IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-05-22

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DocScrutinizer05ab: I guess you never join any German channels, eh? ;-)00:03
abDocScrutinizer05: :)00:03
abDocScrutinizer05: I used to work in a company that had 'ab <place>' in its name00:03
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if there's a user nick "is"00:03
DocScrutinizer05or "it"00:04
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infobotthe <ba3034cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 3h 59m 41s ago, saying: 'Hello'.00:04
DocScrutinizer05I bet this guy had lots of fun00:05
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DocScrutinizer05~wiki the the00:05
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use British English|date=April 2011}} {{Use dmy dates|date=April 2011}} {{Infobox musical artist | name = The The | image = | caption = | image_size = | background = group_or_band | origin = United Kingdom | genre = Post-punkAlternative rock | years_active = 1979–present | label = 4ADSome BizzareEpicNothing/InterscopeLazarus/Cineola | associated_acts = | website = | current_members ...00:05
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Woody14619aLe sigh...32G micro-sd/hc cards, class 10.  $24.00:27
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Woody14619Just odd to see micro-cards breaking the $1/G limit... bound to happen, but...00:30
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SpeedEvilif your not keeping up, you tend to have the 'wait, that's got to be a mistake' reaction00:52
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Gear_I paid at least a buck per gig 9 months ago02:46
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Luke-Jrjoga: I've maintained 10mbit over N900 + 3G without any problems..10:30
Luke-Jrtorrents (numerous connections) even'10:30
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jogaLuke-Jr, while writing to the sd?10:42
jogaif I dd a couple of megs of zeroes it reboots10:42
jogaI know there was some tweak to remedy that but haven't done it10:42
Luke-Jrnot while writing'10:43
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DocScrutinizer05joga: that's a known problem and completely unrelated to internet connectivity speed and browser16:31
jogaDocScrutinizer05, yeah but I figured that it cached the images so fast or something...16:32
jogathough, I think I've had it also boot a couple of times when it's under stress16:33
DocScrutinizer05the reboot comes from swap getting congested/stalled when eMMC and MMC/SD hardware interfaces and drivers get into a "race condition"16:33
DocScrutinizer05this results in system vital processes stalling, which makes dsme oull the trigger to recover from a percieved or real faulty system status16:35
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infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: this results in system vital processes stalling, which makes dsme pull the trigger to recover from a percieved or real faulty system status16:35
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jogaDocScrutinizer05, ok thanks for the clarification... was there some workaround with only positive effects?16:44
DocScrutinizer05google for swappolube16:45
divVerentis there a (hidden) way to set the default folder the Pictures view shows up inP?16:45
divVerentI don't want it ti show e.g. cover.jpg from mp3 directories in MyDocs/.sounds/16:45
jogaah, I've used swappolube for years I guess16:45
divVerentbut only the DCIM dir16:45
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: tracker settings is what you're looking for16:47
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: you want bugfixed tracker from CSSU for that (courtesy javispedro?), since the original one is broken and ignores ignore instructions, or sth like that16:48
divVerentI am on cssu-thumb, so I guess I have the bugfixedone16:48
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divVerentis LowMemoryMode a good idea?16:51
divVerenthm... kinda bad, WatchDirectoryRoots needs to be set... I can't set where it expects sounds and where videos. Still nice tool.16:52
jon_yiirc no16:52
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jon_yyou want the indexing to be done as soon as possible16:52
jon_ysave battery16:52
divVerentI couldn't care less for the indexing16:52
divVerentI could live with no indexing at all, even16:52
jon_ywell, you would want it to complete fast16:53
divVerentI use HamsterFiler to open files in the media player16:53
divVerentyes, but no indexing would win16:53
jon_ythe disable directory would work for you16:53
jon_yjust tell it not to index anything under /16:53
divVerentyes, looking for it16:53
divVerentWatchDirectoryRoots is NOT the list of all that is indexed16:54
