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freemangordonPali: seems there are sane guys on the kernel ML after all :)12:49
PaliI read mails12:49
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vi__What is the law in Germany WRT to running diesel cars on vegetable oil?14:22
warfareAs long as your car can handle it, there should be no problem.14:23
kerioare olives a vegetable?14:25
vi__You do not have to pay tax or something?14:25
vi__kerio: olive is a fruit.14:25
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keriogood point14:25
vi__just like tomatos14:25
warfarevi__: Nope. Rapeseed Oil isn't mineral oil, so you don't have to pay tax.14:25
warfarehttp://www.poeler.net/modules.php?name=Tankstation has a list of rapeseed fuel stations.14:26
vi__Wait, what.14:26
vi__You have actual veg oil filling stations??14:26
warfareYep. And it has the lower VAT of 7% instead of 19%.14:27
vi__Well shit.14:27
vi__So how much is 1l of veg oil in Germany?14:27
warfarearound 65 cents?14:28
vi__???!!!!14:28
vi__!!!14:28
vi__!14:28
vi__!!!14:28
vi__WTF14:28
vi__how??14:28
warfareThis stuff grows everywhere?14:28
vi__In the UK it is generally around 1.18 euro and only if you find a special deal.14:29
vi__We get shafted from every direction over here.14:29
warfareOh, sorry, current price is 82 cents/l14:30
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warfareDiesel is at around 1,40€/l14:30
vi__Cost of living goes up up up, wages remain static :|14:30
vi__Diesel is 1.71 euro here.14:31
vi__We all need energy to live our lives and private companies have us by the balls.14:32
warfaremy next central heating gets some panels on the roof and photovoltaics.14:33
vi__Yeah.  Paint your roof black as well.14:33
* kerio laughs at people trying to keep their house /warmer/14:35
vi__kerio: it is 8deg in my bedroom.14:36
vi__I need all the heat I can get.14:36
* warfare had below zero for the last few weeks outside. 14:36
vi__It has been below zero for a week or so now, I meant 8deg INSIDE the house.14:36
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warfarevi__: you're from uk?14:41
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kerio22°C in my bedroom14:48
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vi__Scotland.14:51
kerioitaly! :D14:52
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freemangordonvi__: what, 8 deg IN THE ROOM?!?14:56
freemangordonomg, I am freezing if the temperature in my room fall below 2514:58
* freemangordon runs14:58
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jargonis there any decent Whatsapp for the n900?15:07
thedead1440jargon: Yappari15:07
jargonthedead1440: i'm reading the yappari thread on tmo and it doesn't seem stable?15:08
thedead1440jargon: it is stable only media sending is failing currently same on Wazapp N9 due to Whatsapp having updated their protocol yet again15:09
jargonthedead1440: i see15:10
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jargonwhere do i install it from? is it in the repos or do i need to download a .deb?15:12
thedead1440see the first post of the thread; it should be stated15:13
jargonahh yes. deb,then15:14
ShadowJKvi__; need better house15:17
* ShadowJK 's room stays at 20C if it's warmer than -5C outside, if I have my comoputer running15:18
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jargonwhat is NITDroid?15:23
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vi__Yes, I need a better house.15:36
vi__I do not know how somone, with good conscience could build such an inefficient piece of shit.15:36
vi__It is worse than skype for the n900.15:36
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ShadowJKWithout the PC on I'd need a fire once a day in the fireplace15:47
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* SpeedEvil is insulating his house properly.16:07
SpeedEvilI'm hoping to not need heating.16:07
SpeedEvil>25cm of insulation on all sides, a couple of hundred tons heat storage, and solar gain.16:08
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cehtehnow you need aircon in summer to cool it down :P16:13
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M4rtinKRzR: just got word from the Mer/Nemo mobile people that the MeeGo COBS might be shutting down soon17:30
SpeedEvilcehteh: it's Scotland17:30
M4rtinKRzR: they also already migrated their stuff17:30
SpeedEvilmore seriously, air-air heat exchangers work either way17:30
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norayrdid anyone use Qt mobile hotspot?17:58
norayrIt works fine, the only problem I have is that I can connect to it only with other n900 or N810. Not with laptop. I have tried 3 gnu/linux laptops.17:59
norayrI don't remember now the problem exactly. I believe laptops can see the SSID but cannot associate with it.17:59
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norayrI have changed channels and it did not help.18:00
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norayryeah. I tried it again. I cannot change channel. Just it does not associate. And channel is 1. May be this is a problem.18:10
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: vi needs a huge computer maybe?18:31
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: you built a jacket for your house?? o.O18:33
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ShadowJKno18:34
