IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-03-04

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Hurrianpali, are you here?01:08
PaliHurrian, yes01:09
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Hurrianwas thinking of patching 2.6.29 to run Maemo - it's not a big jump, and no kernel drivers that we care about are removed01:13
Hurrianany blockers? i can merge .rej files myself01:14
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PaliHurrian, I will try to use last meego/nemo kernel on maemo501:19
Pali2.6.29 is too old01:20
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Hurrian-110 error needs to be fixed first ;)01:35
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Hurrianlast time anyone tried, didn't it just end in Maemo going MALF?01:36
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PaliHurrian, problem is that in meego kernel was deleted /proc/bootreason and fremante gpio keys interface too01:50
Palibut I have patch which reverted that back01:50
Palilast time when I tested it in qemu I got starting X Server and that was all, because I did not have compiled qemu kgles2 module for X Server01:51
Palimaybe it is time to test it on real n900 :D01:52
Palifreemangordon, see ^^^^^01:52
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Hurriani wanna see that!01:54
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DocScrutinizersemi-OT: (GPS [+ mobile phones])03:31
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merlin1991intresting read03:49
tank-manit better be :)03:53
tank-mani saw the word filter and had nightmares of analog electronics class03:55
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DocScrutinizertank-man: like 99.9% of EE staff that was responsible of building mass products from some crappy reference design done in USA04:00
SpeedEvilIt's largely irrelevant.04:00
SpeedEvilSure - better filters can be designed.04:01
SpeedEvilHowever, the problem is that aviation GPSs often have _long_ lifes.04:01
SpeedEvilAnd would not normally be replaced because they're 5 years old.04:01
SpeedEvil(because they are expensive!)04:01
SpeedEvilThis means that if L^2 goes ahead - much of the installed infrastructure for airborne GPS needs replaced.04:02
DocScrutinizernah, the problem is that EE staff didn't consider to use better (not asking for 'optimal') filters in those friggin expensive aviation GPS04:02
SpeedEvilThe bandplan specifically says that it's supposed to be a quiet low-power zone.04:02
SpeedEvilIt's not unreasonable to design on that basis.04:03
DocScrutinizernot in compliance with my rule of "be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you expect from others"04:04
SpeedEvilI agree.04:04
SpeedEvilFrom an ideal POV it's not great.04:05
SpeedEvilBut as an in-reality design, limited by cost, it's not unreasonable to design to regulations + a buffer.04:05
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SpeedEvilWithout expecting signals a million times stronger in the skirts.04:05
DocScrutinizernot if it turns out a better filter is even cheaper04:06
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SpeedEvilOnly if cheaper is cheaper in terms of design time too.04:06
DocScrutinizerthey were outright *lazy* to even think about it04:06
DocScrutinizeresp for a GLOBAL POSITIONING system for AVIATION, how could they expect whole world folows their fubar idea of FCC regulations?04:08
ShadowJKDude we're aviation, we always get our way04:09
DocScrutinizereven at design time they couldn't guarantee this is "supposed to be a quiet low-power zone" globally04:09
ShadowJKpassengers buying cheap water bottles outside of airport and bringing onto airplane, onboard refreshments sales dropping? No problem, ban water.04:10
DocScrutinizernow add in the rationale of this guy that a better filter design improves the GPS accuracy and TTFF even without any L^2 around, and you start to ask what the F* those EE had in their design specs when they designed the schematics for a $$$$$$ aviation device04:13
ShadowJKI don't remember this exactly04:14
ShadowJKbut it's about the transponder design04:14
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ShadowJKIf airplane A and airplane B are at 1km and 2km north of an airport, their transponder signals get ORed04:15
ShadowJK(or something like that)04:16
SpeedEvilIt's not.04:17
DocScrutinizertransponder accuracy might well be worse than 1km resolution04:17
SpeedEvilThis is about GPS.04:17
SpeedEvilAnd a proposal to put a high power internet service _right_ next to the GPS signal.04:17
ShadowJKUm, I meant that as in "btw about aviation EE design"04:17
DocScrutinizeris insane, agreed04:17
ShadowJKI did not mean that the article above is about transponders in any way04:18
SpeedEvilSorry - I'm not properly awake.04:18
