IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-05-05

f3bruarystill no detection00:00
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f3bruaryI'm gonna continue configuring my device, add apps, remove junk etc. setting everyting00:00
f3bruarymaybe after a few reboots it will be fine00:01
DocScrutinizerf3bruary: is what the springs should look like (sorry for the blurry pic)00:01
f3bruarylooks the same00:02
f3bruaryI dont have tiny tweezers00:02
f3bruaryso can't do much about it00:02
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f3bruaryBut I think they're fine00:02
f3bruarythey were fine 5hrs ago00:02
DocScrutinizerthen your problem is either (still/again) rootfs - naybe otification got messed up on first boot after flashing - or some lockup in RTC config possibly done by pwnphone00:03
DocScrutinizerI suggest removing battery for 2h (hoping any lockup in cmos config will get reset by that), plus a reflash again, then quietly waiting for first boot to finish its job before rebooting again00:05
DocScrutinizerdo all this without SIM inserted00:05
DocScrutinizerthen REboot first time again without SIM, and see if wizard still shows up00:06
DocScrutinizerafter that try a known good SIM. If all this fails at any stage, get a battery replacement00:07
DocScrutinizerat least for testing00:08
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DocScrutinizer(rationale: modem, on detecting SIM, will start to transmit to book in, which can cause a defect worn out battery to drop voltage temporarily to a point that may cause all the problems seen)00:09
* DocScrutinizer waves and wishes good luck to f3bruary00:10
* f3bruary waves back and thanks DocScrutinizer 00:11
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f3bruarycool, after updates SIM is detected00:53
f3bruaryI had a feeling it would00:53
befordbut at least worked00:54
befordno more startup wizard at boot?00:54
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DocScrutinizerdang, he's gone01:37
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DocScrutinizeranyway, another saved soul :-)01:37
KilrooWell, that's two places I've ordered a replacement BT8010 only to have them cancel my order because they're out of stock01:38
KilrooThe first one, at least, still didn't list them as out of stock when I checked afterward.01:38
DocScrutinizershopping is a PITA nowadays01:39
KilrooI'd be willing to give up the LCD display, considering it doesn't entirely work anyhow, if I could find another model of over-the-ear headset that converts to stereo by plugging the other earpiece into it.01:39
DocScrutinizerKilroo: I found their new headphones on their website. Says "bt *and* wired"01:40
KilrooBut so far the closest I can find is one where you plug an entire pair of earbuds into the earpiece and clip what was previously the earpiece to your shirt...01:40
DocScrutinizerdefinitely not same formfactor01:40
DocScrutinizerbah, a weak idea for a design01:41
DocScrutinizerI might like the fold-able headphone though01:41
DocScrutinizerit still offers dual-concurrent-connection, a killer feature01:42
KilrooOn the bright side, at least I still get some use from my old bluetooth headset I used to use with my n8201:42
DocScrutinizerplus it has wired audio, which I like a lot as BT A2DP usually is of inferior quality to direct wired audio01:43
KilrooIt fits the n900 external battery charger that I got without realizing it didn't come with a power cord...01:43
KilrooOr rather its charger does.01:43
KilrooHm. Ok, apparently I just had horrible search terms before. Now I'm finding several similar-ish models...although so far none with an earhook for the auxiliary earpiece, it doesn't look like. And I'm not really fond of stick-in-your-ear earbuds.01:51
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DavidTalmage_I need a little help with Madde and linking.05:58
DavidTalmage_I've searched the QtCreator docs and I've searched with Google.  No joy.05:59
DavidTalmage_Anybody here know about these things?05:59
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DocScrutinizernot me though06:01
DavidTalmage_Hello, DocScrutinizer.06:01
DavidTalmage_You gave me an answer like that once before.06:01
