| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: didn't I tell you exactly that weeks or months ago? | 00:00 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i meant for the particular problem we have with the latest battery applet | 00:00 |
| kerio | in general yes, hald-addon-bme should provide values that are as accurate as possible for all programs | 00:00 |
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| kerio | the modified battery applet also does its own thing sometimes, though | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since nobody else is supposed to access bq27200 or bme directly | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and the only right way to implement bq27x00.ko would be to pair the sysfs 'upper' end with something exactly like i2cget interfacing to /dev/i2c on the 'lower' end | 00:06 |
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| grummund | it seems that just changing the font size in xterm will toggle the arrow | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I've never seen a hover arrow | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or do you mean the button? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the button only appears when you got more lines than can display on screen. Otherwise scroll mode is meaningless, so automatically "hover mode" and no button | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, open new xterm, press enter. Watch cursor position and buttons | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when cursor hits bottom line, next enter will make highlight button appear and display scroll | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course when you change fontsize, your number-of-lines on screen also changes | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so eventually a display will suddenly have lines to scroll on larger font, while with smaller font all lines fit on screen | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once you got the idea, it's pretty straight forward to understand | 00:22 |
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| grummund | hey yeah that's right! :) | 00:28 |
| grummund | so now i'm just a bit confused about what the arrow is used for and how. | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it switches between highlight mode and scroll mode | 00:30 |
| grummund | ah got it | 00:30 |
| grummund | so highlight mode is on by default if the arrow isn't shown | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:31 |
| grummund | understood, yay :D | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 00:32 |
| kerio | i think that it also gives you the choice if there's a program that understands mouse input | 00:34 |
| kerio | but i'm not sure if it's just because those usually fill up the whole terminal | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | like top? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top doesn't make a difference here | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clear also makes no difference | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reset makes any scrollbuffer disappear and so also the button | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, mouse input | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, mc makes button vanish | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mc toggles some xterm mode | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also on your desktop xterm | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on desktop your scrollbar disappears or fills 100% | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no scrolling allowed, no scrollbar nor a scrollmode-button on N900 | 00:42 |
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| kerio | terminals are a crapshoot anyway | 00:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 suspects mouse mode and application vs text mode | 00:51 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | halebop:/etc # man xterm|wc -l | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5109 | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | halebop:/etc # man xterm|grep -c mode | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 88 | 00:53 |
| kerio | hehe | 00:54 |
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| Snafu777 | Getting 302 errors with the repo, anyone else? | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could anybody create a decent factoid answering this? | 01:08 |
| Snafu777 | Hrm? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's #1 in recent FAQ | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just we have no fritten FAQ | 01:09 |
| Snafu777 | Oh, heh, just figure I'd ask :) | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | written* | 01:09 |
| Snafu777 | So what's up? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hashsum error? | 01:09 |
| Snafu777 | Yep | 01:10 |
| Snafu777 | And temp move of respire | 01:10 |
| Snafu777 | Resource | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hashsum errors are in extras-devel (and mirrors, except merlin's mirror) and are introduced by a yet-to-spot age old bug in builder | 01:11 |
| Snafu777 | So can I trust the debs I was able to grab? If so, how would I grab the. Proper md5 for diff comparisons? | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes. And dunno | 01:12 |
| Snafu777 | K | 01:12 |
| Snafu777 | Thanks for the info Doc | 01:12 |
| Snafu777 | U da man | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use merlin's mirror, it's supposed to be hashsum-bug free | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 01:13 |
| infobot | i guess mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ | 01:13 |
| kerio | not that one | 01:13 |
| kerio | extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo mirrors is also extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fu! | 01:15 |
| infobot | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+#maemo mirrors is also extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 01:16 |
| infobot | at http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/mirrors/familiar or at ftp://ftp.easynet.be/familiar/releases/ is a dangling redirection. | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal mirrors | 01:16 |
| infobot | "#maemo mirrors" is "<reply>see mirror" | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal mirror | 01:16 |
| infobot | "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/" | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get it :-S | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo mirror is also extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 01:17 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 01:17 |
| infobot | methinks mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 01:17 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues a dangling redirection | 01:19 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'a dangling redirection' by value returned no results. | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/mirrors/familiar | 01:19 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/mirrors/familiar' by value (2): mirror ;; familiar mirror. | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~_default mirror | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status | 01:20 |
| infobot | Since Tue Feb 5 16:30:17 2013, there have been 8 modifications, 190 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 92 commands. I have been awake for 4d 6h 50m 33s this session, and currently reference 118920 factoids. I'm using about 23388 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1237.63/23.8 child 0/0 | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH | 01:21 |
| merlin1991 | done highlighting me? | 01:22 |
| kerio | merlin1991: your fault for being egocentrical with your domain | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha | 01:23 |
| merlin1991 | bah | 01:23 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 01:23 |
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| warfare | qwazix: I'll take a look at stopping downloads. | 02:37 |
