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| DocScrutinizer06 | GAN950: ping | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | Raimu: get a nice USB smartcard-reader, and H-E-N ;-) | 00:12 |
| Raimu | Or just dig up the old Symbian Nokia from my cupboard. | 00:14 |
| Raimu | Thanks for helping, Doc! | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | YW, though my help was rather disappointing | 00:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer06 curses abyssmal sparse AT implementation in ISI/BB5 | 00:17 | |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | and even android suppliers were able to disclose their RIL implementations, Nokia was never willing to really disclose the ISI specs | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | there's been that friggin docs you could access only after registering and somebody fingering your body appertures, but even that server is down since years now | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | wirelessmodemapi | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | another big hoax | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | www.wirelessmodemapi.com | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | probably somebody rooted the box 2 years ago, and nobody of the responsibles ever noticed nor did anything to fix the issue | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | the future of maemo.org? | 00:25 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer06: what is the future? | 00:26 |
| vldcnst | I'm having some issues with cutetube-qml (latest) and IPv6 - getting forbidden errors, anyone else encountered this? | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | click on the link above, and you'll see? | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | errr, there's some known issue with some lib | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ask merlin1991 | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or freemangordon | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | dunno if it's related to your particular problem | 00:30 |
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| Estel_ | vi__, DocScrutinizer06 was probably reffering to discussion in maemo-ssu channel | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hmm? | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | nope | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | not directly at least | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | maybe inspired | 00:32 |
| Estel_ | why you think wirelessmodeapi is future of maemo.org? 0_o | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | it's about "page not found"?:P | 00:36 |
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| vldcnst | merlin1991, freemangordon: ping | 00:43 |
| vi__ | vldcnst: that and PR0NTUBE NO LONGER WORKS. | 00:46 |
| vldcnst | vi__: indeed | 00:47 |
| freemangordon | vldcnst: pong | 00:48 |
| vldcnst | freemangordon: getting HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden from youtube while trying to play a video with cutetube-qml (latest version) over IPv6, DocScrutinizer* mentioned that you may, I believe, be able to know something about this | 00:49 |
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| freemangordon | vldcnst: WFM, I can bet it is again libcurl3, wait for next CSSU-T, it should be fixed there. | 00:52 |
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| Estel_ | freemangordon, abusing Your presence here - could You, please, tell me what is current state of latest files for 720p video playback? | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | ages ago I asked about it in it's thread, without answer | 00:55 |
| vldcnst | freemangordon: do you have more info on the actual issue? | 00:55 |
| freemangordon | didn't check that | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | |I'm quite lost - You've mentione,d once, regressions with latest harmattan dsp libs, so I haven't updated | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | it was mooonths ago | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | how does it look now, which versions should be used? | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | ones from first post, or what? :) | 00:56 |
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| freemangordon | vldcnst: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12621 | 00:56 |
| povbot_ | Bug 12621: sharing-plugin-facebook stopped working | 00:56 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: you have some problem or what? | 00:57 |
| freemangordon | with current versions that is. | 00:57 |
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| Estel_ | hm, no, it's just that I'm not sure if I'm using correct version with lattest goddies :) Well, from time to time, it screws first video recordere, but no problem above that | 00:57 |
| Estel_ | (first as in first after rerboot) | 00:57 |
| vldcnst | freemangordon: not sure I follow that, you're saying libcurl connects to a IPv4 host instead of a IPv6? | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | it's jsut that I'm confused about current state - I remember You uploading new lib from harmattan, then, mentioning that it had some regressions (serious ones) | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | I just lost track | 00:58 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: anyway, once I finish REing touch keyboard I will return for a while to 720p. But don;t hold your breath :) | 00:59 |