DocScrutinizerpropagation delay in transponder is probably main issue about all that04:18
ShadowJKHowever, the current transponder system makes signals add up and bitwise OR together when airplanes are in certains locations relative to ground receiver04:19
ShadowJKWell, the regular transponder only has ID and altitude, no position data04:19
DocScrutinizerand duration to TX the 'telegram' is way longer than the time skew between two planes 1km apart from each other04:19
ShadowJKhowever, there are special ID codes reserved for "Help, I'm hijacked and everything I say is a lie"04:20
* SpeedEvil is awaiting a GPS research board. Fun.04:20
DocScrutinizerthe position data is based on radar principle04:20
SpeedEvilSomeones making a few prototypes, which should allow fun stuff.04:20
SpeedEvilSTM32F can do correlation from a raw baseband chip04:21
DocScrutinizerthat's why propagation delay in transponders is of any concern04:21
SpeedEvilSome of the new arm microcontrollers are getting silly.04:21
ShadowJKSo if two airplanes with transponder identification codes that when bitwise ORed with eachother add up to that emergency code passes close to eachother, it triggers an alarm in the air traffic control, and the airplanes when landing will be greeted by a swat team :P04:22
DocScrutinizeranyway I guess transponders do implicit TDMA, by simple difference in distance to airport transceiver04:22
DocScrutinizerso if two airplanes are in line as seen from airport, they have to be separate from each other by at least telegram TX duration04:23
DocScrutinizerotherwise "media collision"04:23
DocScrutinizerof course you could do a completely different scheme: e.g. correlate the time of rx the radar pulse to some (e.g. GPS based) global clock, then send this tuple back to tower out-of-band with arbitrary time delay04:26
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SpeedEvilUnless you can say 'planes with bit 4 unset do not transmit'04:26
DocScrutinizerand possibly even a protocol layer above it to secure transmission against packet loss04:27
SpeedEvilIn which case you can work out which aren't.04:27
ShadowJKYou know in places you still have to navigate by using the radio direction finder to determine the bearing to AM beacons :)04:29
DocScrutinizeryeah, and doing some addr decoding in transponder isn't possible I'd guess. Introduces too much propagation delay04:31
DocScrutinizerI don't even know if RADAR from tower is carrying any info at all, or is just a simple pulse04:32
DocScrutinizerto which the transponder answers in 'no time'04:33
ShadowJKThere's a separate FM system at 108 - 118 Mhz (iirc) that's slightly more sophisticated than the radio direction finding, the aircraft can determine the bearing from radio station to itself04:34
DocScrutinizerhard to do any CDMA/CD scheme or MAC addressing on such a media channel04:35
DocScrutinizerFM lighthouse04:35
DocScrutinizersending directionally unique signals04:36
DocScrutinizersend a unidirectional beacon pulse followed by a directional sweep04:37
DocScrutinizertime diff between beacon and sweep will tell you relative angle to lighthouse04:37
ShadowJK"A VOR ground station sends out a master signal, and a highly directional second signal that varies in phase 30 times a second compared to the master. This signal is timed so that the phase varies as the secondary antenna spins, such that when the antenna is 90 degrees from north, the signal is 90 degrees out of phase of the master. By comparing the phase of the secondary signal to the master, the angle (bearing) to the station can be determined."04:39
DocScrutinizerwell, basically what I said04:39
DocScrutinizerjust that they use the carrier of the omnidirectional beacon itself as a time base04:41
DocScrutinizerwhile I wonder how you're supposed to either a) receive two signals of exactly same frequency, or b) correlate phase of two signals with different frequency04:43
DocScrutinizerwell, maybe they don't send the 'master' beacon continuously, but actually do it like I said04:44
DocScrutinizerand all that phase voodoo is just describing the encoding of the time skew vs angle to tower04:45
DocScrutinizerso the receiver doesn't need to detect exact moment the sweep signal comes in, but rather look at phase of that signal04:46
DocScrutinizerAAAH, now I even parsed the "30 times a second" part04:50
DocScrutinizerthat's probably the TDMA freq of master and sweep signal04:51
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DocScrutinizerI gather the beacon is of noticeably different duration than the sweep signal, so receiver can distinguish the both04:55
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ShadowJKIn 1940 this thing was implemented by two antennas, one fixed antenna, and one directional antenna. The directional antenna was made to spin around by a motor.04:58