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| warfare | qwazix: I changed some parameters, can you monitor the issue for me? (send me an email, if anything else fails) | 02:47 |
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| qwazix | warfare, thanks I'll check on it tomorrow and ping you here, please query me your email please if possible too | 03:15 |
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| teotwaki | man | 04:19 |
| teotwaki | sifting through 2TB worth of data | 04:19 |
| teotwaki | using Perl :) | 04:19 |
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| playsin | hey guys, would anyone know why my n900 appears to be charging but the battery still goes dead? | 06:58 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you mean by goes dead | 06:59 |
| SpeedEvil | and how old is the battery | 06:59 |
| playsin | the battery doesn't charge | 06:59 |
| playsin | 2 days old | 06:59 |
| playsin | i had the same problem a week ago | 06:59 |
| playsin | so i bought 2 new batteries | 06:59 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh | 06:59 |
| SpeedEvil | you're charging from the wall charger? | 07:00 |
| playsin | yeah | 07:00 |
| SpeedEvil | have you tried another charger? | 07:00 |
| SpeedEvil | and/or cord | 07:00 |
| playsin | nortti, i only have one | 07:00 |
| playsin | no*, i only have one | 07:00 |
| SpeedEvil | do you have a cord to plug into a PC? | 07:01 |
| SpeedEvil | does that work? | 07:01 |
| playsin | yeah i have a cord for the pc | 07:01 |
| playsin | it works but it's the same thing, the n900 screen shows it's charging | 07:01 |
| playsin | but it really isn't | 07:02 |
| SpeedEvil | there are unfortunately limited options. in principle you might try flashing | 07:03 |
| SpeedEvil | it may be a hardware failure though. | 07:03 |
| SpeedEvil | is the USB jack unreliable? | 07:03 |
| playsin | yes, the usb sucks | 07:03 |
| playsin | when i was updating maemo it kept disconnecting because of the usb | 07:04 |
| SpeedEvil | it's possible you have a USB connector in the process of falling off | 07:04 |
| SpeedEvil | in principle it can be soldered down again, but... | 07:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | charge21.sh | 10:40 |
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| eccerr0r | anyone have guesstimates what's the chances of a microusb breaking, or MTBF of failure if it's doomed to fail? | 10:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you're not interested in the 5k or 10k mating rounds it's specified for | 11:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chances for N900 microusb receptacle breaking and coming off the PCB are: (personal-hulk-factor + plug-nasty-factor) ^ you-got-one-of-the-weak-N900-factor / 4242 per unmating event | 11:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: on a more honest and helpful note - never apply bending or non-axial force to your USB plug, I.E. don't stumble over the cable, don't let the N900 drop when plugged to USB, don't lay it on the desk with any object under the plug, and take care when unplugging to not apply any force perpendicular to the plug/cable axis, and you may never see it fail. | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never place N900 on soft deep surfaces like sofa, bed, pillow etc | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when USB plugged in | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when typing while plugged, make sure to not support the device with your (left) hand on plug | 11:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and consider: | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix | 11:20 |
| infobot | usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: ^^^ | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: basically MTBF of N900 USB and this http://www.arnstadtkristall-shop.de/out/pictures/master/product/1/5637.jpg are quite identical to guestimate | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the relevant factors differ slightly between the two, but the basic formula is identical | 11:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though, unlike for the latter object, for the N900 you can do something to massively increase the MTBF. See ~usbfix thread | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the latter object all you can do is: take care and use rarely. Same works for N900 USB as well | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/take/handle with great/ | 11:29 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: for the latter object all you can do is: handle with great care and use rarely. Same works for N900 USB as well | 11:29 |
| kerio | but... i have to charge about once per day :( | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, and I *do*, since err 4(?) years now, without any problems | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I got a (probably) pretty special way to unplug USB from N900 though: with my left thumb's fingernail I slide in between plug and N900 body at the "lower" small side of the plug, hold the "upper" small side of plug with my index finger first joint, then pry out the plug by counter-clockwide motion of my thumb. I don't even need to hold the N900 body during this action | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's virtually impossible to apply destructive force to USB recepatcle this way | 11:39 |
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| * kerio pulls from the cable, taking care to pull straight | 11:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also a good method, particularly for those without fingernails :-) | 11:40 |
| kerio | i have fingernails, but i also have an otterbox | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best general advice: never grab the plug at the wide sides, like everybody would usually do | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best you never even touch the side with USB logo and the backside | 11:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "everybody"? | 11:44 |
| kerio | how the hell do you fit your finger between the plug and the table? | 11:45 |
| kerio | there's not nearly enough space | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pressure on logo side with as little as 100g force might already destroy the receptacle | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: huh? | 11:45 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to grab the plug from above and below | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I never do | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's exactly what I just deprecated to ever do | 11:46 |
| kerio | my point is that it's kinda impossible | 11:47 |
| kerio | unless you've got really tiny fingers | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you pick up the N900, fool | 11:47 |
| kerio | :O | 11:48 |
| kerio | you can do that?! | 11:48 |
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| kerio | anyway, now i'm worried about the pressure exerted by the rubber thing that closes up the musb port when not in use | 11:48 |
| kerio | i need a dynamometer | 11:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what worries me are occasional results like >>So 10. Feb 10:09:10 CET 2013 real 3m14.792s<< for >>echo -n "`date` "; (time wget -p --no-cache --delete-after http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware -q ) 2>&1 | grep real<< | 12:01 |
| Hurrian | wow, loads of ways to pull the USB cable from the N900. | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | despite firewall not being locked or tired | 12:01 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: its weird; during that time mine shows 7s :p | 12:01 |
| Hurrian | Personally, I have the device rest against my chest, looking at the USB port when looking down, then squeeze it out with a thumb and index finger. | 12:02 |
| Hurrian | speaking of which, I got a (not so new, but acceptable) N900. | 12:02 |
| kerio | yay | 12:02 |
| kerio | Hurrian: do you also cuddle with the n900 a bit afterwards? | 12:03 |
