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| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: do you see NOKIA screen (possibly dim without backlight) on booting the device? | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: shut down device completely (shortly remove battery maybe), then plug to Nokia wallcharger while holding "U" on kbd. You should see "NOKIA" screen and usually a USB icon upper left - unless your battery is too depleted | 00:09 |
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| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05, I doubt I can see nokia logo while booting. I would double check. I would try wallcharger right now and get back to you. | 00:17 |
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| WizardNumberNext | Actually on screen touch I am getting very weak vibrations, but no vibration on power on. That is strange | 00:20 |
| mashina | gpu could have died | 00:21 |
| mashina | i heard that happen | 00:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | mashina, I am suspecting this, but that doesn't explain vibration - it is lost on power-on. Every time I am turning on I am getting two flashes of orange light | 00:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05, no I am not getting logo. niether with wallcharger, neither with usb, neither without anything | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you got a hw problem | 00:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | I was hinking that | 00:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | Doc would you try to get back your money, if you would run in such situation just 19 hours after booting n900? No modifictions made yet. Had no time, as I was working. | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends. When bought at a shop I probably would try. When bought from private, I'd prolly accept that shit happens and this time it happened to me | 00:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | ebay | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: do you by any chance have an opportunity to swap the display-half incl flat flex ribbon? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if your 1st N900 still has working display, then you could swap the 1st display for the one from 2nd, and test if that 2nd works on 1st body-half | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you bought at a commercial seller, odds are you're covered by warranty | 00:44 |
| mashina | i love sliders using them | 00:44 |
| mashina | i hate sliders maintaining them | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: the defect pattern looks much like broken flat plastic ribbon connector | 00:46 |
| mashina | i trioed to fix my brother's xperia play | 00:46 |
| mashina | by replacing the flex cable, it got broke even more | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the missing wibra and other strange behaviour during early boot prolly is due to NOLO checking the hw and detecting a defect, much like your PC BIOS emitting 3 beeps when hw problem XY detected | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/wib/vib/ | 00:48 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: the missing vibra and other strange behaviour during early boot prolly is due to NOLO checking the hw and detecting a defect, much like your PC BIOS emitting 3 beeps when hw problem XY detected | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unfortunately even AV-out gets impaired when flex cable is defect - some feedback effect from the video interface to LCD | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unclear causality chain but verified in several RL cases | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly the kernel video driver fails on initializing the LCD display and thus not even bothers to correctly set up the AV | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also the possible defects in FPC (==flex) are manifold, so YMMV | 00:52 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | WizardNumberNext: ~fixribbon | 02:26 |
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| FIQ | hi | 07:53 |
| FIQ | ok, my file system was corrupt *again* | 07:53 |
| FIQ | by now I'm pretty sure that it's not due to user error | 07:53 |
| FIQ | is it possible that my flash is starting to fail? | 07:54 |
| FIQ | because this is the 3rd time in a month I get this issue | 07:54 |
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| wmarone | certainly a possibility | 08:15 |
| wmarone | is this the emmc file system or the rootfs? | 08:16 |
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| arif_mjl | hi | 10:42 |
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| DrCode | hi | 11:34 |
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| kerio | FIQ: zero it out | 11:57 |
| kerio | and then restore a backup | 11:57 |
| kerio | or something | 11:57 |
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| Macer | hm | 14:09 |
| Macer | anybody else running into problems with microb stalling? | 14:09 |
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| Hurrian | Macer: who doesn't? | 14:19 |
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| Macer | hm | 14:23 |
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| Macer | heh | 14:31 |
| Macer | opera seems to suck | 14:31 |
| Macer | like no youtube support heh | 14:33 |
| Macer | even tho it is a better browser on resources | 14:33 |
| wulfe | Macer, which device? | 14:35 |
| Macer | n900 | 14:36 |
| wulfe | ah okay | 14:37 |
| wulfe | I use a N810 with diablo turbo kernel | 14:37 |
| wulfe | microb runs pretty nicely on that, but the N900 is laggier with microb | 14:37 |
| Macer | i guess i can use cutetube | 14:38 |
| Macer | but the opera link doesnt work either | 14:38 |
| wulfe | lots of people swear by fennec | 14:38 |
| wulfe | but it really is all personal preferance | 14:38 |
| wulfe | i think its pretty much give n take with any of the browsers | 14:38 |
