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newbie007hi, I'm trying to install the Maemo SDK with the Gui installer. I've gotten the sh script to work. Is there any reason to run the GUI now? The Gui always hangs while downloading some file. Is there anyone here that can help me with this?01:35
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Estel_newbie007,  You can use GUI but it's not required01:37
Estel_if it fails, just ommit it.01:37
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newbie007so I've already installed everything then... ?01:37
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Estel_mayday, mayday ;) I have accidentaly mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of blk0p7 (my internal fallback swap)03:27
Estel_yet, MyDocs seems to be working fine and my precious music collection is there working03:27
SpeedEvilmkswap only touches the first block03:27
Estel_yet again, mkswap was succesful, showing 19GB as available swap space03:27
SpeedEvilAnd the last block?03:27
SpeedEvildid you swapon?03:28
Estel_now, any way to redo risk?03:28
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Estel_You know, before that, if I accidentaly swapon /dev/mmcblk0p1, it would just say 'invalid argument'03:28
Estel_now it may be little catastrophic ;)03:28
SpeedEvilI'm unsure if mydocs wil mount again03:29
robbiethe1stI'd say the best thing to do is use rsync to copy everything off your mydocs before touching /anything else03:29
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Estel_not so much as /dev/mmcblk0p2, but yet, would like to redo03:29
robbiethe1stHave a SD card in there?03:29
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Estel_Thought about that. Then, re-mkfs mmcblk0p1, yes?03:29
robbiethe1stSomething like that. If fsck can't fix it03:30
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Estel_yea, but my mydocs content is bigger than sd card. Well, I think ssh'ing and backuping mydocs content would be ok?03:30
robbiethe1stIf you've got a nice linux machine with ssh, great.03:30
SpeedEvilIIRC it won't mount without the first block03:31
SpeedEvila quick look at my first block reinforces that suggestion03:31
robbiethe1stOtherwise, you'd have to use the sd method. Mind, you want to plug it in via usb but /not/ enable mass storage mode when doing so - the battery will drain extremely quickly when copying stuff via ssh03:31
Estel_thanks a lot. Going to get it fixed now. Thanks for tip about risk of no-next mount03:31
SpeedEvilgood luck03:32
robbiethe1stY'know, one other option would be to make a loopback image the same size on your desktop, format it fat32, then use dd to copy it's first and last blocks over the myDocs first and last blocks03:32
robbiethe1stI'd try it /after/ backing up, of course03:32
Estel_robbiethe1st,  fortunately, I'm siting on recently charged 3000mAh battery and copying 11GB (from 19GB mydocs) barely scratches it03:32
Estel_hm, nice idea03:32
SpeedEvilI'm unsure the first block doesn't have metainfo too03:32
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Estel_well, I think the safest thing I can do is to just backup things and redo filesystem.03:33
robbiethe1stEstel, I dunno... When my N900's USB broke, I backed up my MyDocs over ssh via wifi... it took like four fully charged batteries to do it03:33
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Estel_it was vfat after all, so no symlinks etc - just stuff I would like to not re-encode again03:33
robbiethe1stAnd those were what... 1250mah new batteries03:34
Estel_robbiethe1st,  strange, I constantly drop and backup big files (backupmenu optfs backups) and it's fast and nice on battery03:34
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robbiethe1stCould have been due to lowish signal strength or something03:34
Estel_my optfs is 1.5GB and I'm usually backing up them to PC as a bulk of few, so it's 10GB or so03:35
Estel_it's possible. or are You using injection drivers for everyday usage?03:35
Estel_those have increased power drain due to things in osso-something. CSSU is going to fix that03:36
robbiethe1stNah, don't have those drivers at all03:37
Estel_I was experimenting with cryptsetup, and after lotta hell of enabling, disabing, encrypting, mkswap'ing, I finally made mistake. Fortunately, spoted it due to "correct" swap being encryed but unabled to swapon it... traced history down to see mkswap mmcblk0p1...03:37
Estel_I see03:37
Estel_BTW Robbie, Yoy've lost interest in developing backupmenu further?03:37
Estel_not demanging, asking out of curiosity03:37
Estel_(silence) :P seriously though, take Your time, I'll be back after fixing mydocs03:38
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robbiethe1stSomewhat, yeah. Mainly because I, A, managed to lose my harddisk and didn't have my stuff setup, and B, got a job which is having me work 9-10hr days03:39
robbiethe1stAlso, I sort of need to at least /try/ to make one for the N9/n950, but... again, lost files = hard time03:39
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robbiethe1st...And I'll have to figure out how to upload files again, get that all configured and such03:41
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robbiethe1stNote that since the... incident... I've got a 2TB Barracuda Green drive that I rsync to every week, need it or not.03:44
robbiethe1stAlso, Firefox Sync for keeping my tabs/history/cookies etc up to date on a hourly basis03:44
Estel_robbiethe1st,  no one from Debian forum traced down why it happened?03:48
robbiethe1stNah, I still haven't gotten a good reason for it.03:49
Estel_Of course I've been through whole story as soon as You posted it, still scratching my head about it03:49
robbiethe1stThe only thing I can come up with is that I'd mounted my drive to /tmp/Data... Perhaps something decided to wipe out /everything/ in /tmp/ for some odd reason03:49
robbiethe1stHowever, I'd done that many times previous without issues, so...03:50
Estel_housecleaning after update ;)03:50
Estel_no idea, honestly03:50
Estel_pity that You actually were close to recover it if I recall correctly03:50
robbiethe1stWell, I have a 1.2TB image of the disk; If I have a string in the file, I can find one or more copies of it usually...03:51
robbiethe1stBut there's a rediculous amount of data there, and no way to find a lot of things - like zip archives, for instance.03:51
robbiethe1stAlso, I -- fortunately -- have a good archive of my BM files on my N900's drive, and a year-old copy of everything else03:52
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SpeedEvilzip archives have a magic number at the start - and if contiguous03:53
