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| Sicelo | yes BCMM_. it does ODS. i don't know about miniGnumeric, but Gnumeric has served my needs well so far. can also read/write xlsx if u need compatibility with M$ | 00:01 |
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| totalizator | fosstux: are you root? | 00:01 |
| BCMM_ | Sicelo: thanks | 00:02 |
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| totalizator | fosstux: then try some livecd distro; I had to use one as the flasher won't work with Arch Linux | 00:07 |
| Sicelo | n900 is switched off fosstux? | 00:09 |
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| fosstux | yes | 00:11 |
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| fosstux | I've burned the gparted live cd - will this work as well? | 00:11 |
| Sicelo | i doubt. | 00:12 |
| Sicelo | what os u on right now? | 00:12 |
| fosstux | Fedora 16, 64bit | 00:12 |
| Sicelo | get a debian based live distro, eg knoppix, ubuntu, etc u don't need anything fancy | 00:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | or use rescuecd | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | based on gentoo | 00:16 |
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| ZogG_laptop | BCMM_: hey | 00:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | long time no see | 00:16 |
| totalizator | fosstux: you can try the gparted livecd, why not? | 00:18 |
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| MrOpposite | Hmm | 01:18 |
| MrOpposite | I think I'm putting my n900 to the limit here... | 01:18 |
| MrOpposite | I'm running rlvm on it | 01:18 |
| MrOpposite | and playing a Visual Novel designed for desktops | 01:18 |
| MrOpposite | Well the sound works smoothly atleast :D | 01:19 |
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| luke-jr | rlvm? | 01:27 |
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| MrOpposite | It's a linux implementation of key's visual novel engine | 01:42 |
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| luke-jr | MrOpposite: pfft, that's nothing | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | MrOpposite: I'm running Gentoo in a chroot, compiling KDE on my N900 | 01:43 |
| MrOpposite | heh, cool | 01:43 |
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| MrOpposite | Will kde run smooth? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | will it ever finish building? :-P | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | MrOpposite: probably better than Maemo | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yes | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: now qt-webkit, not so sure… I linked it on my desktop in qemu <.< | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | that monster requires at least 300 MB RAM to link | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 01:44 |
| MrOpposite | hehe | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | swap hell | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | srsly | 01:45 |
| MrOpposite | I just want som goddamn ingame footage... | 01:45 |
| MrOpposite | but it takes forever to get past the white intro screen... | 01:45 |
| MrOpposite | I think I've been stuck on it for like 50 minutes now | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/hardfp/gcc45/kde-base/ | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | ^ ingame footage of KDE/Gentoo/N900 | 01:46 |
| MrOpposite | It would've been okay if it didn't need user interaction | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | MrOpposite: you should get Steins;Gate to run | 01:46 |
| MrOpposite | I watched the anime | 01:46 |
| MrOpposite | But yea | 01:46 |
| MrOpposite | I should play the VN too | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, swap hell is nothing unique to N900 - I several time brought my 300MHz P-II with 496MB RAM to a grinding halt, by simply opening some 50MB file in a text editor accidentally | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not even doing this idiocy as normal user will help to keep the system responsive | 01:47 |
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| aholler_ | change editor ;) | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | was some crapy Qt-based editor | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | where each char is a rich text object X-P | 01:48 |
| MrOpposite | I GOT PAST THE WHITE INTRO! | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Qobject QtTextEdit("richtext",...) | 01:49 |
| MrOpposite | Sorry for yelling | 01:49 |
| MrOpposite | But I'm so happy right now | 01:49 |
| MrOpposite | ... | 01:50 |
| MrOpposite | Now I'm stuck at the second part of the intro | 01:50 |
| MrOpposite | the BLACK intro-screen! | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | the memory needed by QtTextEdit is ~15 times the char count of the text to edit, and the really funny bit: on closing the amount doubles | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | to ~30 times | 01:51 |
| MrOpposite | That seems like bad coding to me... | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it is | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | the above applies to Qt3 though | 01:52 |
| MrOpposite | Okay | 01:52 |
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| luke-jr | [ 37%] Building CXX object kdeui/CMakeFiles/kdeui.dir/widgets/kvbox.o | 03:58 |
| merlin1991 | gotta love cmake | 03:59 |
| merlin1991 | tells you right in your face that there are still 5 hrs of compiletime to go | 03:59 |
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| jonwil | speaking of things that take time to compile, Gentoo seems to thing I need to rebuild binutils :( | 06:22 |
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| * jonwil wishes he didnt have so many people asking for so many features in icd-wlan-priority | 06:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 06:41 |
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| jonwil | right now though I just wish I could advance operator-name-cbs-widget and get that into cssu-t or whatever so more people can use it and play with it :) | 06:59 |
