IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-12-30

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JakDaRippai have a Nokia N900. the 'Memory for installable applications' reads '247.5 MB available'. is this considered alot? how do i free up some space?00:22
befordmine says 1.05 gb00:24
befordso I guess its not alot00:24
beforddo you have a lot of applications installed JakDaRippa ?00:24
JakDaRippai haven't installed very much at all...fmms, transmission, angry birds, hermes, irssi, rdesktop, recorder, smplayer and symfonie00:25
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HELPguys help help help got problem flashing my device00:27
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JakDaRippagetting rid of angry birds, rdesktop, smplayer and symfonie. i'll see what's available then00:28
infoboti guess maemo-flashing is
Guest29093i saw already thi00:28
SpeedEvilAngry birds is not reinstallable00:28
Guest29093but i have problem00:28
Guest29093don't know from what00:28
SpeedEvilAs the download site went away00:28
SpeedEvilIIRC symphonie is quite large00:28
befordSpeedEvil,  ovi for maemo is dead?00:28
befordor just angrybirds for maemo00:29
SpeedEvilI think ovi died closing on a year ago00:29
Guest29093when i press the u and connect the usb.. it connect.. in the flahser it start to do the kb count then stop within seconds and .. wtf ?00:29
JakDaRippaok, so i'll leave angry birds00:30
befordwell not that I really used it but damn00:30
Guest29093please help :S00:30
SpeedEvilGuest29093: 'kb count' ?00:31
Guest29093yeah in flasher on the pc ..00:31
Guest29093within seconds it stops00:32
SpeedEvilDoes it say it's completed?00:32
SpeedEvilOr what's the error?00:32
Guest29093the window close fast00:32
befordpaste the whole thing Guest2909300:32
Guest29093flasher-3.5.exe -F EMMC_By.MiDO.FaYad.8.giga.bin -f00:32
befordhow come? are you using Windows?00:32
Guest29093this you mean ?00:32
befordopenm a first00:32
Guest29093yeah windows00:32
befordand type the command there, it should not close00:32
Guest29093percentage about 20% then stops and close the window00:33
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befordflashing EMMC only?00:33
befordI think that doesn't work00:33
Guest29093eemc means the device memory right ?00:33
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befordembedded memory controller, internal memory yes, but not the operative system memory00:34
Guest29093ohh lool then the problem with the file ?00:34
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DocScrutinizerembedded MultiMediaCard00:34
befordI always get it wrong00:34
DocScrutinizerplease re-download your file first00:34
Guest29093should i download the offical one ?!00:35
befordthat doesn't look like an official firmware you could brick your device00:35
DocScrutinizerand please store it under original name00:35
Guest29093this file from maemo website00:35
Guest29093in nitdroid page00:35
Guest29093it says flash custom 8gb apps00:36
DocScrutinizerbeford: flashing eMMC hardly bricks the device - actually N900 is (almost) unbrickable00:36
befordI said could :300:36
DocScrutinizerstay away from nitdroid00:36
Guest29093whyy ?!00:36
DocScrutinizerbecuase it gets you where you are now ;-P00:37
DocScrutinizeryou can't flash random crap to eMMC00:37
beford (you MUST flash rootfs as well, when flashing eMMC (because of /opt deletion)00:38
DocScrutinizeryou need to flash latest official Nokia EMMC image00:38
DocScrutinizerthe you *need* to flash COMBINED, after flashing EMMC00:38
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is
Guest29093i got a headache guys00:39
Guest29093didn't get anything00:39
Guest29093stupid me :S00:39
DocScrutinizerread that link! read ALL OF IT00:39
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DocScrutinizerflash original NOKIA stuff00:39
befordI suppose the phone is not starting now, does it?00:39
DocScrutinizeras adviced on that page I gave the link above00:39
Guest29093is there a link ? my Product ID not valid00:39
Guest29093no it doesn't start anymore00:40
befordproduct id to get the firmware? its the wlan mac if I remember correctly, get it from your phone00:40
Guest29093i know here it is not working lool00:41
befordI have not flashed in a while00:41
