IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-08-19

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DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: do you see NOKIA screen (possibly dim without backlight) on booting the device?00:05
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: shut down device completely (shortly remove battery maybe), then plug to Nokia wallcharger while holding "U" on kbd. You should see "NOKIA" screen and usually a USB icon upper left - unless your battery is too depleted00:09
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WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, I doubt I can see nokia logo while booting. I would double check. I would try wallcharger right now and get back to you.00:17
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WizardNumberNextActually on screen touch I am getting very weak vibrations, but no vibration on power on. That is strange00:20
mashinagpu could have died00:21
mashinai heard that happen00:21
WizardNumberNextmashina, I am suspecting this, but that doesn't explain vibration - it is lost on power-on. Every time I am turning on I am getting two flashes of orange light00:22
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, no I am not getting logo. niether with wallcharger, neither with usb, neither without anything00:26
DocScrutinizer05then you got a hw problem00:27
WizardNumberNextI was hinking that00:27
WizardNumberNextDoc would you try to get back your money, if you would run in such situation just 19 hours after booting n900? No modifictions made yet. Had no time, as I was working.00:28
DocScrutinizer05depends. When bought at a shop I probably would try. When bought from private, I'd prolly accept that shit happens and this time it happened to me00:30
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DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: do you by any chance have an opportunity to swap the display-half incl flat flex ribbon?00:41
DocScrutinizer05if your 1st N900 still has working display, then you could swap the 1st display for the one from 2nd, and test if that 2nd works on 1st body-half00:43
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DocScrutinizer05if you bought at a commercial seller, odds are you're covered by warranty00:44
mashinai love sliders using them00:44
mashinai hate sliders maintaining them00:44
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: the defect pattern looks much like broken flat plastic ribbon connector00:46
mashinai trioed to fix my brother's xperia play00:46
mashinaby replacing the flex cable, it got broke even more00:47
DocScrutinizer05the missing wibra and other strange behaviour during early boot prolly is due to NOLO checking the hw and detecting a defect, much like your PC BIOS emitting 3 beeps when hw problem XY detected00:47
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: the missing vibra and other strange behaviour during early boot prolly is due to NOLO checking the hw and detecting a defect, much like your PC BIOS emitting 3 beeps when hw problem XY detected00:48
DocScrutinizer05unfortunately even AV-out gets impaired when flex cable is defect - some feedback effect from the video interface to LCD00:49
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DocScrutinizer05unclear causality chain but verified in several RL cases00:49
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DocScrutinizer05possibly the kernel video driver fails on initializing the LCD display and thus not even bothers to correctly set up the AV00:51
DocScrutinizer05also the possible defects in FPC (==flex) are manifold, so YMMV00:52
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sixwheeledbeastWizardNumberNext: ~fixribbon02:26
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FIQok, my file system was corrupt *again*07:53
FIQby now I'm pretty sure that it's not due to user error07:53
FIQis it possible that my flash is starting to fail?07:54
FIQbecause this is the 3rd time in a month I get this issue07:54
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wmaronecertainly a possibility08:15
wmaroneis this the emmc file system or the rootfs?08:16
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kerioFIQ: zero it out11:57
kerioand then restore a backup11:57
kerioor something11:57
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Maceranybody else running into problems with microb stalling?14:09
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HurrianMacer: who doesn't?14:19
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Maceropera seems to suck14:31
Macerlike no youtube support heh14:33
Macereven tho it is a better browser on resources14:33
wulfeMacer, which device?14:35
wulfeah okay14:37
wulfeI use a N810 with diablo turbo kernel14:37
wulfemicrob runs pretty nicely on that, but the N900 is laggier with microb14:37
Maceri guess i can use cutetube14:38
Macerbut the opera link doesnt work either14:38
wulfelots of people swear by fennec14:38
wulfebut it really is all personal preferance14:38
wulfei think its pretty much give n take with any of the browsers14:38
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Wizzupall fennec could do is lag on my n90014:41
wulfei would believe it14:43
wulfei never saw the appeal on the n810 either14:43
Macerheh... ff in general has sucked since the bloatwars14:44
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WizzupI disagree14:55
Wizzupfx is pretty grand14:55
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freemangordonanyone tried this battery ?15:19
kerioooh, it's a standard-sized one15:20
kerioand it costs 44.50$15:20
kerioi paid 10$ for a 1600mAh15:20
freemangordonkerio: which one?15:20
kerioa weird chinese one on aliexpress15:20
freemangordonooh, the one that is not shiiped to Bulgaria15:20
LjL-Alpsyou people are brave15:21
kerio*ten dollars*15:21
jon_yten bux15:22
jon_yis that how much the batteries go today?15:22
freemangordonkerio: I need to buy 5 batteries, can you recommend me what batteries to buy?15:22
jon_yeven fakes ones come with Nokia holographic stickers15:22
freemangordonI guess mugen is not fake, but I found it to be too expensive15:23
freemangordonwill buy only if no other options15:23
kerioi think that the polarcell bl-5j is your best option15:24
freemangordonkerio: you think that mugen is fake?15:28
keriono, no, that's a true mugen15:28
kerioand it costs a fuckton15:28
freemangordonhmm, this is 1400 mAh15:32
Lava_Croftpolarcell is really the only viable option for batteries15:32
Lava_Croftbesides original bl5j's15:33
freemangordonkerio: hmm, no, zoom the photo15:33
Lava_Croftfreemangordon: the polarcell batteries are 1500+ mah15:33
freemangordonthe one kerio posted has 1400mAh written on it15:34
Lava_Croftiirc polarcell only has one kind of bl5j clone and that one is 1500+ mah15:34
Lava_Croftmine is 1550ish15:34
Lava_Croftyeah, got mine via ebay too15:34