DocScrutinizeryeah, sure05:00
DocScrutinizerI first parsed that quote like the antenna would spin 30/s05:01
DocScrutinizerwhich obviously is nonsense05:01
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DocScrutinizerin the simple lighthouse scheme you'd send a beacon with e.g 2kHz modulation when rotating antenna is at 0° position, and the sweep signal from rotating antenna would come in with e.g 1kHz modulation, between 0..2s after the beacon, depending on speed of ratation and your bearing from tower05:04
DocScrutinizeryou'd need knowledge about that roation speed of that lighthouse, to decode the signal05:05
DocScrutinizerfor the phaseshift TDMA signal you don't05:05
DocScrutinizerdang, rotation*05:05
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DocScrutinizerotoh you know rotation speed from beacon freq05:06
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DocScrutinizeryou *could* decode the simple lighthouse scheme signal 'by hand' with a simple FM-radio. You can't do that for the phaseshift encoded signal05:08
DocScrutinizerwhat however makes the simple lighthouse inferior to phaseshift TDMA is the TX power you need for the omnidirectional beacon (while I don't see why the TDMA scheme does need two antennae at all)05:12
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infobotwell, xyawn is coffee05:17
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bindiis it possible to share the the 3G with wifi in ap mode? on the n90011:06
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bindiactually bluetooth DUN will do, gonna try11:08
psycho_oreosyou can't enable AP mode on the N90011:08
dm8tbrIIRC there is no publicly available AP mode firmware for the TI-WL15xx11:10
dm8tbrwl125x that is11:13
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bindieh, how does bluetooth DUN work11:21
bindii installed bluetooth DUN on the n900, bluetooth is enabled, paired with my device, and got a PAN client app for it11:21
bindiright lol11:23
bindii migth not want PAN when using DUN apparently11:23
* bindi is confused11:23
bindiany of this possible on the n900?11:29
bindi found this11:30
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Sicelon900 can do that and more bindi. even the question asked at the end of that thread .. n900 can do it ;)12:26
bindiright well, i got as far as "ifup usb0" and while in pc suite mode12:27
bindiand that's when i had no idea what to do next :p12:27
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binditrying to share connection to my ICS tablet with either bluetooth or usbv12:29
Siceloloving h-e-n + CDMA modem to setup a ppp connection. i use it when updating sofware because cdma costs half as much as regular GSM data (gprs/3g)12:30
bindiusb*.. since asus decided to drop ad-hoc support12:30
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Sicelobindi: bluetooth should be less battery intensive, i believe :/12:38
Sicelodnsmasq on N900 also a great thing ... my boss with SGSII was surprised to see my 'poor' N900 assigning IP addresses to devices :P12:39
bindiyeah i'll give bluetooth PAN a go in a bit12:40
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DocScrutinizerPAN is a virtual ethernet patch cable, while DUN is a virtual USB 3G dongle14:39
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DocScrutinizerwhen using N900 for access to 3G via PCsuite mode, you frequently use the 3G USB dongle mode, though PCsuite also provides a ethernet-over-USB14:42
DocScrutinizerbut stock kernel is missing the required ipfilter functions in kernel to do proper ip-forwarding and masquerading14:43
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DocScrutinizerAIUI with powerkernel it should be no problem to share the network via USB-network (or PAN)14:44
DocScrutinizerfirst you set up PAN or USB network, then you simply do the command voodoo on N900 that's suggested for your PC under "sharing your PC internet to N900 via USB" in wiki14:46
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jonwil~seen pali15:46
infobotpali is currently on #maemo (1h 53m 8s) #maemo-ssu (1h 53m 8s), last said: 'freemangordon, see ^^^^^'.15:46
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jonwilso who exactly is it that you sent emails to @ nokia about source (i.e. which packages did you contact maintainers of?)15:50
Palijonwil, a lot of, now idea of number :D15:54
Paliif you want know which all apps I can find it in email history15:54
jonwilthat would be nice :P15:54
Palibut only few people from nokia sent me responce, that they look for status of package but nobody (except that certman) send me source code :D15:56
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jonwilyeah certman and the browser daemon stuff seem to be all we have gotten15:57