DocScrutinizerhmm, you probably asked to ask before then06:02
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.06:02
DavidTalmage_OK. Fine.06:03
TermanaI'm definitely here against my will06:03
DavidTalmage_I'm building for Fremantle.  During linking, the linker can't find a library that I've already built.06:03
TermanaDavidTalmage_, if you have a specific problem just ask it. If someone is around that can answer it they will06:03
DavidTalmage_Ternana, got it.  Thanks.06:04
DavidTalmage_Oops.  Termana.06:04
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DavidTalmage_I think it's because the linker is looking only in sysroot.06:05
DavidTalmage_I need it to look in the build directory.06:05
DocScrutinizerthat's not how linker works, unless you want to link statically06:05
DocScrutinizeryou need to install the lib, then linker will find it like any other lib06:06
DavidTalmage_Isn't that what -L is for?06:06
DavidTalmage_It behaves that way when I build for Linux.  Just not when I build for Fremantle.06:06
DocScrutinizerbut as mentioned above, my knowledge about those things is rather general and not very specific06:06
DavidTalmage_I appreciate that, DocScrutinizer, and I appreciate that you're trying to help me.06:07
DavidTalmage_I did in fact switch from static linking to dynamic linking.06:08
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DocScrutinizerI'd recommend `man ld`06:08
DocScrutinizeras I suspect there's not anything special with madde linking06:09
DocScrutinizerexcept of course the changeroot, I guess06:09
DocScrutinizerI.E you're linking against target libs, not host libs06:10
DavidTalmage_I just now read the section on '-L'.  It's supposed to do as I described: look in another directory.06:10
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DavidTalmage_I ran with mad the g++ invocation that QtCreator uses. I made it be verbose (-Wl,--verbose).06:11
DavidTalmage_Then ld printed the directories it searched for my libraries.06:12
DavidTalmage_They were all in sysroot.  My libraries aren't in sysroot.06:12
DavidTalmage_The will be when QtCreator gets around to deploying.06:12
DavidTalmage_I'll make it more complicated now.06:13
DavidTalmage_I'm using a subdirs project.06:13
DavidTalmage_It contains apps and libraries.06:13
KilrooI wonder when I shall recover enough motivation to try to get u-boot working again.06:14
KilrooAt least I got my recovery process down to a science.06:14
DavidTalmage_QtCreator is building one of my apps when ld says it can't find my libraries.06:14
KilrooBut I'm still not sure exactly how I keep failing to produce a correct configuration.06:14
DavidTalmage_This is a bootstrapping problem.06:14
DocScrutinizerDavidTalmage_: you say ld printed all dirs it searched. So was the dir you gave with -L in this list?06:15
DavidTalmage_DocScrutinizer, no.06:15
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DavidTalmage_That's the problem.06:16
DocScrutinizerthen your -L was either malformed in some way (which should cause a warning of ld nevertheless), or you rmethod to pass this parameter to ld failed06:16
DavidTalmage_QtCreator generated it. I verified that the directory exists and that it contains the libraries.06:17
DavidTalmage_There may be another way to invoke ld.06:18
DocScrutinizeroften a planned error is a good way to shed some light on things. Try using an illegal pathname for -L, try even an illegal parameter all together (-ยง ?)06:18
DocScrutinizer("--nonono" is for sure an illegal parameter. Try to pass this to your ld run)06:19
DocScrutinizerif it doesn't barf up on "--nonono: illegal parameter" you did sth wrong (or madde did sth "wrong")06:20
DavidTalmage_I see what's happening.06:21
DavidTalmage_The dir from my -L is in sort-of in the dirs that ld searched.06:21
DocScrutinizerif your error parameter is passed to ld just fine, but ld seems to ignore -L this/doesnt/exist  then maybe some script is disabling/overriding -L06:21
DavidTalmage_It's appended to the path to the sysroot.06:21
DavidTalmage_E.g. ld -L foo  makes mad ld search $SYSROOT/foo.06:22
DavidTalmage_mad is doing what it's supposed to do, I guess.06:22
DavidTalmage_That makes this a QtCreator problem.  I need to make QtCreator copy my libs to sysroot before linking my apps.06:23
