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| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot | 00:06 |
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| infobot | well, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: you probably mean uBoot-based dualboot | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is *not* deprecated | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard it just works | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you install multiboot | 00:07 |
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| asdffdsa | DocScrutinizer, yes i meand this ^ | 00:07 |
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| vi___ | hey bros | 00:10 |
| vi___ | I have a serious confusion here | 00:10 |
| vi___ | how TF can only half y keymap get fcd up? | 00:10 |
| vi___ | Is there a program for checking which keystroke is entered? | 00:11 |
| vi___ | anyone? | 00:12 |
| vi___ | somthing like xev | 00:12 |
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| mgedmin | on maemo 5? you can apt-get install xev | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | from the tools repo, iirc | 00:16 |
| vi___ | yeah but it doesnt work | 00:17 |
| mgedmin | (better do that over ssh) | 00:17 |
| vi___ | my keymap still works | 00:17 |
| vi___ | except for 1 key that has changed | 00:17 |
| vi___ | which is completley bananas | 00:17 |
| vi___ | I used have TAB mapped to alt+enter | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell Cor-Ai about usbfix | 00:18 |
| vi___ | now it only works when I press ctrl+alt+enter | 00:18 |
| vi___ | everything else is the same and te keymap is the same | 00:18 |
| vi___ | WTF | 00:18 |
| vi___ | WTF F | 00:18 |
| vi___ | if anyone has any suggestions please dont hold back | 00:20 |
| mgedmin | xkb is not exactly made of ponies and chocolate | 00:20 |
| mgedmin | what's wrong with using ctrl-i instead of tab? | 00:21 |
| mgedmin | wait, I misunderstood, I think | 00:21 |
| mgedmin | you want the tab key to send alt-enter | 00:21 |
| Jooles_ | yeah, I had fun with my desktop where shift-backspace somehow got mapped to ctrl-alt-backspace. That was less than amusing | 00:21 |
| * mgedmin remembers the cries when people complained about ctrl-alt-backspace being disabled by default | 00:22 | |
| vi___ | wut? | 00:22 |
| vi___ | this is on the n900 | 00:22 |
| Jooles_ | it's still xkb and it's wierdness | 00:22 |
| vi___ | For a long time I have had tab mapped to alt(blue button)+return. | 00:23 |
| vi___ | it is fast | 00:23 |
| vi___ | I like it | 00:23 |
| vi___ | annd now NOTHING has changed except I now have to press ctrl+alt+enter to get tab | 00:23 |
| vi___ | WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK | 00:23 |
| vi___ | tab is on level 2 | 00:24 |
| vi___ | I also have esc mapped to alt+backspace | 00:24 |
| vi___ | IT STILL WORKS FINE | 00:24 |
| mgedmin | blue button is not alt, it's fn | 00:26 |
| vi___ | key <BKSP> { type[Group1] = "PC_FN_LEVEL2", symbols[Group1] = [ BackSpace, Escape] }; key <RTRN> { type[Group1] = "PC_FN_LEVEL2", symbols[Group1] = [ KP_Enter, Tab ] }; | 00:26 |
| vi___ | here are two lines that have worked fine for aeons | 00:27 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 00:27 |
| vi___ | the top allows backspace to be esc pressed with blue | 00:27 |
| vi___ | the bottom allows tab when return pressed with blue | 00:27 |
| vi___ | this implies my modifiers are not broken | 00:28 |
| vi___ | how can I check the keycode for a given key? | 00:28 |
| mgedmin | what if instead of type[Group1] = "PC_FN_LEVEL2" you used type = "PC_FN_LEVEL2"? | 00:28 |
| vi___ | I am not keen to alter xkb map until I know what keycode my return key is giving | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | to look at your current *full* xkb configuration, use xkbcomp :0 - |less | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | xev will give you the (numerical) keycode | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | the aforementioned xkbcomp will have a xkb_keycodes section | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | in it you will see the name to keycode mapping | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | <RTRN> is keycode 36 | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if the key is <RTRN> or <KPEN>... | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | also [Group1]... | 00:31 |
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| mgedmin | maybe some modifier is toggled and now you're using Group2? | 00:31 |
| Jooles_ | i believe i've seen people elsewhere bemoan the lack of <KPEN> on the n900... | 00:31 |
| asdffdsa | does anyone know how to get the Video-out running? | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | I don't remember how multiple keyboard layouts/languages are implemented on the n900 | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | asdffdsa, plug in cable, it should Just Work | 00:31 |
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| mgedmin | iirc there's a control panel applet where you can choose PAL/NTSC | 00:32 |
| asdffdsa | cant get a signal | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | this on Composite input? | 00:32 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 00:32 | |
| mgedmin | check if the cable is snugly plugged in? | 00:32 |
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| vi___ | mgedmin: then how would the line with esc mapped to backspace also in group1 still work? | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | good point | 00:34 |
| vi___ | is there a program that will show me a keycode when I press a bitton? | 00:34 |
| vi___ | \^button | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | I did not understand the problem you had with xev | 00:35 |
| mgedmin | if you run xev from an ssh connection into your n900, it should work fine | 00:35 |
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| mgedmin | (if you run it in a terminal directly, there can be problems -- iirc it takes the entire screen and you've no way to close it or something) | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: >KPEN> - age old bug | 00:37 |
| mgedmin | what, exactly, is the bug about? | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | the bug is "N900 CR always creates KP-Enter | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | " | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | I was irritated by the enter key entering <esc>OM and breaking screen over ssh or some such nonsense, but this seems like something unrelated to physical keycode mapping | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | you saw vi___'s keymap -- <RTRN> was mapped to KP_Enter | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | see | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jr-tools | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 00:39 |
| infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | if it were mapped to Return, it'd be different | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | (what genius decided to use Enter for the D-Pad select button and map it to toggle-VKB by default?) | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jr-tools is <reply>see jrtools | 00:39 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jr-tools | 00:39 |
| infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:39 |
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| asdffdsa | i cant fix the SVideo output of the n900 | 00:48 |
| asdffdsa | did i have to reboot after changing from pal to ntsc? | 00:48 |
| vi___ | xev does not capture any keystrokes | 00:51 |
| vi___ | except for blue+return | 00:51 |
| vi___ | and shift+return | 00:51 |
| vi___ | and they both return the same info | 00:51 |
| vi___ | further more now it is shift+blue that makes return do its thing | 00:52 |
| vi___ | WTF is going on here | 00:52 |
| vi___ | this is insane | 00:52 |
| vi___ | how can I check what my current keymap is? | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | what's the fastest SD "class" that N900 supports again? | 00:53 |
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| vi___ | none, SD class is a myth | 00:54 |
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| asdffdsa | ? any idea with the S-Video Signal? | 00:55 |
| Jooles_ | not true, but genuine sd cards are rare. Put a class 6 stamp on a class 2, hike up the price, most people won't know | 00:55 |
| Jooles_ | heh, you should see some of the really fake ones I've seen | 00:55 |
| vi___ | well in that case you cannot go wrong with a class 4 sandisk | 00:56 |
| vi___ | only if you buy a real one | 00:56 |
| vi___ | do not buy a class 10 | 00:56 |
| vi___ | they are utter shit | 00:56 |
| vi___ | and will rape your data | 00:56 |
| Jooles_ | 256mb cards set to loop over themselves so they appear as 4gb to the os and obviously don't work | 00:56 |
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| luke-jr | … | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | paranoid | 00:57 |
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| Jooles_ | i work in a second hand phone/games/dvd store and do a lot of the hardware testing | 00:58 |
| vi___ | luke-jr: buy from a reputable retailer and prepare to pay the full price. | 00:58 |
| vi___ | there are NO cheap SD cards | 00:58 |
| Jooles_ | in fairness most cards are real, just make sure you trust the store if you buy second hand or over the net | 00:59 |
| Jooles_ | yeah, cheap flash memory sucks. I have a usb stick that has to be reformatted after every 10 writes or so else it starts to corrupt everything | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | doubt NewEgg has fakes | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | … if onyl their site would stay up x.x | 01:02 |
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| vi___ | if anyone can give me any indication as to why the f my return key has decided to f itself please, speak up | 01:06 |
| vi___ | i am running out of ideas | 01:06 |
