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| sixwheeledbeast | myname24: no, should be careful with devel is'all | 00:04 |
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| kerio | i'm still not sure why people are allowed to ship packages in -devel that are also shipped in dmnc/cssu | 00:05 |
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| myname24 | Sixwheeledbeast: that's why i asked here before upgrading | 00:11 |
| kerio | myname24: "it's old" doesn't necessarily mean "it's safe to upgrade" | 00:13 |
| kerio | it appears that it's a dependency in conboy | 00:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | myname24: what kerio said. | 00:15 |
| myname24 | You didn't understand me . Because i should be carefull with extra devel i came here to ask . | 00:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | dependency of eithier: conboy, sharing-twitter-multi, ecoach | 00:17 |
| kerio | sixwheeledbeast: including version? | 00:18 |
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| myname24 | I removed twitter widget because it didn't work and i found a newer version . | 00:18 |
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| myname24 | Sixwheeledbeast: btw extra devel was not enabled | 00:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | myname24: Yes, spotted that package is in extras. had a look through the changelog, it's an upstream release. | 00:42 |
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| kerio | ok, now i'm kinda worried | 01:29 |
| kerio | i found a bunch of corrupted symlinks | 01:29 |
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| kerio | mostly icons | 01:37 |
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| WizardNumberNext | kerio: I didn't look previously! I looked just now and it is dependency conflict. It complains about 'headset button enabler'. OK anyway I do not have headset with buttons yet, so bye bye awfull package | 01:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would be able to get cssu-testing in while | 01:55 |
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| WizardNumberNext | Wizard out | 01:55 |
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| kerio | ok, something in rescueos' e2fsprogs dun goofed | 02:44 |
| kerio | i'm back to ext3 for now | 02:44 |
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| eccerr0r | nice, got a gps lock really fast, must have been stale supl data... | 03:55 |
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| WizardNumberNext | migration to CSSU-testing successful. | 08:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | < out | 08:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tzzz | 10:00 |
| kerio | μ, doc | 10:01 |
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| trecky | hello | 10:04 |
| trecky | just compiled bitchx on my n900 - testing it - seems to work :) | 10:04 |
| trecky | whois topro | 10:04 |
| kerio | why not irssi? :/ | 10:05 |
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| trecky | irssi - have to try it - just knew bitchx from long time ago i used to use irc | 10:06 |
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| trekky_ | hola | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TX: cum: 239MB peak: 38.9Mb rates: 13.4Mb 15.5Mb 23.7Mb | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RX: 5.82MB 841kb 425kb 469kb 613kb | 10:08 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the worst seems over, doesn't it | 10:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 10:09 |
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| n900-dk | merlin1991: Are you having trouble building a new packages list for extras? | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: no, merlin1991is "afk" | 10:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | he will look into it this evening | 10:16 |
| n900-dk | excellent :) | 10:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~supl | 10:24 |
| topro | someone asking forme? | 10:24 |
| topro | for me | 10:24 |
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| kerio | "afk", aka sleeping | 10:25 |
| kerio | no, actually, maybe he's doing something | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo supl is <reply> supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen | 10:26 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 10:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | topro: kerio: ??? | 10:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: merlin1991 is on travel | 10:27 |
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| kerio | how dare he travel when we have packages to fix | 10:32 |
| kerio | the nerve of such people! | 10:32 |
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| kerio | ok, ext4 take 2 | 11:08 |
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| kerio | hahahahaha, this is magnificent | 11:22 |
| kerio | unpacking the optfs backup took less than a second | 11:23 |
| kerio | and now the sync is taking ages :D | 11:23 |
