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ShadowJKGood night03:38
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xavinuxHi people, I have a Nokia N9 and would like to know how can helpin the project09:32
xavinuxknowledge of Lynux packaging09:33
xavinux*Linux packaging09:33
thedead1440xavinux: maybe ask in #harmattan? Rzr on that channel maintains a repo in which he does quite a lot of packaging from Debain's armel repos for the N909:35
xavinuxok thanks for your answer thedead09:38
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: seriously, why didn't you guys ban "$a:Estel" too?18:16
DocScrutinizer05kerio: eh?18:16
keriooh nvm18:17
kerioi misread18:17
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DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote: what do you think how many fingerprints a skilled chanop can still gather about a user and his IRC client, even when said user tries to hide his identity18:19
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: irrelevant - how many fingerprints can a skilled freenode ircop gather about a user who repeatedly ban-evades on an "official" channel?18:21
kerioat some point, you just report and wait for the k-line18:23
DocScrutinizer05not that I'd care too much about such silly games as answering to self18:23
RiDwouldn't k-line be kind of useless, unless you wanted to ban the whole ISP?18:24
DocScrutinizer05after all it sheds some light on psyche of the individula that does such weird games18:24
DocScrutinizer05individual even18:24
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RiDwow, WinSCP and N900 are hating on me today18:57
RiDconstantly disconnecting *sigh*18:57
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eddybwl1251 firmware is a piece of cake (raw ARM image), but I've found out it mostly uses Thumb20:09
eddybwhich is the reason I wasn't seeing too much ARM code in cmt-mcusw - they are using Thumb there, too20:10
eddybI figured out part of the mcusw header, it's a u8 type; u8 length; u8 content[length]; kind of deal20:10
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DocScrutinizer05you probably can "reuse" lots of general info found out for other BB5 phones' firmwares20:38
DocScrutinizer05after all NOLO is just forwarding/sending a rather standard (kermit? zmodem?) BB% firmware image to cmt, since cmt is using same format for flashing new firmware, no matter which interface it comes in20:41
DocScrutinizer05so cmt-mcusw is probably largely identical to the firmware image phoenix would flash directly to cmt via the testpoints under battery, and also mostly identical to other firmwares phonix would flash to other BB5 based phones via F-Bus20:42
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DocScrutinizer05or USB20:43
DocScrutinizer05but honestly it's a mostly useless futile effort, since cmt firmware is signed20:44
DocScrutinizer05so you can't patch a single byte of it20:45
DocScrutinizer05best you can hope for is to find easter-eggs20:45
DocScrutinizer05or gain a better understanding of how ISI works20:46
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: best we can hope for is a way to exec() something else20:49
eddybyeah, that's what I thought20:51
eddybremote execution exploits20:51
eddybso the sections make a bit more sense now:
eddybfirst number is offset in file, a weird offset follows, then actual length20:52
DocScrutinizer05no way to execute something in cmt20:54
eddybyou can send data and receive from it, right?20:55
eddybthat data has to be parsed20:55
eddybone small buffer overflow bug that never showed up in production because the same guys wrote both communicating ends20:55
DocScrutinizer05and then?20:56
eddyband then you have remote code execution20:56
DocScrutinizer05no you don't20:56
eddybyou can do at least ROPs20:56
infoboteddyb meant: you can do at leat ROPs20:57
DocScrutinizer05afaik code on modem gets executed directly from NAND, you don't have any executable RAM areas20:57
eddybDocScrutinizer05: ROP doesn't need executable RAM20:57
eddybyou craft a function-call-by-return that "happens" when the function exploited returns20:58
eddyb*function being exploited20:58
DocScrutinizer05so what?20:58
DocScrutinizer05execute what then?20:58
eddybI'm not really sure, but it's close to being turing-complete20:59
eddybyou can start poking around20:59
DocScrutinizer05nfc what you're talking about20:59
DocScrutinizer05but you can't execute code that doesn't already exist on cmt20:59
DocScrutinizer05for all I know20:59
DocScrutinizer05not to mention you also got a physical separation of secure and non-secure hardware all over whole ARM SoC which BB5 actually is21:01
DocScrutinizer05I don't know if BB5 firmware is using secure world of ARM21:02
DocScrutinizer05you might be able to find a way to edit the cmt's filesystem, which is basically an area where config data gets stored. So you could unlock SIMlocked devices *maybe*, or ruin the TX or audio calibration. But that's it, really21:04
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DocScrutinizer05afaik even IMEI is hardcoded and not in filesystem21:07
DocScrutinizer05anyway, good luck21:12
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders *what* code was worth getting executed on cmt, *if* there was a way to inject arbitrary code21:13
DocScrutinizer05except for changing IMEI and unlocking SIMlocked devices I can't figure a single useful hack21:14