| Jooles_ | Wish I could help you man. I have no idea and have always just stayed away from xkb where possible | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | so no idea what the max speed is? | 01:08 |
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| luke-jr | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161411 | 01:11 |
| luke-jr | look good? | 01:11 |
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| luke-jr | Jooles_? | 01:13 |
| Jooles_ | just checking... hang on | 01:14 |
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| asdffdsa | grrr...any idea with the Video out? | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | asdffdsa: ? | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | asdffdsa: I think it defaults to PAL | 01:15 |
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| asdffdsa | i tryed PAL & NTSC but i cant recive a signal | 01:15 |
| Jooles_ | looking on the maemo forums someone says they've got a class 10 card in an n900 but it runs at about 4MB (class 4) | 01:15 |
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| Jooles_ | luke-jr, that looks like a nice card but I suspect the phone won't run it at that speed | 01:16 |
| luke-jr | Jooles_: well, that's why I asked :p | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | but Class 4 is only like $5 less | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | and Class 6 is *more* :p | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | I already know from experience that MicroSD is faster than the internal SSD though ;) | 01:17 |
| Jooles_ | well in that case just get the class 10 and it'll work fast if you ever put it in a faster device :) | 01:18 |
| Jooles_ | heh, yeah. I just moved my apt cache to the internal sd card and it's incredibly slow | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: you have to follow correct plugging sequence | 01:19 |
| asdffdsa | lol | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 01:19 |
| asdffdsa | which sequence? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | first connect cable to TV, then plug in to N900 | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | also make sure your yellow plug is plugged to a receptacle named either CVBS or Video-in | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't mix this with any of the other possible plugs like component etc | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | then obviously you also need to select correct input on your TV saet | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | set* | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: switching PAL/NTSC will max change color vs b&w plus some geometry error | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way you get the thing started from black screen by meddling with PAL/NTSC selection | 01:22 |
| asdffdsa | i only get a blank screen | 01:22 |
| vi___ | asdffdsa: then you are doing it wrong. | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you eeither didn't follow plugging sequence, or selected wrong input, or used wrong input | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you at least get audio? | 01:23 |
| asdffdsa | oh ^ | 01:24 |
| asdffdsa | ^^ | 01:24 |
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| asdffdsa | hm....S-Video / AV | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell me! you used the white plug for video, right? | 01:24 |
| asdffdsa | that shouldnt happen to me -.- | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzztzztzz | 01:24 |
| asdffdsa | no used the wrong channel on tv -.- | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I decided to ignore that when you first said SVideo | 01:25 |
| Jooles_ | epic fail :) | 01:25 |
| Jooles_ | least you got it figured out now | 01:25 |
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| asdffdsa | damn....realy epic fail -.- | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | epic fail was if you plugged it into sth like HDMI and the video signal triggered the digital remote control channel and made your HDD-recorder erase your 5TB of ancient DrWho records | 01:31 |
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| Jooles_ | i dunno... that might be beyond fail | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | then in a panic you pulled the plug and this crashed the recorder's hw and meanwhile you tripped over the cable to N900, it dropped and you stepped on it and broke your foot | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | THAT was an *epic* fail | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | selecting wrong TV in chan is just a mishap | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry ;-D | 01:34 |
| Jooles_ | Remind me not to help you program your VCR... I can't afford that kind of insurance | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you actually might be interested in GTA04 | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | Jooles_: I moved my swap to MicroSD | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | (to cure this strange turn of your mind:) I started contributing to the hw design ;-D | 01:40 |
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| luke-jr | Jooles_: hmm, some of these reviews are very bad | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: did you add a kb? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm still struggling with that one :-D | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | option is already there | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you know it'S a tad hard to find old GTA02 kbd to revamp for GTA04 ;-D | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://projects.goldelico.com/upload/gta04-main/files/GTA04A3-1-complete.pdf p.88 "Sheet: 16/19 Keypad" | 01:44 |
| Jooles_ | luke-jr i didn't read the reviews... personally I'd go to a local photo shop if you want a high spec card. they're also more likely to have a better returns policy. Then again I can't affor that so I buy them from my shop | 01:46 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: btw, did you hear there's a chance one of the ARM SoC vendors might do free 3D drivers? | 01:54 |
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| jonwil | which vendor is that? | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard rumours on IRC, nothing serious though | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: license on that document is unclear. it says CC-BY-SA, but has an icon for CC-BY-NC-SA | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | jonwil: the one that bought the stuff from AMD IIRC | 01:55 |
| jonwil | is that ARM Mali? | 01:55 |
| jonwil | or is that something different?> | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the schematics say "CC-BY-NC-SA" | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | would be nice to have something GPL-friendly, oh well | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | CC-NC at the very least is non-free | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | kinda defeats the purpose | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: btw I'd say there's no such thing like 3D drivers for ARM | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | I'd argue CC-BY is non-free too fwiw | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | GPL doesn't make sense for documents in many cases. | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: this is no more or less a document than any software, IMO | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: so what? take it or leave it | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | pfft, 800 MHz Cortex A8? that's so 2009 | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry we didn't pay the stamps to send you schematics of 2014's top notch schematics printouts | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: tech has been 1 GB RAM + dual core ARM for at least a year now :p | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're welcome to send over a few mio$ to design free hw with tomorrow's SoC for your convenience | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: design by small team is not fast. | 02:00 |
| Jooles_ | 3d is 3d | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | :P | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | this device been designed and built by basically 3 guys, one of them paying the whole enterprise from his pocket | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | please go to the relevant chan and pester him why he couldn'T get tomorrow's SoC last year when this started | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, I wonder why I bothered to point you at it | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | go get a fscking motorola device | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | might make a good phone, but unforunately not for me I think | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe they even tell you what SoC they use | 02:03 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: just ignore him | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | j/s | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: btw, fool, you got DATASHEETS available for general public, for your ACME dualcore-1GHz SoC??? | 02:05 |
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| chem|st | ~trout DocScrutinizer | 02:06 |
| * infobot slaps DocScrutinizer around a bit with a large trout! | 02:06 | |
| * DocScrutinizer envisions luke-jr bitch about "sooo nice hw, but couldn't those idiots use sth that is documented?" | 02:07 | |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no need to take it so personal. I'm not interested in phones, never have been. | 02:07 |
| Jooles_ | Now an ACME SoC would be *awesome* :) | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (small team not fast) feels to me as if they've been performing way better than my beloved 20-heads EE team in TPE | 02:14 |
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| Jooles_ | sounds about right :) | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and we don't have the sourcing of FIC to get us the SoCs and stuff here | 02:14 |