divVerentbecause I know /media/mmc1 is indexed too16:54
divVerentyet not listed there+16:54
divVerentoh, IndexRemovableMedia probably does THAT part16:54
divVerentEnableIndexing - is that the big master switch?16:54
jon_yyou can try16:55
divVerentwait, this thing does thumbnails too... damn16:55
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divVerentwell, let's see if anything important breaks16:55
divVerenthow do I clear the currently existing index?16:55
vi__tracker is actually a pretty damn good piece of software16:55
vi__I never understood all the h8ing it gets.16:55
divVerentRebuild Databases, did that now with EnableIndexing off16:56
divVerentvi__: because it shows nonsense16:56
divVerentI don't want all the CD covers with their random modtimes listed with my camera pictures16:56
vi__That is a problem with picture viewer.16:56
vi__It SHOULD display only camera pictures by default.16:56
divVerentyes, because it defaults to the "All pictures" view16:56
divVerentand that cannot be changed16:56
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DocScrutinizer05vi__: it's getting terribly abused by maemo16:57
divVerentBTW, did not work, even with enableIndexing off, pictures still shows the wrong pics16:57
DocScrutinizer05vi__: abused as alternative to a proper hierarchical filesystem with directories16:57
vi__Step 1. Do not throttle it or use low memory mode.  Let it finish its stuff ASAP.16:57
vi__Step 2. If you have power busybox installed, use ionice to set it as a background task.16:57
DocScrutinizer05tracker is nice - for stuff like spotlight/kerry-beagle/whatsthename search functions16:58
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divVerentbut anyway16:58
vi__Step 3. Disable some of the unused functions like word indexing.16:58
DocScrutinizer05NOT for the *only* way to access files in an app, and particularly bot to store even email content in it, like done in HARM16:58
divVerentit looks like it isn't even Tracker's fault that pictures view shows the nonsense16:58
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DocScrutinizer05s/ bot/ not/16:58
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: NOT for the *only* way to access files in an app, and particularly not to store even email content in it, like done in HARM16:58
divVerentbecause even with .sounds removed and everything else on, it shows the pics from there16:59
vi__You need to add .sounds to no index then rebuild.16:59
divVerentwhere is "No index"16:59
divVerentthere is only "no watch"16:59
vi__Install trackercfg if you have not already.16:59
divVerentI have it16:59
vi__Yes, nowatch17:00
vi__then you need to rebuild after adding a directory to no watch.17:00
vi__I have 2000+ music tracks and 100+ videos.  I have zero problems with tracker.17:01
divVerentok, now All images view is empty17:02
vi__That is what you wanted?17:02
divVerentafter adding .sounds, saving and restarting tracker, and reindexing17:02
divVerentno, I want the DCIMs still to show up17:02
divVerentit takes a while to start indexing17:02
divVerentNOW it started17:02
vi__Give it a moment.17:02
vi__Tracker tries to be inconvenient.17:03
divVerentlet's see if excluding .sounds worked17:03
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divVerentof course, it then also means that the MP3 player won't have any index... wonder if it still will work then17:03
divVerentwhen opening it from HamsterFiler17:03
divVerentspeaking of HamsterFiler17:03
divVerentis there a way to teach the default file manager to NOT look up ID3 tags of MP3s?17:03
divVerentbut show the REAL file names?17:03
divVerentthis is the ONLY reason why I use HamsterFiler... to not get this ID3 tag nonsense17:03
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vi__I wonder if there is a way to add complex rules like 'index /my/direcetory excluding <filetype>'17:04
vi__ID3 tags are not nonsense.17:04
vi__Default file manager sucks asses.17:04
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vi__Although, I am quite pedantic with tagging my digital music collection.17:05
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DocScrutinizer05*sigh* how would I selectively forbid /queries? Had a query popup in-midst me writing something, for a felt 30 times during last hour17:09
DocScrutinizer05this whole stuff more and more gets annoying and no more manageable17:10
DocScrutinizer05there's approaching the day when I'll probably need to go offline to get any vital work done, without IRC and stuff distracting me every 45s17:11
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: /block user maybe?17:14
vi__DocScrutinizer05: But if you are not in IRC, how will you have a steady supply of people being technically wrong to correct?17:15
jogause an irc client that doesn't pop up stuff :)17:23