SpeedEvilalso - if you have an image - why not mount it?03:54
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robbiethe1stSE: example of my problem: Take an EXT4 fs, do "rm /mount/ -rf"03:55
robbiethe1stNow try to find your files.03:55
robbiethe1stSo there's a filesystem on there, but no records to where the files are. The data's on disk, but how to find it automatically is hard.03:55
robbiethe1stIf for no other reason than the huge number of false positives, old versions of files and...03:56
SpeedEvilDid you actually rm?03:56
SpeedEvilOr did you damage the fs?03:57
robbiethe1stI'm pretty sure, from actually looking at the data structures in question, that it got rm -rf'd. I didn't run the command personally, though03:57
robbiethe1stI say this because there's no inode tables around. Period.03:57
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robbiethe1st(well, stub tables, but nothing with my files in it)03:58
Estel_SpeedEvil,  the strange part is that it happened during distro upgrade03:58
Estel_no one got idea why03:58
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SpeedEvilrobbiethe1st: ah - you've been playing with debugfs and frineds tneh?03:59
robbiethe1stI've tried a number of tools, but most of my information has come from looking at it with a hex editor03:59
Estel_checking 1.2 TB image with a hex editor must be lotta hell of fun04:00
robbiethe1stAs well as grep and a custom tool to run grep on a gig of cached data04:00
robbiethe1stWell, it's more like run program to find where some data structure is, look at that block with a hex editor04:00
Estel_I see, that's diferrent thing04:01
Estel_I also got funny day with filesystems today, although on much smaller scale04:01
Estel_for the very first time ever my device got strange lockout, during making call04:02
Estel_just frozen04:02
Estel_i got wifi enabled, so sshed into it04:02
Estel_was able to ls etc04:02
robbiethe1stWell, the only thing I can say in relation to my problem is: Backup, backup, backup. Get a hot-swap sata bay, run a backup script every week at least04:02
Estel_top wasn't showing anything unusual04:02
Estel_killall some things wasn't taking *any* effect04:03
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Estel_so shell commands like ls were working04:03
Estel_but other didn'r result in anything04:03
Estel_shutdown or reboot resulted always in lockdown of terminal console from where i sshed04:03
Estel_I was able to re-connect immediately04:03
Estel_yet device was still frozen as is. strange.04:04
Estel_after some tricks to force reboot failed, I was forced to shutdown via powerbutton longpress04:04
Estel_ofcourse /home/ got corrupted, I fsck'ed it from backupmenu root terminal, but, like in story I've described sometimes ago, e2fs is screwed04:05
Estel_so, after fixing plentora of things e2fs just segfaulted04:05
Estel_fortunatelly, I've had backup from few days ago, and as I wasn't doing many things related to rootf/optfs correlation (yet, I've prepared important scripts for TrueCrypt on rootfs) I just restored optfs04:06
Estel_then, reinstalled everything that could be installed in between04:06
Estel_it's pity that while having such nice tool as backupmenu and root console (backupmenu or standalone), we're screwed due to outdated e2fs04:07
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Estel_probably, connecting in read&write mass storage mode to linuxbox and fsck'ing from there would help, though04:07
Estel_and now, this little mess with MyDocs, caused by me. Of course, all after all, it's all happily solved thanks to backups or asking here ;)04:08
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robbiethe1stSeems like we ought to be able to upgrade the optfs to ext3 or 4, now that we have a root terminal to play with that doesn't require it04:09
robbiethe1stAs in, we can keep trying till it works04:10
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Estel_hehe, I use ext4 for optfs for ages04:10
Estel_modified backupmenu to support it04:10
Estel_with help (well, most work is his) of ivygalez04:10
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Estel_I also use ext4 for ED dedicated partition and everyday use truecrypt part04:11
AndrewX192Estel_: That new uboot menu isnt' working great for me04:17
AndrewX192All I really want to do is have the possibility to install Meego CE or Nitdroid on my device again04:18
AndrewX192But maybe I should stick with robbiethe1st's BackupMenu and call it a day04:18
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AndrewX192The thing is, I will be dependent on kernel-power, so anything that moves me back to the stock kernel will break things big time04:19
AndrewX192I think I can re-install kernel-power via flasher tools on another machine, correct?04:20
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Estel_AndrewX192,  wait for bugs being hammered, then install, immediately create combined with kernel power, and flash it again04:20
Estel_then, any next thing You want to load will be only in memory, without flashing04:20
Estel_no, if You flash kp from flasher after ubooting, You will loose uboot04:21
Estel_but, preparing combined image of kp with buoot and flashing it (from device, as Pali explained) will be ok04:21
AndrewX192Estel_: I can't boot kernel-power from that version of u-boot04:21
Estel_so either find out what You're doing wrong, or, if it's really bug, wait for fix04:22
AndrewX192It just sits at "Booting from  (mtdblock4 jffs2)"04:22
Estel_Pali is developing it very actively04:22
Estel_no idea havent tried it myself04:22
Estel_normally I test things eagerly, but as for uboot, I'm going to wait a little04:22
AndrewX192What bootloader are you using?04:23
Estel_can't affor to make my device unbootable by accident, I'm traveling much, often without access to flasher3.5-able machine04:23
AndrewX192I'm thinking about getting a spare N900 for testing04:23
Estel_NOLO, everyone is forced to use it as for now :P even uboot is loaded by NOLO04:23
Estel_I hope one day we'll be able to replace NOLO with uboot04:23
AndrewX192Okay, so how does uboot/multiboot/* get loaded then?04:24
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Estel_anyway, I'm using multiboot with backupmenu04:24
AndrewX192Is it an script in an initrd with stock kernel?04:24
Estel_NOLO loads it, simple as that.04:24
Estel_no idea.04:24
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AndrewX192Okay, well I'm going to get backupmenu going again and reload my stock PR 1.304:25
AndrewX192Stock w/ CSSU and a few custom patches04:25
