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oooaaaooohi guys im trying to repartition my /home with gparted but my n900 mounts  as the following :
oooaaaooowhen i open gparted i can see that the vfat & ext3 partitions for /sdb1 & sdb2 are locked. i assume thats because i dont have write permission to thepartitions06:41
oooaaaoooive tried chmod-ding the mount points nothing happens06:41
oooaaaooowhat should i do06:41
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Mike11hello everybody :)12:50
Mike11my n900 falsly detects some WPA networks as WEP , so it prompts me to enter its "WEP" key , anyone with similar issues here?12:51
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ashleywell now this is strange14:57
ashleyI enabled extras-devel (via the GUI) and after a while, I was prompted to update fMMS and Calendar Home Widget...I allowed the updates to happen to get 'em outta my way; after all, I was originally planning on not updating those, but installing gpSP14:57
ashleyinstalling gpSP via the instructions at didn't work somehow, despite that I was root, so I went to the Application Manager...14:58
ashleyand poof! all the repository listings there are gone -- not just extras-devel, but all of them...anyone know why? and where and how I can reinstall all of 'em? (one-click solutions are always preferred, because I'm lazy ;-) but other sorta solutions are accepted, too)14:59
sixwheeledbeastclose ham wait and try again?15:00
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ashleyah, that seems to have done the trick -- thanks sixwheeledbeast :-)15:07
mashinaham does that15:09
mashinai just use apt15:09
ashleyalright, onto the next issue!15:10
ashleyI managed to install gpSP via HAM successfully (sic)15:10
ashleythe installation instructions tell to set some permissions (as root):
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ashleythe line "mkdir -P /home/user/.config/Team16/gpsp/" doesn't work, though -- I get: "mkdir: invalid option -- P" when trying to do that15:11
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DocScrutinizer05haha, the instructions been written by somebody who installed coreutils-gnu15:20
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DocScrutinizer05messybox is a crippled crap that never supports all options you would like to see on any command15:20
infobotwell, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils15:21
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DocScrutinizer05man mkdir; on a *real* system (or on maemo with mandb-n900 installed ;-D)15:22
mashinai actually like busybox15:23
mashinanever ran into limitations15:23
mashinathen again I use busybox-power15:23
DocScrutinizer05otoh not even my desktop knows option -P15:24
mashinai use openbsd and it's not there either. probably meant -p?15:24
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jonwiltoo bad the 10 packages on my wishlist are exactly the sort of packages Nokia are least likely to want to open up :P15:51
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ashleyso I made it almost through the installation instructions -- the last step didn't succeed because apparently /opt/gpspm/conf.gpsp doesn't exist so it can't be chmodded either15:53
ashley says to "Simply use the icon ! Enjoy your games!"...but the icon just isn't there o_O15:54
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iops2mandb-n900 just didnt install right16:04
iops2i have no idea16:04
iops2and then i had to google which told me to --purge erything16:04
* iops2 did so and still thinking of installing again ... will do !16:04
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ashleyokay, time for a few more noob questions: 1) where are the *.desktop files stored again? I can never remember the name of that folder... 2) how would I locate the gpSP binary? "which gpspm" and "which gpspmgui" return nothing...16:12
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DocScrutinizer05basically /usr/share/applications/hildon/16:26
DocScrutinizer05ashley: 2) with locate ;-) Or with find16:27
ashleythanks DocScrutinizer05 :) (and I'm guessing that locate is provided by gnu-coreutils or somesuch that isn't installed by default since I'm getting "-sh: locate: not found")16:27
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DocScrutinizer05while locate isn't standard (need to install, see ~jrtools), find should even work from messybox16:27
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DocScrutinizer05findutils-gnu - utilities for finding files--find, xargs16:28
DocScrutinizer05locate - maintain and query an index of a directory tree16:28
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DocScrutinizer05locate needs proper gnu-find, I patched the .deb to use gfind instead of (messybox) find. gfind is a symlink in /usr/bin pointing to /usr/bin/gnu/find. You thus need to install findutils-gnu for locate to work16:31