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Palinow I cannot start other app, because wine is shit and created 10^n empty files :-( on my hdd15:57
PaliI started script: find . -name ".wine-refresh*" -print | xargs rm15:57
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SpeedEvilIt's good practice to use -print0|xargs -015:58
jonwilif I wasnt still having problems, I would mail the connui-cellular maintainer, the icd-wlan maintainer and the hildon-input-method maintainer15:58
SpeedEvilotherwise fun things happen when you have files named "...\n-rf /'15:59
Palirm * does not work (too many arguments)15:59
PaliI got info that meego/harmattan profiled daemon (which is used for general/silent mode) is open source and interface has same as in fremantle15:59
PaliSpeedEvil, only files .wine-refresh-xxx16:00
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Palijonwil, fremantle profiled is closed, but both fremantle and harmattan support more profiles (not only general & silent)16:02
Paliit would be nice to create more profiles in daemon and use it :-)16:02
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jonwilaccording to the profile daemon meego source, the oldest change log entry says "Harmattan branch of profiled. Branched from Fremantle 0.0.17."16:06
jonwilPR1.3 version of profiled is 0.0.18916:06
jonwilPR1.3 version of profiled is 0.0.1816:06
jonwilthen later it says "Import profiled fixes from Fremantle to Harmattan"16:06
jonwilso presumably that means importing the 0.0.18 changes16:07
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Palijonwil, you can try to build version from git16:09
PaliI got info that some files (like osso-backup scripts) is not present in harmattan version16:09
Paliso must be copied from fremantle (but it is only shell scripts/text config files)16:09
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jonwilMeeGo profiled source tree has osso-backup folder in its repo along with osso-rfs-scripts and osso-cud-scripts16:11
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jonwilas well as debian packaging bits16:11
Palithen ok16:12
jonwilif I wasnt busy with other things right now I would grab that git repo, make a package and compare with Fremantle profild16:12
jonwiland see what is different/missing16:12
jonwilbut I am too busy :)16:12
Pali3 days ago I sent mail to osso-backup developer about state of that package16:13
Paliin copyright is GPL license16:13
Palibut source code missing16:13
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Palijonwil, yesterday my script found source code of osso-backup but only for maemo 3.2:16:16
Paliand it is really GPL16:16
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jonwilShould be possible to take the encryption bits from that tree and see what happens when you feed a Fremantle encrypted backup through it16:17
Paliencryption is only in zip I think16:18
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jonwilno, encryption is not zip encryption16:18
jonwilits using AES on top of the zip file16:18
jonwilI know this because I tried to reverse engineer it a while back16:19
jonwilgood job finding it though, it should be possible to make a tool to decrypt osso-backup files without a n900 to restore it with16:20
Palijonwil, ok then if you have time try it :-)16:21
jonwilif I get the time I will play with it some more16:22
Paligrep saying this: #include <openssl/aes.h>16:22
jonwilI know its using openssl, I knew that before16:22
Paliso source code for that now we have :-)16:23
jonwilI should be able to run the old source files through Fremantle GCC and compare it to Fremantle osso-backup and see whats different16:23
jonwilfor the couple of source files involved in decryption16:23
jonwilcompare as in disassemble with IDA :)16:23
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Palifreemangordon, merlin1991, DocScrutinizer, see ^^^^ I think now we can decrypt n900 backup without n90016:24
jonwilIt will take some work but it looks like the code pali found is close to the N900 code16:25
jonwilthe function names at least match what I remember seeing16:25
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Palijonwil, maybe looking on we can find more closed packages :P16:26
jonwilmaybe, please keep looking :)16:26
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Palinext I found diablo MCE source code (in rtcom repo, but I think you know that)16:26
Paliand that is all, for what I search16:27
jonwilyeah I already seen diablo MCE code16:27
jonwilnot that useful since on Diablo all the jucy stuff was in DSME16:27
jonwiland on Fremantle the moved the "secret" bits to MCE so they could open up DSME16:28