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| Jooles_ | No power in the 'verse can stop a small determined team | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | aye Sir | 02:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | ^with adequate funds. | 02:20 |
| Jooles_ | funds not that necessary. chips can be obtained for free with enough effort | 02:23 |
| Jooles_ | some are harder than others but it's all possible | 02:24 |
| * jonwil suspects the hardest part to get for a cellphone is the cellular radio stuff | 02:24 | |
| jonwil | seems like most people that make those dont want to even talk to you unless you are going to order <big quantity> | 02:25 |
| wmarone | not really, if you're willing to tolerate gprs and no flexibility in the size :) | 02:25 |
| jonwil | yeah 3G is where its hard | 02:26 |
| Jooles_ | it's also the only code you have to write yourself. Even with android, the telephony stack is totally closed and proprietary | 02:28 |
| * jonwil points at ofono :P | 02:29 | |
| Jooles_ | whassat? | 02:29 |
| Jooles_ | open source mobile telephony stack? | 02:30 |
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| jonwil | yep | 02:31 |
| Jooles_ | nice :) | 02:31 |
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| * jonwil just figured out the interface to yet another of the closed-source libraries on hte N900 | 02:35 | |
| jonwil | This time its libossoproductinfo :) | 02:35 |
| jonwil | if I could be bothered powering up my linux box and grabbing the x86 binary, I could figure out more about what it does too :P | 02:37 |
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| Jooles_ | right, I gotta sleep. Later all :) | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:46 |
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| * jonwil wishes he knew how nokia decided which bits of hildon-input-method to open source and which bits to keep closed. | 03:24 | |
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| luke-jr | if it's useful, they kept it closed. | 03:25 |
| jonwil | actually that's not true, there is a lot of good info in the open bits | 03:26 |
| jonwil | info that is helping me reverse engineer the closed bits | 03:27 |
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| LaoLang_cool | If there are apps running, then close a app will lead to dashboard, can I set it to go to desktop instead? | 03:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not afaik, would be a nice improvement request for CSSU MHD though | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I'm also missing a hotkey to go to desktop - at very least from appswitcher/dashboard | 03:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | ok | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus another one to go to appstarter/appmenu | 03:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | Another question: how to get the built-in avatar's pngs? where are they on n900? | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | then some generic "cursor" movement incl a method to highlight where the "cursor" sits, to navigate thru the appstarter icons and finally select and start an app with <enter> | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, no idea | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | what do you want to do with that phantom head? | 03:58 |
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| luke-jr | >>> Installing (65 of 243) dev-lang/perl-5.12.4-r1 | 04:16 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: I want to copy it and use it :) | 04:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | time to kill my uptime on one of my N900 lol | 08:00 |
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| Macer | uptime on an n900 isn't important | 08:26 |
| Macer | i turn mine off all the time | 08:26 |
| Macer | to swap the battery | 08:26 |
| Macer | i don't touch the usb port unless it is required | 08:26 |
| Macer | like to flash it or something or if there is no more way to get power for it | 08:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | uptime isn't important on N900 but when you have a few that you don't use constantly? :) | 08:30 |
| Macer | i suppose | 08:30 |
| Macer | i just have 1 that i use constantly | 08:30 |
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| TTilus | Macer: why avoid touching usb? just curious... | 09:24 |
| Sicelo | n900 usb is its 'weak' point - prone to come off | 09:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | it seems that its real easy to cause optfs errors for some weird reason :/ | 10:59 |
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| mihu | Hi. I found maemo-examples which show nearly all aspects of N900 application development. That was a great start. However, I now want my application to be able to create these separate "message windows". For example, when the N900 is in suspend, you receive an e-mail and then the device is turned on, then you see this yellow "message window" telling you that a new mail has arrived. . How are these created? I just need some catch words | 11:02 |
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| mihu | Ok, found it. It's in HildonNotification. I was using hildon_notification_helper_show() which would just produce these full-screen banner notifications. I have to use hildon_notification_new() and notify_notification_show() to get what I want. | 11:06 |
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| vi__ | Is the size of your backup tarball related to your manhood? | 11:27 |
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| vi__ | yo | 13:06 |
| vi__ | Is there a way to check if pin checking is switched on? | 13:06 |
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| chem|st | vi__: cli? | 14:07 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi | 14:48 |
| LaoLang_cool | Is there a shortcut to go to the top of a list? | 14:48 |
| LaoLang_cool | Otherwise I need to swipe and swipe many times | 14:49 |
| chem|st | close the list and open it again^^ | 14:50 |
| chem|st | or if search is enabled you type a "one" (1) | 14:50 |
| chem|st | or zero | 14:51 |
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| LaoLang_cool | chem|st: hmm, it's tricky, and not so immediate, because it means I need to rerun a app | 14:52 |
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| chem|st | LaoLang_cool: I know, long list are a pain, I'd like to have a touchable scrollbar... | 14:53 |
| LaoLang_cool | chem|st: I need a shortcut :) | 14:54 |
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| vi__ | chem|st: yes, cli | 14:57 |
| vi__ | chem|st: I have tried dbus sniffing and all sorts but I cannot get to the bottom of it. | 14:57 |
| vi__ | I was just wondering if perhaps somone had already addressed this one? | 14:57 |
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| chem|st | vi__: isn't it a gconf setting? | 15:04 |
| chem|st | oh you mean the flag on the simcard...?! no idea | 15:05 |
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| vi__ | chem|st: yar, simcard. You could cut a significant time out of the bootup by moving cell modem switchon to hildon startup as oppose to waiting for it to come up BEFORE even loading hildon. HOwever this would require that you did not want pin checking otherwise you could use the n900 (but not phone/sim) without entering pin. | 15:32 |
| vi__ | currently goes: | 15:33 |
| vi__ | boot>xorg>matchbox>5 dots>start GSM modem>ask for pin(if required)>kill 5 dots>kill matchbox>load hildon>etc | 15:34 |
| vi__ | It COULD go... | 15:34 |
| vi__ | boot>xorg>load hildon>etc AND start gsm>ask for pin (if required). | 15:35 |
| jonwil | getting rid of 5dots might be interesting | 15:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | 5dots is running when other stuff is. | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not blocking or anything. | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Somewhere there was a bootgraph thing | 15:59 |
| vi__ | I have gotten riud of 5 dots | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | That was integrated into busybox | 15:59 |
| vi__ | 5 dots is just so there issomthing on the screen to look at while n900 boots | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 16:00 |
| vi__ | it is even re-niced to 5 | 16:00 |
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| vi__ | if you edit /etc/event.d/hildon-startup-progress | 16:01 |
| vi__ | comment out everything, no more 5 dots | 16:01 |
| vi__ | in fact you can start anything you want instead of 5 dots... | 16:01 |
| vi__ | ...xterm for example | 16:01 |
| vi__ | then you have a shell for like 10 seconds till the n900 boots | 16:01 |
| vi__ | and xterm is killed | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Question is - is there anything actually productive that can be there. | 16:02 |
| vi__ | SpeedEvil: I dont think so. | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 16:02 |
| vi__ | I have considered conky to display clock and charge details | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | That's about it | 16:03 |
| vi__ | to display in that 'space' in act-dead mode | 16:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | That'd make sense. | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Some nicer indication of why it's acting dead'd be nice. | 16:03 |
| vi__ | The other idea was a button that would put phone into battery learn script | 16:04 |
| vi__ | it would fully charge, fully discharge, learn capacity, fully charge then switch on. | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh. | 16:04 |
| vi__ | In act dead mode | 16:04 |
| * SpeedEvil has mislaid his n900, and it won't ping. | 16:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | This means I may have to get up from the sofa to find it. | 16:04 |
| vi__ | SpeedEvil: sonovvabitch | 16:05 |
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| reenignEesreveR | anyone here who has compiled mardrone app? | 16:38 |