AndrewX192How well does multiboot work with backupmenu?04:25
Estel_I've installed multiboot ages ago, as I though I'll like to use nitroid or meegoCE. But, I realized than nitroid is of no interest to me, and before Mer/Nemo/Lipstick will be usable enough,we'll have u-boot already04:25
Estel_so, generally I'm not using multiboot except for entering backupmenu, which is not flashing anything anyway04:26
AndrewX192I don't really need nitdroid on my device, but it would be kinda neet I guess04:26
Estel_there is package called backupmenu-multiboot04:26
AndrewX192So does backupmenu start when you turn on your device w/ keyboard open?04:26
Estel_somewhere on forum, linked from 1st page of backupmenu thread04:26
AndrewX192Or do you control it via multiboot04:27
Estel_no, multiboot start with keyboard open04:27
Estel_and one of it's options is backupmenu04:27
AndrewX192That's a lot better than default backupmenu04:27
Estel_I have also manually upgraded backupmenu version, as one in multiboot-backupmenu is outdated04:27
AndrewX192Because I end up leaving my keyboard out by mistake when rebooting, then I have to enter my password to get into backupmenu..04:27
AndrewX192so I can quit it :|04:27
Estel_I've also modified it to work with my ext404:27
Estel_no worries, in backupmenu or backupmenu-multiboot thread there are instructions04:28
AndrewX192The version of backupmenu I was using worked with ext404:28
AndrewX192I had to mount manually though04:28
Estel_it's as simple as copying some files and replacing content of another ones04:28
Estel_well, backuping and restoring ext4 worked for You?04:28
AndrewX192Oh, didn't test that04:28
AndrewX192Just console mode04:29
Estel_actually, during restoration backupmenu nukes opt partition04:29
Estel_and recreates it as ext304:29
AndrewX192And extracts the original contents back onto it?04:29
Estel_one need to change all rellevant occurences of ext3 in backupmenu scripts to ext404:29
AndrewX192And then your rootfs is expecting ext4?04:29
Estel_rootfs shouldnt be changed to ext404:29
AndrewX192I know that04:30
Estel_just /home/, dev/mmcblk0p204:30
Estel_ah I see04:30
AndrewX192But your rootfs's scripts look for an ext4 partition04:30
AndrewX192Can't find it04:30
AndrewX192So bootloop04:30
Estel_yes, using ext4 require changes in preinit scripts04:30
AndrewX192But you could use backupmenu to fix that issue, until you can make the correct fix04:30
Estel_yea, but my backupmenu is kind and after nuking restore everything as ext404:30
Estel_ah also04:31
AndrewX192So I should install backupmenu-multiboot and modify as needed?04:31
Estel_using ext4 You must specify ext4 as module to being load by multiboot04:31
Estel_there is option for that04:31
Estel_just replace ext3 with ext404:31
Estel_as for migrating to ext4 there is wiki page about changing eMMC filesystem04:32
AndrewX192It doesn't look like I can get backupmenu on here w/o reflashing04:32
AndrewX192I've already done it once04:32
AndrewX192I modified the rootfs to look for ext4 from console mode within backupmenu04:32
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AndrewX192Heh, my N900 is showing some rss feed from 2009 about the N900 being released04:37
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Estel_how cute04:42
AndrewX192Okay, I got that new u-boot menu working with multiboot04:43
AndrewX192If I open the keyboard when I turn on the device, I can choose an kernel04:43
AndrewX192THen I have to close it quickly before backupmenu appears04:43
AndrewX192I bet if I call the update script to u-boot it will break04:44
AndrewX192Because the .item file is there04:44
AndrewX192BackupMenu uses /etc/bootmenu.d/04:45
Estel_having uboot You shouldn't need multiboot04:47
AndrewX192It installs both anyways04:48
AndrewX192That's why I was having those issues in the thread on TMO04:48
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AndrewX192Estel_: so all you did is modify backupmenu and replace ext3 with ext4?04:54
Estel_yea, but only where appropriate. Just look at code that You want to modify before doing so.04:55
AndrewX192Of course. Okay04:55
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AndrewX192Estel_: What exactly am I flashing when using u-boot / flasher on device?04:58
AndrewX192The kernel, initramfs..?04:59
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Estel_just with uboot, kernel image got also uboot at start05:00
AndrewX192I restored with backupmenu and u-boot is still there05:00
Estel_because it's in kernel asMive said, backupmenu doesn't have anything to do with kernel05:01
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AndrewX192Estel_: so on another completely different note, my N900 takes about 5 minutes before it realizes it has a SIM in it on every boot - ideas?05:02
Estel_unfortunatelly, no, but it may be indication if hardware failure of sim pins. I hope that it isn't, but....05:03
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Estel_check forum for old trick with paper, and if it makes difference, consider resoldering05:04
AndrewX192That's what I found TMO mentioning, and I did the paper trick05:04
Estel_I'm off for now, as I've finished MyDocs backuo, going to re mkfs it and restore. Good night! (morning)05:04
Estel_I see05:04
AndrewX192T-Mobile said they are "updating the towers" in the area, but I suspect B.S. on that05:04
Estel_of course bt05:04
Estel_anyway, You can check other sim05:04
Estel_if it's exactly same time everytime, it's rather something softareish05:05
AndrewX192What are you converting MyDocs to?05:05
Estel_nothing, just mkswap'ed it accidentaly05:05
AndrewX192But it exists on a stock pr 1.3 image05:05
Estel_fortunately, not swapon'ed05:05
AndrewX192Estel_: lol, how did you do that05:05
Estel_while experimenting with cryptsetup and enxrypted swap05:06
Estel_just typed mmcblk0p105:06
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Estel_instead of p705:06
AndrewX192Are you using truecrypt as well?05:06
Estel_anyway, I was able to copy back my data - If I would unmount it, it would probably not mount again05:06
Estel_hehe, I'm truecrypt package maintainer ;)05:06
Estel_so, fortunately, I'm using it05:07
AndrewX192I use cryptsetup on my other Linux machines, but on N900 it seams truecrypt is the way to go05:07
Estel_well, both can cooperate nicely05:07
Estel_when top security is required, You just encrypt swap also with cryptsetup, to not avoid leaking data from mounted truecrypt partition via swapping05:07
Estel_I'm preparing set of scripts for next version of truecrypt05:08
Estel_that ease it05:08