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DavidTalmage_Thanks for helping me focus, DocScrutinizer.06:30
DavidTalmage_Good night, all.06:31
DocScrutinizeryw :-D06:31
DocScrutinizerthough I still fail to see why it attaches header of sysroot to -L parameter06:31
DocScrutinizerthere's some --with-sysroot mentioned in manpage, I fail to get the meaning though06:32
DocScrutinizeranyway manpage clearly states that usually -L parameters only get sysroot header when starting with "="06:33
DocScrutinizer>> If  searchdir  begins with "=", then the "=" will be replaced by the sysroot prefix, a path specified when the           linker is configured.<<06:34
DocScrutinizerDavidTalmage_: I gather you haven't a "=" in your -L ?06:34
KilrooI gotta say06:35
Kilrooone of the amusing things about Linux for me was the first time I was trying to explain to a coworker how to SSH into a server and look at the end of a log file06:35
Kilrooand ending up saying "Look, I gotta get to lunch...just look at man tail and let me know when I get back if you still need help."06:36
KilrooI got such an odd look for that one.06:42
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DocScrutinizerkiller glare06:43
DocScrutinizerI'd probably have told the guy about `less '+G'`06:45
* DocScrutinizer just noticed he invoked `man ld` on ssh to IroN90006:46
DocScrutinizer...and about "h" and "q"06:47
DocScrutinizerthough "q" already isn't exactly needed06:48
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DavidTalmage_DocScrutinizer, I saw that in the man page.  No, I don't have an "=" in my -L.07:00
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Vib3tried to use script but says can't find i2cget11:30
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Vib3got it working11:52
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k273hi DocScrutinizer, your checking on my /opt did well. I can install programs again.13:08
k273thanks! Now I just have to handle the matter of input-hildon-desktop thing.13:10
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freemangordonPali, just buy second SD card :P14:39
Palithis is really studid idea of all developers which belive that only one OS is the best14:39
Paliwindows developers14:40
freemangordonWell, you now which guys are "nemo n900 HW adaptation" ;)14:40
Palinot now14:41
Palibut seems that images are same as old meego14:41
freemangordonWouldn't call them exactly "windows developers", but still :D14:41
Paliso this idea comes from meego and on meego worked people from nokia...14:41
freemangordonyou should do xypper upgrade, or whatever is the correct command, it is described on wiki page14:41
Palion my ubuntu box: zypper: command not found14:42
freemangordononce you boot nemo :D14:42
Palibut I cannot boot nemo :D14:42
freemangordonit uses rpm, you know that14:42
Palireally funny :D14:42
HurrianPali, you need rpm ;)14:42
Palibut why I must run some command on arm OS image?14:43
freemangordonPali, just by 4 GB SD card for 10 or so euros14:43
Hurrianalso, Pali, latest u-boot fixed -110 errors for me14:43
Paliwhy they cannot prepair working image?14:43
PaliHurrian, nice14:43
freemangordonPali, again, zypper upgrade WHEN you boot nemo14:43
freemangordonand the image is working ok, you just need to install it in the correct way14:44
Palicorrect way is what? dd all my data? this is really what is windows doing (or was doing)14:44
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freemangordonPali, after all this is not end-user OS14:45
HurrianPali, are you talking about the Nemo 4-30 release?14:45
freemangordonyou know meego DE :D14:45
Paliwhy they force me to have only one OS on sd card? :D14:45
freemangordonbecause they are evil :P14:45
HurrianPali, use parted to check partitions inside it14:45
Hurrianthen mount them with -o offset=???14:45
PaliI'm not forcing other developers to use only my programs :D14:45
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PaliHurrian, losetup14:46
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freemangordonAnd who is forcing you to use Nemo?14:46
freemangordonPali, yep14:46
PaliI want only test it without loosing data...14:46
freemangordonBuy a second SD card for that ;)14:47