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DocScrutinizer05oops, that been misleading. The locate package *got* patched to use....16:33
ashleyI downloaded the source code of gpspmgui from (gpspmgui_3.1.3-1.tar.gz) and took a peek at the gpspmgui.desktop file -- it executes "gpspmgui" but when I try to do that from my N900, I get the standard "not found" message...yet when I installed the thingy via HAM it reported that "1 application installed successfully" :-/16:33
DocScrutinizer05it probably should pull in findutils-gnu as dependency when you install it16:33
DocScrutinizer05I bet it got optified and no proper symlink to the binary in /hme/opt/???/gpspmgui16:34
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DocScrutinizer05many packages fail on installing the mandatory symlinks16:35
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DocScrutinizer05devels obviously think that shell user shall type full pathname "home/opt/xxxx/yyyy" to invoke the executable16:36
DocScrutinizer05I frequently find myself doing the symlinks manually16:36
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# which alarmed16:37
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll `which alarmed`16:37
DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2011-06-20 15:53 /usr/bin/alarmed -> /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py16:37
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DocScrutinizer05the .desktop usually use full pathname to invoke the binary16:39
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DocScrutinizer05for shell you regularly want proper symlinks16:39
DocScrutinizer05since, duh! I'm not going to add ":/opt/alarmed/" to my $PATH16:40
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ashleybesides managing to segfault nano (man, I am good...just at the wrong things!), I also found out that "gpspm" is installed...but there's no "gpspmgui", which seems awfully silly, considering I typed "apt-get install gpspmgui" to install this thing, just as specified in the instructions16:43
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DocScrutinizer05could you please pastebin the .desktop16:47
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ashley -- this is the gpspmgui_3.1.3-1.tar\gpspmgui-3.1.3\extra\gpspmgui.desktop file from the source code, i.e. *not* from my device; I managed to find the gpspm binary in /opt/gpspm/gpspm, but a GUI would be very nice...16:50
DocScrutinizer05I find in .deb: /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gpspmgui16:50
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ashleyls /opt/maemo/usr/bin shows only four entries for me -- SheetToGoEditor, SlideShowToGoEditor, WordToGoEditor and vumeter, no gpspmgui :-/16:54
DocScrutinizer05maybe start apt-get as root ;-) ?16:55
DocScrutinizer05it's extras-devel, for all I know it might be fubar packaging16:56
DocScrutinizer05or your system/device is messed up16:56
DocScrutinizer05df -h /optmaemo/usr/bin16:56
ashleyI honestly have no idea, but an "apt-get install gpspmgui" as root worked (well, save for the fact that there is no real "icon", just a blue cube-ish thingy, for the GUI)...I guess I just messed up something somewhere (or maybe the packaging is fubar'd or both)16:59
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DocScrutinizer05the blue cubish thingie is due to some fsckup in the way hildon creates the icon cache17:00
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DocScrutinizer05do "touch <path-to-.desktop>"17:00
rd1381can somebody tell me how to restore fast application manager repos from backup17:00
DocScrutinizer05fapman deprecated17:01
DocScrutinizer05and for sure it shpouldn't use own repos17:01
DocScrutinizer05use HAM to manage your repos, or you *will* run into troubles eventually17:02
infoboti guess fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default.17:02
rd1381HAM ? do you mean the default n900 app manager?17:02
rd1381its slow,,, very slow17:03
rd1381and less features than  fapman17:03
DocScrutinizer05fapman is braindamaged, regarding it pretending to replace HAM which it evidently doesn't. It also does BAD[TM] things to your system, like apt-get autoremove17:04
rd1381it has the option to disable "apt-get autoremove"17:04
DocScrutinizer05I don't care17:04
DocScrutinizer05fapman is deprecated17:04
Wizzupbut it's _fast_17:05
DocScrutinizer05rm -rf also is _fast_ X-P17:05
infobotsomebody said jrtools was
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DocScrutinizer05I probably should add a note about fapman, next to the note about crappatch17:10
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DocScrutinizer05I also wonder if my tools page needs some explanation about *why* you want bash installed17:11
Wizzupfirst thing I install after vim17:12
DocScrutinizer05and why busybox-power is a fundamentally faulty approach to the issue17:12
rd1381now can somebody tell me how to restore fapman repos17:12