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jonwilthen on MeeGo they removed some of the good stuff (presumably because it was still secret or because MeeGo didn't need it or both) and released MCE code16:28
jonwiland Harmattan used the open MeeGo MCE code as a base16:28
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DocScrutinizerPali: (profiled) Mohammad and me looked into that some "years ago", and already found out that profiled does support arbitrary profiles, but the profile switcher plugin of statusmenu (iirc) was the roadblock to actually use this feature16:32
jonwilStill good that we found source code that is close enough to Fremantle code to be usable as a replacement16:32
jonwilor at least it should be, will do some checks and reverse engineering later to verify16:33
PaliDocScrutinizer, ok, so we only needs to rewrite status menu, systemui and control panel applet :D just funny16:33
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jonwilis down for anyone else?16:36
Palijonwil, developer of fremantle profiled version wrote me that new harmattan is compatible and if I know some problems to use it I can write and he can help me16:36
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jonwilwell I still plan to check it just for fun :)16:37
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jonwilwhen I get the chance16:37
DocScrutinizerjonwil: well, if we can augment profiled so it properly reacts to dbus msgs and sets/stores arbitrary profiles, we would have a nice thing to base on16:37
jonwilas for the plugins, I am checking now to see just what we would need to replace for profile stuff16:38
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DocScrutinizerI also would *love* to teach profiled to not only care about ringtone and volume and vib, but also for arbitrary other settings16:39
DocScrutinizeron a opt-in basis16:39
jonwilperfect candidate for the CSSU, improved profiled16:39
jonwilwith config options to enable the extra settings16:39
jonwiland rewritten cpl and status bar gizmos16:40
Paliand systemui menu16:40
DocScrutinizerI.E. if I set a marker bool in dbus msg for screen brightness, it will store screen brightness to the profile, and on restoring that profile will also set the screen brightness to that stored value16:40
jonwilsystemui stuff is handled through /etc/systemui/systemui.xml16:41
Palijonwil, ok16:41
jonwilit contains 2 entries for powerup_mainmenu_silent and powerup_mainmenu_general16:41
jonwilso we dont need to clone systemui code, just augment the widget somehow16:41
jonwilI mean the XML16:41
jonwilto add whatever we want to add16:41
Palisounds good16:42
jonwilthe XML entries call dbus
DocScrutinizerwe'd need some way to track all changes made since invocation of settings app, and then offer a checkmark box for each such change, when storing a profile16:42
DocScrutinizerstore value of each checkmarked item to that profile16:43
Palialso source code of time/clock daemon would be usefull - change code to use NTP server or ntpd or use time from GSP...16:43
PaliI already sent mail to clock daemon devs16:44
DocScrutinizerumm, doesn't openntpd do that for you16:44
Palibut why to have started 10 daemons?16:44
DocScrutinizerwell, yeah. Not opposed to it, just saying we don't really need timed for that16:45
DocScrutinizertbh openntpd also is sub-optimal for all mobile devices. It's just too busy keeping time up to date16:46
jonwilI bet clock stuff is closed because it contains bits to talk to cell tower for clock stuff16:46
jonwilso yeah for profiles, we need to replace maemo-applet-profiles (control panel)16:47
DocScrutinizermy suggestion been: include ntpd -q to ifup script16:47
jonwiland status-menu-applet-profiles (status bar widget)16:48
DocScrutinizerjonwil: exactly16:48
jonwilwasnt there already a replacement out there for one of those?16:48
DocScrutinizerjonwil: probably (time)16:48
DocScrutinizerwell, tweakr does something like that, but doesn't use profiled16:49
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DocScrutinizerso yeah, there *is* a replacement and I'm using it since ages16:49
DocScrutinizerjust it's kinda kinky16:49
DocScrutinizeras it rewrites values of standard profile16:50
jonwilseems to be what I was thinking of16:50
jonwiland also
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jonwilso we have what should be usable baselines for replacements for all the profile stuff16:50
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jonwilassuming the MeeGo profiled stuff really does match Fremantle profiled (which is on my todo-when-I-get-some-time list)16:51
DocScrutinizerrecently I got pissed by that tweakr limited functionality and searched for better alternatives - there are alternatives but I haven't come to evaluate them16:51
jonwilcurrently looking for anyone who talks to profiled via dbus or libprofile0 for interests sake :)16:51