Estel_also, truecrypt and little mod to result in mass-storage to desktops, where desktop see partition that is encrypted via truecrypt on N900 itself05:09
Estel_= no need for truecrypt on PC that You connect N900 to05:09
Estel_= drop in replacement for expensive and often insecure encrypted pendrives and HDs05:09
AndrewX192That's an idea05:09
Estel_another thing our N900 handles well05:09
Estel_check truecrypt announce thread on tmo, instructions are there05:10
AndrewX192Did you use truecrypt for your /home ?05:10
Estel_I'll try to prepare some scripts for it in new version, but it will always require some manual user input to determine when to mass-storage it or when not05:10
Estel_well, we don't want to arbitraty show every tc partition to computer in mass-storage05:11
Estel_no, I don't see reason for encrypting whole home, performance-wise05:11
Estel_it's better to mive priv things like phonebook, contacts, messages etc to truecrypt partition05:11
Estel_and symlink it05:11
Estel_anyway, I'm off for now. See ya!05:12
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psycho_oreoshahahaha, I just stumbled upon a thread where vi_ was almost off his face08:19
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plateall app menus are unselectable beacuse wdgt_va_12h_hors:wdgt_va_minutes wdgt_va_am makes status corner wider thn screen10:27
plateive reinstalled all locale stuff countless times10:27
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plateeven grep Package /var/lib/dpkg/status|cut -f 1 | xargs apt-get install --reinstall 947 packages10:27
plateadded entries to /etc/locale-gen, run locale-gen, and dpkg --reinstall'd locales10:28
platenothing works10:28
psycho_oreosreflash? ;)10:28
plate/usr/lib/locales/locale-archive generates fine, and finally10:28
platethe control panel *Crashes* the entire OS trying to select a region, and the menu is now blank10:28
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platespent a ton of time manually compiling obscure stuff thats not in any repo10:29
platenot about to reflash all that away10:29
plateive got a pretty solid dev setup on it for wahtever framework i want etc, but damn if i cant get hildon to not idiotically obscure the damn app menus10:29
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psycho_oreosyou should have created backups using backupmenu which robbiethe1st created :)10:30
plateit all started when i rm -rf'd /usr/share/locale due to 0 bytes of disk free on /10:30
plate i figured i could just reinstall locale packages10:30
psycho_oreoswell I don't know apart from that.. I have ran into that issue before but in the end I resorted to reflashing.. this was before I had backupmenu10:30
platewhich i did, every single one in apt-cache search!10:30
infobotfrom memory, backupmenu is
psycho_oreosI thought they were in opt wasn't it?10:31
psycho_oreosthose locales10:31
plateproably soem unoptified debian-sid pkg i installed ;)10:31
platemigght just backup my ruby/python/ghc binaries and reflash though10:32
plateseems crazy to reflash though, i want to figure out the real way to fix it10:32
psycho_oreosthere has to be a reason why it crashes, if you could try running that settings program through X terminal and see if you can get anything useful out of it10:33
plateseen several forum posters claiming it crashes10:33
plateback to pr1.1 even. whokknows10:33
platecopa_ap_cp_nam is the symbol in app-list , i donno what the binary is10:34
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psycho_oreoswait.. aren't we talking about N900 or which maemo device specifically?10:34
platen900 pr1.3 + cssu10:34
platebut probs happened before any cssu upgrades so not blaming that10:34
psycho_oreosyeah I thought as much, hmm10:35
plategonna try symlinking it to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale10:35
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platessh and strace controlpanel10:56
platert_sigaction(SIGWINCH, {SIG_DFL, [], SA_RESTART|0x4000000}, NULL, 8) = 010:56
plateso weird, its like 'freak out and reboot entire OS'10:56
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psycho_oreosunfortuately strace isn't really my field of experience.. so that bit of line you posted made very little sense to me.. all I can sense is that it was the last bit of message before the whole thing rebooted11:05
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platekill -9 hildon-desktop and straceing it i see it opening /usr/share/locale/en_US which does exist, so hrmpf11:16
plateits still shoving in the default straings somehow11:16
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platethat SA_RESTART is something about retriggering a signal i think, not rebooting11:17
platecuz i see it happening other times11:17
plateguess i should pole aroudn in /dev/mtdoops to see if aby sort of OS crash log is being written11:17
platestill dont get how a crashy controlpanel brings down an entire OS tho11:18
platefeels like a Mac circa 199211:18
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plateSA_RESTART Provide behaviour compatible with BSD signal semantics by making certain system calls restartable across signals."11:19
plateatleast this is UNIX. gotta love how hildon-desktop is just an X client11:20
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platethink im just gona use illume instead of matchbox/hildon, we'll see if phone app still works11:23
platei just remembered, im using debian sid's GLIBC  that could have somethin gto do with hildon invisibly failing11:24
platepraobly i should bite hte bullet and continue sidification process then11:24
* plate tweaks11:24
platenothin glike a good frankensys11:25
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ruskie <-- heh suprised... not really...14:40
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lardmanA belated Happy New Year to all15:04
lardmanSpeedEvil: ping15:04
SpeedEvilYou too15:06
lardmanI trust you had a nice Xmas?15:06
SpeedEvilNot great.15:06
SpeedEvilBut meh.15:06
lardmanI was wanting to pick your brain re barcodes and Tescos lookups15:06
lardmanoh :(15:06
lardmanI'm wondering whether there are any open or free access sources of barcode/product description -> nutritional data15:07
SpeedEvilfree access, not open15:07
lardmanWell, part way :)15:07
SpeedEvil - list of barcodes as of middlish of last year15:07
SpeedEvilfrom tesco15:07
SpeedEvilto product descriptions15:08
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SpeedEvil - the API documents15:09
lardmannice, thanks :)15:09
SpeedEvilreally easy API15:10
