IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-01-03

badcloud_is there some way to enlarge the icons in claws-mail on the right side of incomming messages (headers, text, html, attachment, etc.)?00:00
badcloud_they're so very very small00:00
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swedgincan anyone help me with installing software to Nokia N9? not exactly Maemo but this channel was closest I could find =P00:10
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SpeedEvil#n9, I think also00:11
merlin1991swedgin: there is #n9 and #harmattan00:12
swedginokay i try those... thanks00:12
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DocScrutinizerjonne: related to powerkernel, should be fixed in newest release afaik00:21
DocScrutinizerask freemangordon00:21
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DocScrutinizer*COUGH*00:25
DocScrutinizerHAH00:25
DocScrutinizerWB everybody00:26
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merlin1991anybody in here with a bit of graphical design skills willing to crate a cssu icon?00:41
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merlin1991with icon I mean something like http://talk.maemo.org/maemo/resources/meegocomp.jpg that promotes cssu00:42
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plurthis genfstab.awk is cracked out01:06
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SpeedEvilIt is.01:06
plurmy first attempt didnt result in any mounts (or a properly generated one)01:06
plurmy secont attempt has left 5-white-dots stuck forever01:06
plurjust trying to put a 32gb ext3 /home in there, after wiping the vfat01:06
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plurhm, wonder if flasher -b single, or something like that01:08
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plurcan get me to a single user mode to try fixing it again w/o reflashing01:08
SpeedEvilIn principle you can load into RAM a kernel to boot off the SD01:08
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plurmay get a cross-compiler going ot try vanilla 3.1 linux01:10
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merlin1991plur: write the nemo release to an sdcard01:15
merlin1991and load the kernel with flasher-3.5 -l -b -k KERNELIMAGE01:16
merlin1991then go to the terminal in nemo mount rootfs and start fixing :)01:16
merlin1991that way I read mtd to recover my sisters lockcode without touching maemo :)01:17
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: you recovered lockcode? on PR1.3??01:33
merlin1991yes01:33
DocScrutinizerI agther it's been set sinde PR1.201:33
merlin1991it was encrytped01:33
merlin1991and set in 1.301:33
DocScrutinizeras for all I know on PR1.3 you can't find it anymore in CAL01:33
merlin1991it's there in mtd1 I think01:34
merlin1991don't remember what kind of hash it was01:34
DocScrutinizernope, it's not01:34
merlin1991grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -101:35
merlin1991that's what I used01:35
merlin1991I even tried on my pr 1.3 device by setting a code and cracking it afterwards01:35
DocScrutinizerat least that cat mtd1|grep lockcode  or whatever doesn't work anymore for all I know and seem to recall from own tests01:35
merlin1991worked just fine on mine and on the one of my sister01:36
DocScrutinizerit seems on devices that flashed PR1.3 image it doesn'T work anymore. Though I really wonder when and how they would change it01:38
DocScrutinizerstill works on my up-to-date CSSU daily phone01:38
merlin1991well my device has 1.3 flashed and I did set a lockcode then and it worked01:38
DocScrutinizerseems I have to delete or update/correct a tmo post of mine01:40
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DocScrutinizerbtw, do we still have a council? anybody heard of them?01:41
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merlin1991afaik there still is a council01:43
DocScrutinizerwas there a vote?01:43
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council01:43
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DocScrutinizerseems rather quite01:49
DocScrutinizerquiet*01:49
LaoLang_coolmorning!01:50
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/03/raspberry_pi_auction/13:20
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RST38hCrazy people13:21
RST38hAnd the funny thing is, it is not even Cortex-based. Runs on a cheapo ARM1113:22
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SpeedEvilarm cortex has no mmu13:26