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| Estel_ | OK :) BTW, why? you lost interest in 720p? | 00:59 |
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| Estel_ | so, current info and links in 1st post of 720p are absolutely up to date and contain latest thing one should install? | 00:59 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: because there are only 24x7 in a week and I cannot spend all of them programming for maemo ;) | 01:00 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: yes | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | You can, you're FMG! :P sure, no problem :) | 01:00 |
| freemangordon | vldcnst: read the IRC log, there is nothing I can add :) | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | don't forget, that i'm not demanding anything, and i'm very grateful for what You've done already :) | 01:01 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I need to take some rest, bb guys | 01:01 |
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| pavlz | hi | 02:47 |
| pavlz | i would like toknow if it's available x-term for android | 02:47 |
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| aidy | hi | 02:53 |
| aidy | I'm having some unmet dependency issues: http://pastebin.com/RGdFra4K | 02:57 |
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| vi_ | ~seen zeq | 13:25 |
| infobot | zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 1h 46m 59s ago, saying: 'I'm guessing I need his xulrunner+qtmozembed..?'. | 13:25 |
| vi_ | ~seen zeq1 | 13:25 |
| infobot | zeq1 <~s_j_newbu@cpc19-rdng21-2-0-cust106.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 15h 39m 17s ago, saying: 'good question nfc'. | 13:25 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: seen zeq? | 13:25 |
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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, ping | 18:12 |
| Estel_ | could You look @ http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1254046&postcount=24 | 18:12 |
| Estel_ | ? | 18:12 |
| Estel_ | this guy (well known in Community, so not some hoax-like one) claim to have access to $$$ tools required to replace chips on devices like N900 | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | could You write him everything You know about parts required to upgrade N900 RAM to 1GB, like You've explained me, some times ago? You know, the ones hardly obtainable, but offering max compatibility | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | (same type of oneNAND, just with higher RAM, like 512 or 1GB, prefferably last one) | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | it would be awesome, if someone would manage to do that. not holding my breath, but definitelly keeping my thumbs | 18:14 |
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| louigi | hey guys! I am an long time N900 user. It's been a while, almost no updates are coming to my phone and I decided to ask how is Maemo community, is it all slowly dying or is Maemo OS having any progress/hope? | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | louigi: ever heard of CSSU? | 19:05 |
| louigi | freemangordon, yes, but not installed | 19:05 |
| louigi | should I? maybe you can give me links to red about it? Would be happy to learn more | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | sure, hold on | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | louigi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 19:07 |
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| louigi | freemangordon, thank you very much, reading | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | louigi, if You ask me, Maemo development have more momentum now than in any point in time, before :) | 19:07 |
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| Estel_ | see kernel-power and cssu linked, kindly, by freemangordon | 19:08 |
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| louigi | Estel_, guys, but does Maemo has hope on other devices? I mean, after N900 devices die out eventually - r there any devices we can go? | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | louigi: none AFAIK | 19:09 |
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| louigi | i have to be honest - although there are more sleek phones out there, N900 is the best portable device so far | 19:14 |
| louigi | for me | 19:14 |
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| freemangordon | louigi: you're not the only one. But actually Estel_ is right, there is lots of development happening lately | 19:18 |
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| Estel_ | louigi, it's because N900 is only true computer (with phone functions) of such size | 19:19 |
| Estel_ | as opposed to later devices, which were just smartphones, with *some* computer funcionalities, strictly restricted | 19:19 |
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| louigi | Estel_, indeed. I actually work at Nokia and witnessed the rise of N900, which at Nokia was perceived as surprise success | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | louigi: any access to the fremantle source code? :D:D:D | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | :) | 19:28 |