| Hurrian | kerio: If I had a N900-shaped body-size pillow, I would. | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: yep, squeezing out on the small sides is also a good method I often use, but it's hard to explain to the motorically disabled ;-) | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I'm not sure where from those glitches come | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: occasional package loss? | 12:06 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: could be those same network issues which make me give you false alarms :D | 12:06 |
| thedead1440 | could just be a bad connection due to ISP etc | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, but shouldn't that also show with my usual activities on PC? | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like googling, ircing etc | 12:08 |
| thedead1440 | not too sure; could be a server side thing or isps on both ends | 12:08 |
| * kerio has a 60ms end-to-end RTT to freenode | 12:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a 3min+ connectivity dropout would hardy go unnoticed | 12:08 |
| thedead1440 | like you said occasional packet loss | 12:08 |
| thedead1440 | since the past 8 hours i'm getting between 7-8s even though it seems faster doing it via browser | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, we're already in the process to get rid of that friggin firewall completely | 12:09 |
| thedead1440 | there have 4 anomalous results during this time of 10, 10, 28 and 20s | 12:09 |
| thedead1440 | yup the faster its gotten rid off the better :D | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably I'll move my mini-watchdoggie to lists.m.o then ;-P | 12:10 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this friggin thing seen 2 total lockups during last 3 weeks, and nobody knows what been wrong | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bootable only via "console" | 12:11 |
| thedead1440 | well leave it its 2weeks+ before its gotten rid of so fight your other battles :p | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we already should make a decision pro IPHH and push board to nod off the server move | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | taking into account board decision finding speed, it's already too late | 12:13 |
| thedead1440 | what's stopping it then? Council is in favour so just get hifo to sign it off | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll drive it tomorrow | 12:14 |
| kerio | thedead1440: nobody knows wtf hifo board is doing | 12:14 |
| thedead1440 | kerio: they are doing things? o.O we thought they do nothing :-p | 12:14 |
| thedead1440 | well except for puttign up road-blocks | 12:14 |
| thedead1440 | putting* | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, board is dealing with all the bureaucracy that sneaks in with legalese stuff. I'm not up to judge on this | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure though if involvement of real lawyers into the process speeds it up or slows it down | 12:16 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: competency+abilities can't be judged by just being "real" | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway those guys at HiFo deal with Nokia and Nokia's lawyers, something I rather wouldn't like to do | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but for us mere mortals, HiFo decission processes are usually just too slow | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter who's to blame for that (probably Nokia) | 12:20 |
| * thedead1440 bites his tongue | 12:21 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so, tomorrow I will try to reach out to rest of council and to warfare and our sysop-volunteers in spe, and try to promote request for signing off move of server to IPHH | 12:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm convinced it's our best option, even compared to OSUOSL | 12:23 |
| thedead1440 | indeed; EU over the US anyday | 12:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's about time to get 2nd migration step kicked off | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got another 18 days to accomplish *everything* | 12:24 |
| xes | 'mornig... | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shipping allone will take 2..3 days I guess | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: morning | 12:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | another 2 days to initiate shipping, another 2..3 for paperwork with IPHH, installing server to rack and installation/setup/config of system | 12:27 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: ideally you get approval by Tuesday, Wednesday shipping is initiated and next week migration proper begins | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this makes already 7 days *normal* case, before we even can *start* migration of the VMs | 12:27 |
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| kerio | how long will the shipping take? | 12:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: this calculation of mine did _not_ include HiFo sign-off delays | 12:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nor weekend delays, e.g during shipping | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: warfare quoted 300EUR for UPS, 47 for DHL | 12:29 |
| kerio | i didn't know time could be measured in eur | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so speed is reciproque to that I guess | 12:30 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 12:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean reciproque | 12:30 |
| kerio | time is money | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err speed is analog, time is rezi | 12:30 |
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| kerio | it's not money⁻¹ | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I estimate 'next day' delivery for the 300EUR UPS shipping | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a week for DHL 47EUR offer | 12:31 |
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| kerio | hm, UPS is more convenient | 12:31 |
| xes | humm ...usually dhl asks 47 euro for a box of matches... | 12:32 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: you could go to finland, grab the servers and travel back to IPHH too since you are in need of a break anyway :p | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare assumed 40kg for this critter | 12:32 |
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| kerio | thedead1440: 40kg is quite heavy though | 12:33 |
| kerio | he'd take a long time | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: haha, good plan, but the tickets will be even more than 300 | 12:33 |
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| kerio | oh, you want to take the plane? :s | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and 40kg is too much for luggage | 12:33 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wear it | 12:34 |
| thedead1440 | kerio: you plan to kill him early? :p | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yeah, should actually fit into hand baggage | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it's a 2U rackmount | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, once I planned to carry a R&S CMU200 from TPE to Germany | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so this critter can't be as hard as that | 12:36 |
| thedead1440 | that R&S thingie is cool | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and friggin cheap when refurbished: only 20k to 40k$ | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new it's more like 150k | 12:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and for some tests you like to have two of them. Or three ;-D | 12:41 |