DocScrutinizer05*I* at least can't17:13
DocScrutinizer05I'd just wonder why you lost them, first instance17:13
rd1381I restored my n900 to faxctory (reflash)17:14
DocScrutinizer05mhm, and that been needed why?17:14
DocScrutinizer05not maybe related to you using fapman that messed up your system fubar?17:15
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DocScrutinizer05HAM sourcecode been FOSS ever since. But some genius decided that it would be wise to write a new app called fapman instead of fixing any perceived flaws in HAM17:16
dos1I've used both apt-get and fapman17:16
dos1(apt-get dist-upgrade, that is)17:17
dos1and yes, I messed up the system with them :)17:17
DocScrutinizer05the whole enterprise ended in a tool that has high potential to mess up your system since it doesn't consider anything that HAM does17:17
DocScrutinizer05before I use fapman I'd rather use aptitude17:18
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dos1hmm, I recall aptitude segfaulting on my N900 (but I'm not sure if that really was N900 and not something else)17:19
dos1if it was something else, then for sure I've been using aptitude on N900 too :D17:19
mashinaapt > aptitude17:20
DocScrutinizer05yes, HAM *is* slow like dogs**t, but after all you're not supposed to install >1 app per day anyway. Since you should thoroughly test you newly installed app and the whole system for any regressions. You wouldn't know which app to deinstall if you did that tests after installing more than one app17:21
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ashleythe gpSP icon is still missing, even after "touch"ing it, but at least the emulator itself seems to work \o/17:23
DocScrutinizer05and I actually come to think maybe the 5 minutes of waiting till HAM built the app-list so you can continue installing are a FEATURE, allowing you to muse what exactly you need to check and do after installing that ap, and if that app you plan to install is really what you want17:23
Wizzupno, its not a feature17:24
Wizzupits darn annoying17:24
WizzupIt's slower than portage17:24
thedead1440haha doc nice spin on it :p17:24
DocScrutinizer05ashley: that's weird. there's a command like osso-update-icon-cache or sth, you might want to run this. You also may want to make sure that the icon got really installed17:25
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DocScrutinizer05ashley: reboot usually helps to rebuild the icon cache17:27
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DocScrutinizer05for all I seem to recall hildon is watching /usr/share/apps/hildon/ via inotify and rebuilds icon cache as soon as any file in there gets changed. Installer however doesn't know about that and installs .desktop *BEFORE* the icon that is referenced in .desktop. So when HD kicks in rebuilding the icon cache, it can't find the icon for the new .desktop (yet) ->> blue squircle17:30
ashleywhee, rebooting fixed the "missing icon" issue \o/ thanks again DocScrutinizer05, you're awesome :D17:31
DocScrutinizer05I suggested since ages to fix that issue by introducing a "sleep 10" between inotify-wait and osso-update-iconcache17:31
DocScrutinizer05dunno if that patch got already merged into CSSU17:31
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: find where icon-cache of applauncher is rebuilt ;-) I can't spot it anymore17:37
DocScrutinizer05it's a cmdline tool17:37
DocScrutinizer05hd-update-icon-cache or whatever17:37
DocScrutinizer05OOOH, I think several postinstall scripts call it17:38
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jonwilok, back to being bored. Closest thing to good TV tonight is a couple very boring sports matches :(17:45
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DocScrutinizer05another fapmanfan bites the dust ;-)17:50
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if council should start to investigate if fapman maybe actually is a dangerous app that has to get removed from repos, to protect users17:51
mashinafapman? is he a superhero and his power is masturbation?17:52
Sysaxed1DocScrutinizer05: what else would we use then? apt-get ?17:52
Sysaxed1so dancing around your phone for an hour to install 5 apps is ok?17:54
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jonwil'ham is open source, someone should go through and fix the issues with it (including the fact that it takes forever to do things) rather than trying to replace it with something new that doesn't do the right job17:55
thedead1440Sysaxed1: actually if you know what you are doing, apt-get is fine and much more preferable to fapman since it accesses the same repo lists that HAM uses and not a "separate" list...17:55
thedead1440if you are using fapman with the pretext you know what you are doing, apt-get is infinitely better anyway...17:56
Kilrooapt-get isn't as convenient for browsing...a fapman-style interface that output apt-get commands would be pretty nice.17:57