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| eichi | does latest CSSU update and latest power kernel updates work? any experiences? | 17:10 |
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| reenignEesreveR | i need some help regarding compiling QT app on Maemo | 17:11 |
| reenignEesreveR | anyone? | 17:11 |
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| lardman | what happens when one performs an NTFS format on a uSD card? | 17:15 |
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| vi__ | lardman: all lol breaks loose | 17:15 |
| vi__ | why the fuck would you want an NTFS sd card? | 17:15 |
| lardman | My uSD card seemed to lose its partition table and fdisk wouldn't write to it, so I stuck it in a Windows box to try that, it performed a full format for ~10min, then decided it had failed, back in OpenSUSE laptop and the old table is back | 17:15 |
| lardman | and the old data too | 17:16 |
| vi__ | lardman: sounds like a duff card to me | 17:16 |
| vi__ | is it new? | 17:16 |
| lardman | nah, had it for a whilte | 17:16 |
| vi__ | How long is a while? | 17:16 |
| vi__ | months, years? | 17:16 |
| lardman | a year perhaps | 17:16 |
| lardman | 8Gb card, used for Meego/Ubuntu images | 17:17 |
| vi__ | have you tried completely hosing it with fdisk and starting again? | 17:17 |
| vi__ | I think you should | 17:17 |
| lardman | well as my data seems to be intact now.... | 17:17 |
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| merlin1991 | reenignEesreveR: what help? | 17:19 |
| lardman | might be worth backing up the partition mind you, do I need to feed tar any extra switches to save ownership, etc.? | 17:21 |
| reenignEesreveR | merlin1991, need to compile an app (called mardrone) | 17:24 |
| reenignEesreveR | it uses qt | 17:24 |
| reenignEesreveR | i've setup almost everything as documentation says (although i don't udnerstand most of it) | 17:24 |
| merlin1991 | so you've got a scratchbox? | 17:24 |
| reenignEesreveR | yeah, but when i do /scratchbox/login | 17:25 |
| reenignEesreveR | it says permission denied | 17:25 |
| merlin1991 | did you run the installer properly with $USER? | 17:25 |
| reenignEesreveR | and if i compile otherwise, i get this: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtComponents | 17:25 |
| vi__ | lardman: well save your data ASAP and fdisk that mutha. | 17:25 |
| vi__ | reenignEesreveR: sounds like you are missing some QT librarys | 17:25 |
| reenignEesreveR | merlin1991, i don't know what is meant by that | 17:25 |
| reenignEesreveR | vi__, i'm pretty positive that I've installed everything i could find on net | 17:26 |
| * merlin1991 boots scratchboxlaptop | 17:26 | |
| vi__ | well, ld is domthing to do with indexing your libraries | 17:26 |
| vi__ | alas I do not really lnow though. | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | vi__: he isn't even in side scratchbox | 17:26 |
| reenignEesreveR | yeah, im not in scratchbox | 17:26 |
| reenignEesreveR | prolly my program is just compiling under x86 | 17:27 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 17:27 |
| reenignEesreveR | how do i fix my sctratchbox? | 17:27 |
| merlin1991 | I'll help you in a sec | 17:27 |
| merlin1991 | need to boot my scratchbox installation | 17:27 |
| merlin1991 | reenignEesreveR: what do you get with `ls /scratchbox/users/` | 17:29 |
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| reenignEesreveR | merlin1991, nothing | 17:29 |
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| merlin1991 | okay then | 17:30 |
| reenignEesreveR | aah, i think i missed this then: sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser <username> | 17:30 |
| merlin1991 | yep :D | 17:30 |
| reenignEesreveR | still not working :D | 17:30 |
| merlin1991 | do you see the user dir now? | 17:30 |
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| reenignEesreveR | yup | 17:31 |
| reenignEesreveR | but still permission denied message | 17:31 |
| merlin1991 | did you put the yes in the end of sbox_adduser too? | 17:31 |
| reenignEesreveR | nope | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | then you need to add yourself to the sbox group | 17:32 |
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| reenignEesreveR | could you tell me the command for that? | 17:32 |
| reenignEesreveR | *sigh* | 17:33 |
| reenignEesreveR | The user `sha' is already a member of `sbox' | 17:33 |
| reenignEesreveR | do i neeed to reboot? :P | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | ah then do newgrp sbox | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | and try again the scratchbox login | 17:33 |
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| reenignEesreveR | what does newgrp do? | 17:34 |
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| merlin1991 | the group isn't in effect untill you reboot, newgrp sets your group id for that session | 17:35 |
| reenignEesreveR | ok | 17:36 |
| reenignEesreveR | ok now scratchbox has worked | 17:36 |
| reenignEesreveR | now how do i compile my program with scratchbox? | 17:36 |
| merlin1991 | wich guide did you follow to install scratchbox? | 17:36 |
| reenignEesreveR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_Text-based_Installer | 17:37 |
| reenignEesreveR | oh $#!t | 17:37 |
| merlin1991 | ? | 17:37 |
| reenignEesreveR | i missed a few things else as well | 17:37 |
| merlin1991 | did you install the rootstraps? | 17:37 |
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| reenignEesreveR | i previously did using maemo5-sdk | 17:39 |
| reenignEesreveR | do i need to redo now after scratchbox stuff? | 17:39 |
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| merlin1991 | what does sb-conf ls -T in scratchbox say? | 17:40 |
| reenignEesreveR | nothing :( | 17:41 |
| merlin1991 | then do everything the guide says starting from step 9 | 17:42 |
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| reenignEesreveR | merlin1991, my targets directory in scratchbox doesn't contain anything except "links" directory | 17:45 |
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| merlin1991 | you can either follow the guide from the step where you have to run ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh | 17:46 |
| reenignEesreveR | although i've followed it before | 17:46 |
| reenignEesreveR | but lemme redo before i ping you again | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | or start with the log in to scratchbox step @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#On_x86_and_x86_64_Debian-based_systems | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | the thing is the install script couldn't perform properly due to the scratchbox user missing | 17:47 |
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| reenignEesreveR | i'm getting this error while running the maemo sdk install script in step 9: E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user. | 17:49 |
| reenignEesreveR | E: Please check that user is member of the group specified in scratchbox | 17:49 |
| reenignEesreveR | do i need to reboot? | 17:49 |
| merlin1991 | yeah do a reboot | 17:49 |
| reenignEesreveR | see ya | 17:49 |
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| * merlin1991 wants a rasperry pi | 17:50 | |
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| reenignEesreveR | merlin1991, reboot helped. now im getting this error: E: Scratchbox devkit debian-etch not found. | 17:57 |
| merlin1991 | arf | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | that installer is so out of date | 17:58 |
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| merlin1991 | it's devkit debian-squeeze by now :/ | 17:58 |
| reenignEesreveR | oh | 17:58 |
| reenignEesreveR | i think i needed a sed | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | trash the installer (keep what you installed though) and follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#On_x86_and_x86_64_Debian-based_systems | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | start where it says log in to scratchbox | 17:58 |
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| merlin1991 | you'll be doing exactly what the text installer "should" do for you :D | 17:59 |
| reenignEesreveR | i'll be needing some help with this line "Copy the sources.list entry given to you after the license acceptance to your Scratchbox x86 and armel target’s /etc/apt/sources.list file" | 18:01 |
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| reenignEesreveR | i dont have working /etc in scratchbox | 18:01 |
| reenignEesreveR | bash: cd: /etc: No such file or directory | 18:01 |
| reenignEesreveR | basically /target/links directory is empty | 18:01 |
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| merlin1991 | did you dl the minimal bootstraps? | 18:02 |
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| reenignEesreveR | im not sure about that | 18:02 |
| reenignEesreveR | oh | 18:02 |
| reenignEesreveR | you are talking about the manual installtion part? | 18:03 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 18:03 |
| merlin1991 | you'll need todo that one | 18:03 |
| merlin1991 | starting with login to scratchbox followed by configure the targets | 18:03 |
| merlin1991 | because the script that should dl the targets rootstrap and set them up for you didn't run | 18:04 |
| reenignEesreveR | :( | 18:05 |
| reenignEesreveR | sb-conf: No such devkit: debian-etch | 18:05 |
| merlin1991 | uh oh | 18:05 |
| merlin1991 | lemme see something | 18:05 |
| reenignEesreveR | debian-etch to be replaced with debian-squeeze everywhere? | 18:05 |
| merlin1991 | yeah | 18:06 |
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| reenignEesreveR | quite some hacker friendly documentation maemo has now! | 18:07 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 18:07 |
| luke-jr | ? | 18:07 |
| merlin1991 | luke-jr: the final sdk installation page is slightly out of date .D | 18:07 |
| reenignEesreveR | :) | 18:07 |
| luke-jr | reenignEesreveR: you realize Maemo is dead as a doorknob, right? | 18:07 |
| merlin1991 | reenignEesreveR: although it still links you to this channel ;) | 18:07 |