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| Estel_ | we can arrange equador political passport for You ;) | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | no need to fear Nokia's wraith, You will have a tea with wikileaks founder in ambassy | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | be welcome in bulgaria, it is nearer with the same conditions :D | 19:29 |
| louigi | freemangordon, Estel_ hehe. Nope. Unfortunately, our office has no access to developers - in fact, after Windows Phone announcement, I am guessing all those people have left the company a year ago already | 19:29 |
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| * Estel_ teases | 19:29 | |
| louigi | hehe | 19:29 |
| Estel_ | more or less, some before, some just few months back in time... | 19:30 |
| louigi | I myself was close to saying - I quit | 19:30 |
| louigi | but actually I am being cut now, so... | 19:30 |
| Estel_ | well, don't makje me go into details about Nokia and their way of marketting devices like N900, 808 pureview, etc | 19:30 |
| louigi | will leave the company soon myself | 19:30 |
| louigi | yeah, many of us in Nokia felt marketing sucks | 19:30 |
| louigi | it is a known public thing, no need to be a Nokian to know that | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | marketing, execs, etc, someone should buy them book about commodore fail :) | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | it's not only about sucking marketing - it's about marketing sucking on purpose (at least in case of 808 pureview) | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | You need to be quite a moron to actually do everything You can to cut down sales of You already finished and available product | 19:32 |
| louigi | Estel_, well, I can tell you this: | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | in Poland, we had 30 808 pureview available for purchase. Or was it 50? Anyway, 90% of people heard, when tried to buy it, that it's not available | 19:32 |
| louigi | I talked to a manager who was close to managers who actually oversaw the N900 development and release. He said they were actually considering not releasing N900 at all. | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | even at such absurdish high price | 19:32 |
| louigi | So I think people there just have no idea what linux is and what people might want | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | Nokia devs aren't idiots - usually - but execs are, mostly | 19:33 |
| louigi | devs are good usually | 19:33 |
| Estel_ | in fact, Nokia had nice ammount of linux-oriented people in staff | 19:33 |
| Estel_ | devs *were* good | 19:33 |
| Estel_ | last batches of them were laid off in last few months | 19:33 |
| Estel_ | due closing of R&D department | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | well, fuck them, I hope that Jolla will provide something more usable than harmattan devices :) | 19:34 |
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| louigi | what's Jolla? | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | google jolla ;) | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | basically, group of ex-nokians, that formed small company | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | planning to release consumer device in one years time | 19:36 |
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| Estel_ | one year* | 19:36 |
| louigi | wow | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | based on Mer | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | (google Mer :) ) | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | (Mer is 100% FOSS continuation of Meego) | 19:36 |
| louigi | wow, so we do have hope! | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | (also see #mer channel, but don't ask them about jolla, jolla got own channel IIRC, or at least stupid twitter feed) | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | yes | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | in other case, well, communtiy always can grown up to the point of designing own FOS hardware :) | 19:38 |
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| louigi | Estel_, I really hope fos hardware is possible | 19:39 |
| louigi | i heard it is complicated stuff | 19:40 |
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| Estel_ | sur,e it is, but few parties succeed, more or less | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | open pandora, raspberry pi (not 100% FOS, but much more than what we have now, even inside N900) | 19:40 |
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| Estel_ | also, many design ideas can be re-used - for example, from Pi's designs that are FOS (even if some components used inside aren't) | 19:41 |
| Estel_ | there is no need to start from complete sscratch | 19:41 |
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| louigi | Estel_, the problem is not in designing, but in mass producing | 19:45 |
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| Estel_ | "mass" producing isn't any problem at all, currently, It's all about designing it properly | 19:46 |
| Estel_ | few hundred units, for start, can be ordered from china, quite easily | 19:46 |