SpeedEvilor at least not one capable of linux13:26
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dm8tbrwhich cortex? M3?13:29
RST38hSpeed: OMAP3 andOMAP4 are both cortex based and have MMUs that satisfy Linux well enough13:30
* SpeedEvil thought otherwise.13:31
SpeedEvilMeh.13:31
RST38hMay have thought of some different cortex, like M3 for example13:32
SpeedEvilpossibly13:32
SpeedEvilArm are very silly with versioning.13:32
RST38hWell, there is ISA generation and then there is part generation13:33
RST38hCortexes are ARMv7 ISA13:33
SpeedEvilI mean the v7 / ARM9 marketing13:33
SpeedEvilforex13:33
RST38hARM11 is ARMv6 ISA13:34
RST38hARM9 is ARMv5 ISA13:34
SpeedEvilyeah13:34
SpeedEvilexactly13:34
RST38hARM7 is ARMv4 ISA13:34
RST38hIf you see ARM<digits> this is a pre-Cortex part number and the first digits mean its generation (ARM7xx, ARM9xx, ARM11xx), the remaining digits map to onboard features13:35
RST38hAnd the letters that come afterwards map to ISA features (such as J for Jazelle, T for Thumb, etc)13:35
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platedoes bootmenu have a -v flag or so? white-screen "booting off mmcblk0p1..." hang is uninformative14:33
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platei had this prob once before, and forget how i fixed it14:35
platemight have been as trivial as toggling rd-mode status14:35
plateor is U-boot the way to go now. it looks more maintained14:35
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platehad to modprobe ext3 before maemo would mount my debian, so i half-wonder if its a catch22 with not having ext3 module due to unmount but i thought it would just mount journal-les was ext2 but without ay sort of verbose boot i have no clue whats going on14:39
plateapt-get install bootmenu-n900 fails before even the fetch stage, and who knows if bootmenu package even has thr gith stuff. tried grabbing the former and dpkg -i'ing it, and it appears to be some empty shim/stub package anyways14:40
platemaybe i'm making something too difficult but booting into proper Illume/E17 on Debian on N900 seemed ridiculously easy a year ago. didnt have any issues14:40
plateonly thing i changed was mkfs.ext3 using maemo's own tools a giant 32gb partition instead of the 2gb ext2 + 30gb vfat14:41
plateanyone wanna trade for an iPhone ?14:41
plateive been messing around with linux since slackwar installs on floppy in 1994, but damn if i am not getting tired of it14:41
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gulyplate: i just migrate from vfat to ext2 (i feel unsafe using ext3 here) plain straight..14:47
platemy main issue is , genfstab.awk hacks unsuccessful so /opt is on / filling up 256mb already and no app or ~/ storage space14:48
plateand, my debian isnt booting14:48
platei probaly should have mkfs.ext2'd rather than ext3 also14:48
gulyi didnot modified genfstab14:48
gulylet me see14:48
platetheres bind-mount /home/opt stuff in in genfstab but it doesnt end up in the autogenerated /etc/fstab, not sure why14:49
platei think that "if $1 and type 83" is proably gettin thrown, i should check cfdisk and maybe ext2 is diff than ext3, 82 vs 83 or something (or maybe thats swap vs linux-primary)14:49
plateseriously a VGA console so i could tell wtf is wrong would heop a lot :)14:50
gulyhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7347814:50
platei vaguely recall getting a full scrolly-verbose-boot somehow once14:50
plateword14:50
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gulyabout verbose boot IIRC there is some issue with framebuffer14:53
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platesed -i 's/\(| 1e\)/\1 |43|83/' /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh <- llz14:54
plate"just sed a shellscript" seems to be the running theme, same w/ genfstab.awk14:54
platewhatever happened to vi /etc/fstab14:54
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* plate smacks maemo devs, probably long since rehired @ Intel to work on TizenMeegoMoblin V 3714:55
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plateg++ and even large C files (auto parser-generators, scripting-lang-bindings) fill up 256mb of ram and end up thrashhing nicely14:57
* plate investigates Archos 4" tablets with Ubuntu out of the box and 1gb of ram14:57
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plateexpr.c in groonga compiled for 24 hours and never finished, so i finally broke down and setup a cross-compiler just so i can search my emails. Yay yak-shaving15:02