| reenignEesreveR | i can't seem to accept the fact that maemo is dead | 18:08 |
| reenignEesreveR | im in love with it | 18:08 |
| reenignEesreveR | its the best mobile UI i've ever seen | 18:08 |
| reenignEesreveR | fantastic multitasking | 18:08 |
| reenignEesreveR | disclaimer: I haven't had a chance to play around with meego | 18:09 |
| vi__ | disclaimer: meego sucks monkeys nuts | 18:09 |
| luke-jr | ^ | 18:09 |
| * luke-jr runs Gentoo | 18:09 | |
| merlin1991 | disclaimer harmattan on the other hand has awesome ui | 18:09 |
| reenignEesreveR | merlin1991, you run harmattan? | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | on my n9 :D | 18:10 |
| vi__ | awesome if you are a paraplegic mong who cannot use a real keyboard | 18:10 |
| luke-jr | N9 is a joke | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | vi__: harmattan as a phone os is awesome | 18:10 |
| luke-jr | and insult | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | it simply is not a linux gadget | 18:10 |
| vi__ | They sacrifice so much function just so they can have no buttons. | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | it's a phone | 18:10 |
| vi__ | how much herp can nokia derp? | 18:10 |
| reenignEesreveR | you can't run harmattan on n900 yet, right? | 18:10 |
| luke-jr | reenignEesreveR: never | 18:10 |
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| luke-jr | reenignEesreveR: the only thing that supports N900 now is Gentoo I think :P | 18:11 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, Harmattan/N9 is super-closed | 18:12 |
| vi__ | luke? lol wut, you care to qualify that staement? | 18:12 |
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| luke-jr | vi___: ever hear of DRM? | 18:13 |
| vi__ | what? | 18:13 |
| reenignEesreveR | merlin1991, thanks for all the help. Its going to take some while in downloading. I'll get a break now. | 18:13 |
| vi__ | everyone knows harmattan is fucking super gay | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 18:13 |
| luke-jr | N9 is like iPhone, minus the ability to jailbreak it | 18:13 |
| vi__ | I wanna know about gentoo | 18:13 |
| luke-jr | o | 18:13 |
| luke-jr | what about it | 18:14 |
| vi__ | is all the hardware supported? | 18:14 |
| luke-jr | dunno yet. | 18:14 |
| luke-jr | need to see if ofono 1.0 works with phone calls | 18:14 |
| luke-jr | PowerVR sure isn't. | 18:14 |
| vi__ | There was a guy who was creating a hildon front end for meego n900 hardware adaptation. | 18:15 |
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| vi__ | But he was a boner | 18:15 |
| luke-jr | I haven't booted to Gentoo in over a year now. | 18:15 |
| luke-jr | going through the usual upgrades | 18:15 |
| Jooles | Soon as I've got an SD card I'm gonna be trying gentoo on my n810 | 18:15 |
| luke-jr | Jooles: good luck >_< | 18:16 |
| luke-jr | also, N810 doesn't have a SD slot. | 18:16 |
| Jooles | Yeah but typing miniSD is so much more work | 18:16 |
| luke-jr | :P | 18:16 |
| luke-jr | uSD is short | 18:16 |
| Jooles | Yeah but that's micro not mini | 18:17 |
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| luke-jr | Jooles: nobody makes mini :P | 18:19 |
| luke-jr | just uSD + adapter | 18:19 |
| Jooles | That's why I can get a 4GB one for £1 | 18:20 |
| Jooles | But yeah, I'm gonna get a micro & adapter. Much easier that way | 18:20 |
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| Jooles | ]Plus if I get one with a mini to SD adapter too, I can just whack it in my desktop card reader and cross compile the larger apps much more easily | 18:22 |
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| orbiting | I was annoyed with the n810 lack of a second slot until I realized I could sandwich in 6x16GB microSDHC cards in the back panel. next to the battery. | 18:24 |
| orbiting | Sure you have to switch cards, but it's good to be able to carry everything. | 18:24 |
| Jooles | Yeah, it's nice and roomy | 18:25 |
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| Macer | alrighty! | 18:33 |
| orbiting | I just remembered why I logged into the channel. Has anyone seen Skype turn greyscale? Skype is fine on my n810, but my two n800s have turned black and white.... | 18:33 |
| Macer | wonder if comcast is open | 18:33 |
| orbiting | Skype still works, it's just ugly and a little bit of guessing is required to use the UI now. | 18:33 |
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| luke-jr | Jooles: 4 GB isn't enough | 18:44 |
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| vi__ | I have a desk spider | 18:52 |
| vi__ | He abseiled in from the ceiling and is now constructing a web on my desk lamp | 18:52 |
| vi__ | about 2 feet from my face | 18:52 |
| vi__ | fascinating | 18:52 |
| luke-jr | just tell him to stay out of your way | 18:53 |
| luke-jr | :p | 18:53 |
| luke-jr | >>> Emerging (16 of 90) dev-libs/libxml2-2.7.8-r3 | 18:53 |
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| vi__ | he is now my pet | 18:55 |
| vi__ | called ponzi | 18:55 |
| vi__ | after the UK pension scheme | 18:55 |
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| fff | hi | 19:13 |
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| Jooles | luke-jr why not? Keep the portage tree on my desktop, mount it via nfs when needed. My image at the moment is only 1.8GB | 19:24 |
| luke-jr | portage tree isn't too big | 19:25 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: fresh blood? | 19:27 |
| Jooles | Hi slonopotamus. Yep. | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: why do you keep forking? :P | 19:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves to Ponzi | 19:27 | |
| Jooles | I'm gonna gentoo up my n810 once I've got an SD card for it. | 19:28 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: gitorious doesn't have wiki :-/ | 19:28 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: true, but immaterial :p | 19:29 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: what happened to your wiki? | 19:30 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: it ain't as stable as i would like it to be :) also, git{hub,orious} provide other nice services that i have no desire to run | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vi__: I don't give names to my spider pets - I'd feel bad when I have to throw them outa the window into the cold winter and whisper "have a good time, Jimmy" | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: elinux.org ? | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: i moved all content and set up a permanent redirect | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 19:31 |
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| Jooles | so luke-jr, what size would you recommend as a minimum? | 19:40 |
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| luke-jr | Jooles: 8 GB | 19:41 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: merged your changes but i'll remove dependency on nonexistent stlc45{5,6}0-firmware :P | 19:43 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: noooooo | 19:44 |
| slonopotamus | and requiring me to specify USE=p54prism is crap | 19:44 |
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| luke-jr | stop forcing people who have it to get the alternative | 19:44 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: what, it's supposed to guess? :P | 19:44 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: no, it's just not its business. | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | could always make p54prism default to enabled | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: yes it is… | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | n8x0env's only purpose is to pull in dependencies | 19:45 |
| slonopotamus | point of n8x0-env is to simplify make.conf/world file. | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | and make sure your system is sane for the USE flags | 19:45 |
| slonopotamus | and in case of p54prism it only complicates. | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | to satisfy the wifi USE flag means it needs to make sure you have a wifi driver :p | 19:46 |
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| slonopotamus | i have a right to shoot myself in a leg, damnit :P | 19:46 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: how about if neither cx3110x nor stlc45xx are USEd, check that there's a p54prism kernel with it configured as an option? ;) | 19:46 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: USE=-wifi lets you shoot yourself | 19:46 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: that's a much better solution | 19:47 |
| slonopotamus | (though it can't reliably check it) | 19:47 |
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| luke-jr | but srsly, if I have net-wireless/stlc4560-firmware, don't force me to install net-wireless/nokia-n8x0-firmware | 19:48 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: sure it can. there's an eclass for it | 19:48 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: something needs to be done to nokia-n8x0-firmware because on 3.1 kernel i run without initfs so symlinks do not work | 19:49 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: or provide the stlc4550-firmware pkg | 19:50 |
| slonopotamus | (besides, openwrt jffs driver is a bit broken so initfs directory structure is messed up) | 19:50 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: meh, provide it if you have one | 19:50 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: afaik,none from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/p54 worked for you | 19:51 |
| slonopotamus | err, from http://daemonizer.de/prism54/prism54-fw/ | 19:51 |
| luke-jr | those are only 4560 | 19:51 |
| slonopotamus | yep, that's why they didn't work :P | 19:52 |
| luke-jr | never tried the last one from 2008 | 19:52 |
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| * slonopotamus wonders what's the license for 3826.arm? standard maemo eula? | 19:54 | |