| thedead1440 | didn't TPE have some cheap knock-offs of it | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas all the refurbished ones back when were "not siuted for 3G, since base processor too weak" (according to R&S service) | 12:42 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you actually own one of those? | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so in the end I didn't use a single penny of my montly 20k budget for hw purchases | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nope | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see above | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also questioned the proper duty cycle of such a machine here in Germany in my home lab | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | such a machine needs to get used, at least a dozen times a month, otherwise you're better off leasing or renting it, or outsourcing whatever you want to get done | 12:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and 50% of time I been in Openmoko's TPE headquarters&lab at that time, anyway | 12:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but... it's really cool | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where we had 3 or 4 of them | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's actually a phone and BTS emulator | 12:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | using 2 CMU200 as phones and one as BTS you probably can actually establish a call | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (comes with handset ;-D ) | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, the audio extension does | 12:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how good is the reception? | 12:54 |
| kerio | :D | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see datasheet | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather TRM | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is several 1000 pages | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weight and volume of printed docs > CMU200 itself | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I *could* look it up for you, since I still have all the pdf versions on this very laptop, but honestly I'm too lazy | 12:57 |
| kerio | nah, don't bother | 12:57 |
| kerio | does it have an internal antenna, or do you have to use an external one? | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only external ant | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's lab equipment | 12:57 |
| kerio | so it wouldn't be very practical as a cellphone huh | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yea, also no battery operation | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they usually use special vans to drive those critteres around | 12:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | those with lotsa antennae on the roof | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: any experience with shipping servers? | 13:03 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: yes... the server we have is already assembled? | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, dunno. It's still not unboxed. OP | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sitting at Nemein office | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess it will be "mostly assembled", maybe minus the HDD or sth | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which should be hot swappable plug in | 13:07 |
| xes | usually the safest way should be ship it with a pallet putting disks in a protected box | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but when it comes to shipping: it's already boxed for transport | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm more interested in a commonly used special transport option or whatever, if such stuff exists | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like "only use 'UPS server transport', ever!" | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know for micros like size of a fridge, ther are special companies only transporting delicate equipment like this | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | much similar to when you have a piano to move | 13:12 |
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| xes | no, the only options i know is insurance and pallet (to avoid courier's "kick") | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's piano movers for that | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: many thanks | 13:13 |
| xes | or internal company couriers..but it's not our situation | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 13:14 |
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| xes | if you order 50k euro of ibm server i can ensure that ibm uses their couriers ;) | 13:14 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=419828 | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess when Nemein re-uses the packaging the server came in/with, and we put proper insurance on it, we will be fine | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: yes, or those special IT movers | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as subcontractors. At least Siemens does | 13:16 |
| xes | so they are going to ship the server empty as arrived? | 13:17 |
| kerio | was the server tested? | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I'd guess the builder should have tested the server | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sd69/Rob requested a 24h burnin from Nemein. I dunno if it's wise (I mean it, I dunno) | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: (link) 2005, USA, baseline:"we don't know either" | 13:32 |
| qwazix | I can't believe that 47eur figure from dhl either | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 13:32 |
| qwazix | (just read backlog) | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's what warfare checked up "for me" during 10 min | 13:33 |
| qwazix | 470 would sound less surprising | 13:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DHL De-Fi 40EUR+~100EUR insurance, 6 working days. Max weight 31.5kg | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for Fi->De I probably have to use their finnish website :-/ | 13:41 |
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| xes | am i wrong or with dhl you have also to specify the size of tha packaging to calculate the price? | 13:43 |
| qwazix | What's the biggest package in extras? | 13:43 |
| MetalGearSolid | Updated from cssu7.1-thumb0 to cssu7.2-thumb0. After re-start hildon-status-menu and pulseaudio are stuck at very high cpu usage. Any way to resolve ? | 13:43 |
| kerio | qwazix: as in the size of the single deb? | 13:43 |
| kerio | MetalGearSolid: "stuck" how? | 13:44 |
| qwazix | kerio, yes, I'm trying to test the timeout | 13:44 |
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| qwazix | but rmo is lightning fast today and xorg isn't big enough | 13:44 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: ping | 13:44 |
| kerio | qwazix: the rootstraps are ~40M | 13:44 |
| kerio | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/ | 13:44 |
| qwazix | hm? I'll try that but I would prefer to do it via apt-get. They've made some specific config for maemo vs browser uploads AIUI | 13:45 |
| MetalGearSolid | hildon-status-menu constantly using 60% cpu and pulseaudio at 30%. Just restarted. | 13:45 |
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| xes | qwazix: the biggest seems to be jammo-data ~746MB | 13:47 |
| qwazix | xes thx | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: here DHL says "60*60*120cm max" | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.dhl.de/de/paket/pakete-versenden/weltweit-versenden/laenderseiten/finnland.html | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.dhl.de/de/paket/pakete-versenden/weltweit-versenden/paket.html | 13:53 |
| Aoyagi | Oh "pakete"! I don't know why I read "perkele" :D | 13:54 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: size should be enough, weight has to be verified,,, 31 kg is not so much | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 13:56 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will we need more equipment? | 14:03 |
| kerio | i don't know how colocation works | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, we just need the additional drives warfare specified | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4TB for the server, plus some drives for $somewhere, for backup, aiui | 14:08 |