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edheldilwhat's the correct AGPS server now? supl.google.com?15:10
Siceloyes15:11
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edheldilSicelo:  thanks15:31
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plateah, rewrote most of /etc/event.d/rcS-late to solve my mounting probs. gotta love  a hackable semistandard OS16:39
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burtu-boot mmc init = "no mmc found", eMMC (builtin 32gb) is mmcblk0p1 when kernel's loaded, hmm19:27
burti see a bug about NOLO not having kernel options, or something19:28
burtif i could send root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 i'd be in business19:28
burt/sbin/preinit seems like another hack, to chroot into it and bypass normal hildon-crap from starting up19:28
burtwould like to use vanila linux tho eventually19:28
burthttp://pkg-n900.alioth.debian.org/kernel/3.1-custom/19:28
burtbut im using a u-boot with pancake patches with a sept 2010 version number19:29
burtPali: which git repo should i try for a newer u-boot, with your patches?19:29
burti see about 3-4 diff ml posts and repos and wondering what is what19:30
Paliburt: repo http://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot branch pali19:30
burtaye19:30
Palisome info is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot.txt19:30
NIN101<burt> would like to use vanila linux tho eventually <-- hmm, have fun and good luck :-).19:31
burti have a real simpl setup19:31
burtdebian on 32g internal flash /19:31
burtive previously used it with 2.6.28-maemo w/o probs19:31
burtbootmenu decided to break and still fiddling with u-boot19:31
NIN101doesn't matter, vanila linux kernel won't boot on the N900 I think, at least there is no config for rx51 anymore.19:32
burtlooks like basically eveything but GPS is in vanilla now19:32
burtand gps is some userspace serial thing19:32
burteg, that 3.1 on alioth probably supports most eveyrthing, in theory. i have yet ot try it tho19:32
Palisee this: http://elinux.org/N90019:32
Palistate of upstreaming n900 drivers19:33
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NIN101looks promising19:34
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burtPali: is * eMMC (working only when commit 02f3029f1810b99869254d0cf0a71946a008a728 is reverted) accurate?20:10
burtim wondering to try commit before that, or HEAD20:11
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Paliburt: HEAD should be working20:12
burtok20:12
Palisimilar commit is in master now20:12
Paliburt, eMMC is fixed in commit afd5932b2c27c750ba7dbe39125916a45d2e1c1320:14
burtgood to hear20:14
burtcloning taking a while, i'll try it out20:15
burtpali pushed 628 commits to u-boot-shr/u-boot:master  <- hardcore20:18
Paliburt, that repo is also mirror of u-boot master repository (master branch)20:19
Paliso when I rebasing patches on u-boot master, I need to push also u-boot master20:20
burtmust be busy w/ all ARM devices coming lately20:20
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WizzupHm, I just installed u-boot and my n900 won't properly boot anymore21:03
WizzupEven staying in u-boot, it will quickly shut down21:03
burtcool21:03
burtwatchdog i think21:03
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bruyou can disable hw-watchdog with flasher21:03
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Wizzupright, so watchdag after all21:03
WizzupOK21:03
brui used instructions at https://elektranox.org/n900/kernel/uboot.html to 'mux' together a legcy maemo kernel21:04
Wizzupdog*21:04
bruthat part worked, it falls back21:04
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Palibru, in my u-boot branch is watchdog problem fixed21:08
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brui think i needed https://elektranox.org/n900/files/uboot/patches/0004-Nokia-RX-51-aka-N900-support.patch still?21:11
bruunless its hiding under a diff name21:11
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bruwell that patch is broken21:16
bruboard.c:270:18: error: 'CONFIG_SYS_INIT_SP_ADDR' undeclared (first use in this function)21:16
brucan i just pass root= to a NOLO/whatever kernel somehow21:16
bruim cool w/ using 2.6.28-maemo on debian for now21:16
NIN101yes21:16
NIN101flasher-3.5 -l -k yourkernel -b"[kerneloptions]"21:17
bruheh21:18
bruyeah, but can i put it onto the device21:18