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| luke-jr | got yours booted? :P | 19:54 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: what got? | 19:54 |
| luke-jr | N8x0 | 19:55 |
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| luke-jr | mine is in the car | 19:55 |
| luke-jr | off | 19:55 |
| slonopotamus | i'm talking about maemo firmware from initfs. | 19:55 |
| luke-jr | I know | 19:55 |
| luke-jr | it's also in dpkg, right? | 19:55 |
| slonopotamus | ah, yep, mine is on currently | 19:56 |
| RST38h | EHLO slono | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus | no, initfs in only distributed in flashable image | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: preved medved | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 19:59 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:59 |
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| slonopotamus | infobot: at least someone talks to me | 19:59 |
| luke-jr | http://lekernel.net/prism54/freemac.html looks interesting | 20:00 |
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| slonopotamus | scary | 20:01 |
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| jacktheripper | I couldn't execute a cross-compiled (from x64) ARM binary on my N900. I used gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi instead of scratchbox (since it's huge and I just needed a compiler). | 20:03 |
| jacktheripper | gives me "line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")" | 20:04 |
| jacktheripper | does anybody have any idea what's wrong ? | 20:04 |
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| slonopotamus | check if it is really arm binary by running `file` on it | 20:04 |
| jacktheripper | 'file' on the binary gives me "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped" | 20:04 |
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| jacktheripper | ^ lol there | 20:04 |
| jacktheripper | which looks almost exactly as file on /bin/busybox | 20:05 |
| jacktheripper | no missing libs (tried ldd) | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | jacktheripper: something more subtle going on there | 20:06 |
| luke-jr | jacktheripper: what does your binary do? | 20:06 |
| jacktheripper | it's x264 | 20:06 |
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| Jooles | Missing libs is pretty obvious.. | 20:06 |
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| jacktheripper | ./configure ignores --enable-static. And ldd shows me no errors | 20:07 |
| slonopotamus | maybe you binary runs successfully then? :) | 20:08 |
| slonopotamus | and prints line you gave | 20:08 |
| luke-jr | ^ most likely | 20:08 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: btw, ever find a Portage replacement that runs at a reasonable speed? | 20:08 |
| jacktheripper | heh not really. I've seen the line before with missing libs | 20:08 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: writing one | 20:08 |
| jacktheripper | it's probably the shell thinking it's a script | 20:08 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: lol? | 20:09 |
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| luke-jr | jacktheripper: shells don't think it's a script unless you try to run it wrong | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | jacktheripper: ok, how you run it? | 20:09 |
| jacktheripper | ./x264 | 20:10 |
| jacktheripper | permissions are all right, and I'm root | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | sure you didn't do: . x264 | 20:10 |
| slonopotamus | well, you can gdb it | 20:10 |
| jacktheripper | yep. There's ./checkasm too | 20:10 |
| jacktheripper | getting gdb | 20:11 |
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| * luke-jr pulls the "only Gentoo supported" card | 20:11 | |
| * slonopotamus fails to get luke-jr joke | 20:12 | |
| luke-jr | not a joke. :p | 20:12 |
| inz | Sounds more like brain damage | 20:12 |
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| slonopotamus | inz: sounds like all the rest of this channel is even less maemo related. | 20:13 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 20:13 |
| inz | maemo is dead. long live the offtopic | 20:13 |
| luke-jr | ^ | 20:15 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/ | 20:16 |
| inz | If it can be done doesn't always mean you should. | 20:16 |
| luke-jr | I should. | 20:17 |
| Jooles | Why not? | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | far easier than messing with cross-compiling bs | 20:17 |
| slonopotamus | cross-compiling doesn't work, yep (mostly due to autotools crap). | 20:18 |
| jacktheripper | gdb is useless :/. "Program exited with code 02" | 20:20 |
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| Jooles | Code 2? That's unusual | 20:21 |
| Jooles | Google reckons that means "Misuse of shell builtins (according to Bash documentation)" | 20:22 |
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| vi____ | yo | 20:22 |
| luke-jr | jacktheripper: step. | 20:22 |
| vi____ | Can someone suggest me a linux distro to load onto my laptop? | 20:23 |
| luke-jr | sounds like it's using system() and expecting BASH | 20:23 |
| vi____ | I am a debian guy | 20:23 |
| luke-jr | vi____: Gentoo on N900 | 20:23 |
| vi____ | lols | 20:23 |
| Jooles | vi____: Gentoo :) | 20:23 |
| vi____ | I want one that will load into ram and run exclusivley from there | 20:23 |
| vi____ | I am running knoppix from ram at the mo but it sucks balls | 20:23 |
| Jooles | DSL then? | 20:23 |
| vi____ | DSL is totally dead | 20:24 |
| jacktheripper | luke-jr, not a gdb pro here. Not sure how to 'step' before I 'start'. And start terminates the prog | 20:24 |
| vi____ | development hath ceased | 20:24 |
| Jooles | Uhh.. slack might go pretty small still. I think zipslack is dead but slack itself could be made small still | 20:24 |
| Jooles | I think.. | 20:25 |
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| vi____ | knoppix does nto even come with an IRC client | 20:25 |
| vi____ | and has these retarded startup sounds | 20:25 |
| Macer | why not nslu2? | 20:25 |
| vi____ | klause spunked all the space on a full fat openoffice | 20:25 |
| Jooles | But how else will you know if your system is starting?# | 20:25 |
| vi____ | nslu2? | 20:25 |
| luke-jr | vi____: Gentoo on N900 | 20:25 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: Gentoo on N900 | 20:26 |
| Macer | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/HomePage | 20:26 |
| vi____ | Well I certainly dont need a synthesised woman voice announcing at full volume 'startup sequance initiated!' | 20:26 |
| vi____ | like it is some kind of miracel | 20:26 |
| vi____ | this is not 1998 anymore | 20:26 |
| Jooles | Maybe that's the hollywood version... | 20:26 |
| Jooles | "THIS COMPUTER IS RUNNING LINUX, LOOK!!!11!" | 20:27 |
| vi____ | then there is all this knoppix addriane horse shit | 20:27 |
| Macer | haha | 20:27 |
| vi____ | linux for blind people, WOOT! | 20:27 |
| vi____ | -_- | 20:27 |
| vi____ | you have fallen so far klause | 20:27 |
| Macer | linux for blind people was neat | 20:27 |
| Macer | i ran into a blind linux user before.. it was interesting to see it work | 20:28 |
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| vi____ | actually he ran into you | 20:28 |
| vi____ | didnt see it coming | 20:28 |
| Macer | no way. super hearing ;) | 20:28 |
| Macer | he knew exactly where i was without the stick | 20:28 |
| vi____ | you hit him with a stick? | 20:29 |
| Macer | he had synthesizers in the PCs tho.. which i thought odd considering that in 1997 or so you probably didn't need them | 20:29 |
| Macer | the windows one was pretty funny | 20:29 |
| Macer | hearin hawking go "OK... CANCEL... OK... CANCEL..... BLACK HOLE" | 20:29 |
| vi____ | nslu2 is a dd-wrt firmware? | 20:29 |
| Macer | it is an embedded firmware i suppose | 20:29 |
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| Macer | but then again i suppose so is maemo | 20:30 |
| Macer | so i doubt it would do much good :) | 20:30 |
| vi____ | ? | 20:30 |
| vi____ | I want a linux distro for my laptop | 20:30 |
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| Macer | typical embedded busybox stuff | 20:30 |
| vi____ | that will so the boot from ram thing | 20:30 |
| Macer | oh.. i thought you wanted it for the n900 | 20:30 |
| Macer | like luke-jr with his lame ass gentoo for n900 :) | 20:30 |
| vi____ | lol no, maemo 5 is made of win | 20:30 |
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| Macer | oh | 20:31 |
| Macer | then maybe you should look at it | 20:31 |
| Macer | it's pretty "small" | 20:31 |
| vi____ | get calling + sim services + hildon + decent pda appz then id be cool with n900 gentoo | 20:31 |
| slonopotamus | (Macer pretends to laugh at gentoo because he failed to setup one (though was given a detaied instruction) and wants to look like as if it is gentoo fault and not his) | 20:32 |
| Macer | haha... they haven't even done that in maemo.. let alone gentoo :) | 20:32 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: er.. huh? | 20:32 |
| Macer | i had it running on my n810 | 20:32 |
| vi____ | I tried to set up gentoo once | 20:32 |
| Macer | i used gentoo for quite a while on PCs too | 20:32 |
| vi____ | I gave up and went with freebsd instead | 20:33 |
| vi____ | I was less hard | 20:33 |
| Macer | but realized that it was easier to use something else | 20:33 |
| vi____ | Macer: +1 | 20:33 |
| Macer | and not wait 10 years to build | 20:33 |
| Macer | although i guess gentoo came off the src fanclub and has bin repos nowadays | 20:33 |
| vi____ | gentoo pushes computing from productivity tool into the realm of hobby | 20:33 |
| Macer | agreed | 20:33 |
| Macer | personally i think the point of emerge is to seem intelligent with all the scrolling gcc stuff | 20:34 |
| slonopotamus | it's not gentoo fault that software is so bloated today (openoffice, ff, kde, etc) | 20:34 |
| vi____ | I do like scrolling text | 20:34 |
| Macer | stay in the office reading a book while yu have 3 terms doing that and people think you're doing something serios | 20:34 |
| Macer | not just "emerge kde" | 20:34 |