| kerio | i meant something like a monitor, or a kvm switch | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for UPS: Fi(HEL)->De(HH) 5h:970EUR; 6.5h:903EUR; 14h:843EUR; 80h:320EUR | 14:11 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, noob steps to build embedlite? :) :) | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: already integrated | 14:12 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: follow the instructions | 14:12 |
| freemangordon | they work | 14:12 |
| freemangordon | almost :D | 14:12 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: you'll need python2.7 from extras-devel installed in SB | 14:13 |
| qwazix | instructions here? https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central | 14:13 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: export PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.7 | 14:13 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, ok | 14:13 |
| freemangordon | before builing | 14:13 |
| freemangordon | lemme check | 14:13 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: here https://wiki.mozilla.org/Embedding/IPCLiteAPI#Development_Build_instructions | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (UPS) that's for a package of a asumed size 80*60*60; for palette they don't offer online pricing | 14:14 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, thx. I'll ping you if I get stuck | 14:15 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: ping me when you are on embedlite-components step, I'll help you to build it | 14:15 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: sure | 14:15 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: maybe that nemein has a subscription with some courier. If we ask them to organize the shipping for sure we may obtain a better price and they could ask for the pallette option when calling for the pick | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-10 13:27:25] <mashiara> The current packaging is fine I think, as for shipping I have no idea right now | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-10 13:28:42] <mashiara> well, it's full-lenght 19" rack server, 2 units and lot's of padding | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-10 13:29:18] <mashiara> maybe 12-15kg in weight | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-10 13:39:27] <mashiara> it's about 10-15cm padding per direction | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-10 13:27:43] <DocScrutinizer05> is the current packaging a palette? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-10 13:27:48] <DocScrutinizer05> or a package | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-10 13:27:52] <mashiara> package | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020830.html golden post of Igor from 2009 about N900 USB hostmode - just stumbled across it in my bookmarks. | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily I never took this for the last verdict on the matter, and rather did my reading between the lines. Otherwise probably no H-E-N today | 15:28 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hey, it's true | 15:33 |
| kerio | the n900 has no host mode | 15:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | indeed | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | everything said by Nokia was sort of true | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it hasn't. What Paul and me and a lot of others made possible is a lame simulation of hostmode | 15:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a fairly decent one, though | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, about as decent as it gets | 15:36 |
| kerio | it just needs a bit of hardware support in the form of a self-powered hub | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, not necessarily | 15:37 |
| kerio | to do proper usb thingies | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though it makes things a lot easier to handle, yes | 15:37 |
| kerio | like enumeration | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enumeration usually works, once the speed got set to correct one | 15:38 |
| kerio | i mean automatic enumeration | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nothing automatic in our lame emulation | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a hw limitation | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | speed detection and connect detection don't work. Period | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | automatic enum needs connect detection | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're driving each valve of the engine manually, thru all 4 strokes | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess we could streamline the kernel drivers for better bandwidth on USB though | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also I suspect there are still glitches in tear down of hostmode, regarding proper shutdown of buses and controllers/interfaces | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, development in anything like that is a rather deadend story, since N900 USB is so special you can't re-use anything of it | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got from "impossible, forget about it" to "you better eboot after using hostmode". I'm fine with that | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just "since it's Sunday"? ;-P | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/a5cd756228 http://privatepaste.com/034f857f49 *shrug* | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (FW reboot) | 15:59 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wtf | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wtf? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need the scripties that produce that? or just a general "wtf" without further bothering? | 16:05 |
| kerio | just a general wtf | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that I care too much | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more lockups of fw since I run those doggies | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the few reboots where you wonder "wtf id did THAT now?" are no real concern | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I admit a cronjob probably would serve same purpose, but more embarrassing | 16:07 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders to move the "local" watchdog tickler to cloud7 and create a livelog there, available via http ;-) | 16:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which would be the first of above 2 links then. But then, who really cares? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, since this chan is so quiet ;-) | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:~> cat `which tickle-the-fw ` | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #!/bin/sh | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while sleep 300; do echo -n "`date` "; (time wget -p --no-cache --delete-after http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware -q ) 2>&1 | grep real; ssh -oConnectTimeout=4 -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw ./reboot1; done | 16:15 |
| qwazix | which mirror doesn't have hash sum problems? | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 16:18 |
| infobot | mirror is probably http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 16:18 |
| qwazix | thanks | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 16:18 |
| qwazix | btw there are hash sum errors on testing too | 16:19 |
| qwazix | (but what I want now is on devel so merlin's mirror should be enough) | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: you know of a proper google docs time&project-planning tool where you could write up a time schedule for next 2.5weeks re server move and migration? | 16:20 |
| qwazix | hmm, spreadsheet maybe, don't know any other tool | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 16:21 |
| qwazix | I can create gantt style chart in spreadsheet | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know of google docs, so if you'd be willing to create something, a template at least. I might find the time to fill in the flesh | 16:21 |