HurrianPali, just leave a partition for Nemo14:47
Paliok, look at it on other side? why it does not boot if I only copy data?14:47
HurrianPali, edit fstab14:47
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Paliit has /etc/fstab only?14:47
Palior want something in bootsector?14:47
Hurrianand then edit cmdline for nemo kernel14:47
Palicmdline is edined in u-boot bootmenu14:47
freemangordonBecause the kernel has cmdline prepared to boot with "run sdboot" comand14:47
Hurrianjust make an item file for nemo14:48
PaliI have item file for nemo (with correct cmdline)14:48
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freemangordonPali, what "nemo does not boot" exactly means, are you stuck on "booting kernel"?14:48
Hurriannemo is on ext4 partition>14:48
Paliso they could write some info on wiki or somewhere what is problem with "only copy files"14:49
infobotHurrian meant: nemo is on ext4 partition?14:49
Palifreemangordon, it show me systemd-fsck14:49
Paliand show that I'm in rescue mode14:49
Hurrianhmm, i'll test with the latest image14:49
Paliand freeze14:49
PaliHurrian, yes, I have nemo on ext414:49
Palialso nitdroid and kubuntu too14:50
Hurrianthat's odd, I'll go test the latest image to see if it's broken14:50
PaliHurrian, I will try to look at /etc/fstab14:50
freemangordonHurrian, the latest image is the same year-old meego-ce AIUI14:50
freemangordonok, half an year old14:50
Palimaybe this is reason why also kubuntu not booting14:50
Hurrian...with very minor changes.14:50
Hurrianfreemangordon, they have been tracking Mer core changes, so there's that14:51
freemangordonPali, could be, yeah, I think it expects ext3 or so14:51
Hurrianno, the kernel expects ext414:51
freemangordonnot that it should matter14:51
freemangordonhmm, ok14:51
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Palinemo fstab edited14:54
Palikubuntu has empty fstab14:54
freemangordonPali, which kernel you try to boot kubuntu qith?14:54
Palidefault which is in kubuntu image14:55
Paliwith default initfs14:55
freemangordonwon't work14:55
freemangordonyou should use nemo kernel14:55
freemangordonread the tread on TMO14:55
Paliok, and which initfs?14:56
freemangordonI can give yot the kernel with SD card and thumb patches14:56
Palifreemangordon, ok give me link for kernel with thumb patches14:57
freemangordongive me a minute to upload it14:57
Paliok, also write me correct cmdline14:57
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Palinow I have this for kubuntu: "vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 mpurate=\${mpurate} root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 fixrtc quiet splash"14:58
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freemangordonomapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR ? haha, won't work14:59
Palinow I see :D15:00
Palithis is funny :D15:00
freemangordonseems it is prepared for BB15:00
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freemangordonroot=/dev/mmcblk0p3 rootwait console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 nosplash elevator=noop15:04
freemangordonchange your root of course15:04
Paliok, thanks15:04
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Palimmcblk0 is SD card?15:04
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Palineed to run depmod for modules?15:06
freemangordondon't think15:06
freemangordonhave in mind I've never tried to boot that kernel from boot menu, i just copy it over 1's (vfat) partition and run sdboot15:08
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Palibooting nemo15:10
Palinow it fsck showed no error15:10
Paliand I got enter pin code :D15:10
Palibooted :D15:10
freemangordonyou are using your primary device to test it?15:11
freemangordona brave one :D15:11
Hurrianbooting nemo is dangerous?15:11
Paliso for nemo is needed only set correct /etc/fstab15:11
freemangordonHurrian, I don't think it is15:12
freemangordonBut Pali has "developr" device, that is why I am surprised15:12
freemangordonPali, how fast it is running15:13
Paliis fast15:13
PaliI think usable15:13
Palinow rebooted to kubuntu15:13
HurrianPali, does WiFi hold for you?15:13
PaliI got more warnings in init15:13
Palibut now I got KDM login screen :D15:13
freemangordonmy kernel?15:14