| Estel_ | (to manufacture them from design) | 19:46 |
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| louigi | Estel_, there is a company in china that does custom designs? | 19:47 |
| Estel_ | Rpi also did it - they paired up with farnell and rcomponents later, noly for handling delivery to super-interested users | 19:47 |
| Estel_ | there are tons of companies in china, that can order manufacturing of custom designs, if You want something like 300-500 devices | 19:47 |
| Estel_ | it's jsut matter of price dropping with more | 19:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | jollamobile channel is here | 19:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | #jollamobile | 19:49 |
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| louigi | gotta get there ;) | 19:52 |
| louigi | anyway, guys happy for good news, I am happy our N900 community is active! | 19:52 |
| louigi | btw! | 19:52 |
| louigi | I installed CloneKeen today and maybe someone can help me out | 19:52 |
| louigi | the arrow keys don't work - only Left and Right works, not Up and Down | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | I have no idea what CloneKeen is | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | maybe it's authot had keyboard layout without up and down arrow?:P | 19:53 |
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| louigi | CloneKeen is a game - slone of Commander Keen | 19:54 |
| louigi | clone | 19:54 |
| Estel_ | I see | 19:55 |
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| Sicelo | lv/win 21 | 20:17 |
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| Luke-Jr | Estel_: know much about the Rpi? been hearing a lot of problems with its USB | 20:22 |
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| Estel_ | Luke-Jr, I have 2 of them lying on my desk, but haven't had time to look at it, yet, i.e. to even run it | 20:22 |
| Luke-Jr | >_< | 20:22 |
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| Estel_ | I noticed that they made microUSb similarly to one found in N900 | 20:23 |
| Estel_ | even planned to reinforce it like N900 one, after brief look, IIRC | 20:23 |
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| Luke-Jr | Estel_: well, the issues I've been hearing are more like USB data dropouts with more than 1 device | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | ough, downlink USB? | 20:24 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | any statement from Rpi foundation about it? | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | aka hosatmode hub | 20:24 |
| Luke-Jr | not afaik | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | hostmode* | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | Rpi A or B? I have 2 B variants | 20:25 |
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| Luke-Jr | I'm not sure, the bug reports didn't specify | 20:25 |
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| vdv | hi all | 20:30 |
| Estel_ | hi there | 20:30 |
| vi__ | yo | 20:31 |
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| vdv | who knows, can i configure headset-control to increase volume when holding headset button? | 20:32 |
| vi__ | no | 20:32 |
| vi__ | maybe | 20:33 |
| Estel_ | but You can buy bh-214 for ~10 usd, it have volume buttons on it ;) | 20:33 |
| Estel_ | and you can connect any kind of jack audio output to it | 20:33 |
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| vi__ | vdv: if you use really old version of headset control, v1.2 I think. It used scripts and dbus 'n shit. | 20:34 |
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| vdv | Estel_, good tip :) | 20:59 |
| vdv | vi_, i'll try old version too | 21:00 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | vdv: or alternatively a headphone extension lead w/ volume control, and leave the volume on the device @ max. | 21:06 |
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| vdv | sixwheeledbeast, :) | 21:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | saves having BT on eating the battery | 21:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | nom nom nom | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | tasty battery | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup guys :P | 21:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sup, how do you like your batteries, boiled, fried or poached? | 21:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sixwheeledbeast: raw meat | 21:26 |
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| Estel_ | vi_, ping | 22:01 |
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| zeq1 | Hey guys, did I miss anything interesting over the weekend? | 22:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | zeq1: blackjack and hookers | 22:10 |
| zeq1 | ZogG_laptop: why didn't anybody tell me?!? ;) | 22:11 |
| freemangordon | zeq1: yeah, there was a lot of fun on the Black Sea coast | 22:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | zeq1: we knew you would take all hookers and win all money, waited till you go away foor a while | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | zeq1: you were missing | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: had a meeting? | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: rephrase please? | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | with whom? | 22:13 |