| qwazix | Ok, you'll have it by tonight. Estimated time to ship? | 16:23 |
| qwazix | (for the server hw) | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the question we want to answer from that sheet | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to calculate backwards form final deadline 2013-03-01 | 16:24 |
| MetalGearSolid | Something went wrong with my pulseaudio after updating to 7.2cssu-thumb0. No sound in device and hildon-status-menu hangs possibly due to volume control applet. Any advice ? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | place abstract workpackages in, with dependencies, and we can assign changing timespans for completing those packages, and see what it gets us | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | MetalGearSolid: what is your libxml2 version? | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | MetalGearSolid: also, how did you upgrade? | 16:25 |
| MetalGearSolid | Updated repo's to that mentioned on dummies guide in HAM | 16:26 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, seems Planner is the tool for the job but that's offline | 16:26 |
| freemangordon | MetalGearSolid: do you have cssu-devel enabled? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: the 3 last parallel alternative workpackages ending at 03-01 are: integration-test on [IPHH | Hetzner | OSUOSL] | 16:27 |
| MetalGearSolid | no | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in three lines. from there go left and correlate interim deadines between the 3 lines | 16:27 |
| MetalGearSolid | how do i check libxml verison | 16:28 |
| freemangordon | dpkg -l | grep libxml | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | leftmost workpackage for all three lines is: evaluate which hoster to pick, this workpackage already started and is common for all three alternatives. We'll see which alternative will make it end first | 16:29 |
| MetalGearSolid | 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thum0 | 16:29 |
| freemangordon | that's ok | 16:29 |
| freemangordon | MetalGearSolid: check if your pulseaudio and libpulse versions are the same | 16:30 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, found a nice tool for gantt on google spreadsheets, I'll check it out | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: many thanks | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: I intend to push the server move issue tomorrow. Entities to get involved: sysops, Council, Board | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E council and sysops/me will make a decision tomorrow what we suggest to board, then do that suggestion and ask them to hurry on decision making | 16:33 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, mozembed build aborts with zlib.error: Error -3 while decompressing data: incorrect data check | 16:33 |
| qwazix | Is it a known error? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, if we find out we have another 5 days for evaluation of alternatives left over, we will use them | 16:33 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: no. | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: what do you build? mozilla-central? | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | xulrunner package that is | 16:35 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I doubt we have 5 days if we include the improbabilities but I'll do the chart and we'll see | 16:35 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, yes | 16:35 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: are you on cssu-thumb? | 16:35 |
| freemangordon | in SB? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: I guess we have 5 days at least... *missing* | 16:35 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, yes. pastie.org/6109937 | 16:36 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: you did export PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.7, ain't? | 16:39 |
| qwazix | I did | 16:39 |
| qwazix | And I installed python2.7 from devel | 16:39 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: NFC, something is broken in your SB | 16:40 |
| freemangordon | how do you try to build it? with dpkg-buildpackage -frakeroot -b? | 16:41 |
| qwazix | ok, it well may be. Thanks I'll try to fix SB or reinstall it | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | *-rfakeroot | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: try "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" | 16:41 |
| qwazix | no, dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b -nc -d | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | try ^^^ | 16:42 |
| qwazix | (copied from moz wiki) | 16:42 |
| qwazix | ok | 16:42 |
| freemangordon | it is for harm, I don;t think it will work in fremantle SB | 16:42 |
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| qwazix | It needs -d too (because of debhelper) but still the same error | 16:42 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: no, it should not need -d | 16:43 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: are you sure you are on the latest source? | 16:44 |
| freemangordon | git pull, please | 16:44 |
| qwazix | I just cloned git://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central.git | 16:44 |
| freemangordon | why do you need -d then? | 16:44 |
| qwazix | already up to date | 16:44 |
| qwazix | (maybe it's another branch?) | 16:44 |
| freemangordon | what happens without -d? | 16:45 |
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| freemangordon | qwazix: ooh, you need to checkout embedlite branch | 16:45 |
| qwazix | without -d it complains: Unmet build dependencies debhelper<=7 | 16:45 |
| qwazix | without -d it complains: Unmet build dependencies debhelper***>=7 | 16:45 |
| qwazix | ah ok | 16:45 |
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| qwazix | nah, already on embedlite | 16:46 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: dpkg -l | grep debhelper | 16:46 |
| freemangordon | ii debhelper 7.0.15-maemo2 helper programs for debian/rules | 16:46 |
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| freemangordon | this is what I have here | 16:46 |
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| qwazix | I have 5.0.42-0osso1 | 16:47 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: are you sure thisi is fremantle SB? looks like diable :P | 16:47 |
| freemangordon | *diablo | 16:47 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: debhelper 7 is in maemo-extras | 16:48 |
| qwazix | The sb is from harmattan, with fremantle target. Just did apt-get install debhelper and it installed 7.0.15 | 16:48 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:48 |
| qwazix | Hadn't done apt-get upgrade after adding extras :) | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: sb from harmattan?!? | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | well, try it now | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | btw do you have cssu-thumb and cssu-testing repos enabled? | 16:49 |
| qwazix | nah, same error. Yes I did the whole set up of thumb toolchain step by step and all went ok | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: did you do apt-get upgrade with extras-devel enabled by cjance? | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | *chance | 16:50 |
| qwazix | I don't think so | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:51 |
| qwazix | Let me check for sure | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: try "rm .gitignore; git clean -df; git reset --hard HEAD" | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | and tell me on which commit is your head | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | your error looks like data corruption | 16:53 |
| qwazix | no, no upgrade after devel | 16:54 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: what is your zlib-bin and zlib1g versions? | 16:55 |
| freemangordon | *are | 16:55 |
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| qwazix | head is now at 9166c60 Correct thumb detection to debian/rules | 16:55 |