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: plus apt-get at least WARNs and doesn't do automatic autoremove17:58
DocScrutinizer05it at best suggests to do autoremove17:58
* thedead1440 never uses HAM except for upgrading CSSU versions...17:58
KilrooThanks for reminding me, Doc. Need to reinstall flashlight again.17:58
DocScrutinizer05Kilroo: THAT would indeed make *some* sense. More than fapman does, anyway17:59
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DocScrutinizer05anyway for browsing we got the intarwebs, with all those nice green huge "Install" buttons18:00
Kilroo...I also might need to switch to my backup n900...I think my usb port might finally be getting loose...18:00
KilrooOr maybe this cord is faulty.18:01
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DocScrutinizer05but that's probably _too_ _much_ browsing for you, eh?18:01
KilrooWell, I've never looked.18:01
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DocScrutinizer05perfectly convenient way to install an app without waiting ages for HAM to let you browse the list18:03
KilrooUsually what happens is I think either "I wonder if there's something I can install to do X" and go search for a keyword or two to see if I find anything promising (across categories, of course), or "I wonder if there's anything I feel like trying out from category Y" (usually games) so I pull the phone out and look.18:03
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DocScrutinizer05or this:
mashinai miss that brightness applet for the n800 that let you get the full 256 levels of brightness18:04
mashinai usually cranked that sucker below 10, you could use it without staring into the sun at night18:04
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Sysaxed1"(17:57:27) Kilroo: apt-get isn't as convenient for browsing...a fapman-style interface that output apt-get commands would be pretty nice." The problem is that it is not convenient for installing as well. For me it hangs for several minutes after package installation18:10
KilrooReally? Hm. I've never noticed that, but then, I also haven't used it a whole lot. This is actually the first I'd heard anything in particular against fapman.18:11
Sysaxed1ah, shit, seems like I can't read18:11
Sysaxed1I meant that ham is a disaster for anything, not fapman18:12
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DocScrutinizer05Kilroo: case A:
KilrooI wasn't talking about ham in either case. I was comparing apt-get from terminal with fapman's gui.18:12
DocScrutinizer05Kilroo: case B:
DocScrutinizer05Kilroo: and I suggest an alternative not involving apt, fapman, or HAM (at least initially)18:14
iops2apt-get is the the nicest thing18:15
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DocScrutinizer05even better:
KilrooDoc: you've made your point. I still find fapman's interface more appealing to skim through than opening up a web browser and poking around on, but I acknowledge that it's not the only convenient alternative.18:16
DocScrutinizer05version 1.0:
KilrooAnyhow, at the moment I'm more inclined to play with my new n9 and figure out what I'm going to use to replace sipgate come end of next month.18:18
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Sysaxed1"intelligent automatic completion"18:31
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Sysaxed1awww, my n900 refuses to make a screenshot18:36
Sysaxed1was it ctrl+shft+p?18:36
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DocScrutinizer05for your convenience:18:39
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DocScrutinizer05~zapman brightness18:39
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Custodianrocket twitter client is ported to n900:
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Kilroo /o\18:50
DocScrutinizer05Custodian: what means >>CSSU Stable update required.<<?18:53
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DocScrutinizer05CSSU-S doesn't ship rocket-twitter, and there's nothing in CSSU-S that rocket twitter could depend on that you wouldn't find as well in CSSU-S. So the whole statement is unclear in its meaning to me18:58
DocScrutinizer05if rocket twitter depends on CSSU, then you probably should word it this way, including a link to
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Sysaxedwhat was the name... it was a nice old game pretty similar to wolfestein19:41
Sysaxedbut I remember that it was possible to ride a bike in that game19:41
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Sysaxedalso, if I'm not mistaken, the game starts on the island19:41
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Sysaxedbut yeah, the gameplay was very similar to wolfestein19:42
SysaxedI guess.. I don't know19:42
Sysaxedit was more than 10 years ago19:42
Sysaxedany ideas?19:42
entitledI only remember one wolfenstein clone that happened on an island. No riding a bike there tho? Game was crappy on itself, tried to be succesful by using excess gore (you crashlanded on the island full of zombies)19:46