DocScrutinizerrecently == last Thursday16:51
Palijonwil, you can try to compare symbols in libprofile*.so* in fremantle & harmattan version16:52
jonwilthats part of the plan16:52
DocScrutinizerPali: \o/16:52
jonwilneed to compile the MeeGo tree on my box16:52
jonwiland start there16:53
DocScrutinizerwhat meego are we actually talking about? HARM meego or TRUE meego?16:53
jonwilin this case we are talking about
jonwilat least I am16:54
DocScrutinizerdoesn't answer my question for me16:54
jonwilThat code is what MeeGo is using16:54
jonwilwhat Harmattan is using I dont know16:54
DocScrutinizerI *guess* that'S true meego16:54
DocScrutinizeryeah, not HARM16:54
jonwilok, mediaplayer is using profiled over dbus16:55
Paliharmattan is using this:
DocScrutinizerWTF is mohammad?16:55
Paliso this is harmattan version of profiled16:55
Paliprofiled (0.30.1-1) harmattan; urgency=low16:56
DocScrutinizerI think there's been a note in MWKN, maybe it got a link to that convo back when16:56
jonwilwell in any case that code seems close enough to Fremantle version to be something I can check16:56
jonwilas in its close enough that I can find out if there are differences we care about16:56
jonwilok, only things talking to profiled are libprofile0, libqtsysteminfo, and mediaplayer16:57
jonwilplus sytsemui.xml16:57
jonwilusers of libprofile are16:58
* jonwil waits for search to complete16:59
jonwilusers of libprofile are17:00
jonwiland thats it17:04
jonwilin terms of stock filesystem anyway17:04
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jonwilso I added 2 things to my todo list17:05
jonwilfirstly is to see whats different between meego profiled tree and Fremantle profiled17:05
jonwiland secondly is to see if the osso-backup code we found is usable to decrypt Fremantle backups17:05
Palijonwil, what I forget to told you: My script found some PRIVATE GPG key in one source tarball on repository.maemo.org17:08
Paliit is really funny :D:D17:08
* jonwil wonders if that key is used for anything impoprtant17:08
Palimaybe key for signing APT GPG?17:09
Palibut did you ever see any private GPG key in some public package?17:10
jonwilno idea, only way to find out would be to see if the public key matches anything17:10
jonwiland no, that is clearly a mistake :)17:10
PaliDocScrutinizer, any idea? ^^17:10
DocScrutinizermaybe HARM's master key? X-P17:10
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PaliDocScrutinizer, you have also harmattan DVD with source code (I do not know where is my :D), is on that DVD anything special?17:14
Paliusefull for fremantle?17:14
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jonwilI bet there is nothing on that DVD that isnt in the harmattan repo17:15
Palijonwil, no17:15
Palisource code of last kernel missing in harmattan repo17:15
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jonwilsomeone should look for interesting things in harmattan repo or on this DVD :)17:23
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jonwilsee, the trick is to know all the places where useful-for-fremantle source may live :)17:32
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DocScrutinizerumm, pali's gone?17:46
DocScrutinizerjonwil: (where src live) I think we got a wiki page listing all known locations17:47
DocScrutinizeranyway no I don't have that DVD, I only got that .iso you find on my server17:47
jonwildoes said iso contain anything useful?17:48
DocScrutinizersure, kernel sources for HARM17:48
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DocScrutinizerI've never looked into it17:48
jonwilgot a link so I can look for interesting stuff? :P17:48
DocScrutinizerI downloaded it from some other place directly to my server17:48
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RST38hCity center looks like a freaking occupied zone17:52
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jonwilgoing to pull all .dsc files from and compare to those in that iso18:07
jonwilthat will tell what is different18:07
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shanttuhow to make playlists on pc that works on n900?19:40
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Siceloif you mean stock Media PPlayer, afaik answer is None19:48
shanttuSicelo, will use Rockbox or Someplayer19:49
Siceloi guess those can use general m3u's19:51
shanttuIf I got it right creating playlist on pc (using amarok, clementine, banshee etc) and just copy them the path is not correct19:51
shanttuwondering if there is an easy way to modify the path19:52
shanttuif i open a playlist on gedit is not straight-forward enough (for me atleast)19:52
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Palior ed19:53
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merlin1991shanttu: for the stockp player you can actually do simple m3u lists20:13