| freemangordon | that's fine | 16:56 |
| qwazix | zlib-bin 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13maemo1+0cssy1+thumb0 | 16:56 |
| qwazix | zlib-bin 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13maemo1+0cssu1+thumb0 | 16:57 |
| freemangordon | that's fine too | 16:57 |
| freemangordon | I am out of ideas. But i'd still blame your SB | 16:57 |
| qwazix | zlib1g the same | 16:57 |
| qwazix | Ok I'll install the fremantle one from scratch | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: you'd better use vmware image | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | afaik harm and fremantle SB cannot coexist | 16:58 |
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| qwazix | I just read reports of people running both simultaneously so I thought it would work. | 16:58 |
| qwazix | I mean same sb two targets | 16:58 |
| qwazix | I think I'll install another OS in a partition, I hate VMWare | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | well, up to you :) | 16:59 |
| qwazix | ok, I'll probably be busy with Migration later today, so probably tomorrow for embedlite | 17:00 |
| qwazix | thanks a lot for help | 17:00 |
| freemangordon | np, hopefully today I'll finaly foind why clipping halves fps | 17:00 |
| freemangordon | *find | 17:00 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, going to get some food, I'll be back in an hour or so to set up the plan | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: fine with me | 17:11 |
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| phr3akDom | hi, i bricked my n900 (reboot loop, maybe some problem with new-installed version of Kernel-Power), so i need fiasco image, dont anybody know where to get it? :) thx.. | 18:00 |
| teotwaki | <eWer> Question: how can websited keep info about u, asfor example, your page views, etc.? I deleted cookies, cache, used socks4 proxy, still the website displays my pageviews as they were..? | 18:01 |
| teotwaki | <teotwaki> eWer: are you logged in? | 18:01 |
| teotwaki | <eWer> teotwaki, umn yess.. | 18:01 |
| teotwaki | <teotwaki> ... | 18:01 |
| teotwaki | <eWer> *facepalm* | 18:01 |
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| Migdar | /join #el-lnx Ellen's | 18:03 |
| Migdar | /join #el-lnx ellnx | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | phr3akDom: check skeiron mirror | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 18:18 |
| infobot | somebody said skeiron was the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 18:18 |
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| SD69 | hello | 18:47 |
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| kerio | hi | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi SD69 | 19:11 |
| SD69 | hey | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry i'm on the run to get some breakfast. Any questions we can answer in one sentence? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise I'll be back in 2h or so | 19:12 |
| SD69 | do we have a hosting offer from Hetzner? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, that's pretty commercial standard | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex10 | 19:13 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not even some discount for charity? :( | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: LOL | 19:13 |
| SD69 | they were recommended by mer | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: actually I didn't even ponder to ask for any discount | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, Hetzner is probably recommended by any european or at least german sysop | 19:14 |
| thedead1440 | for Hetzner one can contact re-sellers if they can give a better offer | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohnoes | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no resellers please | 19:15 |
| thedead1440 | however the last i checked with a few re-sellers for skeiron the direct pricing was much better | 19:15 |
| kerio | SD69: we have two *free* possibilities | 19:15 |
| thedead1440 | indeed DocScrutinizer05 Hetzner's support for clients from re-sellers is pathetic | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, another 5min, til I smoke my cig | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 19:16 |
| SD69 | free is iphh and ? | 19:16 |
| kerio | SD69: osuosl | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | osuosl | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 19:16 |
| SD69 | kinda like "pay what you can" | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually from my POV the IPHH offer is a no-brainer | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but anyway, qwazix will come up with a timesheet later, which I fill in and augment, and it will have our 3 true options | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably this will already suggest we should go for IPHH | 19:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a timesheet for the migration? | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since for osuosl we are way too late if we want to keep the 2013-03-01 deadline | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and IPHH conditions are at least as good as osuosl's | 19:20 |
| SD69 | nokia is slow with the contract | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia is a PIT* | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I understand that paperwork takes time... but soooo much time? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia knew about that since a year now | 19:22 |
| SD69 | we are getting pushback on the encryption key | 19:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a pain in the everything? | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they could've get their stuff sorted much earlier | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SD69: encryption key not really been expected to get handed out by them | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody ever hands out their encryption keys | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but aiui that's an issue for the SSU Nokia repos only | 19:24 |
| SD69 | we'll give them that, current issue is "all" software distribution tools | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tablets-dev.nolia.com is defunct | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokia* | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we really would like to be able to create fiasco images and emmc images | 19:25 |
| SD69 | I think we should not count on Nokia keeping anything up that is maemo-related | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, sorry have to run | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SD69: we got backups of almost everything, but obviously that's a lame substitute | 19:26 |
| SD69 | ok, cya | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | later | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shipping UPS HEL->Ohio osuosl: 48h:1200EUR, 7days:640EUR (excl customs) | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess CoLo at osuosl is out | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | This is roughly the same cost as shipping a microsd card HEL->Berlin with UPS ;-) | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, CoLo at osuosl never been on *my* list of clever things to ponder | 20:40 |
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| engblom` | The screen on my n900 broke by accident. Now I need to get the contacts saved from it (preferable in a readable form). What would be the best way? The touch is working, even though I can not see what I am doing. | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | engblom`: use AV cable and TV ;-) | 20:41 |
| engblom` | I am not sure I am having that cable... | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should work OOTB | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | cable was included in the box | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for doing real botch, you probably could go for a normal stereo cable to 2*RCAA/CINCH, then plug in to 2nd click (stop ~2mm before plug sits flush) and connect left chan to TV AV-in, right chan to audio (or leafe it open) | 20:44 |