DocScrutinizerGuest29093: sorry, please be more elaborate and specific on your questions/problem-descriptions/etc00:41
befordmake sure you are not trying to download n8x0 firmware with you n900 imei ..00:41
DocScrutinizerit's all on
DocScrutinizerincl right URL to get flasher tool and firmware images00:42
Guest29093oh oh stupid me i wrote the code with slashes "/" lol00:42
Guest29093which firmware image should i download ?00:42
DocScrutinizersee right col00:43
DocScrutinizerand the COMBINED, also latest00:43
DocScrutinizerpreferably international version, unless you definitely need a localized version00:44
Guest29093so 2 files ?00:45
JakDaRippagot rid of rdesktop, smplayer and symfonie. now i have 258.2 MB available. not much difference.00:46
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DocScrutinizerusually you don't want nor need to reflash VANILLA, but since you already did, you now have to finish that job00:46
befordsomething else is filling00:46
befordtry df -h from xterminal00:46
JakDaRippaDocScrutinizer: is there another way to make more memory available for installable applications?00:46
SpeedEvilWhy do you think you need more?00:47
Guest29093thats what i was trying to do00:47
DocScrutinizerfirst find out about true free space00:47
Guest29093cuz of nitdroid00:47
DocScrutinizerGuest29093: yes, and that'S absolutely correct00:47
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JakDaRippathe device has 2.70GB available00:48
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DocScrutinizerJakDaRippa: nope00:48
JakDaRippajust thought i was running low. device seems a little slow these days00:48
DocScrutinizerthere's no such thing as "the device"00:48
DocScrutinizerthere's /, /home, MyDocs00:49
JakDaRippamy nokia n900 is running slower these days (or so it seems)00:49
JakDaRippaah, oki00:49
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Guest29093after i download the 2 files and put'em in the file.. what command should i use ?00:50
DocScrutinizerJakDaRippa: df -h /home00:50
DocScrutinizerJakDaRippa: df -h /00:51
Guest29093with -R or without ?00:51
DocScrutinizerpaste the 2 result lines here (not the headers please)00:51
DocScrutinizerGuest29093: please see
Guest29093saw this i've got a monkey brain i don't understand00:52
DocScrutinizer7th bullit there00:52
Guest29093need someone to tell me everything lol00:52
JakDaRippawhich line am i looking for to paste? there's alot of info here00:53
Guest29093how can i use the modded 8gb emmc image ?00:53
DocScrutinizerJakDaRippa: df -h /00:53
DocScrutinizergives you like 3 lines output00:53
DocScrutinizer    /dev/mmcblk0p2        2,0G  743M  1,2G  39% /home00:53
JakDaRippajsut did that. gave me about 15 lines of info00:53
DocScrutinizeractually 2 per cmd00:54
DocScrutinizeryou paste the 2nd for each of / and /home00:54
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JakDaRippa./devmmcblk0p1     27.2G     24.5G     2.7G     90%     /home/user/MyDocs00:56
DocScrutinizer51hmm, means your MyDocsw is full with (probably) media00:57
DocScrutinizer51not relevant here though00:57
DocScrutinizer51please do df -h /00:57
DocScrutinizer51with a /00:57
DocScrutinizer51then do df -h /home00:58
DocScrutinizer51none of both gives you more than 2 lines output00:58
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JakDaRipparootfs     227.8M     133.2M     90.3M     60%     /00:59
DocScrutinizer51that's pretty good00:59
Guest29093ohhhh i understand now :D00:59
JakDaRippadev/mmcblk0p2     2.0G     1.7G     169.9M     91%     /home01:00
DocScrutinizer51crowded but not yet crirical01:01
Guest29093i will download vanilla and emmc then use the command without -R cuz i will flash the emmc that i download, right guys ?01:01
Guest29093horray my brain start working01:02
DocScrutinizer51you never use -R when using the method at end of page01:02
DocScrutinizer51it also states this01:02
JakDaRippai have p90x and p90x2 on here, so that's all the media data you see01:02
DocScrutinizer51btw vanilla and emmc are other names for same thing01:02
Guest29093how the flasher gonna recognize the emmc file ?01:03
DocScrutinizer51by the command you give it the name of the vanilla aka emmc .bin file01:04