shanttumerlin1991, hint, please?20:15
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merlin1991I'll pastebin you a sample20:20
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Sicelom3u is plain text ;)20:23
shanttumerlin1991, thanks.20:23
shanttuSicelo, i know but couldn't find logic to edit it. newbie20:24
DocScrutinizerplaylists on N900 are based on tracker "pathes", not on real filesystem directory location20:25
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: tracker imports m3u properly20:26
DocScrutinizerooh it does?20:26
merlin1991if the paths in it relative the m3u file fit20:26
merlin1991*relative to*20:26
DocScrutinizerquite possible20:26
merlin1991they end up in the stock player under playlists importet lists20:27
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DocScrutinizerso how do you make MP aware of such a list?20:27
DocScrutinizerdoes it offer some *real* filesystem filepicker dialog or what?20:28
merlin1991if tracker found it it's avaiable in the ui20:28
DocScrutinizerunder which name?20:28
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DocScrutinizeroriginal filename minus the .m3u ending?=20:29
merlin1991just checking20:29
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DocScrutinizeror again some BS trackerd invented from looking at content?20:29
merlin1991nope filename minus extension20:30
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DocScrutinizershanttu: so just make sure your m3u list doesn't have any weird pathnames in front of the filname.mp3, then place the whole playlist into same dir as the mp3 files20:32
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: or will it need ./ header?20:32
merlin1991and actually the files of the list are outside the directory somewhere else20:33
merlin1991and it still works20:33
merlin1991my music taste or that it works with non relative paths? :D20:33
shanttumerlin1991, much appreciated20:34
DocScrutinizerthe latter20:35
DocScrutinizerthat it works with no paths at all20:35
merlin1991sometimes tracker has good moments ;)20:35
DocScrutinizerwhich means you can't have same song twice in different album20:35
merlin1991there always is a downside20:35
DocScrutinizerdie mafw&mediaplayer, DIE!!20:36
DocScrutinizerand tacke tracker with you20:36
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* DocScrutinizer suggests a `find /*/ -exec 'mv {} $(basename {} ;'`20:39
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DocScrutinizerwhat for do we need or want *any* directories at all, when tracker does its best to eliminate all meaning from full pathname/dirnames20:39
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raandoomi have script for creating playlist in mafw-playlists folder :) somebody need it?20:40
* DocScrutinizer feels like back to CPM2.220:40
DocScrutinizermeh, make that DOS1.220:41
DocScrutinizerat least we can have more than 8.3 X-P20:41
DocScrutinizertrackerd, the cool tool they turned into fool tool20:42
DocScrutinizerand now for a special gag: HARM is storing *everything* inside trackerdb20:42
DocScrutinizercontacts? tracker.  SMS? tracker. Mails? tracker. WHAT THE FUCK??!20:43
merlin1991and the mafw framework isn't open anymore :/20:44
DocScrutinizerprbably we should replace ext3 rootfs by a generic trackerdb partition, for HARM20:44
DocScrutinizerhonestly when we store mails and contacts in trackerdb, then why not store /etc/* there as well?20:45
merlin1991well we need *some* persitance ;)20:45
DocScrutinizermaybe replace kernel by trackerd, which in turn loads vmlinuz from its trackerdb into RAM20:46
DocScrutinizerMEH, my blood pressure suffers from deregulation20:47
DocScrutinizerfeel the strange urge to hurt somebody severely20:47
DocScrutinizerbut that's wrong channel for this sort of rant20:48
DocScrutinizernot that we hadn't enough of rant about tracker being spawn from hell in this very channel, so Nokia could've learnt for HARM20:49
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DocScrutinizerbut NOOOOOO way20:49
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DocScrutinizersame stubborn clinging to obsolete proven fubar design principles like with platsec20:51
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Paliping freemangordon21:17
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shanttumerlin1991, DocScrutinizer creating playlists is simple now. thanks again21:42
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DocScrutinizeractually your question made me learn sth, that's the kind of questions we love to chew on21:43
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Palifreemangordon, see my post in thread about n900 720p videos21:53
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