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sixwheeledbeast~kerio00:46
infobotrumour has it, kerio is <sixwheeledbeast> ah kerio, you beauty00:46
sixwheeledbeastrumour has it?00:46
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what those 6 wheels might be01:22
sixwheeledbeast~wiki Dodge T-rex01:23
infobotAt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_T-Rex (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox automobile |name = Dodge T-Rex |image = |manufacturer = Dodge |production = 7 units total{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}} |model_year = 1997 |class = concept vehicle |engine = {{convert|8.0|L|cuin|0|abbr=on}} 20-valve 90° MagnumV-10 |transmission = Chrysler 47RE |front axle = Dana 60 |middle axle = Dana 60 |rear axle = Dana 60 |brakes = Front: disc, Rear: drum |tires = ...01:23
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DocScrutinizer05ooooh!01:32
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sixwheeledbeastI always wanted one01:33
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sixwheeledbeastonly 7 made :(01:33
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sixwheeledbeastgn #maemo01:40
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DocScrutinizer05gn01:43
DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/2fe9a78f10  <-smart :-(((01:43
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DocScrutinizer05HMMMM http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=8552215#post8552215  I must have pulled a lemon02:03
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eccerr0ris there a way to change the behavior of keyboard longpress to get the blue character? (like, instead of dumping the new character and then deleting the original, delete the original first then dump new character?)03:01
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DocScrutinizer05huh?03:03
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eccerr0rwhen you longpress it gives the white character, then the blue character, then escape bracket escape bracket C or something like that03:03
DocScrutinizer05I don't like that stuff, have changed it to sane autorepeat03:04
eccerr0rheh03:04
eccerr0rthat would be useful too03:04
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools03:04
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools03:04
eccerr0ri find i have to type symbols a lot, and if it would just do backspace and then the blue character, it would work for typing in passwords.03:05
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DocScrutinizer05particularly passwords should get typed in a unambiguous manner03:16
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DocScrutinizer05if you need a symbol, press the bluekey qualifier03:16
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robbiethe1stWell, DocS, any N900-killers out there yet?03:16
DocScrutinizer05killers?03:17
RiDrobbiethe1st a second N90003:17
robbiethe1stYou know, replacements, anything that actually comes close to the usability of a N90003:17
DocScrutinizer05aaah03:17
DocScrutinizer05nothing I heard of03:17
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RiDits hard nowadays to find flagship phones with hw keyboards03:18
RiDlet alone everything else :d03:18
robbiethe1stI know. It sucks.03:18
DocScrutinizer05indeed03:18
RiDon one side, i dont find virtual keyboard THAT bad, but i can't type without looking at it...without making mistakes03:18
DocScrutinizer05yep, exactly the point03:19
robbiethe1stWhat's sad is that even Nokia's Swipe interface is more intuitive than Android, and that's a couple steps behind my N900 :\03:19
eccerr0rtyping in numbers into something that doesn't use readline also would be nice.  and even some GUI applications appears to break with longpress...  I just find it annoying to type + where you have to move both hands to the left to type them.03:19
RiDand then the keyboard eats half of the screen03:19
RiDterrible for long texts03:19
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robbiethe1stLet alone posting page-long comments on Slashdot03:20
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DocScrutinizer05eccerr0r: you're aware that you can press+release blue qualifier key? It's sticky for next keypress03:27
DocScrutinizer05you don't need to press+hold bluekey while typing a symbol03:27
RiDdouble pressing it blocks it too03:28
DocScrutinizer05yep03:28
DocScrutinizer05just like shift03:28
RiDbut then you have to click again to deactivate, and thats many additional clicks03:28
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DocScrutinizer05with awesome keymap it comes in handy for typing IP addr03:29
DocScrutinizer05with default keymap it sucks03:29
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RiDlet alone regional keymaps. you dont even have all the arrows03:29
robbiethe1stNote: This only sometimes works in Web input fields. I find that on Slashdot, when the input box is created by JS, I can type into it, but lock-presses of shift/alt doesn't work. Tapping on the input field "selects" it and then the alt keys work as expected.03:29
robbiethe1stReally confused me the first few times03:29
RiDrobbiethe1st i hate some of these sites where you type and it has a 6 second delay03:30
DocScrutinizer05prolly qt shit03:30
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eccerr0rtrue, the sticky key works, I just wish there was visual feedback it was pressed, sometimes I hit it by mistake and the next button I press it produces the wrong character...03:57
RiDeccerr0r great idea. using the led indicator could be nice03:58
eccerr0rcan that be done for both blue and shift?03:59
RiDif its possible for one of them, why not the other one?03:59
eccerr0rhmm.. oh the annunciator LED, thought you mean the keyboard backlight..04:00
RiDoh04:00
eccerr0ryeah the annunciator LED would be fine04:00
RiDkeyboard backlight has 6 leds04:00
RiD...i think04:00
eccerr0rthe keyboard backlight is useless in bright light anyway :D04:01
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RiDhaha indeed04:01
RiDand it makes my keyboard damn ugly by the night04:01
RiD(it's horribly worn off)04:01
eccerr0rah.04:01
RiDannunciator led (w/e it is called) would be nice: yellow for shift and blue for blue key04:01
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: note that the stickiness of fn is very toolkit-dependent04:25
kerioit doesn't quite work in qt (which also doesn't like custom layouts), and it doesn't work at all, for instance, in fennec04:26
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LokiChaosis there some way to change the colors (16 basic ones) in osso-xterm w/o restorting to recompiling it?04:32