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| t4nk467 | hey guys, can you please tell me how can i install some cool games on my n900? | 12:08 |
| kerio | t4nk467: cool games as in...? | 12:09 |
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| t4nk467 | like need for speed and stuff | 12:10 |
| t4nk467 | like the cool games on apple...? | 12:11 |
| kerio | hahahahahahaahahaaaaahahahahaha | 12:11 |
| kerio | heh | 12:11 |
| kerio | :( | 12:11 |
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| t4nk467 | it's funny, right... can u say something or not? | 12:12 |
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| kerio | t4nk467: apart for angry birds, there's pretty much no native "mainstream" game | 12:15 |
| kerio | there's plenty of emulators | 12:15 |
| kerio | including stuff like dosbox or scummvm | 12:15 |
| joga | coolest games on n900 imo: install DrNokSnes and get some classic roms :p | 12:15 |
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| kerio | joga: which engine does it use? | 12:16 |
| t4nk467 | so there isn't games like those for androids and stuff | 12:16 |
| joga | I don't know the details, it backgrounds nicely but crashes in some cases | 12:16 |
| kerio | t4nk467: if you're willing to tinker a bit, there's a lot of the games for android :) | 12:16 |
| kerio | look up apkenv | 12:16 |
| kerio | it's an emulation layer for android games | 12:17 |
| t4nk467 | how can i install it? | 12:17 |
| kerio | read http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CD8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftalk.maemo.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D87496&ei=1dAUUerhN4uyhAe0yoG4Aw&usg=AFQjCNE7KnYXVkDGnMK1PwnC7sF-jywl4w | 12:18 |
| kerio | whoops, sorry | 12:18 |
| kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87496 | 12:18 |
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| t4nk467 | thanks, i'll read it | 12:19 |
| t4nk467 | sorry i cant get it... its an app for installing games or what? | 12:22 |
| kerio | kinda, yeah | 12:23 |
| t4nk467 | i dont know how to download it it and then install it | 12:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm he's gone. I was just about to honestly suggest he should consider offering a swap N900<->$android-phone here, if his N900 is in good condition | 13:01 |
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| kerio | would you take his hypothetical offer? :D | 13:04 |
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| ccxCZ | how much of non-free software/firmware would I have to leave in place if I didn't care for UI as long as I got working X11? | 14:04 |
| Hurrian | cczCZ: 0 non-free firmware. | 14:05 |
| ccxCZ | that's a good news | 14:05 |
| Hurrian | You can get to OMAP frame buffer without the firmware. | 14:05 |
| ccxCZ | what about audio and gsm? | 14:05 |
| ccxCZ | I don't care about gsm much, but I'd want working audio, wifi and powermanagement | 14:06 |
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| jacekowski | power management is done by closed BME | 14:07 |
| Hurrian | GSM can be interfaced with using Ofono, see how it's done on Nemo | 14:07 |
| Hurrian | Same with audio, it's done by snd-soc-tlvsomethingsomething. | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | firmware in rapuyama is closed though | 14:07 |
| ccxCZ | n900 btw | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | and audio is shit without some nokia modules | 14:08 |
| Hurrian | jacekowski, BME's not 100% needed though, if you can get Linux to properly manage processes, and if the kernel has proper Smartreflex layer support | 14:08 |
| jacekowski | smartreflex is broken as far as i know | 14:08 |
| jacekowski | and can't be fixed | 14:08 |
| ccxCZ | what's BME? | 14:08 |
| jacekowski | Battery Management Entitiy | 14:08 |
| ccxCZ | a separate chip? | 14:09 |
| Hurrian | nah, it's software | 14:09 |
| jacekowski | controlling BQ2410 | 14:09 |
| jacekowski | 24150 | 14:09 |
| Hurrian | jacekowski, freemangordon's done most of the tuning for SR, it works pretty okay on stock frequencies | 14:09 |
| Hurrian | Without BME, it even works perfectly fine on 2.6.28 kernel | 14:10 |
| Hurrian | The same cannot be said about the 2.6.37 Nemo kernel, or Skry's 3.x kernels | 14:10 |
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| Hurrian | It's about the board support for powering on/off some stuff, which is still missing, and likely will forever be missing | 14:11 |
| ccxCZ | well, for now I'd just like to strip out all unnecessary stuff that's proprietary, like replacing the stock player with mpd etc. | 14:12 |
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| Hurrian | ccxCZ: in that case, you're better off building a Debian rootfs to boot off | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | there is opensource player replacement | 14:12 |
| kerio | afaik only the ui is closed | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | by mohhamadag | 14:12 |
| kerio | and openmediaplayer is open :) | 14:12 |
