by muting my end briefly)00:29
DocScrutinizer05ooh, that bug report is not unheard00:30
filthis is with freeswitch at the other end -- IIRC sipgate was rather better, but not in a very deterministic way00:30
DocScrutinizer05it's completely unclear what is causing this00:30
ShadowJKI'm reminded of media player stopping playback of net streams :-)00:31
DocScrutinizer05I still tend to blame WLAN and swapping00:31
DocScrutinizer05and particularly do NOT run recaller to record the call00:31
DocScrutinizer05and make sure your audio has no weird stuff configured, like equalizers or whatever00:32
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filDocScrutinizer05: yeah, I know -- I was probably here talking about it every couple of years -- I deal with it by not using VoIP if I can help it (which is really quite annoying as that would be rather useful if it worked)00:32
DocScrutinizer05SIP ever worked for me, without any patch on audio00:32
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DocScrutinizer05you would know if it was you who ran a test call with me00:33
fildont think I called anyone here, but certainly did a lot of tests with different codecs and the like calling myself and patient friends00:39
filalso seem to remeber getting the same poor performance over USB-net which seems to indicate that it's not WPA/WiFi related in my case00:41
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Ashley`oh, hi ashley ;v01:02
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Gear_OMweather is glitching out04:11
Gear_I live in australia, and it's showing me weather for tomorrow04:11
Gear_doesn't matter what I change04:11
mashina_try flipping the settings upside down04:11
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jon_ymfw Nokia stores not stocking Nokia BL-5Js09:16
jon_yhad none :(09:16
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sixwheeledbeast^why would they need to stock batteries any more? People tend to replace there phone within 24 months. It therefore seems most phone batteries are sealed in now.09:38
jon_ysixwheeledbeast^: I don't know, I expect Nokia stores to have Nokia products09:39
jon_ythey still sell 3310s09:39
jon_yoh, they sell Samsung phones too :)09:39
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jon_yexcept you can't miss the giant NOKIA banner on top09:39
sixwheeledbeast^I expect Nokia stores to stock Windoze products only from now on.09:40
sixwheeledbeast^/me is happy with his Polarcell anyway.09:41
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jon_yI think my current battery is the old 1200mAh model09:43
jon_ygot it in 201009:43
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nokiabothe he he11:42
* nokiabot slaps DocScrutinizer05 around a bit with a large trout11:45
nokiabotoh no11:45
nokiabotis any one here11:46
freemangordonwho do you need?11:48
freemangordonand what for?11:48
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nokiaboti thought nobody is here11:49
nokiabotho do i know that people are online11:49
freemangordonno way11:49
nokiabotwhat ???11:49
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nokiaboti found a option (names) that has many names so are they all online ?11:52
nokiabot266 people in this channel ... Omg11:52
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wndthere may be 266 on the channel, but it doesn't mean that they12:12
wndthat they're online in person12:13
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sixwheeledbeast^nokiabot: you may not get an instant reply from people12:42
sixwheeledbeast^they can't be here all the time, nothing would get done. :)12:43
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sixwheeledbeast^If you address/highlight a person you may get an away auto-message.12:49
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DocScrutinizer05eeew yeah those annoying auto-away messages. Most users never again deactivate them, which makes queries a real PITA13:33
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zamn900hey I did not write the right pin code for the third time... cool seems n900 does not forget every past time I wrote the wrong one15:25
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zamn900so... now how can I restore now my sim without remembering where I stored the f puk?15:25
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Hurrianzamn900: it's the SIM card that locks up into PUK request mode, not the N90015:26
Hurrianyou'll need to ask your carrier for the PUK15:27
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zamn900what's wrong with applock?15:55
zamn900and I still15:56
zamn900don't get how to use catorise15:56
nokiabotyou getting segfaults ?15:59
zamn900I dont see its menu16:02
nokiabotinstall cartorise plus gui from extras or extras testing repo16:02
zamn900ok and now?16:12
zamn900what should happen? the catorise plus implicated the previous catorise removing16:14
zamn900anyway now?16:14
DocScrutinizer05I never thought catorise a great thing.  I discarded it instantly and replaced it by ApMeFo happily16:16
nokiabotwhat have you installd now in clear words please ?16:16
zamn900catorise plus16:17
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zamn900it removed the catorise and catorise gui16:17
DocScrutinizer05ApMeFo, while not exactly user friendly to _configure_, at least *has* all the configurability I want16:17