DocScrutinizer05norayr: *hotspot does fake AP, it's actually not infrastructure mode but adhoc mode18:40
keriothere's no "association" in adhoc mode, is there18:41
DocScrutinizer05so your PC might fail to search for AP (which have infrastructure mode), rather you need to associate to hotspot in adhoc mode, maybe even by manually entering the data for that connection18:41
DocScrutinizer05yes, what kerio said, there's no such thing like associate for adhoc mode18:43
DocScrutinizer05also adhoc doesn't support any powersaving-mode (PSM), thus your client's WLAN chip will eat quite some energy18:44
kerioare you sure about this last thing? iirc there was something about the clients roundrobining the role of the AP, wrt power saving18:45
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DocScrutinizer05o.O18:54
DocScrutinizer05can't see how that would work18:54
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DocScrutinizer05in theory a adhoc peer could announce those sleeping periods and send out beacons just like an AP does in infrastructure mode, but I doubt any client's WLAN chip firmware was able to handle that, since it's not supposed to exist18:56
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DocScrutinizer05or let me put it this way: if a adhoc peer would do all this, then it probably isn't an adhoc peer anymore, but a true infrastructure AP18:59
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DocScrutinizer05if N900 could make the WLAN chip send true beacons and all that (aiui only feasible in raw mode, or with support from wlan chip firmware for infrastructure mode), then we wouldn't need that botch withh adhoc mode19:00
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DocScrutinizer05I might be wrong, but that's what I seem to know19:01
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Woody14619FWIW: JoikuSpot puts the N900 into AP mode.  So it's possible.19:14
keriodoes it?19:16
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DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: citation needed19:41
PaliWoody14619, n900 HW does not support AP mode19:41
Pali(ehm, support, but firmware is missing)19:41
Woody14619I run Joikuspot and it shows up as an AP client.19:41
PaliWoody14619, maybe only ad-hoc19:41
PaliAP for sure not19:42
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Woody14619No... It's quite clear.  Windows makes a big fuss over AP vs Ad-Hoc clients...19:42
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PaliWoody14619, maybe with packet injection driver you can simulate and create fake AP19:43
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keriothe joikuspot user guide has screenshots from windows that clearly show adhoc mode for the joikuspot network19:44
Woody14619It loads a single module to my knowledge... JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko19:44
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: yes, packet injection basically is raw mode19:44
DocScrutinizer05so it's not necessarily a "fake" AP19:45
kerioSome laptops (depends on the laptop vendor) may require that you allow “Computer-to-computer (ad-hoc) networks only” for JoikuSpot.19:45
PaliJoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko is driver which enabling NAT+packet forwarding19:45
Pali(because nokia kernel does not have iptables enabled)19:45
Palithat driver is replacement for joiku19:45
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, so is there any SW which can simulate AP mode?19:46
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I don't know19:46
DocScrutinizer05packet injection just occured to me, haven't thought about it before19:47
Woody14619testing now...19:47
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freemangordonPali: did you see the last mail from Tony?19:50
Palifreemangordon, yes19:51
freemangordontoldya, there are sane guys :D19:51
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Woody14619So apparently iPads don't indicate mode.  Windows does show it at ad-hoc.  My bad.19:55
kerioi'm surprised your ipad can connect to it at all19:56
Woody14619Most times I've used it, it's been to supply internet to iPeople, and it shows up as AP for them (or rather, iDevices don't distinguish connection type).19:56
thedead1440kerio: iPads have no issues connecting to ad-hoc; its droids with the issue19:56
kerioah yes19:57
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GI_Jackso, gpg and otr on maemo, whats a good way to do this?21:18
keriootr for what?21:21
keriognupg is already installed21:21
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GI_Jacksecure ims21:27
GI_Jackand gpg support for email, and other stuff21:28
GI_Jackgpg is installed for apt-, but it is not implemented21:28
GI_Jackotherwise21:28
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keriohm, maybe your best bet for IM is to install a different IM client21:30
keriolike pidgin, maybe21:30
GI_Jacktrying qutim21:30
GI_Jackjust installed the firefox ver of https everywhere21:35
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DocScrutinizer05[general notice] we had a problem that broke mails from tmo, wiki, other subsystems to a small number of mail addr that actually do exim sender-verify-callout. This is fixed now22:44
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