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| Wizzup | all fennec could do is lag on my n900 | 14:41 |
| Macer | yah | 14:43 |
| wulfe | i would believe it | 14:43 |
| wulfe | i never saw the appeal on the n810 either | 14:43 |
| Macer | heh... ff in general has sucked since the bloatwars | 14:44 |
| wulfe | true | 14:44 |
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| Wizzup | I disagree | 14:55 |
| Wizzup | fx is pretty grand | 14:55 |
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| Macer | oops | 15:09 |
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| freemangordon | anyone tried this battery www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-1600mah-extended-battery-for-nokia-lumia-520-5800-xpressmusic-n900-x6-c3.html ? | 15:19 |
| kerio | ooh, it's a standard-sized one | 15:20 |
| kerio | and it costs 44.50$ | 15:20 |
| kerio | i paid 10$ for a 1600mAh | 15:20 |
| freemangordon | kerio: which one? | 15:20 |
| kerio | a weird chinese one on aliexpress | 15:20 |
| freemangordon | ooh, the one that is not shiiped to Bulgaria | 15:20 |
| freemangordon | :) | 15:21 |
| LjL-Alps | you people are brave | 15:21 |
| kerio | *ten dollars* | 15:21 |
| jon_y | ten bux | 15:22 |
| jon_y | is that how much the batteries go today? | 15:22 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I need to buy 5 batteries, can you recommend me what batteries to buy? | 15:22 |
| jon_y | even fakes ones come with Nokia holographic stickers | 15:22 |
| freemangordon | I guess mugen is not fake, but I found it to be too expensive | 15:23 |
| freemangordon | will buy only if no other options | 15:23 |
| kerio | i think that the polarcell bl-5j is your best option | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | kerio: you think that mugen is fake? | 15:28 |
| kerio | no, no, that's a true mugen | 15:28 |
| kerio | and it costs a fuckton | 15:28 |
| kerio | freemangordon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/PolarCell-XpressMusic-replaced-cellePhone-ScreenCleaner/dp/B004IHNVXY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/276-1556260-9969026 | 15:29 |
| freemangordon | hmm, this is 1400 mAh | 15:32 |
| Lava_Croft | polarcell is really the only viable option for batteries | 15:32 |
| kerio | 1500 | 15:33 |
| Lava_Croft | besides original bl5j's | 15:33 |
| freemangordon | kerio: hmm, no, zoom the photo | 15:33 |
| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: the polarcell batteries are 1500+ mah | 15:33 |
| freemangordon | the one kerio posted has 1400mAh written on it | 15:34 |
| Lava_Croft | iirc polarcell only has one kind of bl5j clone and that one is 1500+ mah | 15:34 |
| Lava_Croft | mine is 1550ish | 15:34 |
| freemangordon | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PolarCell-Batterie-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-XpressMusic-XM-Battery-/390402445382?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item5ae5cc9046 | 15:34 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, got mine via ebay too | 15:34 |
| freemangordon | this is the one from TMO thread and is 1500 | 15:35 |
| freemangordon | iiuc | 15:35 |
| Lava_Croft | from wannsee electronic, yes | 15:35 |
| Lava_Croft | the one you just linked is recommended | 15:35 |
| Lava_Croft | fast service, friendly company | 15:35 |
| LjL-Alps | which "divide apps into categories" package do you recommend? apparently, there's a bunch | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | apmefo | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: either get original used BL-5J in your shoppe next door, or get whatever tested one in internet and don't worry too much about a 10% capacity difference | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather check for good shop and good deal | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather get 6 1350mAh bats than 4 1600mAh bats for same or even higher price | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys battery | 16:07 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'battery' by key (12 of 16): heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery #DEL# ;; batterypatch ;; battery-usage ;; zaurus battery ;; as battery acid #DEL# ;; battery ;; battery pack ;; batterytest ;; true, but the lack of extra battery #DEL# ;; battery damage ;; wmbattery ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch. | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batterytest | 16:08 |
| infobot | batterytest is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: or in short: a battery for 40$ is not 8* as good as a 5 bucks one | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: did you ever run some impedance tests against new vs old battery of same cell build? | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - dramatically different | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess a simple script that shuts down GSM and other hogs, then probes voltage in idle (20mA), then runs vibra and backlight 100% for 15s and during that probes volatge again, should make for a nice quick diagnostics tool | 16:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 16:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not at all subtle | 16:32 |
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| Iridos | ha, nice | 17:23 |
| Iridos | but the summary for the battery test thread needs a summary | 17:23 |
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| benedikt | my n900 is stuck in the bootloop? where can i find the wikipage and flasher these days? | 18:45 |
| benedikt | s/?/. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 18:49 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:49 |
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| kerio | ~rescueos | 18:58 |
| infobot | somebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/, or http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/, or http://acehack.de/rescueOS/ | 18:58 |
| kerio | infobot: no, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 18:58 |