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Guest29093the command gives it only the COMBINED file01:05
Guest29093flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f01:05
DocScrutinizer51no, you first give command with VANILLA, then do same procedure again with COMBINED01:05
Guest29093i have to do it twice ?01:05
DocScrutinizer51please refer to URL I gave you01:06
DocScrutinizer51for eMMC and rootfs01:06
Guest29093man i read everything in the link 100 times01:06
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JakDaRippathank you guys01:06
Guest29093english is not my native lang01:06
JakDaRippahave a safe and happy holiday01:06
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Guest29093just last qustion01:11
Guest29093The flash will take a minute or so. Switch off device by shortly removing battery01:11
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Guest29093how can i switch it off ? it won't work using the power button01:12
Guest29093loool by shortly removing battery okk xD01:13
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merlin1991~seen MohammadAG12:24
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'The pieces were transparent?'.12:24
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infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'.12:26
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Blat-hey all12:52
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badcloud_has anyone here successfully implimented bash history? not in sh, in bash14:36
SpeedEvilumm - what?14:36
SpeedEvilBash history is in bash.14:36
psycho_oreoswhat's that supposed to mean? when you install bash and you chsh to bash you should get .bash_history file under ~ directory14:36
badcloud_I've tried 'shopt -s histappend' and exiting term with ctrl-d14:36
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SpeedEvilWhat are you trying to do?14:37
badcloud_psycho_oreos: it's not working for some reason14:37
badcloud_SpeedEvil: trying to have bash hist14:37
psycho_oreosbadcloud_, which bash version are you using?14:38
DocScrutinizerbash3 atm14:38
DocScrutinizeralways worked14:39
DocScrutinizerwhat stopped working for bash3 is the help command :-/14:40
SpeedEvilIt's been renamed.14:40
SpeedEvilIt now displays a lolcat in ascii.14:40
DocScrutinizerI indeed pondered to replace it by a script with echo "<all the help foo>"14:41
DocScrutinizerbut that's for sure monkey business to code14:42
DocScrutinizerwhile I'd prefer to bash the bash3 maintainer for build option -DNOHELP14:43
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badcloud_what shoud the ownership of .bash_hiastory be?14:44
DocScrutinizerok, there *might* be a legitimate reason you would want to build it without help: reducing RAM footprint14:45
DocScrutinizerbadcloud_: obviously owner owner 6xx14:45
badcloud_DocScrutinizer: thanks14:45
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DocScrutinizerhere probably user users 64014:46
DocScrutinizeror 60014:46
DocScrutinizerunless you're talking about root's bash14:47
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls -l .bas*14:47
DocScrutinizer-rw------- 1 root root 16943 2011-12-20 08:52 .bash_history14:47
DocScrutinizerfor root14:48
DocScrutinizer~ $ ls -l .bas*14:48
DocScrutinizer-rw-------    1 user     users        3113 Nov 14 20:05 .bash_history14:48
badcloud_thanks again14:49
* DocScrutinizer realizes his user's locale is fsckdup14:49
badcloud_(I meant user's)14:49
DocScrutinizermessy date format14:49
DocScrutinizererr, maybe that's messybox ls though14:50
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DocScrutinizerindeed, messybox. Should get my $PATH right, for user14:52
DocScrutinizer~ $ /usr/bin/gnu/ls -l .bas*14:52
DocScrutinizer-rw------- 1 user users 3135 2011-12-30 13:51 .bash_history14:52
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# echo $PATH14:54
pronto:O you's been haxed14:57
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DocScrutinizerme are hax0r ;-P15:05
DocScrutinizerwtf is the rationale messybox sources .bashrc??15:06
DocScrutinizer# ~/.profile: executed by Bourne-compatible login shells.15:07
DocScrutinizerif [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then15:07
DocScrutinizer  . ~/.bashrc15:07