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| * jonwil wishes he could be inspired to work on N900 stuff... | 07:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | to save time for any of you who might consider looking into thumb for "saving RAM": get chanlog of last hour on #maemo-ssu or simply believe me: thumb does not work on N900 | 08:13 |
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| jonwil | so the OMAP CPU in the N900 is totally broken with regards to thumb? | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm still looking for a reliable way to scan *all* fremantle binaries for thumb usage - if anybody can come up with a cmdline incantation to give a true/false result that would be much appreciated | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: basically... YES | 08:15 |
| jonwil | so is the issue that stock N900 binaries contain thumb code they should not or that CSSU items are being built with thumb on by mistake or both? | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the question, exactly :-D | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | either #2 or #3 | 08:17 |
| jonwil | so there might be stock N900 binaries that contain thumb code? | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | while I try to find out about #1 | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: tell me how to find out | 08:17 |
| jonwil | what happens if we find a stock N900 closed blob with (non-working) thumb code? | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | not only stock but esp also extras | 08:18 |
| jonwil | I have no idea how to tell if a binary has thumb | 08:18 |
| jonwil | Maybe someone in the gcc or binutils communities might know | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | then we all do a magic dance to convert it to ARMel | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I read the cmd to switch to and from thumb mode is some BX, however I never see that opcode mnemonic in objdump -d | 08:19 |
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| jonwil | maybe objdump displays something different | 08:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, BX and BL both seem valid mnemonics for switching between ARM and thumb | 08:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer <--- idiot, should've made a copy of modest.launch when it definitely was thumb, for reference and test purposes | 08:37 | |
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| Macer | is there a way to get the browser to use that zoom out grey space? | 08:55 |
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| Macer | it sucks when zooming out doesn't use the extra space | 08:59 |
| Macer | for | 08:59 |
| Macer | oops | 08:59 |
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| Sicelo | is it considered safe to do a dump of all my gconf keys, and modifying the resultant xml file, then reloading it? | 11:06 |
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| Sicelo | i have entries there from apps uninstalled a long time ago. more specifically, i want to remove entries in /apps/connui-cellular that belong to custom operator name wizard | 11:10 |
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| ruskie | Sicelo, should be | 11:22 |
| ruskie | Sicelo, you should be able to just delete them as well I think | 11:22 |
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| * jonwil just cant seem to get inspired to do any more N900 work | 11:31 | |
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| jonwil | done everything for operator-name-cbs-widget that can be done for now | 11:35 |
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| jonwil | cant get inspired to do vkb stuff either :( | 11:41 |
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| jonwil | wow, check out https://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman-applet | 11:48 |
| jonwil | Looks like Nokia open sourced the PR1.3.1 version | 11:48 |
| psycho_oreos | doubt it | 11:49 |
| jonwil | they did | 11:49 |
| jonwil | the code at that URL is correct for PR1.3.1 | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | oh wait.. you mean just the firmware upgrade right? | 11:50 |
| jonwil | also read https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12388 | 11:50 |
| povbot | Bug 12388: Missing source code of certificate control panel applet | 11:50 |
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| jonwil | that bug explains exactly what Nokia has just done | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | too bad they didn't bother releasing the firmware blobs with 1.3.1 | 11:50 |
| jonwil | that code at that git repo IS LGPLv2 source code for the certificate manager applet as shipped with PR1.3.1 | 11:51 |
| jonwil | what firmware blobs do you refer to? | 11:51 |
| jonwil | oh and https://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman-applet/blobs/master/debian/changelog clearly says its the 0.1.4 version from PR1.3.1 :) | 11:52 |
| psycho_oreos | tablets-dev.nokia.com | 11:53 |
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| jonwil | its good that maemo-security-certman-applet is open source now | 11:55 |
| jonwil | Good for the CSSU for one thing | 11:56 |