freemangordonany SIGILL in dmesg?15:14
freemangordonor in /var/syslog15:14
PaliI do not know user/password15:14
Paliwhat is default username?15:14
Paliand password?15:14
freemangordonyou don't have one, do a guest session15:14
Palishit touchscreen not working correctly15:14
PaliY axes are reverted15:15
freemangordonyeah, that is why you need int_ua's installer :P15:15
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Palifreemangordon, I switched to console15:16
freemangordonbut be warned, it takes ages to complete15:16
Palibut it still needs login :-(15:16
freemangordonPali, do a single-user login, edit /etc/..15:16
PaliI will shutdown and create some user in /etc/passwd15:16
Hurrianfreemangordon, since he has nemo already, he can do the steps manually15:16
Hurrianalso, don't edit etc/passwd, use adduser15:17
freemangordonif he knows which steps, of course15:17
Hurrianjust look it up from the install script ;)15:17
freemangordonPali, yeah, do adduser from a single-user mode15:17
Hurrianmainly he needs kubuntu-integration.deb and copy firmware15:18
freemangordonHurrian, it is not so simple, but maybe could be done15:18
Hurrianand the rc.local edit15:18
Paliwhen I booted it show me messages failed to create pts15:18
freemangordonignore that15:18
Hurrianmaybe need entry in fstab, but doesn't matter15:18
Hurrianit's just like tmpfs15:18
freemangordonthere is a fix for it, but don't ask me for it15:19
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Paliwifi and bluetooth show error that cannot load firmware15:24
freemangordoncopy the firmware from maemo15:24
Palinow loading KDE :-)15:24
Paliits very very slow15:25
freemangordonfirst time it is15:25
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Paliso now it started15:32
Paliit is very very slow, not usable15:32
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Palinemo and nitdroid is fast15:32
freemangordonPali, any SIGILL in logs?15:32
PaliI cannot open log15:32
freemangordonand you can install kubuntu-low-fat-settings15:33
freemangordonPali, why?15:33
Palinow trying to open konsole :D15:33
Paliit is slow :D15:33
freemangordonaah :D15:33
Palimaybe I will open konsole in next 5 hours :D15:33
freemangordonwhere is your swap set?15:33
Palino idea15:33
freemangordonyou have swap?15:33
PaliI cannot run free, df, ...15:33
Paliso I cannot tell you15:34
freemangordonwhat about cat/proc/swaps?15:34
PaliI have no terminal open yet!15:34
freemangordonPali, boot in single-user mode and setup a swap15:34
PaliI'm trying to open konsole15:34
freemangordonmost probably you-re OOM15:34
freemangordonwell, not you, kubuntu :D15:35
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Palino swap15:38
freemangordonI told ya15:38
freemangordonsetup eMMC as swap (mmcblk1p3)15:39
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Paliin dmeg is a lot of messages: failed to create pty - disabling logging for job15:39
freemangordonignore that15:39
Palitemporary process spawn error15:39
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Palifreemangordon, I have no *SIG* in /var/log/syslog15:53
freemangordonthat is great15:53
freemangordonhow it is working now, when you have memory15:53
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Palinow I'm going to start KDE again :-)15:54
freemangordonaah , ok15:54
Paliswap is enabled15:54
PaliI added it to /etc/fstab15:54
Paliseems that kde is starting quickly, but still slow15:54
Palistill loading...15:55
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Paliseems not usable with swap too15:56
Palistill not loaded15:56
freemangordonwhat class is your card?15:57
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Palisamsung 32GB class 1015:57
freemangordonwell, try to install kubuntu-low-fat-settings15:57
freemangordonBTW isn't KDE too fat for n900?15:58
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freemangordonisn't lxde a better alternative?15:58
PaliKDE is too fat for 8 cores i7 processors :D15:58
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Paliwith 64GB ram :D15:59
Palibecause nepomuk, strigi and akonadi...15:59
Palikde not started....16:00
Paliok, now I'm finishing today testing16:00
PaliI will do some other school homeworks...16:01