lardmanany dbs containing nutritional data about products? I'm after carbohydrate, fibre and protein?15:10
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SpeedEvilnot quite15:10
SpeedEvilyou ask it per-product15:10
lardmanah it does that too, cool15:10
SpeedEvilbut it does actually say somewhere in the site that some functionality can only be gotten by scraping.15:11
lardmanok, I'll do some digging15:11
SpeedEviland that this should be done on your server, not by all the clients!15:11
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lardmanbackground - am scratching an itch and looking for correlations between blood sugar, insulin dosage, exercise, etc., and need to find an easy way to record the data, as there's no way I'll write it all down manually15:12
lardmanat least not after the first day15:12
SpeedEvilIs something you should look at15:13
SpeedEvilI've been using it for the last couple of years.15:13
SpeedEvilIt basically is almost annoying enough to make me write something better.15:13
lardmanI grabbed a couple of Android apps that allow barcode scanning and they perform lookups, I was considering hacking their lookup commands15:13
edheldillardman:  into mBarcode?15:14
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SpeedEvillardman: What I'd really want wouldn't be solely barcode based.15:14
SpeedEvilI mean - sure - that's handy for entering the basic info - but you need weight too15:14
lardmanedheldil: no, though that should be easy enough to add once I work out the commands - progress has been slow, need to get the bloody delegates finished for the N9(50) version, then look at extra plugins15:15
lardmanSpeedEvil: sure, though some barcodes presumably are for different weights of products15:15
lardmanit's just an added way or removing typing15:15
SpeedEvilI rarely eat a whole tub of ice-cream.15:15
SpeedEvilIt would also be useful to key off other stuff.15:16
lardmanWell I'd have # servings and/or weight15:16
SpeedEvilSo you can scan some coffee.15:16
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SpeedEvilAnd say 'I never eat this alone, it's a key for 1.5g of coffee, 100g of skimmed milk'15:16
SpeedEvilBut practically, you probably want a scrolly list of pictures of foods to click15:16
lardmanyes, have some preset "meals"15:16
SpeedEvilThe 'meals' concept of livestrong is useful.15:17
SpeedEvilyou have a group of foods that total (say) 700 calories.15:17
SpeedEvilyou enter that.15:17
SpeedEviland then you can click into it, and - if for example you had more potatos - you can bump up the quantity.15:17
SpeedEviland it recalculates calories/fiber/...15:18
lardmanyes, would work for set meals15:18
SpeedEvilAdding pedo functions would be good too15:18
lardmanI'm just trying to get a handle on how to collect data without it being too annoying for me15:18
SpeedEvilHaving done this for a while - at least for me - barcodes would be less useful.15:18
lardmanI was considering that, but also looking at wifi ap changes vs time to calculate distance15:18
lardmanSpeedEvil: ok, was only to be one input method, and potentially a way of populating a database to be searched by name/picture/category15:19
SpeedEvilHow does that work for half a cabbage?15:20
SpeedEvilOr an apple?15:20
SpeedEvilI'm probably mentioning things that are v2 issues.15:20
SpeedEvilbut I've been sort-of-thinking about this for a while.15:20
lardmandon't eat cabbage? ;)15:20
SpeedEvilbasically everytime I go to enter food info into annoying ad-laden website.15:21
lardmanscan the barcode for the cabbage?15:21
SpeedEvilAnd if you've thrown the packing away when you opened the cabbage and ate it yesterday?15:21
lardmanthere is also a foc US database of standard items so I understand15:21
lardmanso that could be searched by name15:21
SpeedEvilsome sort of 'recent foods' would be useful.15:21
SpeedEvilfor the above case.15:21
SpeedEvilHow useful this sort of thing is to you depends drastically on stuff.15:22
SpeedEvilFor example, how often you eat meals prepared by someone who is not prepared to work out the caloriwe content15:22
lardmanI know what's in my meals, and how much, so I'd assume the sw would do that for me15:23
SpeedEvilIf you can input the ingredients - it's mostly easy.15:24
SpeedEvilThough some annoying products only have the 'when griled' for example - and assume that some fat frains off.15:24
lardmanah I see15:24
lardmanwell calories are not actually that important for me, though I suppose I should make it sufficiently flexible - I'm really looking at blood sugar15:25
SpeedEvilFair enough.15:25
lardmanso fat is immaterial15:25
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SpeedEvilI've been concentrating on weight, so calories are important.15:25
lardmanthough with that said it may well correlate to speed of carbohydrate release15:25
SpeedEvilI went from ~95Kg to ~75Kg15:26
lardmanin which case it is of some importance for me too15:26
* lardman is constant at 96kg15:26
SpeedEvilAlso fat diabetic people are at much more risk of complications.15:26
SpeedEvilSo dieting is important15:26
SpeedEvil(not saying you're fat, you may simply be big-boned)15:26
SpeedEvilOr 8 feet tall.15:26
lardmanindeed, though in the first instance I only really want to see how one can correlate food exercise general activity etc15:26
lardmanI'm not fat don't worry, despite the name :)15:27
SpeedEvilI've not found muych wrong with caliories in - calories out = 7000/Kg15:27
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SpeedEvilI wish transcutaneous glucometry was easier.15:28
lardmanyes indeed15:28
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lardmansub sampling is bad news15:28
SpeedEvil - hmm, that's not terrible.15:30
lardmanspeaking of calories, /me goes to grab a sandwich, bbiab15:30
SpeedEviloh 1700nm15:30
SpeedEvilthat's an annoying range meaning you need to go to exotic detectors15:30
lardmanonly single point detector though, so still doable15:31
lardmanthough cryogenic presumably15:31
SpeedEvilnot at 1700nm15:31
SpeedEvilgermanium should do it, if it was easily available.15:32
SpeedEvilYou need an actual scanning element - which is a pity - if Ge CCDs were available, it'd be easy - but they're not15:32
SpeedEvilOw - $240 for the detector. Germanium15:34
lardmanindium gallium arsenide15:34
SpeedEvilSeems to be more available than germanium15:35
lardmangermanium is for the lens, transparent to IR15:35
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SpeedEvilyou can also get germanium photodiodes15:35
lardmanah ok15:35
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lardmanlooks like some uncooled CCDs can operate at that range with appropriate filtering, from a quick Google15:36