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| infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (3d 16h 8m 59s) #harmattan (3d 16h 8m 59s) #meego (3d 16h 8m 59s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 1d 17h 15m 45s, last said: 'icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P'. | 12:27 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: BTW (moving question to here where it is more appropriate). I see at least one package (found by "accident" which is uploaded to the "free" extras component, but does not look OSS (i.e. the source package is just a wrapper for the binary). Has been QA relaxed on this regard intentionally (due to less people working on QA for Maemo5 etc.)? | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: It should not. | 12:51 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: I guess that should be noted on the -dev list and then we need to take action. | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | Not sure if the case you talk about is intentional or just a mistake. | 12:52 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: my first thought is that the uploader didn't know about the difference actually, and wanted to upload to non-free | 12:55 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: "non-free" sometimes sounds "have to pay" for non-OSS developers :) | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Yes, that is likely. | 12:55 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: anyway, I will send a heads up to the mailing list. Do you still have access to the repository servers ? Maybe we can do a quick script to unpack source packages from "free" component and run something like "find -type f -exec file '{}' \; | grep ELF" looking for obvious cases. Unfortunately some maintainers may not be following the mailing list anymore | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that can be done although that is a quite extensive job. | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | We can write the maintainers if needed. | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | Mail them I mean. | 13:02 |
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| fff | hi | 14:17 |
| thresh | hola | 14:17 |
| fff | hi | 14:19 |
| fff | where r u from? | 14:19 |
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| thresh | thanks for CSSU and portrait mode guys. its cool. | 14:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | wrong channel to post your thanks, should probably do that in #maemo-ssu imo :) | 14:25 |
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| thresh | duh :) | 14:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | hello | 14:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | What's the default root password? I need to use sudo | 14:26 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I have no rootsh installed, because the bad networking, I can't install it | 14:27 |
| psycho_oreos | enable R&D mode through flasher then go through via sudo gainroot | 14:28 |
| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: thanks, I will google how to enable R&D mode, I remember the R&D mode has side effect | 14:29 |
| psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, it does but the side effects are somewhat minimal provided that you know what you're doing and you're well aware that you've enabled R&D mode instead of production mode | 14:30 |
| LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: ahh, thanks for info | 14:30 |
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| Sicelo_ | http://pastebin.com/kNsaAF4V | 15:35 |
| Sicelo_ | http://pastebin.com/x7LC1zra | 15:35 |
| psycho_oreos | Spam Detection For Pastebin ID: kNsaAF4V | Spam Detection For Pastebin ID: x7LC1zra | 15:36 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe also in the wrong channel window/tab too? | 15:36 |
| Sicelo_ | bad connectivity now | 15:36 |
| Sicelo_ | indeed.. sorry | 15:36 |
| psycho_oreos | heh all good | 15:36 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 16:03 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 16:03 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 23h 27m 25s) #harmattan (2d 23h 27m 25s) #meego (2d 23h 27m 25s). Has said a total of 97 messages. Is idling for 3h 1m 34s, last said: 'Mail them I mean.'. | 16:03 |
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| X-Fade | Pali: pong | 16:20 |
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| Pali | X-Fade, can you look at kernel-power package in maemo package interface? | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | Pali: Ok, what should I see there? | 16:22 |
| Pali | new versions v47, v48 and v49 | 16:22 |
| Pali | for all packages: kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, kernel-power-flasher, kernel-power-bootimg, kernel-power-source, kernel-power-debug, ... | 16:23 |
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| X-Fade | Pali: Didn't get imported? | 16:23 |
| Pali | maemo package interface cannot see them | 16:23 |
| Pali | all is in extras-devel | 16:23 |
| Pali | and via HAM or apt-get is possible to install | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Pali: Hmm strage. Ok, need to dig into the logs then. | 16:23 |
| Pali | and because package interface does not see them I cannot promote kernel-power to extras-testing | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | I wonder of your new numbering scheme evaluates as being lower. | 16:26 |
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| Pali | prefix "1:" is for new versions | 16:27 |
| Pali | this working fine for other packages | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Your new numbering is 2.6.28-10power49 vs 2.6.28-maemo46 | 16:28 |
| Pali | no, it is "1:2.6.28-10power49" | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but epochs are not considered. | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | At least not there. | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | But I think I can fix this, let me try something. | 16:30 |
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| Pali | ok | 16:31 |
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| jonwil | Pali, did you see the source release for maemo-security-certman-applet? | 16:48 |
| Pali | jonwil: yes | 16:51 |
| jonwil | its good that we got it | 16:52 |
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| jonwil | but I dont see us (i.e. the community) getting any more source | 16:52 |
| jonwil | (which sucks because there are great things that could be done with a few bits of source) | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | feels like headache | 17:01 |