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CodenameStrike-N<Pali> KDE is too fat for 8 cores i7 processors :D16:03
CodenameStrike-N8 cores?16:03
CodenameStrike-NYou mean 4 cores with 8 threads?16:04
CodenameStrike-NI'm using KDE though, with Nepomuk on16:04
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trxhe meant 8x "Core i7 Processors" with 64GB of ram :)16:06
Hurrian>more than 1 core i7 on a motherboard16:08
Hurrianonly with xeons.16:08
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CodenameStrike-N>64GB RAM16:11
CodenameStrike-NI'm starting to wonder16:11
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HurrianCodenameStrike-N, at that point, boot your whole OS off a ramdisk.16:30
Hurrianway faster than any SSD16:31
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CodenameStrike-NProbably something to test upon having a 5-digit salary here then.16:32
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trxheh, i would like 4 digits first :)16:33
CodenameStrike-NNot inl USD, of course... 1USD is like 3 or more bucks here.16:33
spark666how to remove this from my PS1? - BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian built-in shell (ash)16:34
Hurrianit's not part of PS1, it's part of ash16:35
spark666Hurrian: it is possible to remove it then?16:35
Hurrianinstall bash4, set it as shell for user and root16:35
spark666some ppl from here said its not a good idea to use bash16:35
spark666i love bash to,i never used ash16:36
Hurrianwhy not use bash? it's a good shell.16:36
spark666they said i can run into trouble on N90016:36
spark666on my laptop i use bash16:37
Hurrianonly if you replace system service shells with bash, because nokia wrote them for ash16:37
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iBorgany techs here ?17:01
iBorgi have N900 prob if you can help me?17:01
r00t|homegoogle: asking questions on irc17:02
iBorgweb pages dont help17:02
r00t|homeread again17:03
brikask your question, we don't know if we can help unless we know what you need help with17:03
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iBorgi have N900, It does not boot. I am Now trying to flash the phone, however putting a fully charged battery in, and pressing and holding the "u" key, and then plugging in the USB data cable does not give me the USB indicator icon on screen. the screen just turns off.17:05
iBorgthe phone just cycles when either usb data is plugged in or when power adaptor is plugged in.17:06
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iBorgCycle in my case means: Faint Nokia screen comes on, then I see white pips go forward and back for 1 cycle, then the phone powers off and starts again.17:07
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iBorgany idea's ?17:07
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trxDocScrutinizer i want to create a dream machine using n900 leds, its basically a stroboscope.. do you think it can damage the leds or anything else?17:09
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trxfrequency is arround 10-30hz17:10
freemangordoniBorg, with battery removed - plug usb cable, press and hold u and but the battery back, it is a little tricky, but works17:11
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DocScrutinizerwhich LEDs?17:11
freemangordons/and but/and put/17:12
infobotfreemangordon meant: iBorg, with battery removed - plug usb cable, press and hold u and put the battery back, it is a little tricky, but works17:12
iBorgive tried that the phone remains OFF17:12
freemangordonturn it in then, while still holding u17:12
trxDocScrutinizer flash leds17:13
DocScrutinizerwhen phone doesn't power up on plugging in USB, resp inserting battery with USB plugged, you got a problem with either17:13
DocScrutinizertrx: you can run the LEDs with 50mA (IIRC) permamnently17:14
DocScrutinizersee flashlight app17:14
DocScrutinizerI doubt however you can switch then this fast17:14
trxi'll have to test that, i wanted to be sure that if i can i won't damage anything17:15
DocScrutinizeryou *will* damage when you run them on full power17:16
iBorgok same behaviour17:16
iBorgthe phone dont boot17:16
trxso 50mA then, ok17:17
iBorgi get a faint nokia screen, then white pips on screen for a second, then phone turns off.17:17