| Hurrian | jacekowski, I think he's planning on going fully-FOSS system on the N900 | 14:13 |
| ccxCZ | I'd still prefer mpd :-) | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama is closed | 14:13 |
| kerio | good luck not blowing up your speakers and not having any kind of graphical acceleration | 14:13 |
| kerio | and also no gps | 14:13 |
| kerio | and no phone | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: wtf got SR to do with BME? | 14:13 |
| ccxCZ | the tracker/player combo here sucks badly | 14:13 |
| ccxCZ | getting stuck on loads of files on sd probably | 14:14 |
| jacekowski | nothing | 14:14 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, nothing, SR was just brought up as something broken | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-08 13:08:06] <Hurrian> jacekowski, BME's not 100% needed though, if you can get Linux to properly manage processes, and if the kernel has proper Smartreflex layer support | 14:14 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, I was talking about power management on the N900 - works okay without BME, as long as the kernel can properly manage the board's power | 14:15 |
| ccxCZ | well, I'm not going to throw stuff out anytime soon if that'd break usability | 14:16 |
| Hurrian | What does, and doesn't have proper PM is evident when running Nemo vs Fremantle | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: that's a rather weird statement | 14:16 |
| Hurrian | ccxCZ: A "free-only" Hildon-desktop would kill usability. | 14:16 |
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| Hurrian | You're likely looking at Debian Squeeze + 2.6.28 kernel + Ofono + Nemo dialer | 14:18 |
| ccxCZ | I'm fine with dwm and terminal. I don't care about gsm atm. But the rest of hw functions I'd like to keep intact, even if it means having cli-tools only | 14:18 |
| ccxCZ | mainly battery life | 14:18 |
| Hurrian | Well, IR, Bluetooth and WiFi would work (BT and WiFi needing firmware though). Battery life would be moderately okay under 2.6.28 and Squeeze. | 14:19 |
| Hurrian | I'd say 8 hours of moderate use, if you can get the screen to turn off. | 14:19 |
| ccxCZ | what would stock maemo last under your moderate use? | 14:20 |
| ccxCZ | I'm just looking at possibilities here | 14:20 |
| Hurrian | Hmm. 1 and a half day. | 14:20 |
| ccxCZ | that's a major downgrade then | 14:21 |
| Hurrian | The N900 never really ran perfectly with any other platform than Fremantle. | 14:21 |
| Hurrian | It's the tradeoff you assume when running a roll-your-own system. | 14:21 |
| ccxCZ | how much of fremantle has to be preserved to mantain such battery life? kernel + BME + nokia audio thingamajig? | 14:24 |
| Hurrian | Nobody really knows, although the magic sauce may have something to do with ohmd. | 14:26 |
| jacekowski | BME is only charging really | 14:26 |
| * ccxCZ really misses ipv6 | 14:26 | |
| jacekowski | so you don't need that for battery life | 14:26 |
| Hurrian | ccxCZ, Pali's patched icd2 for native IPv6 support. | 14:27 |
| jacekowski | does anybody know what happened to mohammadag? | 14:27 |
| ccxCZ | ohmd, icd2 ... too many acronyms :-( | 14:28 |
| ccxCZ | is there a comprehensive list of software components? | 14:28 |
| Hurrian | ccxCZ: the big ones: DSME, BME, icd2, ohmd, rtcom-*, hildon*, tracker and fmtxd. | 14:32 |
| ccxCZ | hildon is the ui/widget set, right? | 14:36 |
| ccxCZ | ok, it's clearer now | 14:37 |
| kerio | Estel_: i has a ext4 :D | 14:39 |
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| ccxCZ | how up to date is this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: he's a rare guest in those dark edges of IRC recently | 14:53 |
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| Hurrian | ccxCZ: that's quite confusing | 15:03 |
| Hurrian | but it's a pretty good, if unspecific list of closed crap | 15:03 |
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| ccxCZ | is there inotify in stock kernel? | 15:36 |
| teotwaki | doubt it. | 15:36 |
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| ccxCZ | I assume there's no easy way to build stock-like kernel with few more bits enabled | 15:38 |
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| cehteh | ccxCZ: why dont you just use the power kernel? | 15:42 |
| ccxCZ | because I don't know about it? | 15:43 |
| cehteh | haha .. ok google for it | 15:43 |
| cehteh | its in extras(-devel?) | 15:43 |
| cehteh | almost everyone uses it | 15:43 |
| ccxCZ | yay, looks great | 15:44 |
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| cehteh | if you dont know about 'backup menu' .. install that too btw | 15:44 |
| cehteh | (just to point out .. unfortunally you can not restore/rollback a kernel with it) | 15:44 |
| ccxCZ | got backupmenu already, thanks | 15:45 |
| ccxCZ | I guess I should set repositories back from backups to official ones first | 15:46 |
| ccxCZ | stable or unstable? http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power | 15:47 |
| cehteh | your decision | 15:49 |