| zeq1 | :) | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: i dunno, you said on Black Sea | 22:15 |
| zeq1 | Anyway, I'm back now. Just had a busy weekend off-line, (un-)decorating our bedroom, and _trying_ to fix my sisters car.. | 22:15 |
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| freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: aah, no, it was me and my GF, we had lots of fun together (as usually) | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | zeq1: glad to hear you're back | 22:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: does she have n900? | 22:16 |
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| freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: no | 22:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: how can it be? :P | 22:19 |
| zeq1 | vi_, did you send that N900? | 22:19 |
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| freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: well, my sister has, her boyfriend has and a friend of mine (again girl) has. That is pretty enough by any measures :D | 22:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: you are bugged enuf you are saying :P | 22:20 |
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| freemangordon | ;) | 22:20 |
| freemangordon | well, actually not, n900 runs ok | 22:20 |
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| zeq1 | freemangordon: I mentioned the other day I was looking through romaxa's trees on hg.mozilla.org in order to try building the IPCLiteAPI, but I couldn't really work out which I needed. Have you looked at all? | 22:22 |
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| Estel_ | welcome back zeq :) | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | You certainly missed some politics inside Maemo, so nothing to regret ;) | 22:30 |
| Estel_ | does anyone know if R&D flag power_button does require full R&D mode? | 22:30 |
| Estel_ | I got pissed enough by act_dead starting everytime I want to turn device off and on, later | 22:30 |
| zeq1 | I'm going to switch to my n900, empathy is being annoying | 22:30 |
| Estel_ | disassembled N900 today, and emasured everything via multimeter - as expected nothiong wrong | 22:31 |
| Estel_ | (as expected, because both usb data and charging works 100% OK) | 22:31 |
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| Estel_ | no freaking idea why it thinks that it should enter act_dead on every power button press, unless I start pushing it 0.01 second after inserting battery (probably, before some capacitor charges) | 22:31 |
| Estel_ | act_dead must die! :P | 22:32 |
| zeq1 | Estel_: maybe it has something to do with the backup battery being completely dead? | 22:32 |
| Estel_ | nope, tried that :( | 22:32 |
| Estel_ | it started with latets kernel-power and bq2415 usage, I even blamed it for a while | 22:32 |
| Estel_ | but I can't prove it's directly related, and I seem to be only one affected | 22:33 |
| Estel_ | kerio had such episode, but it dissapeared on it's own | 22:33 |
| Estel_ | now my situations looks that N900 works 100% fine, no increased power usage, no problem with usb connection, wall charged detected properly, etc | 22:33 |
| Estel_ | but qwhen i turn it off, and try to turn on again, it boots up in act_dead | 22:33 |
| Estel_ | reason-unknown | 22:33 |
| zeq1 | ? | 22:33 |
| Estel_ | solution - take battery out, put it inside. If You feel vibration, it means that it entered act_dead again, need to repeat | 22:34 |
| Estel_ | if it doesn't act on entering battery I need to push power button VERY fast | 22:34 |
| Estel_ | and it will start to light up normally, then boot normally | 22:34 |
| Estel_ | if I wait second too long, it again enters act_dead on power_button press | 22:34 |
| Estel_ | strange as hell | 22:34 |
| Estel_ | 2nd solution - connect it to charger, it will enter real act_dead with charging, Then, I can boot up with no problems | 22:35 |
| Estel_ | somehow, I feel that if I sue bq2415 during runtime, it's harder to boot device properly afterwards (it's more eprsistent in running into act_dead) | 22:36 |
| Estel_ | I've eliminated every possible hardware issue that came to my mind | 22:36 |
| Estel_ | no freaking idea :P | 22:36 |
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| Estel_ | I've never used R&D mdoe, as I never needed to - everything was fixable. But, vi suggested to use power_button flag, that makes device enter normal boot on every power button press, probably eliminating act_dead whatsoever | 22:37 |
| Estel_ | I'm just curious if it's possible to enable this flag without entering act_dead as whole | 22:37 |
| Estel_ | tfu | 22:37 |
| Estel_ | without entering R&D as whole* I mean | 22:37 |
| Estel_ | btw it's total lottery, if device will enter act_dead instantly, upon inserting battery. 99% of time it does, I must use this remaining 1% to enter normal boot (if I'm not too slow with rpessing power button). Somewhat, if device spend 5 minutes or so without battery (or shorter, it's random), chances are much higher | 22:39 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05 suggested gaia missconfiguration, or voltage appliied to vbus when it shouldn't (via update in kernel-power, that allow bq2415 to work), but I'm too noobish at kernel developing, to properly trace responsible change in kernel-power patches | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | it's also possible that it's mix of my personal settings that catalised bug in kernel-power... Or even something totally unrelated ;) | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | zeq, I feel as being specialist of strange problems (proud of never needing reflash to solve them, sooner or later :P ) | 22:41 |