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Sysaxedentitled: sounds very similar!19:47
Sysaxedbike was far away from the first level..19:47
Sysaxedentitled: how was that game called?19:47
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entitledisle of the dead?19:50
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Sysaxedentitled: this one looks very similar, but no :\19:59
SysaxedI'm pretty sure that there was a bike..20:00
Sysaxedoh dang20:03
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Sysaxedthat's it20:03
Sysaxednot sure if I meant that game, but I'm pretty sure that I've played Isle of the dead20:04
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm, really there is a problem with sdk download20:04
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it goes in circles :)20:05
Sysaxedso, yeah, seems like both games are mixed in my memory20:05
DocScrutinizer05it does?20:05
nedko \o/20:05
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: click "I accept" on
Sysaxedso now I'm searching for a game that was very similar to wolfenstein and had a bike20:05
Sysaxedwithout beach and island stuff20:05
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you're not supposed to use
freemangordonyou're redirected to the same php on nokia's server20:06
freemangordonoh, ok :)20:06
DocScrutinizer05it's only stage for server farm20:06
freemangordonok, but where are VMWare images stored?20:07
freemangordonscratch that20:07
DocScrutinizer05since apache isn't smart enough to deliver differnet content based on dunnowhat, we need to ship content that's correct for tabletsdev.n.c20:07
freemangordonor wait, don't scratch that, see
nedkoi'd be glad if someone just gives me md5sum of the vmware zip file or of the MD5SUM file they got20:08
DocScrutinizer05if you could have *relative* (instead of absolute) URLs in html, we could sanitize that20:08
nedkoand preferably not someone who got them from the same bulgarian server20:08
freemangordonnedko: this is nokia server, if you don;t trust them, well...
DocScrutinizer05nedko: your wish is my command20:08
Sysaxedwas there any doom clone with bike?20:08
nedkoDocScrutinizer05: i forgot to add PLEASE20:09
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nedkofreemangordon: yes, this goes to a server in bulgaria20:10
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freemangordonnedko: so what is the problem?20:10
freemangordonif nokia has a server in bulgaria, that is just fine, you have better speeds20:10
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freemangordonif you don;t trust your isp, well, just change it :)20:11
DocScrutinizer05what's the name of the file?20:11
nedkofreemangordon: it is not accessible via https (invalid ssl certificate) so i'd like to check from different location in internet20:11
DocScrutinizer05use skeiron!20:11
DocScrutinizer05what's the name of the file?20:12
nedkofreemangordon: in bulgaria we have state enforced internet censorship :)20:12
freemangordonnedko: can;t help, I am in Bulgaria too20:12
nedkofreemangordon: i know :)20:12
nedkolets try with a different one then...20:13
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nedkodos1: thank you!20:14
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DocScrutinizer05joerg@stage:/var/tabletsdev$ locate Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z20:14
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what certificate do you get here ?20:14
freemangordontry it, please20:15
dos1freemangordon: The certificate is only valid for the following names: * , * , a248.e.akamai.net20:15
nedkohere you get a134120:15
freemangordonWTF?!? Nokia went totally nuts?20:15
nedkofreemangordon: these aliases dont really work with ssl20:16
freemangordonnedko: doesn;t matter, it is not .nokia.20:16
nedkoi think a1341 and a248 are part of the CDN20:16 is an alias for
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freemangordonhowever, we can't fix that :)20:17
freemangordonyep, the same20:17
freemangordonnedko: it is not our government :)20:18
DocScrutinizer05joerg@stage:/var/tabletsdev$ md5sum /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z20:19
DocScrutinizer058c173b04bb3951bcfd4433da554b6c3a  /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z20:19
DocScrutinizer05joerg@stage:/var/tabletsdev$ ls -l /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z20:19
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 repository repository 1457450621 Dec 10  2010 /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z20:19
nedkoDocScrutinizer05: thank you!20:19
freemangordonlooks just fine to me20:21
DocScrutinizer05akamai server farm20:21
nedkofine except the ssl :)20:21
freemangordonbut it is nokia to blame for that20:22
DocScrutinizer05zilch we can do20:22
nedkoi guess it is microsoft now20:22
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freemangordonanyway, back to hsi/ssi/cmt20:22