SpeedEvilthe whole optics to do that would be deeply annoying too15:36
lardmanif it';s only single point then it's not so important15:36
SpeedEvilsilicon tends to peter out at ~1000nm tops IIRC15:36
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AndrewX192My N900 is saying "Device malfunction, reboot in 10 seconds"19:33
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AndrewX192So like 1/10 times it boots19:34
AndrewX192It's completely random19:34
AndrewX192Maybe Estel_ knows :)19:34
Lava_Croftdont send it in to nokia19:34
Lava_Croftthey just hand you an N8, or probably now a Lumia19:34
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Estel_haha, it seems that DocScrutinizer went berserker again19:34
Lava_Croftisnt that dude berzerk all the time?19:34
Estel_well, I'm banned on maemo-ssu ;)19:35
Lava_Crofti would be berzerk too19:35
Lava_Croftif my hostmask had openmoko in it19:35
AndrewX192Estel_: My N900 says "Device Malfunction, reboot in 10 seconds" in green text at the Nokia screen :|19:35
ShadowJKI once knew the situatuin that causes device malfunction message19:35
ShadowJKbut i forgot19:35
DocScrutinizer51no, I'll kick you Estel_ from freenode when you don't stop  messingf with onjoin19:35
AndrewX192ShadowJK: TMO threads seem to relate it to the battery and the kernel being flashed19:36
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  I just contributed to bugtesting19:36
AndrewX192But the battery is fully charged (just charged overnight) and same thing with a different battery19:36
ShadowJKi think it was related to not finding the emmc, or not being able to mount stuff.19:36
Estel_onjoin is fixed on #maemo so i tested it on #maemo-ssu19:36
DocScrutinizer51'isnt that a bug that the bomb goes BOOOM whe I hit that red button?'19:36
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  imagine what could happen if blackhats would find it first, not me ;)19:37
Lava_CroftAndrewX192: get DT-3319:37
Lava_Croftexternal battery charger19:37
DocScrutinizer51then you would live longer19:37
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Estel_for example onjoining porn sites19:37
Estel_Well, could I ask You kindly to unban me from maemo-ssu? ;)19:37
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: you're pushing your luck19:37
AndrewX192I just don't get why it doesn't work 9/10 times and 1/10 times it starts up without any problem19:38
DocScrutinizer51I'm MEGAPISSED19:38
Lava_CroftAndrewX192: n900 character:P19:38
Lava_Croftpissed over some IRC stuff?19:38
Lava_Croftgrab a tea, relax:<19:38
AndrewX192IRC drama19:38
Estel_well, that's just me probably. Didn't mean to piss You, but isn't it a best way to check if it's actually fixed? ;)19:38
DocScrutinizer51YES, as estel makes infobot get kicked for spamming19:38
Estel_*splitted cofee*19:39
Lava_Crofthe makes your bot be kicked19:39
Lava_Croftim not that impressed19:39
Lava_Croftreally, overreacting much?19:39
Lava_Croftoh well, have fun with it19:39
Estel_added benefit. I just set in infobot to inform DocScrutinizer about issue, byt actually using that issue.19:40
Estel_no idea about kicking, but sounds lolish. eh.19:40
DocScrutinizer51I'm consoidering to kickban you *again* here as well19:40
AndrewX192Estel_: you should tell me why my N900 is bootlooping :|19:41
DocScrutinizer51for IRC abuse19:41
Estel_well, You actually fixed that issue, and I can promise to not touch onjoin again anywhere, even on my own irc channel ;)19:41
ruskiewhy not just get some opers involved?19:41
Estel_well, I actually wasnt abusing it. Abuse would be to put adveristment into onjoin.19:41
Estel_I just did it for good reasons, informing You about boomb. By making loud noise.19:42
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  despite being pissed off, You must admit that there is some humour involved.19:42
ruskieyes because the right recation in a crowded airport is to run in and yell bomb when you find it19:42
DocScrutinizer51YOU FOOOOOL!!!!!!! each time you 'touch' onjoin, you make *me* make infobot spam DOZENS of channels, as you're too dull to get how t works19:42
ruskieow and here come some nice people with flashy bits19:42
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  hey, if one non-op on some random channel can make infobot spam dozens of channels, it is an issue, isn't it?19:43
Estel_it's better to know about it sooner than later? I wasnt having idea about other channels, by the way19:44
Lava_Croftso wait19:45
Estel_anyway, I can promise to not abuse - in any means, including sexual - Your pet infobot19:45
Lava_Croftall this is about broken code somewhere?19:45
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer51 sounds like Bioware then19:45
Lava_Croftin their game, its not allowed to dance in fron of hostile NPCs19:45
Lava_Croftbecause of a bug, their attacks will not hit you then19:45
Estel_shhh, You make him bankick me, I would be forced to use new nick :<19:45
Lava_Croftyou get banned for dancing in front of hostile NPCs19:45
Lava_Croftit might be a nice suggestion to tell Estel_ that you will fix the code, while Estel_ promises not to purposefully touch the bug19:46
Lava_Croftinstead of raging against estel19:46
Estel_I promised it anyway ;)19:46
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Lava_Croftand getting MEGAPISSED over some IRC stuff is really unhealthy19:46
Lava_Crofti can only imagine how something in the real world might affect you19:46
Estel_sorry AndrewX192 I'll check Your bug in a while19:47
Lava_Croftand the people around you19:47
Estel_I'm now fighting to save my nick, as they want to cut it off from me for abusing infobot19:47
Estel_well, whatever it sounds.19:47
AndrewX192Estel_: Is it possible to debug a boot, so I can see why it's rebooting?19:47
AndrewX192DocScrutinizer51: Why not implement an ignore feature in the bot?19:47
Estel_AndrewX192,  You're making it worse :P19:48
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NIN102AndrewX192: let me guess, you edited /etc/event.d/rcS-late without testing it before modifing that file?19:48
Lava_Crofti think DocScrutinizer51 knows about the broken bot and i think Estel_ knows about the touchy bug19:48
AndrewX192Estel_: but really. How can I see the reason for the boot loop? I have access to BackupMenu19:48
Lava_Croftbest just leave it alone19:48
AndrewX192NIN102: I modified that file to move to ext4 /home, but it DOES work.. just not 100% of the time19:49
DocScrutinizer51I'm busy at work right now. I'm not master of infobot, only (one of the) bot admin. Bot HAS an ignore feature, we always thought we don't need it as users are not as stubburn as estel19:49