DocScrutinizer05RF scramblers can get built more easily and cheaper21:15
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DocScrutinizer05and for eavesdropping other GSM devices near to you, you better use a modem with all of sourcecode available and easily tweakable, since for such usecase quite massive tweaks are needed21:16
DocScrutinizer05afaik the wizards at osmocom-bb managed to turn a calypso-cmt based cellphone into a single-user BTS basically. Wouldn't even start to ponder if that's even possible for BB5-cmt21:20
keriowoah, that's neat21:20
kerioand... illegal?21:20
DocScrutinizer05sure - LOL21:20
DocScrutinizer05highly illegal... to operate such device21:20
kerioit's legal to do so in a private place with your own equipment, i hope21:21
DocScrutinizer05as long as you work with a dummy-load instead of an antenna21:22
kerioi'll swear i'll use a really tiny antenna!21:22
infobotkerio meant: i swear i'll use a really tiny antenna!21:22
eccerr0rfun with regexps21:26
DocScrutinizer05she can't do regex21:26
eccerr0rdarn.  was about to try a backref to see if it would work :p21:26
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: she noway do regex21:27
kerioeccerr0r: backticks to eval are also fun, with perl21:27
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: shE can't do rEgEx21:28
ZogG_laptopthat chan would be always alive :)21:28
DocScrutinizer05s/x/x. All she knows is /g. And she has a timeout for the buffer of last regular post - after some minutes it gets discarded/21:30
eccerr0rnext is whether it's closer to perlre or sed regexps...21:30
eccerr0r(or other flavor...)21:30
DocScrutinizer05it's no regex21:31
DocScrutinizer05it a simple string-substitute, with an extension to get /g working. And it won't accept *any* special chars, or any other delimiters than /21:32
eccerr0rthat's no fun.21:32
DocScrutinizer05which btw is really strange since iirc she's written in perl21:34
eccerr0rprobably not a good idea to eval it anyway.  it's tainted.21:35
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keriooh really21:43
kerioit's "probably" a good idea to not eval remote input?21:43
eddybstr.replace(new RegExp(regex, flags), replace_with)21:45
eddybif you don't care about \/ inside a replace pattern, then you can just split('/') and use the three parts21:46
eddybeval for regexp sounds like waaay more trouble than it's worth21:47
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NIN101Pali: ping21:55
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NIN101I'm preparing a new rescueos release and want to include the Wifi firmware now. I think you once send me a link regarding that, do you remember?21:57
NIN101nevermind, finally found it in the logs21:59
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NIN101ok seems the licence in that tarball does not say you will be nuked if you use it somewhere22:02
NIN101and since nitroid has been shipping it for a while I guess there shouldn't be any problems....22:02
keriois it the same firmware, down to hashsum?22:02
NIN101I'll check22:03
NIN101yes it is22:06
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NIN101I have completely recompiled everything to use uclibc22:12
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NIN101saves tons of space etc.22:12
eddyb-Os and thumb?22:12
freemangordon-Os is a bad idea ;)22:13
freemangordonit saves some bytes, but performance-wise it is awful22:13
eddyb-O2 or -O3 then?22:14
NIN101I have used buildroot for that, tbh wasn't smart enough to check the options, should be rather irrelevant anyway for rescueOS...22:14
freemangordon-O3 enables -ftree-vectorize if -mfpu=neon is given22:15
eddybI've seen -O3 turn a recursive fibonacci into a hundred or so instructions22:15
NIN101but was -Os22:15
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PaliNIN101, I have modified rescueos to work on 3.5/3.8 kernels22:15
freemangordonand gcc auto-vectorizer sucks on ARM IMO22:15
Palimaybe you can include some patches22:15
eddyblike, it converts the recursive form into a loop of some sort, then it unrolls the loop22:16
eddybfreemangordon: you should use 4.8 then :)22:16
freemangordoneddyb: hehe. I'll wait zeq to build it for scratchbox first :)22:16
NIN101Pali: hmm, I don't think a new kernel changes much for rescueOS, but what did you change?22:16
Palisome in init scripts22:17
NIN101Pali: I'll create a git repo with all configs and scripts.22:17
freemangordonPali: hi. I have a problem which might be related to your patches to audio policy.22:17
NIN101you can make a pull request then, is this ok?22:17
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PaliNIN101, ok22:17
Palifreemangordon, where is problem?22:18
Paliin prolog?22:18
freemangordonPali: volume is set to zero, with fmtx enabled and BT HF attached, after I end a phone call22:18
freemangordonPali: But I am not sure if it is not HF itself, I lost my old one, this one is new.22:19
freemangordonPali: I installed everything from cssu-devel :)22:19
freemangordonPali: which package I should downgrade to verify where is the problem?22:19
Palifreemangordon, try to downgrade policy-settings-rx5122:19
freemangordonPali: ok, I will22:19
Palithis contains prolog file and alsaped config which was changed22:20
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PaliNIN101, my changes: add my userspace watchdog kicker (usefull for kernel with nowayout=1), handle power button (to turn off device), fix brightness sysfs (in 3.9 kernel it has same names as in maemo 2.6.28)22:22