| Estel_ | + probably only one person that needed to revive main device by cutting out 5mmx5mm part of motherboard... Just sold it today in local wanna-be ebay site, only 12 less than I've paid for completely working one (that I used as motherboard replacement) | 22:42 |
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| zeq | Estel_: what did you cut off??? | 22:43 |
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| Estel_ | whole part holding USB, as it's pads were screwed inside, making them shorted, even when i've scrapped pads totally | 22:44 |
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| Estel_ | bonus - bq27200 were not available even via i2c | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | but device was working :P | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | so I suppose that by cutting this part of PCB, I've also cut off tracks to charging chip and battery gaude | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | gauge* | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | ah, and camera was producing only "grey mass" - module is OK, I've scavenged it and teste don working N900, today | 22:45 |
| Estel_ | (I'll use spare module as testbed for replacing Ir filter with normal glass, and using it as IR camera module :D add to this bunch of high-power Ir diodes, and You have mid-range night vision device :P) | 22:45 |
| zeq | nice idea! :) | 22:46 |
| Estel_ | (as N900 camera have quite high IR sensibility, even withnn filter, I suppose that it will be good thing for day Ir artistic photo, and - through viewfinder - night vision device for night) | 22:46 |
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| Estel_ | anyway, I've sold this device without USB and camera module as "unknown condition" | 22:47 |
| Estel_ | never buy "unknown condition" thingsa | 22:47 |
| Estel_ | well, actually, I wasn't bitchy like that - I've written that USB doesn't worr and isn't present, just lied that I was second owner, and first one tried to repair it and failed, while I haven't | 22:48 |
| Estel_ | good excuse for lacking 5mmx5mm part of PCB? :P | 22:48 |
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| Estel_ | + I've listed things that works for sure (not listing camera module amonsgt them), and stating that I absolutely can't guarante working of other components | 22:48 |
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| zeq | Maybe you shouldn't be admitting all that here..? | 22:49 |
| Estel_ | I've also written, that I( can test any component on request, before selling | 22:49 |
| Estel_ | no worries, it wasn't sold on TMO :P | 22:49 |
| Estel_ | it's rather about "how to get most ammount of money from your broken N900 and buy working one" | 22:50 |
| Estel_ | one person, literally ONE, asked about camera, and I've replied honewstly, that after checking, it doesn't work. | 22:50 |
| Estel_ | now, who is to be blamed?:P | 22:50 |
| Estel_ | seriously though, person that bought it was only interested in using it as wifi tablet, never cared about camera or usb | 22:51 |
| * zeq is off to feed the dog | 22:51 | |
| Estel_ | bon apetit | 22:51 |
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| Estel_ | AFAIK everyone who bought device on TMO is sastisfied - It's different class of selling attempt (than stuffin trash on wanna-be-ebays), and I take *much* care to check everything, and ensure that everything is working. BTw, I've also bought devices from wanna-be-ebays too, and my usual way of doing so is writing receiving protocol, wioth imei listed... | 22:52 |
| Estel_ | then, checking everything | 22:52 |
| Estel_ | and if something is fubar, and was declared as working, I go to authorised service, take another protocol with IMEI listed and things that doesn't work... | 22:53 |
| Estel_ | and send device + both protocols (receiving protocol proves, that device in service was same as device received) with demand of money return | 22:53 |
| Estel_ | it *always* work | 22:53 |
| Estel_ | I'm writing it here, noyl because it may be useful for some people that wan't to buy used n90 0from wanna-be-ebay or ebays | 22:53 |
| Estel_ | *never* buy unknow condition - if someone sell such precious device, he would take minimal effort to check it, and sell for more, if it's working | 22:54 |
| Estel_ | also, be sure to insure Your ass, as wanna-be-ebays is real jungle, and many people try to cheat, even if they state 100% working device :( OTOH, it's real pleasure to outsmart "wanna-be-smart" scammers, that count on you receiving faulty device, and inability to prove, that you haven't swapped it | 22:55 |