AndrewX192And that's not logical19:49
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer51: not handier to fix the actual bug?19:49
AndrewX192The paritions are clean19:49
Lava_Croftor just plain too much work?19:50
Estel_hey I'm not stubborn19:50
Estel_I used it once by accident, then You fixed it19:50
NIN102AndrewX192: so you didn't change anything to implement swap encryption?19:50
AndrewX192NIN102: no, I was just linking that article19:50
Estel_so on new channel I used it once on purpose, to check if there isnt a bug making it to work again19:50
NIN102ah ok.19:51
AndrewX192NIN102: All I've done is switch optfs to ext4, and modify rcS-late and gen....* in /usr/lib/ to change ext3 to ext419:51
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: I AM AWARE OF the OnJoin problem, way better than you. NO NEED TO TEST. You ever touching OJ again will earn you a ban on *19:52
DocScrutinizer51(last applies for others as well)19:52
Estel_totally agree. If I ever touch onjoin again, I'll opt for ban for myself!19:52
Lava_Croftthat sounds like the Microsoft way to deal with bugs19:52
Lava_Croftway to go19:52
Estel_now, can You unban me on maemo-ssu? ;)19:52
Lava_Crofti think i know why i never really was here19:52
Lava_Crofttheres a source of negative energy here19:53
AndrewX192NIN102: and so now sometimes it does a complete boot without issues, and sometimes it just reboots a bunch of times until it succeds19:53
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  by the way, Yo7've fixed it on #maemo. Why isn't simple fix possible on #maemo-ssu?19:53
Estel_i.e. disabling it for users like on #maemo ?19:53
DocScrutinizer51because idiots like you will mess with it on #debian instead19:54
DocScrutinizer51or any of19:54
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Estel_erm, aren't You little overreactive anyway? btw, You havent answered my side-question about disabling onjoin for users, like on #maemo19:55
Estel_well, so I contributed to disabling possible dangerous feature? cool.19:56
Estel_Can You already unban me on maemo-ssu? got buisness there ;) registering new nick *shoul* take longer than unbanning, yep?19:56
ruskieEstel_, what gives you the idea that a new nick will solve anything?19:57
Estel_(anyway, the could mention me on Debian credits. If no by a small font and in reverse. Would look like 'infobot onjoin disabled thanks to let see)19:57
Estel_experience with dynamic IP range @ dynamic IP first two sections. I imagine DocScrutinizer isnt so anrgy to ban whole world.19:58
Estel_Of course, it doesnt matter19:58
Estel_as I'm on the light side. No wish to exploit bugs here.19:58
Estel_jokes aside, I really tested it only because I thought that he might left it open for new bot channel, and it may be problematic if someone less resp.onsible discovers it.19:59
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Estel_so, DocScrutinizer, really excuse me for ay inconveicence it caused.20:00
Estel_Would be thankful, if You could unban me on cssu channel, and I won't touch - sexually or not - Your infobot, promised.20:00
Estel_now I'm off, see ya.20:00
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ruskiedoesn't need to be the whole world... just the whole ISP ;)20:01
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AndrewX192Checking for bootloop with my base build (pre ext4)20:15
AndrewX192Device Malfunction! rebooting in 10 seconsd20:16
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keriovaguely swollen battery - wat do?20:19
kerioduck for cover and run away?20:19
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AndrewX192Buy a new one?20:20
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AndrewX192I have a seemingly legit backup battery from Amazon20:20
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* SpeedEvil thinks of the Missy Elliot song.20:22
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norayrIs there a way to hide carrier name on the desktop?20:58
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SpeedEvilIt's the only way.20:59
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Sicelou could try Custom Operator Name widget.. make a blank name21:02
norayrthanks :P21:04
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jonnedoes SMSCON remote server thing work for anyone?21:41
jonneit works when i do a test, but it won't check periodically21:42
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DocScrutinizerWhere's that estel_ guy???22:02
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DocScrutinizer[2012-01-16 20:57:30] *** Das Thema wurde am 2011-07-25 04:09 von DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg gesetzt.22:02
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-16 20:57:32] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel22:02
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-16 20:57:34] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel22:02
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-16 20:57:47] *** Kanalmodi: +Cn22:02
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DocScrutinizerI'm just kickban-happy now, but neither estel_ nor any of his supporters is around anymore. Typical22:20
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* DocScrutinizer finds out about estel_'s address, and calls the fire brigades in his name. Then points out "it's a big bug in how your fire protection is working!", and calls the brigades just another 5 times, to let estel_ know for good22:22
DocScrutinizerestel_, get rif of your phone!!!! So nobody could pretend anymore he's you when calling fire brigade22:23
* DocScrutinizer calls fire brigades a 6th time, in estel_'s name22:23
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DocScrutinizerestel_, sucker, won't you say "thank you DocScrutinizer for testing this bug for me!", HUH??22:24
DocScrutinizerDAMN, it's A KNOWN ISSUE, and the one who understands *least* about it, is YOU!!22:25
* DocScrutinizer goes beating up estel_ with a baseball bat, telling him with friendly voice "look dude, that'S a serious security flaw in your personal life. You should feel happy it's *ME* and not somebody even worse beating the shit out of you"22:26
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AndrewX192DocScrutinizer: please stop trolling the channel with you vs Estel_ crap :|22:27
* DocScrutinizer turns to lava_croft to give him a taste about proper security testing, involving a baseball bat22:27
DocScrutinizerit's NOT "me vs estel" - it's estel vs infobot&IRC22:29