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| ccxCZ | ah, I got -devel already so it will pull the testing one by default | 15:51 |
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| ccxCZ | hrm, got hashsum errors again, on http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel | 15:59 |
| ccxCZ | DocScrutinizer05: ↑ | 16:00 |
| ccxCZ | ~mirrors | 16:01 |
| infobot | i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: there are hashsum errors on all mirrors incl original r.m.o | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for some pkgs in extras-devel | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991 will look into it this evening | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those hashsum errors seem to date back as far as 2012-10-10, possibly farther | 16:03 |
| ccxCZ | so should I leave extras-devel on skeiron and the regular extras on r.m.o? | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno of anythin in skeiron being much better egarding hashsum issue | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one mirror might have hashsum errors with one set of pkgs while another repo might have a different set of pks that throw error | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik none is supposed to be 100% error free | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use whatever works for you, right ATM. We're about to investigate the issue | 16:05 |
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| ccxCZ | kthnx | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 16:06 |
| kerio | extras-devel.merlin1991.at is supposed to be 100% error free | 16:06 |
| kerio | :3 | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | how comes? | 16:14 |
| kerio | it's not a mirror | 16:14 |
| kerio | it's a rerepositorying | 16:14 |
| kerio | it builds its own Packages file | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just a mirror of r.m.o that has had errors since obviously months | 16:15 |
| kerio | nope | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k | 16:15 |
| kerio | at worst the import of the latest packages went wrong, but what's in the repo will work | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, my poor brain is running on limit of memory bandwidth since 8 weeks | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | memory as in RAM | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid it will start swapping soon | 16:17 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: ask Hetzner to add one more dedi to current set-up hence more memory would be gotten | 16:17 |
| kerio | haha | 16:17 |
| kerio | that would increase the memory requirements, not reduce them | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I'm not hosted at Hetzner | 16:17 |
| ccxCZ | I swap out constantly, that's why taskwarrior was one of the first things I got running on the n900 | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | skynet is a distributed network | 16:18 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 16:18 |
| ccxCZ | ah, install finished | 16:18 |
| kerio | Redundant Array of Inexpensive Robot Overlords | 16:19 |
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| ccxCZ | :D | 16:20 |
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| kerio | ? | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | j7k | 18:04 |
| kerio | what for? :( | 18:04 |
| Aoyagi | Advertising. | 18:04 |
| kerio | i can be more annoying if you want :3 | 18:04 |
| kerio | so you'll have an excuse | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, that node been malfunctioning | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | located on some remote russian server | 18:05 |
| Aoyagi | Why doesn't that surprise me. | 18:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waves for 112 min | 18:06 | |
| kerio | just do what tpb does | 18:06 |
| kerio | encrypt everything, require a connection with a heartbeat server at least once every two hours, piss off RIAA | 18:07 |
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| Aoyagi | http://youtu.be/XvIg5MK-8yY might interest even someone here | 18:36 |
| Estel_ | kerio, nice, how can I help u? :P | 18:37 |
| Aoyagi | Four principles for the open world - Don Tapscott | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: could we postpone meeting 30 min please? Could you announce on #maemo-meeting in 26min? MT will be late, iv will be missing, i'm in a pinch with time | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or anybody else | 19:35 |
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| kerio | Estel_: how have you modified backupmenu? | 19:44 |
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| kerio | Estel_: also, don't trust rescueOS's e2fsprogs | 19:50 |
| kerio | 1073741824 bytes (1,1 GB) copied, 59,1781 s, 18,1 MB/s | 19:52 |
| kerio | ahhahahahahahahahaha | 19:52 |
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| kerio | and the sync ended in very, very little time | 19:53 |