| infobot | okay, kerio | 18:58 |
| kerio | infobot: rescue-os is also http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 18:58 |
| infobot | okay, kerio | 18:58 |
| kerio | ~rescueos | 18:58 |
| infobot | well, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/, or http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 18:58 |
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| benedikt | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php # why are there ubuntu release names there? | 19:01 |
| wulfe | For the virtual images | 19:02 |
| wulfe | for sdk | 19:02 |
| benedikt | a | 19:04 |
| benedikt | so its not "ubuntu for n900"? what distros can you reliably on the n900? | 19:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how maemo(!)-dev-env-downloads might be realted to anything "ubuntu for N900" no matter if such thing exists or not | 19:06 | |
| wulfe | only thing i know of is the chroot debian with LXDE or KDE. | 19:07 |
| wulfe | but i am also only familiar with N810. | 19:08 |
| wulfe | IDK whats available on N900. | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | genuine? maemo | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you have SHR and this errrr nitdroid, and maybe even meego | 19:09 |
| wulfe | yeah genuinely only maemo. anythign else is chrooted or in a virtual environment. | 19:09 |
| wulfe | bleh nitdroid...... | 19:09 |
| wulfe | that thing crashed my N810 hard. | 19:09 |
| wulfe | had to reflash. | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-x | 19:09 |
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| wulfe | it was all good i keep frequant backups, but just the pain of having to restore sucked. | 19:10 |
| wulfe | especially with a near full 8GB SD | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd recommend to get a cheap android device to anybody pondering to install nitdroid on N900 | 19:11 |
| wulfe | indeed | 19:11 |
| wulfe | android is best left to native android devices. | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and N900 been built for maemo, and maemo fremantle been made for N900 | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see whatever reason to switch to another OS | 19:15 |
| Wizzup | and the pc is made for windows | 19:15 |
| Wizzup | (sorry) | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wrong | 19:15 |
| wulfe | Linux reality-bytes 3.8.0-27-generic | 19:15 |
| wulfe | noty | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when ISA PCs are made for anything, then that's DOS | 19:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wot, windows? :shudder: | 19:18 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; kinda | 20:05 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; I never opened up BL-5Js to check the exact cell used | 20:06 |
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| ShadowJK | but with periodic impedance test during full-to-empty discharge, I can tell which BL-5J was cycled until I deemed it trash, and which BL-5J sat unused until it became trash. | 20:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Both were at around 1100mAh "nominal", but the many-cycles one had higher Z when full. The other (stored empty) had lower Z when full, but dramatically higher towards empty | 20:09 |
| ShadowJK | oh hey: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ohm.png | 20:11 |
| ShadowJK | top graphs red yellow blue are: #2 stored to death, #1 after 160 cycles, #1 after 230 cycles | 20:12 |
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| ShadowJK | and down in the messy low-Z portion is a purple brand new BL-5J (1430 mAh) | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice | 20:19 |
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| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05, sixwheeledbeast, I have tested both display from 1st n900 on 2nd n900 and display from 2nd n900 on 1st n900. 2nd n900 doesn't display, both displays are fully working. | 20:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | WizardNumberNext: so it's not the display module or the ribbon at fault then. | 20:40 |
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| WizardNumberNext | sixwheeledbeast, definitely display from 1st works and its blank on 2nd n900. I am not entirely sure about 2nd display, but afair I have tested it on 1st n900 | 20:48 |
| WizardNumberNext | If I wouldn't be fighting to get my money back I would canibalize 2nd n900 for 3.5mm jack and display, as digitizer is a lot better conditio n | 20:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh? If the "2nd" display works on the "1st" device it's something on the mobo. TV-out work? | 20:50 |
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| korhojoa | ShadowJK: so what's that? | 20:53 |
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| ShadowJK | korhojoa; what do you mean? | 22:43 |
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| korhojoa | that battery graph thing you posted | 22:43 |
| korhojoa | is that like series resistance or whut? | 22:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | uea. | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | series resistance vs voltage | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | for different cells | 22:49 |
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| korhojoa | cool. | 22:53 |
| korhojoa | how did you do that? | 22:53 |
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| HtheB | does anyone here has some experience with the Dreamcast? :p | 23:53 |
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| WizardNumberNext | for the first time I had problem with full flash. I have been flashing my 1st n900 and it didn't go as it is supposed to go. eMMC were flashed, but no rootfs. I am restoring from backup. | 23:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | how should I flash it? root, emmc, root? | 23:59 |
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