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AndrewX192He's not even here, so why are you talking about it22:29
DocScrutinizerto let you all know why I will kicj the shit outa him next time he drops by22:30
AndrewX192Meh, he's helped me, I say leave it alone and forget about the problem22:30
AndrewX192Whatever he did with infobot doesn't effect me22:30
DocScrutinizerwhat a flavour of motron are YOU Sir?22:31
DocScrutinizerleave the problem alone?22:31
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DocScrutinizerforget about infobot spamming dozens of channels with bullshit estel_ told him to do?22:31
AndrewX192It doesn't effect me22:31
DocScrutinizer*I* can change THAT22:32
DocScrutinizerso you better stfu22:32
DocScrutinizerinstead of commenting on issues you have no idea about22:32
AndrewX192All I said is let's just stop talking about it22:33
AndrewX192I don't see why you are doing a single sided conversation (rant) in #maemo about your feelings about someone.22:33
DocScrutinizerI'm doing this *because* I'm admin of the bot as well as admin of several channels that get spammed thanks to estel_ idiocy22:34
AndrewX192Right, sounds like this is between you and Estel_22:34
AndrewX192Not you, estel_, and #maemo22:34
DocScrutinizer~chanset #maemo -OnJoin22:35
infobotUnsetting OnJoin for #maemo; was '0'.22:35
DocScrutinizerhere you are22:35
DocScrutinizernow it affects *you* as well22:35
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DocScrutinizeror would you prefer I'd create an onjoin message just for you?22:37
DocScrutinizeranyway, this is between estel_ and22:37
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DocScrutinizerall of those chan possibly affected by estel_ instructing infobot to spam22:38
DocScrutinizernow you could say "take it to d22:38
DocScrutinizer#debian please"22:38
DocScrutinizerbut alas estel_ started that shit here in this chan, so I put an end to it here. One way or the other22:39
befr0dwhat did he put?22:40
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DocScrutinizerI'm reluctant to tell any details22:40
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befr0dheh ok22:41
DocScrutinizerhe found an "exploit" in infobot (actually a known exploit that so far never caused problems as users were responsible with using it)22:41
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DocScrutinizerhe's using the exploit in the worst possible way, to show infobot andmins how poor infobot security is - since TWO WEEKS NOW, EVERY DAY22:42
DocScrutinizerI asked him to stop it please, we (infobot maintainers) are aware22:42
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-16 20:57:30] *** Das Thema wurde am 2011-07-25 04:09 von DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg gesetzt.22:43
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-16 20:57:32] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel22:43
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-16 20:57:34] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel22:43
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-16 20:57:47] *** Kanalmodi: +Cn22:43
DocScrutinizerand this spam is on dozens of channels, just not here because I blocked it here, hoping he wouldn't use the "exploit" then22:44
befr0dwell that sucks yea22:44
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DocScrutinizersince AndrewX192 stated it doesn't affect *him* so I shall "forget about the problem", you got that spam back now here in this chan as well, courtesy /me enabling OnJoin for #maemo again22:48
DocScrutinizerso estel is free now to spam all 121 chan, not 121 - #mameo - #maemo-ssu22:49
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befr0dcan't you fix infobot ?22:50
DocScrutinizeralas not, I'm only admin, not owner22:50
infobotTimRiker is my owner22:51
befr0dyea, I would patch the thing, and then kick estel_'s ass22:51
DocScrutinizerI can do almost everything to infobot, except cold reboots when bot isn't online, and tweaks to sourcecode22:52
DocScrutinizerit's Tim's server and I got no root account there22:53
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DocScrutinizerso it will take another few days until my suggested patches get implemented by Tim, and I thought it's not asking for too much when estel_ stops his mess until then22:53
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DocScrutinizeronviously I've been mistaken on that22:54
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DocScrutinizerbtw somebody suggested an ignore function - infobot already HAS ~ignore for particular users/nicks, but we don't have it enabled due to CPU load penalty for the additional test on every post on every of the (now) 121 chan22:56
DocScrutinizerwe didn't need it until estel_ came22:56
DocScrutinizerI can switch off OnJoin globally, thus breaking all legitimate uses other users need it for, thanks estel_ - I'm still a bit reluctant to do this22:57
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DocScrutinizer~chanset _default OnJoin22:59
infobotOnJoin for _default is '1'22:59
DocScrutinizercosts me 3 seconds to "fix" the issue - but then it's thanks estel_ ~4000 users are losing a feature of infobot they maybe never noticed but is helping to make their IRC life easier23:00
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AndrewX192What's the difference about the roosh in extras-devel?23:03
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DocScrutinizerusual syntax: "difference between A *and B*"23:06
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DocScrutinizerthough "what are the differences about that topic" might mean some people have an argument about it23:07
DocScrutinizerI don't know about any differences regarding rootsh23:08
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infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee23:11
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AndrewX192DocScrutinizer: I'm being asked to upgrade to rootsh from extras-devel23:36
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DocScrutinizerasked by whom?23:37
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AndrewX192Estel_: So, I'm back on ext4 again. Basically trying to reboot a whole stackload of times to see if it will die on me again23:44
AndrewX192So far it has booted every time without issue23:44
AndrewX192And it's running very fast23:44
AndrewX192So far 10 boots without trouble23:45
AndrewX192Hm, this time it's taking quite a bit of extra time23:46
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