IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-10-14

DocScrutinizeranybody got a clue about X-Maemo-Prestarted in .desktop?00:00
DocScrutinizerX-Maemo-Prestarted=always works here, but restarts app as soon as you close it. X-Maemo-Prestarted=true - as suggested in - doesn't seem to have *any* effect00:01
FIQ|n900wild guess: if it should print the program output for next start00:01
infobotFIQ|n900 meant: wild guess: if it should print the program screen for next start00:02
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DocScrutinizernope, it's about starting that program on next boot00:02
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DocScrutinizerI'd just like to know if there's any parameter for that key to make it start the app only once, instead of restarting it when it closes, like "always" does00:05
javispedroprobably not00:06
javispedroeither way, h-d source is definite source here00:06
DocScrutinizeryup, just hoped sb has a link to the right file, so I could look it up00:07
DocScrutinizer(no h-d source local here)00:07
DocScrutinizerlemme try gogle :-P00:08
DocScrutinizergoogle even00:08
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DocScrutinizerso, X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage ???00:18
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DocScrutinizerlooks pretty much like a "bug"00:20
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DocScrutinizeralso looks like the function starting at should return 1 aka "better than 'NONE' but less than 'ALWAYS'" for all (even invalid) values for X-Maemo-Prestarted= except X-Maemo-Prestarted=none and X-Maemo-Prestarted=always00:36
DocScrutinizeractually nope, not even #define HD_APP_PRESTART_NONE_STRING     "none"  gets tested for, so X-Maemo-Prestarted=none should also return res from HdLauncherAppPrestartMode res = HD_APP_PRESTART_USAGE;  in
DocScrutinizeram I completely losing my c-fu ?00:39
DocScrutinizeror is this completely odd?00:39
javispedroprobably trye00:40
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DocScrutinizerwhat is true?00:43
DocScrutinizerthat I'm getting senile, or what I concluded, or maybe the parameter for that key?00:44
DocScrutinizerfriggin gitorious doesn't even offer grep00:44
javispedrothat setting it to none would inadvertently turn it on00:44
javispedroyou also have ;P00:45
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jieroAMD Ports Open-Source Linux Driver To Windows Embedded LOL00:47
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jierolatest news...00:48
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DocScrutinizerwow hahaha
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DocScrutinizer /* First check if we are really low on memory. */  /* If there are prestarted apps, kill one of them. */01:13
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DocScrutinizerit's actually amazing that it works at all01:17
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DocScrutinizerwhere's mhd source? javispedro, MohammadAG?01:23
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DocScrutinizeror a more specific question: did somebody already try to fix this mess?01:24
javispedrothe mess is because prestarting is not exactly the same as autostarting, from the h-d designer' eyes01:24
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DocScrutinizeryeah, gathered as much01:24
DocScrutinizerif only from the line * TODO: Add some way to avoid waking-up apps from being shown immediately o the user as if launched anew.01:26
SpeedEvil - I sense a theme.01:28
DocScrutinizeranyway "fixing" this seems wrt X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage seems "easy enough", just don't add the app to the list of prestarted apps that aiui is the list that h-d periodically checks and probably also makes apps restart if user quits them01:28
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DocScrutinizerobviously they planned sth like that, but realized they don't need it for the main goal of preloading apps01:30
DocScrutinizerso all the bugs and left_outs about X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage  went unnoticed, as it never got used or tested01:31
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DocScrutinizer(just don't add) nah, sorry, aiui the list is built and then later on processed. So add those usage apps to the list with a proper flag that they are "usage" not "always", and remove each app from list as soon as it got started if that particular app is a usage app01:59
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DocScrutinizerapps are added to list here:
DocScrutinizerthen  hd_app_mgr_state_check (); calls (cyclic) processing of that list - is starting apps in that list and should remove apps that are not "always" from the list after starting02:06
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DocScrutinizerooops, not really. The whole thing works via org_freedesktop_DBus_start_service_by_name_async() and "%s: Can't prestart an app without service.\n"02:15
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DocScrutinizerprobably it's hopeless to clean this up, way easier to implement a simple autostart dir executed by a script that gets started form xsession02:16
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* RST38h wakes up, kills a hampster.02:29
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sulphurhi there03:33
sulphuranybody willing to help me with some issues?03:33
jogasulphur, best to just ask away so idlers can see what it's about03:39
sulphurwell it is concerning msf4 postgres db_driver03:39
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jogaso what's the problem with it?03:40
sulphuri cannot install the ruby-postgres gem because of dependencies03:40
jogacan you elaborate a bit03:41
sulphurthe same is for libpq-dev. my situation here is that when i even try to install any of the missing dependencies i still get errors03:41
jogawhat's the error?03:42
sulphurok give a sec :)03:43
jogawhere are you installing it anyway? ;)03:43
sulphuri am trying to install it via apt-get install03:44
sulphurlets say now im trying to install libpq-dev03:44
sulphurthe dependency here is missing libssl-dev03:44
jogaguess it's not in the repos?03:45
jogaI assume you're using maemo on n900, maybe easydebian might help?03:45
jogaI don't know about that package specifically, but when I've wanted something that's not packaged for maemo, I've used easydebian03:46