bruoh, maybe that does21:18
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Palibru, all rx51 patches are in that repo on gitorious21:25
Palino external patches are needed21:25
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WizzupWell, after disabling the watchdog, at least u-boot isn't turned off, but it won't even boot to maemo22:00
WizzupIt just says ``Starting kernel'', and then just stops22:01
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Wizzuphm, I think it boots with no arguments22:05
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brumaybe i'm just dumb, but this is way too difficult22:32
brunoloboot is somehow failing/rebooting 10s in, immcboot is throwin what looks like shell script errors22:33
brumaybe i'll dist-upgrade to that CSSU stuff and see if any of the hildon-home memleaks and VOIP bugs are gone22:33
bruafter reflashing for the 1207th time22:34
bruat least this PAli u-boot has a grub-esque shell, so its easier to mess w22:35
brumaybe if i made a tiny vfat partition the boot.scr would work, saw theres fatload and ext2load, not sure if ext3 poses a problem or not, but most of the binaries seemed hardcoded to fatload boot.scr22:36
Palibru, that script error I fixed but maybe did not pushed into repo22:36
bruoh, im using your binary from  Nov 1122:37
bruso its proably quite old22:37
bruwill try compiling once i can boot back into the thing ;)22:37
Palibru, noloboot - did you created combinated u-boot binary22:37
Paliah, ok script error I fixed in december22:37
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merlin1991bru: voip bugs as in not working sip?22:45
brugreen dot goes away after 30 mins, tried every keepalive option22:46
bruerror is "invalid user/pass" or something. but then edit/save config w/o changes and green-dot reappearas22:46
merlin1991oh that's odd22:46
brui use ekiga w/ the same provider, voip.ms w/o probs22:47
merlin1991in relation to cssu I only know the bug where you get no sip at all anymore because for some fsckd reson apt believes it has to remove rtcom-voip-support upon installing cssu22:47
bruso im just trying to boot Debian/E17/Illume/Chromium/Ekiga which i already have tweaked out by chrooting into it from maemo22:47
bruso in over my head w/ FIASCO images atm22:47
merlin1991well depending on what you break you can always flash only parts of the FIASCO image22:49
WizzupIs anyone here using u-boot to boot maemo?22:50
merlin1991Wizzup: I did some time ago22:50
WizzupBut not anymore?22:50
merlin1991currently have a stock kernel on the flash22:50
merlin1991but what is your problem?22:50
WizzupI installed u-boot from extras-devel via HAM, reboot brings up uboot22:50
merlin1991that's expected22:51
WizzupBut it doesn't really do anything beside write ``Starting kernel ...''22:51
Wizzup(I can't boot to maemo)22:51
merlin1991did you try to type "run noloboot" in the uboot terminal?22:51
Wizzupyeah22:51
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WizzupIt finds the kernel image, loads it, but stops after ``Starting kernel ...''22:52
WizzupI had the right power kernel installed when I installed u-boot as well, so I am not sure what's up22:52
WizzupGoogling doesn't show any similar problems22:52
merlin1991well which power kernel did you have and which uboot did you install?22:52
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Wizzup46, and uhm. The only one from HAM. It is u-boot 2010.0622:53
WizzupAt this point I'd be happy just to somehow remove u-boot again, if I can just boot back to my maemo ;)22:54
merlin1991Wizzup: that's easy22:54
merlin1991but just to make this clear, there are 2 packages for u-boot in the repo22:54
merlin1991uboot-pr13 which only works with stock kernel22:54
merlin1991and uboot-power wich works with 4622:55
WizzupMine said it was specifically for 4622:55
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merlin1991Wizzup: do you have flasher somewhere?22:56
Wizzupyep22:56
merlin1991you can simply flash the kp46 onto the n900 to boot back to maemo22:56
WizzupWhere do I find the image?22:56
WizzupSorry for being such a noob22:56
merlin1991hm I wonder how you installed kernel power22:58
merlin1991it's missing in the repos22:58
WizzupI think from extras-testing22:58
merlin1991there only is 42 49 34 37 40 and 4222:59
merlin1991but no 4622:59
merlin1991do you have any idea which kernel you installed?22:59
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merlin1991because we need the exact same one :/22:59