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DocScrutinizer05joga: yep, probably, but then I need an irc client that also allows to log in under multiple nicks/accounts, since once or twice a day a real "emergency call" comes in, and I don't want to miss that17:28
DocScrutinizer05e.g I'm chanop of a felt 3 dozen irc channels17:29
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ruskieanyone planing on getting the jolla thingy?17:51
* Wizzup possibly17:52
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vi__ruskie: I shall wait to see if it comes with xterm.17:58
ruskieI'm thinking of getting it simply to have something more up to date as a phone but that isn't tied to apple, google, microsoft17:58
DocScrutinizer51I pondered it, but felt fooled by them selling a completely unspecified "trhe other half" to me for 100 bucks17:59
vi__Nokia S40?17:59
ruskievi__, that's always a good fallback for me17:59
ruskieI'm definitely interested in the nokia with the one month standby that they've annouced for the later half of the year18:00
vi__Can it run without the 'otherhalf'?18:00
vi__ruskie: No 3g though.18:00
ruskieyour point?18:00
ruskiefor calls and sms it's good enough18:00
ruskieI plan on getting a mifi type device to solve the 3g issue18:01
ruskiewith a tablet18:01
vi__True, but it is always nice to have a personal access point.18:01
ruskienot that I'm unhappy with my n90018:02
ruskiestill love it18:02
vi__Why is there no mobile phone that is in the form factor of a handsfree headset?18:02
DocScrutinizer51too heavy18:02
vi__We need magic batteries.18:03
DocScrutinizer51and SAR18:03
vi__Science pls deliver ASAP.18:03
ruskieI should sometime reflash my n900 and go with a full up to date cssu update18:03
vi__ruskie: You should.18:03
vi__It makes it closer to what the n900 should have been.18:03
ruskieof course I'll then have to remove a ton of stuff again that I don't want/need18:04
vi__Not so hard.18:04
ruskieI'll need to make a full backup first18:04
vi__You are the ruskie from tmo?18:04
vi__heh, then you know what you are doing.18:04
ruskieit's just energy and time that I need to do it18:05
ruskiemaybe during my vacation18:05
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ruskiewhen I'll be bored18:05
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vi__There is a lot of stuff that can be apt-get'ed away.18:05
ruskieI'll mainly need to reinstall a lot of stuff... hopefuly the configs will mainly stay the same18:06
DocScrutinizer51ruskie: CSSU gave great care to keep all config compatible with stock maemo18:08
DocScrutinizer51almost everything you used to do on stock maemo5 should work exactly same way on CSSU18:09
keriovi__: old and a hoax18:09
kerio*cssu stable18:09
vi__kerio: I am so dissapoint.18:09
DocScrutinizer51some stuff works simpler though, r isnt needed at all anymore18:09
ruskieyeah I'll just have to reinstall a ton of stuff I have self built but I still have the repo running18:09
vi__...what stuff?18:10
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ruskiefcron, xmms2, zsh, sharing_cli and I think a few other stuff18:10
DocScrutinizer51ruskie: (obsolete) like MHD, keyboard patch for NK-enter problem, etc18:10
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DocScrutinizer51ruskie: see:18:12
infobotrumour has it, jrtools is
DocScrutinizer51poor alternative to alarmed18:13
ruskieworks for me though hehe ;)18:13
DocScrutinizer51ooooorrrrr a ill-named dbus-scripting alternative18:14
ruskie <-- have some stuff here for repartioning18:14
ruskieyup I repartioned my device live18:15
DocScrutinizer51should ghet done prior to installing new maemo from scratch18:15
ruskieyeah I'll look at resizing the stuff18:16
ruskieI reduce mydocs to minimal18:16
ruskielike 2gb or so18:16
ruskiemost everything I put it to home18:16
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DocScrutinizer51and latest CSSU comes with support for all sorts of tweaks to fstab18:16
ruskieand some opt18:16
DocScrutinizer51ask Pali18:17
chem|struskie: did order...18:17
DocScrutinizer51it's still pre-release18:17
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: preorder is 0eur...18:18
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DocScrutinizer51but aiui the plan is to enable user custom repartitioning18:18
ruskieI think I'll wait for some reviews and maybe a hands on test(if any of the local cellcos will offer it) for the jolla device18:18
DocScrutinizer51chem|st: I know, but wtf if I preorder 2nd best instead of premium?18:18
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DocScrutinizer51feels all like cheating on customers18:19
chem|stwell I think supportif and after having an android tab for 4 weeks I want my next phone to be swipe for sure18:20