sulphurso u would reccomend easydebian03:47
sulphurfor installing packages trough it right?03:47
jogawell, and running them03:47
jogapersonally I've mostly used it to run some apps, maybe a desktop, and compile simple stuff03:48
jogaI'm not recommending anything, just saying :) I'm not sure what your goal is03:48
sulphurwell my goal is to run03:49
sulphurthe postgres gem03:49
sulphurand install the libpq-dev packages to start the postgresql database in msf403:49
jogaand what else? on n900?03:49
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RST38hMeanwhile: Mitt Romney reveals he tried to hire Steve Ballmer03:51
* RST38h wonders what for03:51
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luke-jr_RST38h: sarcasm? it's so obvious :P04:00
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RST38hluke: ?04:17
RST38hritual chair-throw executions of political opponents? =)04:18
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TiagoTiagodoes the speed or battery patch automaticly loades an overclocking profile?05:10
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TiagoTiagonv, found the answer (yes it does)05:17
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yigalis there any active work modify Modest or creating a better email client?  One for instance that one doesn't have to hit a few buttons before getting to the inbox?06:17
yigalI understand that the idea is to come to these applications in a general way but really one would hope to be ushered to, hopefully, the email message, not just the inbox when touching it on the email applet06:18
yigalso basically ui issues I'm wondering if anyone is working on it06:18
yigalall work and no play makes yigal a dull boy06:20
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yigalok really well that's sad06:23
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wmaroneit's also a real bad time for pretty much the rest of the world06:28
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arnethey people.10:16
arnetI am using modest on my GNU/Linux pc via ssh X forwarding10:17
arnetso I have mail application on my computer screen10:17
arnetand can use my computer keybpard in order to write letters.10:17
arnetThe problem is, when I type in modest, it does not capture <enter> key.10:17
arnetI wonder why?10:17
arnetMay be because my laptop's keyboard's <enter> keycode and n900's <enter> keycode are different?10:18
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Sicelotry Ctrl+M10:19
arnettried :)10:19
Sicelo:/ but that's for terminal usually10:19
arnetyep, didn't help :)10:19
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Sicelokeycodes should be similar, afaik10:21
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arnetTried leafpad10:25
arnetthe same issue.10:25
arnetMay be something with gtk10:25
amiconnSomething differs between the n900 keyboard and a standard one; in the similar case of hooking up an external keyboard to the n900 (usb host or bluetooth) you need extkbd to make it work properly10:26
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arnethmmm, I guess I did manage to use it with bluetooth keyboard without exkbd before.10:27
arnetI just needed some other xkb maps, copied them from my laptop to n900, and was turning them on with setxkbmap10:28
arnetI guess that's what extkbd does...10:28
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DocScrutinizerarnet: get cssu, or see11:56
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is
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arnetbesides, in maemo forums I've got a reply, that enter on the nokia has the same keycode as the numerical keyboard's enter13:12
arnetso I've tried with external keyboard, and that enter works13:12
Sicelo09:21 < Sicelo> keycodes should be similar, afaik. | the issue seems related to ssh. did u visit the link?13:14
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DocScrutinizerarnet: you've seen my last 2 posts?13:15
DocScrutinizerget cssu or read about it at jrtools13:16
infobotrumour has it, cssu is
infobotwell, jrtools is
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DocScrutinizerarnet: yes, it's an age old flaw with hw-kbd on maemo devices CR is mapped to NK-enter13:17
arnetDocScrutinizer: ok, thanks :)13:19
arnetDocScrutinizer: I guess you repeated the links. I've missed them.13:20
arnetSicelo: yes, I missed the link, using webchat right now, because of the closed ports.13:20
arnetand have no history13:21
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arnetah, sure13:21
NIN101wow titan is back haha :-).13:29
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kakashi_firefox is completely out of the n900?13:44
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kakashi_I dont see an updated version13:44
kakashi_all they do is for android13:44
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jieroFirefox for both just rubbish.13:53
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Juozapasi changed something on my google public profile and now i can't see online/offline contacts on my address book14:07
Juozapasany ideas?14:07
Juozapasi tried to disable/enable my gtalk acc on phone14:07
Juozapasand i even deleted it and added it again14:08
Juozapasnothing helped14:08
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amiconnkakashi_: Current Firefox is available for n900 (7.0)14:44
amiconnI wouldn't recommend it for anything though. It's several times slower than MicroB14:45
amiconnOh, and you need to download the .deb manually since mozilla didn't manage to fix their repo. It's been broken for several months now14:45
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Logisticanyone about using get_iplayer ?15:14
Logistichave  installed it with ffmpeg. and am trying to get a radio show15:15
Logisticis only availabe in aac or wma15:15
Logisticflash aac im getting unkown format error from ffdshow. and then get_iplayer leaves it as an flv that  wont play in anything15:16
Logisticalso installed extra codec pack15:16
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kakashi_I have this directions in google maps, how do I get it to ovi maps?17:55
kakashi_is there a simple way to do that?17:55
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FIQ|n900there is an option in the mail UI18:29
FIQ|n900a checkbox18:30
FIQ|n900what does that do? :P18:30