freemangordonPali: hmm, why CSSU-T and cssu-devel contain one and the same version? didn't you push a newer in -devel?22:23
luffreemangordon: as I remember it's one time (quiet old) fix22:24
RiDoh oh, 0bytes free in my phone22:24
Palifreemangordon, policy-settings-rx51 was compiled by cssuT by merlin199122:25
Palidowngrade to nokia version22:25
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freemangordonPali: but then it couldn't be policy-settings-rx51 at fault22:25
freemangordonif it is in cssu-t since forever22:25
RiDno wonder winscp was showing errors22:26
Palifreemangordon, only that package was changed for audio policy22:26
freemangordonhmm, we had a bug then :(22:27
freemangordonhowever, I'll test with stock22:27
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luffreemangordon: fell free to create new bug (but first take a look in old bugs - I remember there is one with BT + jack)22:30
NIN101Pali: cool. Will most likely include some of it in 1.1 (doing 1.0 now, and want to release it first)22:30
freemangordonluf: it was working fine with my old HF. just downgraded, will test for a while to see if it makes any difference22:31
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freemangordonluf: it is the same :(22:33
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freemangordonthough i should find a wait to reliably reproduce it22:34
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DocScrutinizer05NIN101: please consider that some users might want to modprobe somecruft.ko of injured system on rescueOS22:35
DocScrutinizer05for example if /home was on $leete-new-fs.ko22:36
DocScrutinizer05absolutely no stringent rationale why for a rescueOS you'd need bleeding-edge kernel22:37
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NIN101so you mean it should run on maemo's 2.6.28?22:40
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freemangordonluf: hmm, that bug might be a PEBKAC :D22:40
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infobotPEBKAC: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.22:41
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luffreemangordon: I'm curious which "that" bug :D22:41
freemangordonluf: it seems I have accidentaly set volume in mplayer to zero22:41
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luffreemangordon: good for you ...22:42
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freemangordonwill test for a while to see if that was the problem :)22:42
luffreemangordon: two days ago I reported problem in one repository while I wrongly excluded packages using *something* :D22:42
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NIN101in any case, I simply can't be bothered to make it fly with 2.6.28 now. Whoever uses somecruft.ko can go into mass storage mode and mount his stuff on his computer.22:43
freemangordonluf: but hey, now you know what PEBKAC is :D22:43
luffreemangordon: I know such kind of "bugs" for very long time ;) But not in english ...22:45
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eddybok, wtf22:51
eddybthis is UTF-16 or UCS-2 or wchar_t22:51
eddybbut it doesn't make any sense22:51
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eddybit's definitely not english22:51
eddybfor the sake of the logs, the madness starts at 0x00049010 in mcusw22:52
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freemangordoneddyb: IDA?22:59
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eddybthe DSP code is not ARM nor Thumb, so I won't bother23:00
eddybsomeone just told me IDA has some support for DSPs. but I won't try now23:01
freemangordonhmm, seems I am missing something, but what DSP has to do with cmt FW?23:02
freemangordonor it is not THAT DSP :)23:02
eddybfreemangordon: about a third of the firmware is code for some internal DSP23:03
freemangordonaah, ok, not THAT dsp then :D23:04
* kerio would be hard pressed to find a fs driver for linux that's not in mainline23:06
kerioand FUSE doesn't count23:06
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: cmt DSP23:15
DocScrutinizer05or probably rather "the radio stack"23:16
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah, got it. It is just that when I read DSP in the context of n900 I always think about C64x23:17
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: eddybthinks since RE of cmt firmware is particularly difficult and particularly cumbersome, it must be particularly useful ;-D23:18
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DocScrutinizer05I still haven't heard what purpose a RE'ed cmt firmware would serve23:19
eddybDocScrutinizer05: hmm. do you think a RE'd wl1251 firmware would serve any purpose?23:21
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Palikerio, reiser4?23:48
Palieddyb, wl1251 FW does not have AP mode support23:49
Palibut wl1251 HW has some AP support...23:49
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kerioPali: oh come on, nobody uses reiser423:53
Palikerio, or spadfs23:53
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kerioanyway, reiser4 isn't supported by kernel-power anyway23:55
kerioand neither is spadfs23:55
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Flyserkerio: tux323:56

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