freemangordonthis is the one from TMO thread and is 150015:35
Lava_Croftfrom wannsee electronic, yes15:35
Lava_Croftthe one you just linked is recommended15:35
Lava_Croftfast service, friendly company15:35
LjL-Alpswhich "divide apps into categories" package do you recommend? apparently, there's a bunch15:44
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: either get original used BL-5J in your shoppe next door, or get whatever tested one in internet and don't worry too much about a 10% capacity difference16:05
DocScrutinizer05rather check for good shop and good deal16:05
DocScrutinizer05rather get 6 1350mAh bats than 4 1600mAh bats for same or even higher price16:06
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys battery16:07
infobotFactoid search of 'battery' by key (12 of 16): heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery #DEL# ;; batterypatch ;; battery-usage ;; zaurus battery ;; as battery acid #DEL# ;; battery ;; battery pack ;; batterytest ;; true, but the lack of extra battery #DEL# ;; battery damage ;; wmbattery ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch.16:07
infobotbatterytest is probably
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: or in short: a battery for 40$ is not 8* as good as a 5 bucks one16:23
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: did you ever run some impedance tests against new vs old battery of same cell build?16:25
SpeedEvilyes - dramatically different16:25
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DocScrutinizer05I guess a simple script that shuts down GSM and other hogs, then probes voltage in idle (20mA), then runs vibra and backlight 100% for 15s and during that probes volatge again, should make for a nice quick diagnostics tool16:27
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SpeedEvilIt's not at all subtle16:32
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Iridosha, nice17:23
Iridosbut the summary for the battery test thread needs a summary17:23
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benediktmy n900 is stuck in the bootloop? where can i find the wikipage and flasher these days?18:45
infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is
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infobotsomebody said rescue-os was, or, or
kerioinfobot: no, rescue-os is
infobotokay, kerio18:58
kerioinfobot: rescue-os is also
infobotokay, kerio18:58
infobotwell, rescue-os is, or
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benedikt # why are there ubuntu release names there?19:01
wulfeFor the virtual images19:02
wulfefor sdk19:02
benediktso its not "ubuntu for n900"? what distros can you reliably on the n900?19:05
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how maemo(!)-dev-env-downloads might be realted to anything "ubuntu for N900" no matter if such thing exists or not19:06
wulfeonly thing i know of is the chroot debian with LXDE or KDE.19:07
wulfebut i am also only familiar with N810.19:08
wulfeIDK whats available on N900.19:08
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DocScrutinizer05genuine? maemo19:08
DocScrutinizer05then you have SHR and this errrr nitdroid, and maybe even meego19:09
wulfeyeah genuinely only maemo. anythign else is chrooted or in a virtual environment.19:09
wulfebleh nitdroid......19:09
wulfethat thing crashed my N810 hard.19:09
wulfehad to reflash.19:09
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wulfeit was all good i keep frequant backups, but just the pain of having to restore sucked.19:10
wulfeespecially with a near full 8GB SD19:11
DocScrutinizer05I'd recommend to get a cheap android device to anybody pondering to install nitdroid on N90019:11
wulfeandroid is best left to native android devices.19:11
DocScrutinizer05and N900 been built for maemo, and maemo fremantle been made for N90019:14
DocScrutinizer05I can't see whatever reason to switch to another OS19:15
Wizzupand the pc is made for windows19:15
wulfe Linux reality-bytes 3.8.0-27-generic19:15
DocScrutinizer05when ISA PCs are made for anything, then that's DOS19:16
sixwheeledbeastwot, windows? :shudder:19:18
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; kinda20:05
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; I never opened up BL-5Js to check the exact cell used20:06
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ShadowJKbut with periodic impedance test during full-to-empty discharge, I can tell which BL-5J was cycled until I deemed it trash, and which BL-5J sat unused until it became trash.20:07
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ShadowJKBoth were at around 1100mAh "nominal", but the many-cycles one had higher Z when full. The other (stored empty) had lower Z when full, but dramatically higher towards empty20:09
ShadowJKoh hey:
ShadowJKtop graphs red yellow blue are: #2 stored to death, #1 after 160 cycles, #1 after 230 cycles20:12
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ShadowJKand down in the messy low-Z portion is a purple brand new BL-5J (1430 mAh)20:13
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WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, sixwheeledbeast, I have tested both display from 1st n900 on 2nd n900 and display from 2nd n900 on 1st n900. 2nd n900 doesn't display, both displays are fully working.20:38
sixwheeledbeastWizardNumberNext: so it's not the display module or the ribbon at fault then.20:40
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WizardNumberNextsixwheeledbeast, definitely display from 1st works and its blank on 2nd n900. I am not entirely sure about 2nd display, but afair I have tested it on 1st n90020:48
WizardNumberNextIf I wouldn't be fighting to get my money back I would canibalize 2nd n900 for 3.5mm jack and display, as digitizer is a lot better conditio n20:49
sixwheeledbeasteh? If the "2nd" display works on the "1st" device it's something on the mobo. TV-out work?20:50
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korhojoaShadowJK: so what's that?20:53
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ShadowJKkorhojoa; what do you mean?22:43
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korhojoathat battery graph thing you posted22:43
korhojoais that like series resistance or whut?22:43
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SpeedEvilseries resistance vs voltage22:49
SpeedEvilfor different cells22:49
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korhojoahow did you do that?22:53
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HtheBdoes anyone here has some experience with the Dreamcast? :p23:53
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WizardNumberNextfor the first time I had problem with full flash. I have been flashing my 1st n900 and it didn't go as it is supposed to go. eMMC were flashed, but no rootfs. I am restoring from backup.23:57
WizardNumberNexthow should I flash it? root, emmc, root?23:59
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