| engblom` | I have the usb computer cable... at least. I got my n900 from work when another worker quit (inherited it) | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, most likely they deprived that cable from you | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it never comes with used devices | 20:45 |
| engblom` | Is there any program (preferable OSS, but in this emergency I will find a windows computer if that is needed) for getting the contacts out in plain text. | 20:46 |
| engblom` | I mean, through the USB cable. | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, if you have *any* 3.5mm<->cinch cable, plug the left/only cinch to your TV AV-in, then insert 3.5mm on N900 until picture appears | 20:46 |
| engblom` | I am not having a tv at all.. | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | engblom`: I dunno what NokiaSuite can do | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you got sshd installed on N900, you probably have a chance other than Nokiasuite or TV. Otherwise not | 20:48 |
| MetalGearSolid | NOkia Suite can get contacts, messages etc but N900 has to be in PC suite mode for that | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MetalGearSolid: :nod: | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it would need clicking blindly on the right spot on screen at the right moment | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the buttons are large, so it should be feasible | 20:49 |
| engblom` | I think I would manage to do that. | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's nokiasuite then, for you | 20:50 |
| engblom` | Yep, that will be the solution, if it can get the contacts. | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please consider to either repair or sell the broken N900, anyway | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it would be a pity to discard it | 20:51 |
| engblom | I am not sure I want to sell it as I will not be sure I get everything erased form it with screen broken. | 20:53 |
| kerio | boot rescueos via flasher, type yyy, connect via usb networking, make full tarballs of everything, buy new n900, unpack tarballs | 20:53 |
| kerio | oh, even better | 20:53 |
| kerio | boot rescueos via flasher, type yyy, connect via usb networking, make full tarballs of everything, flash_eraseall the rootfs, write zeros over all the emmc | 20:54 |
| kerio | those two things will make it highly unpractical to figure out anything you've ever stored | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no need to flasherase the rootfs, it holds no privacy data | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | erasing eMMC should suffice | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can be done with broken screen | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just do full reflash | 20:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't zero the emmc | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for full reflash, no screen is needed | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: meh, sure it does, it's at least supposed to | 20:58 |
| engblom | Full reflashing is leaving all pictures there (at least each time I have tried, they were left) | 20:58 |
| kerio | engblom: you need to flash VANILLA too | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 20:58 |
| kerio | your full reflashing is quite half | 20:58 |
| engblom | I did it, still it was left. I do not know what went wrong then. | 20:58 |
| kerio | you didn't | 20:59 |
| kerio | srsly | 20:59 |
| engblom | I know each time I flashed, I pulled down two images, and I flashed in the order they said on the page., | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flashing COMBINED, VANILLA, COMBINED, reliably resets stuff to factory defaults | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahahha, you probably forgot about your uSD, eh? | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "store pictures at: card" | 21:00 |
| kerio | ...i did | 21:00 |
| kerio | engblom: anyway, found the av cable? | 21:01 |
| engblom | Just the usb cable... | 21:01 |
| kerio | weird | 21:01 |
| kerio | did you buy it used? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why weird? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he got it from his company | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see backscroll | 21:01 |
| kerio | oic, i missed that | 21:02 |
| engblom | Anyway, I think I will get the contacts with windows tomorrow at work. | 21:02 |
| kerio | engblom: so is this your company's? | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, and when you're at it, remove your uSD, flash COMBINED and VANILLA (both can be done via NokiaSuite too, I heard) | 21:02 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: reflashing most definetely won't zero out the emmc | 21:03 |
| kerio | it doesn't take nearly enough time | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: bulk erasing eMMC is pretty fast | 21:03 |
| engblom | Hmm, maybe it is possible to dd over eMMC? | 21:04 |
| kerio | engblom: most definetely - you need terminal access though | 21:04 |
| kerio | and rescueos | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's also possible | 21:04 |
| kerio | engblom: hold on, can't you just sync your contacts right now? | 21:06 |
| engblom | kerio: I need a windows computer for that... So I will do it tomorrow when I get to my work. | 21:06 |
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| kerio | ...you never synced your contacts? :O | 21:06 |
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| engblom | Nope. I never did a backup of my phone (not what I am recommending) | 21:07 |
| kerio | ah crap, my phone doesn't boot | 21:07 |
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| kerio | :s | 21:07 |
| kerio | yay | 21:10 |
| kerio | apparently, noauto_da_alloc isn't understood by kernel-power's ext4 | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha >> the german magazine c't run an article in a recent issue about ubuntu phone/sailfish/tizen and identified as common denominator that all three cater to providers rather than end users (though those are the ones paying ...) -- ie whatever _potential_ freedom exists with those platforms will most likely _realize_ to only a very small extend, since providers are not interested in freedom uf use but their revenue, meaning they | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will limit choices and lock the system.<< | 21:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how would one bulk-erase the emmc? | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | dd zeros over it | 21:13 |
| kerio | how's that bulk? | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't | 21:13 |
| kerio | ...maybe that's why i was getting 17MB/s when writing zeros | 21:13 |
| tank-man | DocScrutinizer05, same with android, "freedom and openess" for the carriers so they can lock it down | 21:14 |
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| jacekowski | hammer? | 21:18 |
| jacekowski | xrays | 21:18 |
| kerio | jacekowski: and leave it working | 21:18 |
| jacekowski | xrays then | 21:19 |
| kerio | jacekowski: won't that also damage the controller? | 21:19 |
| jacekowski | it shouldn't | 21:19 |
| kerio | anyway, i doubt that flasher uses xrays | 21:26 |
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| trekky | hi | 22:41 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: does extkbd work properly with qt applications? | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | kerio: it should | 23:15 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, re "german magazine", that's why is really a pity that Nokia left the building. They were big enough to not have to be absolute carrier-slaves. | 23:17 |
| kerio | my modified xkb layout doesn't work | 23:17 |
| kerio | i have a feeling that qt does its own thing wrt keyboard input | 23:17 |
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