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zamn900I'll see it doc16:18
DocScrutinizer05whule catorise came from a very stupid approach to duplicate the categories as fund in HAM16:18
zamn900so I think16:19
nokiabotJust install cartorise plus gui without removing anything or remove it then install cartorise plus gui it will automaticaly install cartorise16:19
DocScrutinizer05I want to sort the apps the way *I* like to see them, not like they are sorted in HAM where I also always have to revert to "all" since otherwise I never find what I'm looking for16:19
zamn900nokiabot I installed all catorise but catorise plus installation removes the other catorise16:20
nokiabot@doc let him try cartorise first16:20
zamn900if is possible I would taste catorise16:21
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DocScrutinizer05only downside of ApMeFo (and probably catorise all the same): do NOT move any ison in applauncher EVER. HD doesn't know about any of those catorise/ApMeFo and thus ruins your setup16:21
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: only downside of ApMeFo (and probably catorise all the same): do NOT move any icon in applauncher EVER. HD doesn't know about any of those catorise/ApMeFo and thus ruins your setup16:21
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nokiabotremove all cartorise then go to ham and install cartorise plus gui it will do the job16:21
zamn900anyway nokiabot I have installed it but there is no clue16:21
zamn900I'll try16:22
zamn900anyway DocScrutinizer05 something worng with FAM16:22
infobotThe Doctor is `OUT´16:22
zamn900it says all the times check the log for errors16:22
nokiabotyeah because you dont have the gui (graphical user interface)16:23
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zamn900nokiabot, i am not talking about catorise16:23
nokiabothumm you might have messed the repos16:23
infobothmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated16:23
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zamn900I tried clean900 but does not fix16:24
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* DocScrutinizer05 suggests registry-optimizer16:24
zamn900neither HAM installation and uninstallation works to fix catalogs stuff16:24
zamn900are you kidding?16:26
DocScrutinizer05>>Is registry optimizer a virus? - Security - Windows 7 - Tom's Hardware<<
zamn900haha -.-16:27
sonodid i tell you guys about my amazing new systemd optimizer? just $19.9916:27
DocScrutinizer05every 6 months I get a call of some friend: "I installed and run ACME registry optimizer and now bad things happen! can you please help?"16:28
DocScrutinizer05also see16:29
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, speedpatch is >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]16:29
zamn9006 month is the seed stuff16:29
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zamn900crap to seed16:29
nokiaboti also get calls like sith happend i pressed nex next next and it dosent boot next time16:29
DocScrutinizer05so sorry when I felt like quoting all this when I hear [2013-11-09 15:24:22] <zamn900> I tried clean900 but does not fix16:30
nokiabottwmorow gonna fix a win7 lappy that is crazy16:31
zamn900but so what I suppose to say... what I did not? or I did not try anything... I depend on your help16:32
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nokiabotdepend ?16:32
zamn900that sucks... I mean I am on linux OS since I was 1216:33
zamn900I know there is no registry optimizer but if you never kid... I suppose you are right helping16:34
zamn900this is disappointing treatment16:34
zamn900such I must be helped by you lonely16:35
zamn900anyway I must repeat nokiabot the catorise are conflicting16:36
zamn900and I have installed catorise plus16:36
zamn900but this is disappointing too16:36
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jon_yzamn900: there are registry optimizers, just that it is not doing what you think it is doing16:41
jon_ythose that work mostly do boot time defrag and remove start up programs16:42
zamn900but not on linux or maemo16:42
jon_yany bugger claim is stepping into the realm of crapware16:42
jon_ythis is a windows thing16:42
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DocScrutinizer05zamn900: forget catorise, install ApMeFo16:51
zamn900I done indeed16:52
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: what is ApMeFo?16:53
infobotfrom memory, pkg is
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: I mean how is it different from catorise?16:54
DocScrutinizer05>>ApMeFo allows the applications menu to be put into a series of folders. Order inside of folder can be sorted by user. One application can be put info few folders.<<16:54
jon_ydoes it follow HAM categories by default?16:55
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zammyDocScrutinizer05, now I enabled CSSU and CSSU thumb repo17:05
zammyis that fine'17:05
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zammy... I have just rebooted the phone after an update of all that... 40mb... of updates17:06
DocScrutinizer05you shouldn't mess with repo settings unless you know what you're doing17:06
zammyomg does not boot anymore... XD17:07
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HerbstbertThat's what DocScrutinizer05 wanted to say...17:07