dos1it's always microsoft to blame :)20:22
DocScrutinizer05please don't bitch about that, it's basically orphaned. Nokia won't do *anything* about it except shutting it down20:23
DocScrutinizer05it's akamai doing the maintenance, and Nokia "forgot" about that infra20:24
DocScrutinizer05so, for any problems with please contact techstaff AT MAEMO.ORG20:25
DocScrutinizer05*not* nokia!20:26
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FIQ2 months ago, I was fighting with an odd bug making bindmounts refuse to work.. while I gave up on debugging that when I saw that it basically froze in the initialization for no apparent reason which caused the bindmounts to fail, I think I finally know what causes it now...22:41
FIQ*python bindmounts22:42
FIQI don't know *why*, but it seems to happen when the clock is reset (see: battery change), and updates automatically once you enter the PIN22:42
FIQat that very boot, the bindmounts fails, but not otherwise22:42
FIQNot sure if it's due to a bogus time, due to the actual clock update when it updates from SIM, or due to something else during the change of battery.. but it happens in that situation and never otherwise22:42
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ: nice finding22:48
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ^^^22:48
DocScrutinizer05Pali: ^^^22:48
CustodianDocScrutinizer05: (about the cssu dependency) it means exactly as you thought about it, you have to install cssu to get updated qt and deps.22:50
FIQDocScrutinizer05: it's also worth pointing out that I don't have hildon-welcome (or whatever the "hi! please set your clock" screen is provided by), which may or may not have something to do with it as well22:52
FIQit was told earlier in this channel when I ranted about that screen a little that it was completely safe to remove, so I see no wrongdoing on my part for removing it22:53
nedkowill armhf binaries work on n900?22:55
DocScrutinizer05nope, prolly not22:59
DocScrutinizer05though it maybe doesn't matter until something uses floating point arithmetic eventually23:00
DocScrutinizer05btw the speed boost from hf is often overestimated23:00
DocScrutinizer05it's actually marginal23:00
nedkoeven for fp intensive stuff?23:01
DocScrutinizer05since the only difference is _when_ the variables get moved from standard registers to fp registers23:02
DocScrutinizer05whether in app or in library23:02
DocScrutinizer05in the end both methods use the FP coproc23:02
nedkoinst arm-non-hf using soft floating point emulation?23:02
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DocScrutinizer05no, soft is just a lib that also uses the coporc if available23:04
DocScrutinizer05so you see, the real difference is sth between 0.0% and maybe 5 intructiins more or less per call23:04
DocScrutinizer05only if app would keep the vars in FP registers23:05
ShadowJKThe difference is that if you have a non-inline function float blah(float a, float b){ return a+b; }, in the non-hf case a and b are pushed to stack at function call, popped from stack in blah()23:05
ShadowJKin armhf a and b are loaded into registers23:05
DocScrutinizer05if app either moves the vars to FP and out of FP, or calls a lib that does exactly same - no diff at all23:06
ShadowJKstack vs registers as place for storing function parameters is the only difference23:06
ShadowJKFrom this also follows, that armhf gives most boost to apps with functions that do very little23:07
ShadowJKbecause there the extra overhead will be a bigger proportion of total time23:07
DocScrutinizer05IOW poorly written apps23:07
ShadowJKof which there are many :-)23:09
nedkoit is clearer now, thanks23:09
DocScrutinizer05add to this the PITA that you can't tell if a binary is hardfp or softfp, and you'll come to the conclusion that you better don't bother at all and simply stick with whatever is default on your platform23:09
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: good ARM compilers do a hell of a job on auto-inline23:10
DocScrutinizer05and other weird (*really* weird) stuff23:10
DocScrutinizer05sometimes you need half an hour for your "mathematical proof" why what you wrote and what compiler made of it are actualy same thing23:11
DocScrutinizer05...for a 50..100 lines c src23:13
DocScrutinizer05judging by the assembler code, you would *bet* this never can be your program23:13
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Paliin mdns nss library is bug, it does not set interface index for ipv6 addresses23:43
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Paliso when mdns nss library resolve hostname to link-local ipv6 address, everything fail, because without interface index it is not possible to ipv6 link local address23:44
Paliproblem is not only in maemo mdns nss library (in extras-devel), but also in ubuntu 12.1023:45
Paliso upstream bug...23:45
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