| Macer | which takes 3 years :) | 20:34 |
| vi____ | these days just give me a debian box | 20:35 |
| vi____ | and we will say no more | 20:35 |
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| Macer | yeah.. ubuntu server is actually not too bad.. and i was reluctant to jump on the ubuntu bandwagon | 20:35 |
| vi____ | Macer: lol, u trollin bro? | 20:35 |
| Macer | although i do like kubuntu.. bt only because i like kde | 20:35 |
| slonopotamus | ubuntu server is actually same as debian (from gentoo POV) | 20:36 |
| Macer | trolling? no. i started using ubuntu server a while back | 20:36 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: i suppose | 20:36 |
| Macer | in a sense.. but i wouldn't consider them the same thing | 20:36 |
| vi____ | Macer: I really like johnny cash's hurt. NIN nails cover of it was just shit. | 20:36 |
| Macer | like rhel and centos | 20:36 |
| Macer | vi____: lol | 20:36 |
| slonopotamus | w/e, stop going offtopic | 20:37 |
| vi____ | what is the topic? | 20:37 |
| vi____ | not harmattan? | 20:37 |
| slonopotamus | i got fcking n800 led working with 3.1 kernel a couple of days ago! :P | 20:37 |
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| vi____ | ~topic | 20:37 |
| Macer | gentoo or something? | 20:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: :) | 20:37 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: i might put gentoo on my n810 soon | 20:37 |
| slonopotamus | infobot: topic is gentoo | 20:38 |
| vi____ | slonopotamus: bad. ass. | 20:38 |
| Macer | but then again i think i was going to leave it at work as a glorified fm radio/mp3 player | 20:38 |
| Macer | canola ftw | 20:38 |
| vi____ | Macer: the oriny being it is not particuarly great at either | 20:38 |
| vi____ | ^irony | 20:38 |
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| Macer | it can handle mp3s and fm radio stuff. oh wait.. it didn't have a tuner did it? | 20:39 |
| Macer | why do i keep thinking the n8x0 had an fm tuner? :) | 20:39 |
| slonopotamus | because n800 has one | 20:39 |
| Macer | i actually don't use it anymore becaue it took a 1 story dive and the sliding traks broke | 20:39 |
| vi____ | Is the n900 dying from n9 as fast as the n8x0 died when the n900 came along? | 20:39 |
| Macer | they get caught | 20:39 |
| Macer | lol. no | 20:39 |
| Macer | mostly because the n9 costs a child's soul | 20:40 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: ah that's what it is | 20:40 |
| Macer | i forgot they took it out of the n810 | 20:40 |
| slonopotamus | vi____: n900 users don't give a shit about n9. because n9 is even more dead-born than n900. | 20:40 |
| Macer | i had an n800 as well | 20:40 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: current gentoo userspace doesn't work with diablo kernel (that's why efforts to make 3.1 work on n8x0 are done) | 20:40 |
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| Macer | slonopotamus: i hear meego is actually pretty nice tho | 20:40 |
| Macer | a true linux type version of ios :) | 20:41 |
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| vi____ | derp | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | meego is dead | 20:41 |
| Macer | seriously tho... from what i've heard it is not bad | 20:41 |
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| vi____ | what happened to the n900 meego ce? | 20:41 |
| Macer | but then again.. neither was webos and see how far that got? | 20:41 |
| vi____ | and mer? | 20:41 |
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| Macer | vi____: mer died with meego | 20:41 |
| Macer | meego died just because | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | mer doesn't target end users | 20:41 |
| vi____ | then what use is it? | 20:42 |
| Macer | meego is to n900 as mer is to n810 | 20:42 |
| slonopotamus | they provide a stage3-like environment and think they're important. | 20:42 |
| Macer | make sense? :) | 20:42 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: still tho. i hear meego is pretty nice on the n9.. i can't speak from personal experience tho so i don't know | 20:43 |
| Macer | looks nice in video demos ;) | 20:43 |
| vi____ | I wish maemo 5 was actually RAW debian. | 20:43 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: harmattan != meego | 20:43 |
| jacktheripper | much better than it looks | 20:43 |
| vi____ | lol, there is no meego on n9 | 20:43 |
| Macer | the n9 hardware at least is a lot smoother than the n900 of course | 20:43 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: that is a "linux is just a kernel" argument ;) | 20:43 |
| slonopotamus | vi____: that was too simple. nokia linux guys are obsessed with forking and patching every piece of software they touch. | 20:43 |
| vi____ | And ignoring/disapointing their fan/user base. | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: there was no working alternative when linux appeared, i fail to see how your example relates. | 20:44 |
| Macer | nm | 20:45 |
| vi____ | help topic | 20:45 |
| vi____ | ~help topic | 20:45 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: and wtr mer, you get exactly the same by installing minimal <your-distro> chroot | 20:45 |
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| Macer | slonopotamus: i noticed | 20:46 |
| Macer | but they did make a nice boot animation :) | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: do you talk about pre- or post- meego mer? | 20:46 |
| Macer | pre | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | pre-meego mer was dead even before meego | 20:47 |
| Macer | which i would guess is the same as post ;) | 20:47 |
| slonopotamus | post-meego mer is another thing. it is a minimal system without any GUI, without any hw-specific, just a base set of packages. | 20:47 |
| vi____ | how much many meego does it take to change a lightbulb? | 20:48 |
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| slonopotamus | drj_cro failed to stay on topic | 20:48 |
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| Macer | gone to get some food? | 20:49 |
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| Macer | :) it's thanksgiving? a turkey? oh wait.. slonopotamus isn't in the US | 20:49 |
| * vi____ hears the footsteps of a guard on patrol. | 20:49 | |
| Macer | nm heh | 20:49 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: feel free to change wording if that doesn't sound proper english :P | 20:49 |
| Macer | huh? | 20:50 |
| vi____ | so what do you make of this 720p recording on n900 eh? | 20:50 |
| Macer | it can record at 720p? | 20:51 |
| vi____ | doing the unpossible? | 20:51 |
| Macer | i didn't think the hardware could pull that off | 20:51 |
| vi____ | The DSP codecs have been uh...borrowed from harmattan | 20:51 |
| vi____ | The DSP has been overclocked. | 20:51 |
| Macer | yeah but i thought it was more so a physical hardware limitation | 20:51 |
| Macer | oooooh | 20:51 |
| Macer | that sounds like something i woudln't try heh | 20:52 |
| vi____ | They said it couldn't be done | 20:52 |
| Macer | overlocking the dsp to make 720p video? no thanks | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd be more impressed with non-jerky standard def. | 20:52 |
| vi____ | why not? | 20:52 |
| Macer | the video quality of the n900 is good enough for me | 20:52 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil: i didn't really have probems with bad video on my n900 | 20:52 |
| vi____ | SpeedEvil: It has been fixed as far as i can tell | 20:52 |
| Macer | i use it all the time | 20:52 |
| Macer | for my son's stuff :) | 20:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd try it - but my n900 is not where I remember putting it. | 20:53 |
| vi____ | reverse ssh! | 20:53 |
| Macer | haha | 20:53 |
| Macer | i thought the n900 takes fine pictures too | 20:54 |
| Macer | i mean really the n900 is a pretty old phone but still seems to hold its own rather well | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | pics are generally acceptable to me. | 20:54 |
| Macer | but i mean really.. who needs high def video to be taken from their phone? being beaten by police officers works at sd | 20:54 |
| Macer | the judge just needs to make out their faces not see the sweat protruding out their pores | 20:55 |
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| Macer | i guess the camera used in cloverfield was high def | 20:55 |
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| Macer | never know when you are going to have to film godzilla-like monsters attacking NYC | 20:55 |
| vi____ | because we use our 'phones' to record our life around us. | 20:56 |
| vi____ | All these photos, videos and sounds have value. | 20:57 |
| vi____ | You have a choice, keep shit photos or good ones. | 20:57 |
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| Macer | well.. either way.. i think the n900 takes rather good video and photos | 21:08 |
| Macer | even now | 21:08 |
| Macer | i bet my n900 cam takes better quality pics than my G2 cam | 21:08 |
| Macer | 5MP vs 8MP | 21:08 |
| Macer | speaking of which... oh wait.. nm... no mail today. i am waiting for a housing replacement and replacement ribbon cable for my crappy G2 | 21:09 |
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| Macer | i wish i could run maemo on the G2 :) | 21:09 |
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| giorgiline | hello people | 21:34 |
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| jacekowski | Macer: well, N8 makes the best photos i've seen so far | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | Macer: in phone | 21:34 |
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| jacekowski | Macer: it makes better photos than my first digital camera | 21:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | My first digital camera had a 'high res' mode of 320*240 | 21:35 |
| RaeCarruth | hey guys, just curious - is it worth installing meego? is there a decent selection of apps? | 21:35 |
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| Macer | jacekowski: hahaha | 21:37 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: i was going to say the same thing! | 21:38 |