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| Estel_ | same apply for real-life purchasing of secopnd-hand devices from local outlets. That's why I'm able to buy 100% working N900's in good condition, and sell it on TMO for such small price. I've eliminated risk of buying one with hidden faults (and it happens very often), as I'm always receiving money for it, due to documenting every step with device, unless i'm 100% sure that every single sensor works ok | 22:56 |
| Estel_ | well, at elast those devices land in hands of dedicated owners, through N900, not in trash bin or cut apart for parts ;) | 22:56 |
| zeq | Estel_: as well as the sensors ever did... the proximity sensor in sunlight issue is a PITA | 22:58 |
| Estel_ | hm? Never experienced it? | 22:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: So you have a small list of IMEI's that are faulty? Useful :) | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, yea. No idea how to change IMEI on n900, honestly, though | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | but hong-kong folks are doing it | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | and printing fake labels, to glue it into N900 cases | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | (with "made in finland"...) | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | (and new, fake imei, which match one in device) | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: ? | 23:00 |
| Estel_ | so it must be possible | 23:00 |
| zeq | DocScrutinizer05: hi | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard or encountered proximitysensor-in-sunlight problem | 23:01 |
| zeq | Am I the only one who finds the proximity sensor gets triggered in bright light? | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: Yer seen that odd post on TMO that was phishing for information how to do this. | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what makes you think it get triggered? | 23:02 |
| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, yea | 23:02 |
| Estel_ | zeq, I've never encountered it. Maybe You have covered it with protector foil? | 23:02 |
| Estel_ | in such case, some angle of sunlight would be able to trigger it | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: maybe I never been in a situation where operation mode would even notice such triggering | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: are you sure you don't confuse that with backlight off in bright ambient light? | 23:04 |
| zeq | When the phone rings, if you go to answer while moving the phone from a shaded location to a sunlit location the screen blanks and locks | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ummm | 23:05 |
| zeq | when indoors it doesn't happen | 23:05 |
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| zeq | I've also experienced it with the proximity activated hacks that are available | 23:06 |
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| zeq | (although I don't have anything like that on there now) | 23:06 |
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| zeq | using the unlock switch allows the phone to be answered but then the proximity sensor doesn't usually relock the screen when put to ear... | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds more like a kernel bug | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or dbus glitch | 23:08 |
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| zeq | could be, but it behaviour I've had since I can remember. Not saying it definitely does happen on stock, since that I can't remember! | 23:09 |
| zeq | :P | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: please investigate with ""watch -n 1 -p cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state"" | 23:13 |
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| zeq | Okay I'll give it a try tomorrow. Lack of sun right now! ;) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here :-) | 23:15 |
| vi__ | zeq: !! | 23:15 |
| vi__ | you sonovvagun! | 23:15 |
| zeq | hi vi_ :) | 23:16 |
| vi__ | you should be expecting a parcel tomorrow. | 23:16 |
| zeq | ah! :) | 23:17 |
| zeq | two devices to test it with! :) | 23:17 |
| zeq | and one can be flashed to stock if it isn't already | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: you know the backlight-off function that kicks in in very bright ambient light? | 23:18 |
| vi__ | when you receive it, can you post somthing in the thread? | 23:18 |
| vi__ | everyone loves closure on a good story. | 23:18 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: you have fixed MCE??? | 23:18 |
| zeq | DocScrutinizer05: it isn't that. the screen is actually locked. | 23:19 |
| zeq | vi_: that I will. | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: no, I haven't. What makes you think I have? | 23:22 |
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| zeq | how difficult would it be to write a bluetooth PAN plugin? | 23:25 |
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| zeq | maybe not worth it for bandwith limitations | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? I thought BT-PAN exists | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=n900+bt+pan | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: ^^^ | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 | 23:33 |
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| zeq | Thanks Doc | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 23:37 |
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