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| Pali | X-Fade, now I see kernel-power v47 on http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ | 17:45 |
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| Pali | but not last v49 | 17:45 |
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| badcloud | repos down? | 18:51 |
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| luke-jr | [ 76%] Building CXX object plasma/CMakeFiles/plasma.dir/plasma_automoc.o | 19:05 |
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| badcloud_ | repos down? | 19:35 |
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| badcloud | repos down? | 19:40 |
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| Corsac | please ask every five minutes | 19:41 |
| badcloud | also, has anyone successfully used a usb joystick with one of the game emus? | 19:41 |
| badcloud | sorry for possible repost | 19:41 |
| badcloud | having connection woes | 19:41 |
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| badcloud | I'm trying to use my snes usb controller | 19:43 |
| badcloud | recognized by kernel | 19:43 |
| badcloud | but I can't find /dev/js0 | 19:43 |
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| badcloud | but screen lights up when I press a button on the controller | 19:44 |
| badcloud | I installed joy2key via easy debian but running it gives me "error opening /dev/js0" | 19:44 |
| badcloud | any ideas? | 19:44 |
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| badcloud | Corsac: I already explained why I may have reposted. no need to be rude | 19:46 |
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| vi___ | 125 MHz sucks balls. | 19:51 |
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| aholler | badcloud: grep JOY nokia_2420_defconfig | 19:59 |
| aholler | would make me wonder if someone had enabled the joystick driver(s) | 20:01 |
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| badcloud | aholler: I found this http://tomasz.sterna.tv/2010/01/ps3-sixaxis-as-joystick-and-mouse-on-nokia-n900/ | 20:08 |
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| badcloud | trouble is, usb host won't work with it | 20:09 |
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| Pavel | Well, it looks like after almost two years of use, my N900 USB port finally gave out... | 20:12 |
| aholler | badcloud: read how to build a powerkernel amd just enable the driver before (throuh menuconfig) | 20:12 |
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| * Pavel is pretty sure it's out of warranty by now. | 20:14 | |
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| SpeedEvil | 2 year warranty in the EU | 20:18 |
| Pavel | I am in US. | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | :( | 20:18 |
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| Pavel | Other than finding another N900 owner, are there any good ways to charge the battery? | 20:22 |
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| Pali | Pavel: buying external charger | 20:26 |
| * valerius made two partitions on a microSD card. But someone constantly rewrites fstab -- how could I automount the partitions? Is that documented somewhere? | 20:26 | |
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| SpeedEvil | grep fstab in /etc | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget what rewtites it | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - search for genfstab.awk | 20:29 |
| valerius | yes, I know, but some program always rewrites fstab -- all changes become lost | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reread! | 20:31 |
| Pavel | Pali: Any recommendations? There are some very cheap ones, but extremely low quality, it looks like. | 20:31 |
| Pali | wait | 20:31 |
| Pali | I have one original from Nokia | 20:31 |
| valerius | ah, it's awk script -- saw it somewhere... | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pavel: Nokia 5800 | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | for example | 20:31 |
| valerius | speedevil thanks for reminding ;) | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pavel: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j/compatibility | 20:32 |
| Pali | Pavel: Nokia DT-33 | 20:33 |
| Pali | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/home-and-office/desk-stands/nokia-battery-charging-stand-dt-33 | 20:33 |
| Pavel | Pali: Thanks. | 20:34 |
| Pali | I'm using Nokia DT-33 charger and no problems | 20:34 |
| Pavel | I wonder if there are any cheap knockoffs that aren't so cheap as to blow up the battery. | 20:35 |
| * Pavel is thinking of this as a temporary measure to get data off the phone and shop for a new one... He is thinking of switching to some Android with one of the alternative firmwares. | 20:36 | |
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| Pavel | I guess $20ish isn't too bad. | 20:37 |
| Pavel | It's a betrayal, I know... | 20:37 |
| Pali | you need also classic charger | 20:38 |
| Pavel | Pali: Eh? | 20:39 |
| Pali | DT-33 is for charing battery, but it is not charger | 20:39 |
| Pali | you need to connect charger into DT-33 | 20:39 |
| Pavel | Pali: You mean the AC -> USB component? | 20:39 |
| Pali | no | 20:39 |
| Pali | DT-33 does not have USB port | 20:39 |
| Pali | only Nokia charger port | 20:40 |
| Pavel | $%#$^ proprietary connectors. | 20:41 |
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| Pavel | http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Battery-Charger-Output-PowerGen/dp/B003RPTEXO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top <- This one might be compatible too. | 20:46 |
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| Pavel | So ordered. | 20:55 |
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| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 6h 1m 52s) #harmattan (3d 6h 1m 52s) #meego (3d 6h 1m 52s). Has said a total of 115 messages. Is idling for 5h 39m 7s, last said: 'Some backup/restore iteration, I guess.'. | 22:38 |
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