DocScrutinizer05when you ran an update with CSSU repo enabled but you had not installed CSSU according to the very fine instruction on ~CSSU then you already fux0red your system17:07
zammyI started the image below in multiboot... I never booted that...17:08
* DocScrutinizer05 kinda feels abused for 0th level helpdesk17:08
zammyit booted and says operating system updated17:09
DocScrutinizer05WHY DO WE CARE?17:09
sonowell you're always the first the respond, and you never stop trying17:09
sonountil you go into full out rant mode17:09
zammythat's the truth... I quote sono17:09
sonooh god just nevermind17:10
zammyyou care always17:10
zammyand now you complain about that17:10
zammyhit your self17:10
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zammycom on don't hit so hard17:12
jon_yI need a new n90017:13
jon_yzammy: give yours over, you are not worthy :)17:13
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mashina_damn it, why won't autogen work in the SDK?18:44
mashina_it's failing horribly :/18:46
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sononot so many details, please..18:50
sonothen again, autogen either works as best as it ever did, or fails horribly for indeterminate reasons, at least that's how i know it best...18:51
sonoso i guess the description was adequate18:51
mashina_it can't find install-sh18:52
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zammythat solved DocScrutinizer51 now →
zammyPali, how to solve GPG keyexpired stuff on repos?19:35
zammyI saw you talk on forum19:36
zammybut... I don't get...19:36
Palizammy: change date back to year 201019:36
Palithere is no other solution19:36
freemangordonPali: maybe it is time to check if we can "hack" that with fmrx package19:37
Palifreemangordon: why?19:37
Paliand what to do?19:37
freemangordonto change the expired keys?19:37
zammythat 2010 works19:37
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freemangordonPali: or policies, or whatever19:38
Palifreemangordon: and how you want to change expired key on nokia server?19:38
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is
zammylatest one which is?19:38
zammyI need it19:38
freemangordonPali: we can't change the keys, but can add a key19:38
freemangordonor change the apt policy19:39
freemangordonadd higher prio repo, something like that19:39
Palifreemangordon: ah, did you forget where is problem?19:40
Paliproblem is on nokia's server19:40
freemangordoncould be :)19:40
freemangordonyes, I know19:40
Paliand this cannot be fixed without access to server19:40
Palisolution is to move to r.m.o19:41
Paliand then resign repo with new key...19:41
freemangordonbut we can workaround it if we can access the devices, and (maybe) fmrx package provides the tool19:41
Palifreemangordon: and what to workaround?19:41
freemangordonthat won;t work (re-signing) if we don't increase that new repo priority over nokia's19:42
Paliresign + change repo in HAM catalogue19:43
Paliboth must be done19:43
freemangordonand we can use fmtx package for that purpose19:43
Paliand resign means to clone downloads.maemo server to r.m.o19:43
freemangordonor at least we can try to use it19:43
freemangordonthus my point :)19:44
Palibut first new clonned repo (with new signatures) needs to be created19:44
Paliwithout that nothing is possible19:44
freemangordonno, first we should check if fmtx update will appear if we increase the version19:44
freemangordonif there is no new update and manual user intervention is required to install new repo+key cloning is pointless19:45
freemangordonas "2010" method is way simpler19:45
zammyso... what's the suggestion?19:46
freemangordonzammy: hmm?19:46
freemangordonPali: hmm, maybe merlin1991's devel-light repo can be used19:47
freemangordonhmm, no, extras-devel should be ok19:48
Palior 3rd solution: find bug in HAM :D19:51
freemangordonPali: going to push n900-fmrx-enabler with only the version increased in extras-devel, lets see what will happen19:51
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freemangordon[2013-11-09 17:56:09] ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package n900-fmrx-enabler provides binary package n900-fmrx-enabler which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented. No entry for terminal type "unknown";20:02
freemangordonusing dumb terminal settings.20:02
freemangordonPali: but it was built20:02
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freemangordonPali: yep, there is "n900-fmrx-enabler" update :D20:12
freemangordonPali: DocScrutinizer05: so, we have access to most of the devices ;)20:12
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infobotsomebody said pkg was
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DocScrutinizer05sorry fro the noise, I just recalled why idoru got banned first instance22:59
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DocScrutinizer05this info must have gotten swapped out to tape archive, given it took 10min to access it ;-)23:00
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HerbstbertWtf? ^^23:35
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Jasirohey, i would like to know what the dot above the normal wlan symbol wants me to say.. u know? were all available wlans are listed, one has an extra dot on top :) thx in advance23:50
DocScrutinizer05that peer mode, forgot the name23:59

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