| kerio | what the balls | 19:53 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: explanation pls | 19:53 |
| kerio | i just dd'd a 1gb file of zeroes in my home | 19:54 |
| kerio | and it took *way* less time than it should've | 19:54 |
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| int_ua | sorry if already known, but: are repos back online? | 19:55 |
| kerio | int_ua: yep, but they're in a bad state | 19:55 |
| kerio | like, the actual repos | 19:55 |
| kerio | or, rather, some actual repos | 19:55 |
| kerio | ...pretty much just extras-devel | 19:56 |
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| int_ua | kerio: thanks :) | 19:56 |
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| Estel_ | kerio, yes, I'vwe modified backupmenu and in many ways | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | i.e. mounting options should be altered too | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | and mount-opts | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | for maemo | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | for disabling barriers etc | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | best settings from my experience (some provide default values, just in case smth in Maemo is outdated and doesn't have that defaults yet - won't hurt putting them into mount options) | 20:14 |
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| Estel_ | rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=continue,data=writeback,extents,journal_async_commit,barrier=0,orlov,nobh | 20:14 |
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| Estel_ | everything mounted as ext4 on my device - be it during boot time, or backupmenu, or Easy debian, or... uses those options | 20:15 |
| Estel_ | + backupmeny is altered to format partition the fixed way, with stripes etc | 20:15 |
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| Estel_ | btw my backupmenu is modified to use --lzma compression instead of gzip, too | 20:16 |
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| kerio | nodiratime is implied by noatime, nobh is deprecated and never reall worked, orlov doesn't even appear in my /proc/mounts | 20:16 |
| kerio | extents is a property of the FS, not of the mount options | 20:17 |
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| kerio | and hm, no commit=<some high value>? | 20:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | hmm ... is there a maximum nick length? | 20:33 |
| Estel_ | kerio, orlov definitelly works on ext4 :P | 20:33 |
| Estel_ | and appear ony my mounts | 20:33 |
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| tyjnbvftydcfyhgf | yes | 20:34 |
| tyjnbvftydcfyhgf | it's maximum allowed nick length | 20:34 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | 16 chars .. ta | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | kerio, as for nodiratime and noatime at the same time, i copied it from vanilla maemo ext3 mount options | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | make it 6wheeledbeast | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | :P | 20:36 |
| * RST38h yawns | 20:36 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | looking to group additional nicks for n900's | 20:36 |
| kerio | Estel_: home_opts="rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback" | 20:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's k I have 1 char to play with | 20:37 |
| kerio | in my /etc/default/mount-opts | 20:37 |
| kerio | sixwheeledbeast: just use a bouncer | 20:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | kerio: ? | 20:37 |
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| Estel_ | kerio, no idea, my /mount used to show smth different | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | aka $: mount | 20:42 |
| Estel_ | used to show both noatime and nodiratime | 20:42 |
| Estel_ | and I don't like setting commit too high | 20:42 |
| Estel_ | we want to have working and healthy journal | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | as fsck doesn't have chances to fix anything | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | at all | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | also, journal_async_commit | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 20:43 |
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| grummund | hi | 23:15 |
| grummund | i edited a system file with vi but i forgot to do gainroot first | 23:16 |
| grummund | can i save it under a new filename then use sudo gainroot to mv the new file? | 23:18 |
| grummund | :w <filename> doesn' seem to work | 23:19 |
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| cehteh | give a path where you can write too | 23:22 |
| cehteh | i guess you are in /etc or so.. no write permission for normal user | 23:23 |
| cehteh | :w /tmp/my_rescue might do | 23:23 |
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| grummund | that's what i expected to work too | 23:27 |
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