DocScrutinizer51for all I can tell this "other-half" *seems* to be a colored and maybe nametagged plastic snapon coat. But could also be an abo for jolla journal, or a t-shirt18:21
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DocScrutinizer51and do you recall nokia's N900 preorder story. Epic! you could preorder for ~600 EUR and in the end possibly got device later than those who ordered at amazon for 50018:23
wmaroneyes, I remember that18:24
wmaronehopefully they will have remembered to solve that problem as well18:24
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DocScrutinizer51so that 100 bucks premium preorder offer gets you: a voucher worth 100 bucks off to the max 499EUR jolla will call for a device that amazon might sell at 249. Plus a "other-half" that nobody specifies what it actually is18:26
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DocScrutinizer51heck, idiots like Obi and Baumarkt and Saturn know how to do that better, offering best-price warranty like "if you show us a source to get the device cheaper than what you paid here, we return the difference in price plus some bucks compensation to you"18:29
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vi__When will they reveal details as to what exactly the 'other half' thing is?  It seems to be the main feature but we don't know what it is.18:31
ShadowJK(that's why they get manuf to give them a different ean and sky so they can claim "it's not the same product")18:31
kerioDocScrutinizer51: i really hope that the latest cssu doesn't come with additions to rcS-late18:31
keriobecause they make my device unbootable18:31
DocScrutinizer51a realistic 9 months still till device rollout...18:31
* DocScrutinizer51 should try again to get a job as EE or system architect hw, at jolla18:32
* freemangordon thinks to apply for the position if they need a new CEO :D18:33
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vi__Go for it FMG, you are certain to get it.18:33
freemangordonunfortunately I don;t use twitter, so not sure how to apply18:34
freemangordonooh, yes18:34
freemangordonthere is FB18:34
DocScrutinizer51CEO? omg not it18:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: But why, I have NFC how to do that job :P18:35
DocScrutinizer51ooh tyen you're probably perfectrly qualified18:35
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: come on, if Steve can be the CEO of Nokia...18:35
freemangordonAt least I have more that 2 brain cells18:36
DocScrutinizer51see above18:36
DocScrutinizer51be careful! more than 5 might be a KO criterion18:36
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DocScrutinizer51more than 5 brain cells? nevermind. next candidate please18:37
freemangordonoh, yes18:37
freemangordonwell, I can lie to them ;)18:38
freemangordon(if it turns out I have more than 5)18:38
DocScrutinizer51honestly, usually for a CEO rather strange qualifications count18:39
DocScrutinizer51probably mr Flop had too many brain clls, which gave him ideas not approved by the really qualified people18:40
freemangordonwell, at least here, a degree in economics is a must. Even for IT companies. Which is rather strange IMO18:40
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: sure, we (hopefully) all know about those tricks to make your product "unique" so nobody ever could claim that warranty. But other sellers offer to give you same conditions on date of purchase. And I must be God's favourite douche bag if I'd pay 100 bucks to preorder sth that not even has tech specs and no way to make sure I didn't waste that 100 bucks on nothing since I'd *save* another 50 bicks with NOT using that preorder19:12
DocScrutinizer05and rather ordering at $seller-b19:12
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, overlength19:14
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless ibot and purl offline19:14
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: the pre-orders are either 100e for the other half package, 40e for the t-shirt package and 0e for just the phone to show your interest19:38
thedead1440despite choosing any of the above three you can apply for a refund within 14days of delivery of the package19:38
thedead1440so you have enough room IMO to change your mind19:39
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I know of the three options. I however don't see an option to get beck my 100EUR if that mystical "other-half" isn't worth it, or if the pricetag jolla calls up is >> what e.g. amazon calls20:02
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GeneralAntillesSo get the 0 one.20:06
thedead1440or just apply for a refund?20:06
thedead1440read the FAQ ;)
keriodafuq is that20:11
keriowhy does the jolla website look like shit20:11
kerioand why is having themes matching the backcover relevant to a good mobile OS?20:12