freemangordoniBorg, you said you want to flash it17:17
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iBorgyea i do17:17
iBorgim trying to get it working17:17
freemangordonwhat OS is that, on your PC?17:18
iBorgflashing it is my last resort to trying to get it working17:18
iBorgi have 2 laptops here, 64 bit and 3217:18
iBorgwin and ubuntu17:18
freemangordontry inder ubuntu17:18
iBorgthe flash app dont see the phone in any state17:18
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DocScrutinizerlook in syslog17:25
DocScrutinizerfor "new USB device..." OWTTE17:25
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k273ohay DocScrutinizer17:30
k273I already managed that /opt hogs17:31
DocScrutinizeryw :-)17:31
k273but I cannot find HAM unless what you meant was hildon app man?17:31
* DocScrutinizer grins about the history showing up in fremantle's app names17:33
DocScrutinizerosso, hildon...17:33
k273yes, funky, to say the least.17:34
DocScrutinizeriBorg: I guess your USB cable or receptacle is broken17:36
DocScrutinizeriBorg: have you looked nto syslog yet?17:37
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DocScrutinizeriBorg: ~# logger "this-is-syslog"; sudo less '+F' $(grep -l this-is-syslog /var/log/* 2>/dev/null)17:43
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DocScrutinizeriBorg: on your PC of course17:54
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DocScrutinizeriBorg: OTOH when device refuses to enter flashing mode when you hold 'u' key while plugging in *wallcharger*, then definitely your battery is defect or at very least completely depleted17:58
DocScrutinizerwhen it doesn't boot at all, your USB is defect17:59
DocScrutinizerdevice booting to dim NOKIA screen, then failing as soon as backlight gets enabled is most likely battery18:00
SpeedEvilOr the battery is completely defective18:00
DocScrutinizer>> then definitely your battery is defect or at very least completely depleted18:01
DocScrutinizerdefective even18:01
SpeedEvilI meant if it doesn't boot at all18:02
DocScrutinizerwell, for some defects it actually might neither boot nor enter emergency-charge mode18:04
DocScrutinizerwhere "boot" is "cpu starts doing 'things' like showing NOKIA on screen"18:05
DocScrutinizersince PC has no D+- short, emergency-charge won't kick in, so no steady amber indicator, even with completely depleted battery18:07
DocScrutinizerthat's why I said *fastcharger* in post above18:08
DocScrutinizeractually I said *wallcharger* :-D18:09
k273And I wish I had Dodge Charger SRT818:09
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DocScrutinizerI guess if I'd bother to google, I'd find sth about combustion engine with compressor or turbo18:17
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DrGrovHi DocScrutinizer18:18
DocScrutinizerhi DrGrov18:18
DrGrovHow are you doing?18:18
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DocScrutinizerohwell, getting older :-P18:18
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Well, that is not all that bad now is it? :)18:19
DocScrutinizerI hated it when I was 20, I thanked God for not been able to stop aging at 20 when I was 35. Now I just hate it so much that I tend to ignore it all together18:22
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DocScrutinizerN years + 362 days gives me strange moods now, as does awaking in the morning with all sorts of aches ;-D18:25
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Damn, you are getting old :D18:39
k273ummm Tylenol?18:39
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k273you said aches18:46
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TofeHi !19:59
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TofeI got the owncloud sync client running on N900, but the UI... beeerk20:05
TofeAlso it's going in the "systray" when closing it. But what is the systray on maemo, I don't have a clue :)20:06
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DocScrutinizeraah paracetamol23:26
DocScrutinizerTofe: usually the statusbar, or status menu23:28
DocScrutinizerIOW the area where clock and battery icon appear23:28
DocScrutinizermuch like on systray ;-)23:29
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