DocScrutinizermessybox bourne-compatible? BWAHAHA15:07
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DocScrutinizerwell, seems I need to give it some more tweaking15:08
DocScrutinizeranybody got the affirmative answer on "how do I detect a script is running under true bash?"15:09
DocScrutinizerif [ $BASH ] ?15:10
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NIN101if [ $SHELL = "/bin/bash" ] ; then echo "yay!"; fi ?15:11
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SpeedEvilBASH_VERSION nt null15:12
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jogabuiltin && echo "it's bash" ? ;)15:13
XDS200010Hi, is there a application or addon that can alert me when open access points are in range ?15:13
SpeedEvilI forget what it's called15:13
SpeedEvilIt makes beepy noises15:13
XDS200010We have a lot of municiple wifi networks in my area, i would like to take advantage of them15:13
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XDS200010SpeedEvil:  was that directed at me ?15:14
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SpeedEvilIIRC one of these can be put into scan and beep mode15:15
DocScrutinizerI'll go for [ -n $BASH ] I think15:16
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NIN101while [ true ] ; do iwlist scan | grep "key:off" && [command to play sound ] ; sleep 120 ; done  -- hacky though.15:18
XDS200010Both of those apps have undesirable extras. I just want a simple toaster notification that tells me open access points are available.15:18
DocScrutinizer~ # echo $PATH15:19
XDS200010Ah NIN101  thanks15:19
DocScrutinizer~ # bash15:19
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# echo $PATH15:19
DocScrutinizerall I need15:19
* SpeedEvil is reminded of toaster notifications.15:19
Macerefnet died lol15:19
DocScrutinizerNIN101: while sleep 120; do ...15:20
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NIN101indeed, makes more sense.15:20
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Macerso how goes things? :)15:21
XDS200010how do you send push notification to system NIN101  ?15:21
DocScrutinizerNIN101: esp it really aborts on ^C15:22
NIN101do you mean this yellow notificatino bars?15:22
DocScrutinizerXDS200010: see wiki phone control15:22
Macerthe last days of lehman brothers was kind of a letdown of a movie15:23
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Macermaybe the last days of nokia will be better15:23
XDS200010I wonder if a RDS burst tx per channel could be done15:23
DocScrutinizererr, what?15:23
XDS200010DocScrutinizer:  in other words send Notifications to every single tx channel over fm15:24
DocScrutinizersorry, you completely lost me15:25
DocScrutinizerI neither know what TX channels you talk about, nor what Notifications you could send via FM15:26
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DocScrutinizerwhatever you want to do, the FMTX on N900 is so incredibly weak you won't succeed15:27
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XDS200010DocScrutinizer:  RDS tx already works, ive tried it15:27
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DocScrutinizerI know that15:28
XDS200010its stereo too :)15:28
DocScrutinizerooh stereo RDS ;-P15:28
XDS200010Doesn't matter to me, if im right on top of the signal it wont make much difference15:28
kerioif you're on top of the signal you can read the screen15:29
DocScrutinizerif you think of auto-adjusting your car radio to a channel specified by N900 via RDS sent to whole freq band, forget it15:29
XDS200010kerio:  exactly15:29
XDS200010DocScrutinizer:  what kerio said15:30
keriono, i mean, read the screen15:30
keriodon't bother with transmitting notifications through fm15:30
* DocScrutinizer wonders why the heck the coffee seems refuses to kick in - gets only gibberish15:30
XDS200010kerio:  why not , seems to work fine for me15:30
DocScrutinizerwhat kerio said is also gibberish to me15:31
kerioXDS200010: because it's fucking useless15:31
kerioDocScrutinizer: XDS200010 wants to transmit notifications through the fmtx, in some way15:31
XDS200010huh ?15:31
kerioor i didn't get it but somehow was getting all the right answers anyway15:31
XDS200010What the hell are you talking about kerio it already works15:31