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DocScrutinizer05((<RiD> eccerr0r great idea. using the led indicator could be nice)) well, I suggested exactly that over a year ago. alas it's not exactly simple to implement04:44
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sixwheeledbeastlike the caps lock indicator idea, shame it's not that easy to impl.10:24
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MohammadAGAnyone have any experience with 3rd party laptop chargers?13:38
MohammadAGNot sure if I should go for the Müller or GP one http://en.ksp.co.il/?select=.268..1070..681.&list=1&sort=2&glist=0&uin=0&txt_search=&buy=&minprice=0&maxprice=013:38
MohammadAG(90W ones)13:38
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SpeedEvilI just had q generic one die of 'old age' after 12 months or so13:45
SpeedEvilnot impressed13:45
SpeedEvilto be fair, the cpuiple of laptop chargers - third party - I've diasasembled - are not as unsafe as cheap usb chargers13:46
SpeedEvilthat is saying about as ,much as 'may contain traces of dog' in a beefburger though13:47
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keriomy left earbud broke :(14:16
kerioi have to buy new headphones14:16
MohammadAGSpeedEvil: so you'd suggest I get an OEM one?14:18
MohammadAGNeed a battery too, mine doesn't hold charge and my POST says I have to replace iy14:19
MohammadAGThinking of a 12 cell extended battery if I can find it in Israel14:19
DocScrutinizer05~moo14:20
* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass14:20
SpeedEvilfor older laptops, a small percentage chance of issues with a power supply doesn't matter14:21
SpeedEvilfor a new £1800 one, it does14:21
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: you can't probably change # of cells of your laptop battery14:21
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05: HP has a standard and extended battery14:22
MohammadAG6 vs 12 cell14:22
SpeedEvilthere tend to be different sized batteries ...14:22
DocScrutinizer0512 = 2* 6 I suppose14:23
MohammadAGI tried using a netbook adapter that has the same plug but a lower current and W rating, laptop refused it14:23
DocScrutinizer05~6*3.714:23
infobot22.214:23
DocScrutinizer05sounds familiar, eh?14:23
kerio?14:23
DocScrutinizer05~12*3.714:23
infobot44.414:23
DocScrutinizer05not so much14:23
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MohammadAGDon't get your point tbh :p14:29
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MohammadAGWell the OEM charger is out of stock and I kind of need to power on my laptop14:33
DocScrutinizer05nm, you'll not find "wrong" number of cells anyway14:33
ShadowJKmy 6 cell laptop battery is 7.2V, 3 in parallell in series with 3 in parallell14:35
DocScrutinizer05wow, weird14:36
MohammadAGHmm, its $160, makes me reconsider14:39
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ShadowJKA battery I disassembled from a HP laptop was 2P * 3 for 11.1V14:41
ShadowJKOne pair was totally dead and had ejected its guts, second pair was dubious, and third pair was worn, but had acceptable voltage14:42
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at that eeePC14:42
SpeedEvilseries /parallel is usual in laptops14:43
DocScrutinizer05it been ~6 months old, when I left it in suspend-to-RAM for a week, to find battery *dead* after that14:43
kerio:s14:46
keriosmartbatts ftw14:46
keriobut, you know, sometimes shit just fails14:47
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ShadowJKmy samsung netbook has about 15% remaining after STR for a week15:04
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Uno-mashello18:16
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peterbjornxis it possible to prevent the n900 from almost freezing when doing large writes to eMMC18:20
peterbjornxafter the first 500 to 2000mb it goes to 99% IO time in top and even simple shell commands take a while to execute18:20
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DocScrutinizer05~botsnack18:27
infobotDocScrutinizer05: :)18:27
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sixwheeledbeastbloody phone line18:36
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kerio~ping18:50
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keriosixwheeledbeast: ha, infobot likes me more than you18:50
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infobotkerio: aw, gee18:50
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sixwheeledbeastkerio: doubt it's infobot, how many ping's can you see? I count 1518:51
kerio418:51
keriono, 518:51
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sixwheeledbeastphone line issues when windy, drops the dsl.18:52
peterbjornxloose contact somewhere lol18:53
peterbjornxdoes your country still use those above-ground phone lines?18:53
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peterbjornxanyone got a solution for the slowing down of emmc writes18:56
keriommh18:58
sixwheeledbeastloose contact plus miles away from the exchange18:58
keriopeterbjornx: ShadowJK has some tweaks18:59
keriohigh queue/nr_requests and 0 queue/iosched/slice_idle18:59
keriohigh as in 1024 or more19:00
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peterbjornxwhat does that mean19:03
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peterbjornxi thought the issue was it queueing too much before blocking the write and writing19:04
peterbjornx36473+0 records in 36472+0 records out 149389312 bytes (142.5MB) copied, 15.103608 seconds, 9.4MB/s 195422+0 records in 195421+0 records out 800444416 bytes (763.4MB) copied, 515.061280 seconds, 1.5MB/s19:04
peterbjornxis just ridiculous19:04
keriopeterbjornx: what are you writing there? zeroes?19:05
peterbjornxyes19:06
peterbjornxmaking a fs image19:07
kerioset slice_idle to 0 and make the queue bigger19:07
keriopeterbjornx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5677102/ i have this at the end of my /etc/init.d/rcS19:08
kerioright before the "exit 0"19:08
kerio1268776960 bytes (1,3 GB) copied, 72,0904 s, 17,6 MB/s19:08
keriowriting zeros19:08
kerioon ext4, though19:09
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peterbjornxkeiro, thanks: it sped it up a LOT19:32
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peppermy apt sources.list has some problems. Its throwing me a conflicting dsitribution error and  KEYEXPIRED errors ever since the repo change.19:55
pepperwhat would be the best way to fix this?19:55
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psychologewhy i can't receive large file from my ubuntu computer21:12
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pepperpsych, how are you trying to transfer them? maybe the connection times out.21:18
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