WizzupI22:59
Wizzup'm pretty sure it is 4622:59
Wizzupu-boot also shows that it is loading 4623:00
Wizzupor, trying to load anyway.23:00
WizzupWhy would I need the exact version, btw?23:00
merlin1991because there are symlinks to the current installed kernel for kernel modules23:00
merlin1991and that fucks you up if you use the wrong kernel23:01
WizzupAnd those are required to boot?23:01
merlin1991yes23:01
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merlin1991the problem is that the "run noloboot" kernel is included in the uboot package and it appears the power kernel in the repo is not avaiable anymore23:01
merlin1991how did you install the kernel?23:01
merlin1991apt-get or ham?23:01
WizzupI did that over a year ago, I really don't recall how23:02
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WizzupCouldn't I just try several methods?23:03
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merlin1991well ofc you can just flash kernel after kernel untill it boots :D23:05
Wizzupyeah. I'll try that ;)23:05
WizzupSo how exactly do I flash the kernel?23:06
merlin1991though I gess the best idea would be to write nemo to an mircosd, load the nemo kernel, mount the maemo rootfs and inspect the dpkg status files23:06
merlin1991and then just flash the appropriate kernel23:06
WizzupI tried loading nemo23:06
WizzupI suppose I could try again23:07
WizzupIt didn't pick up the mmc card23:07
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merlin1991I suggest you redo writing the sd with dd23:09
NIN101can nemo actually mount the maemo rootfs?23:11
WizzupMost likely23:11
NIN101last time I checked it was named "meego-ce", and it couldn't23:11
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merlin1991NIN101: meego-ce could too23:11
* merlin1991 needs to go digging for the right commands23:11
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NIN101I know the commands23:12
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NIN101well it could maybe, IIRC only read only23:13
merlin1991I remember that gary did mount rootfs to import contacts for example23:13
NIN101I used the meeo-ce kernel to create some supercool initrd, and had to recompile their kernel cause it couldn't really write to NAND23:13
merlin1991and all we need here is read access :D23:14
NIN101:-)23:14
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NIN101http://216.189.8.164/N900/rescueOS/ still, if one feels comfortable in tty, I think this is a more suiteable solution.23:16
WizzupI am comfortable in tty's, generally23:16
NIN101no need to write anything to sd etc.23:17
merlin1991NIN101: so it basically is a kernel with a bit of stuff atached to access the rootfs?23:18
NIN101kernel, cramfs initrd.23:18
NIN101bash, busy eh messybox, wireless-tools, e2fsprogs etc.23:20
merlin1991Wizzup: I suggest you load the thing and just check where /lib/modules/current on the rootfs points to23:21
merlin1991then you can flash the appropriate kernel and be happy :)23:21
WizzupSo boot rescueOS?23:21
merlin1991yea23:21
NIN101if you have enough battery, because it doesn't charge it automatically.23:22
NIN101and if it drains, it didn't rescue but fscked you, hahaha :-).23:22
WizzupI have an another battery, and a friend who has a n90023:23
WizzupUnless we're not talking n900 battery23:23
NIN101ok then no problem.23:23
merlin1991I suggest you got the route of "botoing the initrd" as in the documention23:23
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brui have so amny $4 chinese devices that auto-charge on USB. its kindof insulting N900 doesnt23:24
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bruWizzup: did you try flasher -f -R -k u-boot+kp49.bin using http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot+kp49.bin23:25
brui got it's PR1.3 bin going fairly easily23:26
Wizzupnot yet, but thanks for the option23:26
WizzupI will after I try re-dd'ing NEMO23:26
* bru googles nemo n90023:26
merlin1991though that would only help if you have kp49 installed on the rootfs23:26
merlin1991Wizzup: jsut get the rescueos23:26
merlin1991load the initrd in ram, and check where /lib/modules/current points to23:27
Wizzupin a few minutes :-)23:27
merlin1991after that you can either flash the kernel or the fitting uboot23:27
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Wizzupmerlin1991: NEMO is booting :)23:57
merlin1991nice one23:57
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