DocScrutinizerif you think of auto-adjusting your car radio to a channel specified by N900 via RDS sent to whole freq band, forget it15:32
DocScrutinizerif that's not what you think about, then please enlighten me15:32
XDS200010Doc i think you have been drinking the plutonium :P15:32
XDS200010If you're not american you wont get that joke15:33
* DocScrutinizer shrugs, accepts that sometimes he's living in a parallel reality that has incompatible grammar, and turns away15:33
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keriowhy [ true ] and not just true?15:37
XDS200010true , ill fix it :)15:38
NIN101nah, as doc said, remove the while [ true ] and replace it with while sleep 120 , and remove the "sleep  120" in the loop.15:39
XDS200010whats the difference ?15:40
XDS200010one less pipe ?15:40
NIN101<DocScrutinizer> NIN101: esp it really aborts on ^C <-- aborts with while true too, so well, doesn't matter...15:41
DocScrutinizerNIN101: ^C a sleep 120 in a while true; do... loop doesn'T usually abort the loop15:44
NIN101well I just tested it, dunno.15:44
NIN101it works here.15:44
DocScrutinizerdepends on your set -+e I guess15:44
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DocScrutinizerbwahahaha, a set -e closed my complete shell on ^C15:48
DocScrutinizerI really dunno what exactly is causing the problem and when, but I found several times that I had a hard time to ^C a tight loop, when the ^C only aborted the sleep 2 and the loop entered another iteration15:50
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DocScrutinizerwith while sleep 2; do ...; done it always aboets on ^C for me15:52
DocScrutinizerobvious downside: it starts with a wait15:52
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DocScrutinizerhaven't really wrapped my head around why it doesn't abort, on while true; do...; sleep 2; done loops, since I got the remedy15:54
DocScrutinizerI'm rather sure it has to do with shell settings15:55
DocScrutinizermaybe also with reading from stdin in loop, or sth15:55
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NIN101the whole loop is a job.15:56
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keriois there a do...while in sh?15:57
DocScrutinizerdo until?15:57
XDS200010wouldn't that just be a cron?15:58
DocScrutinizeruntil: until COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done15:58
DocScrutinizerdunno, never use that one15:58
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DocScrutinizerI think it's just a while !15:59
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DocScrutinizeryep, it is a while ! COMMANDS loop16:01
NIN101it may even has to do something with signals, SIGINT vs SIGTERM...16:01
XDS200010while bomb technicial ; scan ; grep *run* ; if true ; catch up16:01
XDS200010if rinse ; do repeat ; done16:02
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MongkeybizI am looking for a Nokia N9 developer who can make me a SMS filter app. Is that possible?16:03
DocScrutinizer/join #harmattan16:04
DocScrutinizera rather good question though, for over there16:04
XDS200010what does harmattan stand for ?16:04
SpeedEvilAll maemo variants are named for winds16:05
DocScrutinizer~dict harmattan16:05
infobotDictionary 'harmattan' (1 of 3): (s[i^]*r[o^]k"k[=o]z). [It. sirocco, scirocco, Ar. shorug, fr. sharq the rising of the sun, the east, fr, sharaca to rise as the sun. Cf. {Saracen}.] 1. An oppressive, relaxing wind from the Libyan deserts, chiefly experienced in Italy, Malta, and Sicily. [1913 Webster] 2. In general, any hot dry wind of cyclonic origin, blowing from arid or heated regions, including the desert wind of Southern California, the ...16:05
SpeedEvilDesert winds16:05
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DocScrutinizerso obviously sth not very comforting16:06
XDS200010why didn't they just namer it desertwind? , harmattan is hard to remember16:06
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DocScrutinizerwasn't fremantle also some wind?16:07
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DocScrutinizer~dict fremantle16:07
infobotcould not find definition for fremantle16:07
DocScrutinizerthought as much16:07
DocScrutinizersounds like s stinky village in USA16:07
* DocScrutinizer googles16:08