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merlin1991FIQ: afaik that's related to offline imap19:11
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HyperSnypercan anyone help me get libmp3lame installed, have tried apt-get / libmp3lame / libmp3lame-dev / libmp3lame019:16
HyperSnyperall those say no package19:17
HyperSnypertrying to reencode aac flv to mp3 with ffmpeg19:18
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hanningi just went through the wiki-article about reflashing19:34
hanningflashed eMMC, and rootfs afterwards19:35
hanningbut flashing the rootfs just took a few seconds19:35
hanningalthough flasher didn't report any errors19:35
hanningam i save to reboot the device now?19:36
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DocScrutinizerwell, worst thing that could happen is you find flashing wasn't successful and you need to redo it20:00
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DocScrutinizerbut actually that doesn't look like a completed flash of COMBINED20:02
hanningremoved the battery, and tried again20:02
hanningflashed successful :)20:02
hanningcurrently installing community_ssu :D20:02
HyperSnyperDocScrutinizer any advice for getting libmp3lame installed20:03
HyperSnyperfor use with ffmpeg20:03
DocScrutinizeryou could do mankind a favour and paste your protocol of a complete successful flash to a wikipage at, then link to that page from20:03
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is
DocScrutinizerHyperSnyper: apt-get install?20:04
HyperSnyperhave tried all names i could find through google but all said pack missing20:04
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HyperSnyperlibmp3lame / libmp3lame-dev / libmp3lame020:04
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search libmp3lame20:04
DocScrutinizerlibmp3lame-dev - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder20:04
DocScrutinizerlibmp3lame0 - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder20:04
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache policy libmp3lame020:05
DocScrutinizer  Installed: (none)20:05
DocScrutinizer  Candidate: 3.98-0.0maemo120:05
DocScrutinizer        500 fremantle-1.3/free Packages20:05
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DocScrutinizerHyperSnyper: ooh and of course:[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=mp3lame&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same20:08
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infobotmethinks maemopkg is
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HyperSnyperthings theirs something up with my repo's20:17
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DocScrutinizeroh well, it's weekend. maemo repo downtime20:30
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: use one of the mirrors out there ;)21:13
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smharis there a hope that Group SMS be integrated with stock Contacts and SMS?21:17
merlin1991smhar: what do you mean?21:17
smharGroup SMS is a separate application that requires user to create groups and add contacts to them and then the user will be able to send an sms to the whole group21:19
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: eh?21:26
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: well it sounded as if you wanted to get something from the maemo repo21:27
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DocScrutinizer[2011-10-14 19:17:41] <HyperSnyper> things theirs something up with my repo's21:32
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Vanadis__oh hai21:33
Vanadis__anything new about reflashing the n9?21:33
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DocScrutinizersee #harmattan , but no21:46
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sar3thhey guys, got a very sad error with my N90022:03
sar3tha strange icon appeard and i get a is if you see for yourself: and
SpeedEvil'sim error'22:04
sar3threbooting ofc fixes nothing :( i just flashed the device entirely, but the error persists22:04
sar3thSpeedEvil: i removed my sim and the error's still there22:04
SpeedEvilTry removing and cleaning the SIM22:04
SpeedEvilAre you in the EU?22:05
SpeedEvilI'd suggest warranty service. Then either try to get n900 replacement, or sell replacement, and buy.22:05
sar3thalright, i thought so, just wanted to make sure it's not a software prob :) thanks22:05
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jacekowskisar3th: what does it say when flashing22:11
jacekowskisar3th: is cmt flashed correctly?22:11
sar3thjacekowski: yeah, i did not get any error messages from flasher, it seemed to work normally22:12
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SpeedEvilHas the device possibly gotten damp?22:17
sar3thdon't think so, always kept it safe22:18
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sar3ththe device does not report an IMEI anymore22:35
* Sicelo wonders if that's not a case of bad s/w. i would reflash with a good image22:38
Sicelomine didn't report imei until i reflashed. (it was on pr1.1)22:39
sar3ththat's what i just did :C22:39
depressedAre there any web based scripting languages that are packaged with maemo?22:42
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depressedphp, python etc23:00
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Siceloboth exist for maemo. check in HAM23:01
sar3threflashed again, same problem, this time saved the log:
sar3thwill send to nokia on monday23:02
Sicelotry flashing from a linux machine too. or livecd (eg ubuntu, knoppix)23:03
sar3thwill do, got grml somewhere23:04
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depressedSicelo: they are installable, but not packaged with maemo23:20
Siceloah, i thought u meant available. sorry man :)23:20
hanningis ovi maps broken or something?23:23
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hanningdoesn't find the map application on the device23:23
depressedIt's ok bro. I'm trying to develop a cloud to device messaging platform. I've got a lot working with PHP but PHP is PHP23:23
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themist912241anybody want to buy a used samsung galaxy phone off me for 100 dollers23:54
themist912241maybe even less23:54
mgedminI think I'll wait until the N9 becomes outdated before jumping ship to Android23:55
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