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: how's a refund 14 days after I ordered the 100EUR preorder helping me when in 9 months it turns out I preordered a device for 499EUR that I could get for 220 at $random-seller?20:12
DocScrutinizer05kerio: +120:12
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: its 14 days after you receive the package! Like I said you should read the FAQ first before pre-ordering20:13
DocScrutinizer05I probably *did* read them20:13
DocScrutinizer05and do you know what is defined as "delivery of package"?20:13
DocScrutinizer05in my book that's the moment they send the voucher to me20:14
thedead1440that's not the way i interpret it but since in my country i could place the 0e one only i did that. If you want to be clear about what you are doing they have in almost every FAQ answer asked you to email them for further clarification. Honestly its much better than trying to come up with various different interpretations of their answers20:16
DocScrutinizer05there is no possible different interpretations - 14 period starts with t-shirt and voucher arriving at you. In line with standard european internet shopping laws20:17
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thedead1440and they are shipping the t-shirt + other half now? it seems more like they'll only ship it just before the device is also shipped20:18
DocScrutinizer05no, they are shipping the t-shirt and voucher right away20:19
DocScrutinizer05maybe only the voucher20:19
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DocScrutinizer05>>If you join the Movement and get the pre-order number to buy the phone when available, you’ll pay no more than 399€; including applicable VAT in Europe, but excluding shipping costs, duties and any local taxes.<<20:22
thedead1440if so then email them and clarify if you want to place the 100e pre-order20:22
ShadowJKseems like courier-only shipping too, which is a PITA20:23
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thedead1440FWIW, I'm pretty sure you would not have a hard time getting the device to ship to Germany after its launched if you don't pre-order as demand would most likely be there.20:25
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DocScrutinizer05I'm however interested in that completely obscure "ltd ed. jolla " and "the-other-half" stuff that for all I can tell might be everything from a virtual eligibility to buy a jolla phone, to a developer edition plus special hardware kbd snapon20:33
thedead1440the hw kbd snapon seems intriguing indeed20:34
DocScrutinizer05and same time I feel like getting cheated by exactly this policy to offer stuff that's not defined, and even ask for a substantial 100 bucks down payment while not even warranting that this will get me the best available price for the product once it ships20:35
GeneralAntillesThe risks of pre-ordering20:36
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: BTW, when I registered (for the $0 package), I hit a LOT of website bugs20:38
divVerentlike, it told me for all username attempts that the name is already taken20:38
divVerentended up with 7 confirmation mails in my inbox...20:38
divVerentand then I had NO preorder, but ONLY the account, with zero data in it except for email and password20:38
DocScrutinizer05optimized for MSIE20:38
divVerentwell, apparently they hate Chromium20:38
divVerentso I then went there AGAIN, logged in by "check my orders", then ordered again (this time, the user/pass fields were gone)20:39
DocScrutinizer05abysmal appearance20:39
divVerentso it actually affected my account then20:39
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DocScrutinizer05sounds exactly like my experience when trying to register to, or forum.meego or any other meego site20:40
DocScrutinizer05turned out it only works with FF with *standard* cookie settings and security policies20:41
DocScrutinizer05and only if those settings been in effect on your very first visit of the page, otherwise some never-expiring expired session-validation cookie threw you back to login inevitably20:42
DocScrutinizer05no chance to register or login to that website until you deleted that session cookie20:43
DocScrutinizer05(FF default settings would have done that for you on closing FF)20:43
DocScrutinizer05since that's been pretty identical for and *.meego, I guess they used exactly same "framework" on jolla now20:44
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Sc0rpiuspromoting to extras-testing doesn't really work, does it?21:11
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kerioSc0rpius: merlin1991 is, afaik, MIA21:12
Sc0rpiusoh, is he in charge of those kind of issues?21:13
keriohe's in charge of repos21:13
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