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DocScrutinizerwestern Australia, meh16:09
DocScrutinizer25.000 residents16:09
DocScrutinizerbasically a suburb of Perth16:10
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DocScrutinizersounds like Fremantle is a place where ~7000 old grumpy heathen unmarried managers live and scare all women out of the village  XP16:18
keriothat's called the internet16:20
Raimu*drum fill*16:28
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javispedroRST38h: same as yesterday =)17:14
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RST38hjavispedro: ?17:16
javispedrobeatiful combination of internet cats and optimistic predictions about the human future?17:18
RST38hjavispedro: ...and it is titled "December" to wrap it off.17:18
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PPPPHello :) guys when i start flashing my device (eMMC) it always stops on 20% .. the progress last for seconds..19:09
PPPPany one can help ?!19:09
PPPPno errors appear19:10
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PPPP_no help :/ ?19:13
NIN101be patient19:13
NIN101we are not here 24/719:14
PPPP_yeah i know but maybe someone here can help19:14
NIN101just wait.19:14
PPPP_i can't use my phone anymore you know19:14
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pbpbpHello :) any one can help ?19:54
dm8tbrdon't ask to ask19:56
pbpbpohh you are here19:57
pbpbpyou can help me19:57
pbpbplisten carefully ok19:57
dm8tbrno, but if you ask your question someone could...19:58
NIN101rules for IRC: just ask and stick around. nothing more.19:58
SpeedEvilAlso, don't be a dick.19:58
pbpbpi start flashing the eMMC image using the flasher.. the progress always ends on 20% (just take few seconds) then the window close19:59
pbpbpno any errors19:59
pbpbpwhats the problem there ?20:00
SpeedEvilopen uip the command line, and then run it again20:00
SpeedEvilSee what the errors are20:00
pbpbptold you no errors.. just like that20:01
dm8tbrare you on windows?20:01
pbpbpyeah windows 720:01
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pbpbpSpeedEvil dm8tbr20:05
pbpbpso what should i do :/ ?20:06
pbpbpi can't run my phone anymore?20:06
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SpeedEvilIf you set it up so that the window doesn't close - are there errors?20:08
pbpbpi didn't try that20:09
DocScrutinizerobviously the windows flasher is some POS that opens a new dosbox even when invoked from cmdline, and it closes that new dosbox on termination of the cmd20:09
pbpbphow can i set it to not to close ?20:10
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DocScrutinizerpbpbp: try flashing rootfs/COMBINED first, then eMMC/VANILLA. If VANILLA flashing works then, you have to flash rootfs/COMBINED *again*20:11
DocScrutinizerand also you should use linux, as windows flashing is cumbersome - obviously20:11
pbpbpit is the same for the rootfs.. 20% then close20:11
pbpbpi have ubuntu20:12
DocScrutinizerfine :-)20:12
pbpbpwill it make a difference ?20:12
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DocScrutinizerto windows? definitely20:12
pbpbpwindows to linux ?20:12
pbpbpi hope it works ..20:12
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DocScrutinizerat least you'll get good non-volatile diagnostic output on linux. No closing windows or similar nonsense20:13
pbpbpokk guys thank you very much i will try using linux :)20:14
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DocScrutinizeralso see:20:14
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,
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Macervirgin - n.
Macerlmao.. omg21:31
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M4rtinKMac OS ? srsly ? :)21:33
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Maceromg that was very well done21:50
Macera dumbed down version of the credit crisis21:51
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trist4ncan anyone tell me where msn passwords are stored23:56
trist4ni can see email details in gcconftool, but seemingly no msn23:56
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NIN101can it be /home/user/.rtcom-accounts? Just a guess.23:57

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