| Macer | at 9fps :) | 21:38 |
| Macer | for video | 21:38 |
| Macer | jacekowski: isn't an e7 the same as an n8 but with a qwerty? | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | not really | 21:39 |
| jacekowski | n8 has real flash | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | e7 has just leds | 21:40 |
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| Macer | is that a big deal? | 21:41 |
| Macer | light isn't light? | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | An instant flash freezes motion. | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | A LED doesn't. | 21:41 |
| Macer | so it is just a matter of how well you hold still | 21:42 |
| Macer | ? | 21:42 |
| Macer | freezes motion? it stops time? :) | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not quite that simple. | 21:42 |
| Macer | i know photons do some pretty amazing things.. but freezing motion is not one | 21:42 |
| Sicelo | e7 also isn't 12mp | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_photography | 21:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | In addition - if you have a .5 second flash - vs a .01 second flash. | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | If you open the shutter for .5 vs .01 seconds - with the same total light energy - the amount of background light can be much smaller | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - the whole rolling shutter thing. | 21:44 |
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| Macer | Sicelo: i bought 4 3TB hard drives and when all was said and done.. i only have 8TB total for use | 21:45 |
| Macer | i say that beause a MP rating vs cam quality are relative | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0.01s - actually sth like 0.00001s | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | more like | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I once calculated a usual 30Ws flash blasts with a real power like several GigaWatt | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it several dozen MegaWatt? | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Gigawatt is high | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not _that_ fast. | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's an electrolytic cap | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it's sufficient to hear the photons impact on a cookie box lid | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's going to discharge in on the order of milliseconds, not micro. | 21:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | That's due to flash heating. | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it only works good on reflective surfaces | 21:49 |
| Macer | LOL | 21:50 |
| Macer | you heard photons hitting? :) | 21:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Err. | 21:50 |
| Macer | what did it sound like? | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | p=e/c | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Or something | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 10J is 3*10^-7kgms or so. | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | photon pressure in plain day sunlight is ~1g/m^2 on a mirror | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | No, it's not. | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | !math 1000/3*10^8 | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 21:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | 6 micronewtons or so | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | about 1 microgram. | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (f) | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard different | 21:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Go and look up photon pressure. 2*(for reflective surfaces)1000W/c = small | 21:54 |
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| Macer | apache2-mpm-prefork? | 21:54 |
| Macer | but he said gigawatt didn't he? | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I was addressing the sunlight point. | 21:56 |
| Macer | oh | 21:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sunlight is of the order of 1000W/m^2 | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway Bahlsen-keksdosen-effekt been demonstrated to us by our physics teacher, and since I did a lot of tests and come to the conclusion it must be photon impact and not heating effects | 21:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sound from light is barely plausible - as the ear is _stupidly_ sensitive | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: yes, you actually hear a "plong" when you flash to a reflective surface thin steel or sth that also makes good sound when you gently knock it | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally called "bahlsen cookie can lid" | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | But 3*10^-7kgms, with a diaphram weighing a gram will move 3*10^-4m/s or so. | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | t | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is likely to be quite audible. | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | In a quiet room. | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it's not loud | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | However - thermal deformation of the surface may well be orders of magnitude higher. | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | And flashes are hot | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | but easily audible in a quiet room | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd want to rule out the bimetalic effect first. | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It wouldn't happen on painted surfaces, as the paint has a low youngs modulus. | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | high | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Meanwhile, in England. | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-15842559 | 22:03 |
| lardman | lol | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who doesn't have bolt cutters handy? | 22:07 |
| * SpeedEvil looks around. | 22:08 | |
| SpeedEvil | In sight, I have a hacksaw, an angle grinder, a SDS drill with a chisel-bit which'd do in a pinch. | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd have to turn around to see my boltcutters. | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - and I could in principle use the welder to cut it off too. | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | But that would be a bad plan. | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - it's thin enough that bending it back and forth would work. | 22:09 |
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| Jyrg1 | !list | 22:26 |
| Jyrg1 | !list | 22:26 |
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| * SpeedEvil lists. | 22:27 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~list | 22:28 |
| infobot | one warez list being sent | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | 0.o | 22:32 |
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| * V13 gone insane | 22:53 | |
| V13 | I have two ssh to n900. One python widget in one directory. If I run the widget from the first SSH it runs. If I run it from the second, it doesn't | 22:54 |
| Sicelo | ~list | 22:54 |
| infobot | one warez list being sent | 22:54 |
| V13 | A third one also fails (core dump) | 22:54 |
| V13 | and it gets better: | 22:55 |
| V13 | I have a copy of that dir on another directory | 22:55 |
| V13 | both of the windows run the widget fine | 22:55 |
| V13 | by fail I mean segmentation fault, before doing anything. | 22:56 |
| V13 | any ideas ? | 22:56 |
| V13 | you can try it yourselves if you like... | 22:56 |
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| aholler | V13: set | diff set-other | 23:09 |
| V13 | none | 23:09 |
| V13 | except from very trivial things.. | 23:09 |
| V13 | (SSH_CLIENT, ets) | 23:09 |
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| aholler | except in conjunction with etc. isn't an useful answer. it's the kind of answers support stops to support ;) | 23:11 |
| V13 | and now it started working... | 23:11 |
| V13 | aholler... really... it's trivial. just PAGER, PPID, OLDPWD and SSH_* | 23:11 |
| aholler | than I would assume that widget produces random errors | 23:13 |
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| V13 | that's my thought also | 23:13 |
| V13 | the bad thing is that it's core dump from a python prog | 23:13 |
| aholler | python is like gtk, both requiring runtime-error-search-capabilities ;) | 23:15 |
| V13 | eh? | 23:16 |
| aholler | python isn't statically-typed and gtk removes that through casting everything | 23:18 |
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| aholler | so devs don't get much errors at compile-time. | 23:24 |
| aholler | the result is that many programing errors only get visible at runtime, in contrast to c(without casts)/c++ or java. thats at least my experience. | 23:25 |
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| V13 | aholler: this is not related to coredumps.. | 23:25 |
| V13 | right ? | 23:25 |
| aholler | why not? | 23:25 |
| V13 | how ? | 23:25 |
| aholler | give some python code something it doesn't expect and everything can happen. | 23:26 |
| V13 | diagree | 23:26 |
| V13 | disagree | 23:26 |
| V13 | it will fail with exceptions. not with core dump | 23:26 |
| aholler | depends. | 23:26 |
| aholler | I think stack overflow (e.g. through recursion), oom or similiar aren't catched by the python-runtime. | 23:27 |
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| aholler | but that discussion doesn't help you. sorry, I just had some spare time to flame. ;) | 23:30 |
| V13 | :P | 23:30 |
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| ruskie | lol got a mail from whatever nokia newsleter I've signed up to in the past that the N9 is available for purchase... rofl | 23:54 |
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