| DocScrutinizer | anyway | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody got a clue about X-Maemo-Prestarted in .desktop? | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Maemo-Prestarted=always works here, but restarts app as soon as you close it. X-Maemo-Prestarted=true - as suggested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format - doesn't seem to have *any* effect | 00:01 |
| FIQ|n900 | wild guess: if it should print the program output for next start | 00:01 |
| FIQ|n900 | s/output/screen/ | 00:02 |
| infobot | FIQ|n900 meant: wild guess: if it should print the program screen for next start | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, it's about starting that program on next boot | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=957502#post957502 | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd just like to know if there's any parameter for that key to make it start the app only once, instead of restarting it when it closes, like "always" does | 00:05 |
| javispedro | probably not | 00:06 |
| javispedro | either way, h-d source is definite source here | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, just hoped sb has a link to the right file, so I could look it up | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | (no h-d source local here) | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme try gogle :-P | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | google even | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line113 | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WUT??! http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.h#line69 | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage ??? | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looks pretty much like a "bug" | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also looks like the function starting at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line105 should return 1 aka "better than 'NONE' but less than 'ALWAYS'" for all (even invalid) values for X-Maemo-Prestarted= except X-Maemo-Prestarted=none and X-Maemo-Prestarted=always | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually nope, not even #define HD_APP_PRESTART_NONE_STRING "none" gets tested for, so X-Maemo-Prestarted=none should also return res from HdLauncherAppPrestartMode res = HD_APP_PRESTART_USAGE; in http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line108 | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | am I completely losing my c-fu ? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is this completely odd? | 00:39 |
| javispedro | probably trye | 00:40 |
| javispedro | *true | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what is true? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | that I'm getting senile, or what I concluded, or maybe the parameter for that key? | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin gitorious doesn't even offer grep | 00:44 |
| javispedro | that setting it to none would inadvertently turn it on | 00:44 |
| javispedro | you also have mxr.maemo.org ;P | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 00:45 |
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| jiero | AMD Ports Open-Source Linux Driver To Windows Embedded LOL | 00:47 |
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| jiero | latest news... | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MEH http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1170 | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 1189 | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow hahaha http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1606 | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /* First check if we are really low on memory. */ /* If there are prestarted apps, kill one of them. */ | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's actually amazing that it works at all | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where's mhd source? javispedro, MohammadAG? | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or a more specific question: did somebody already try to fix this mess? | 01:24 |
| javispedro | the mess is because prestarting is not exactly the same as autostarting, from the h-d designer' eyes | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, gathered as much | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | if only from the line * TODO: Add some way to avoid waking-up apps from being shown immediately o the user as if launched anew. | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/new-arrivals - I sense a theme. | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway "fixing" this seems wrt X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage seems "easy enough", just don't add the app to the list of prestarted apps that aiui is the list that h-d periodically checks and probably also makes apps restart if user quits them | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously they planned sth like that, but realized they don't need it for the main goal of preloading apps | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so all the bugs and left_outs about X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage went unnoticed, as it never got used or tested | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (just don't add) nah, sorry, aiui the list is built and then later on processed. So add those usage apps to the list with a proper flag that they are "usage" not "always", and remove each app from list as soon as it got started if that particular app is a usage app | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apps are added to list here: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1107 | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | then hd_app_mgr_state_check (); calls (cyclic) processing of that list - http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1663 is starting apps in that list and should remove apps that are not "always" from the list after starting | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooops, not really. The whole thing works via org_freedesktop_DBus_start_service_by_name_async() and "%s: Can't prestart an app without service.\n" | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably it's hopeless to clean this up, way easier to implement a simple autostart dir executed by a script that gets started form xsession | 02:16 |
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| sulphur | hi there | 03:33 |
| sulphur | anybody willing to help me with some issues? | 03:33 |
| joga | sulphur, best to just ask away so idlers can see what it's about | 03:39 |
| sulphur | well it is concerning msf4 postgres db_driver | 03:39 |
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| joga | so what's the problem with it? | 03:40 |
| sulphur | i cannot install the ruby-postgres gem because of dependencies | 03:40 |
| joga | can you elaborate a bit | 03:41 |
| sulphur | the same is for libpq-dev. my situation here is that when i even try to install any of the missing dependencies i still get errors | 03:41 |
| joga | what's the error? | 03:42 |
| sulphur | ok give a sec :) | 03:43 |
| joga | where are you installing it anyway? ;) | 03:43 |
| sulphur | i am trying to install it via apt-get install | 03:44 |
| sulphur | lets say now im trying to install libpq-dev | 03:44 |
| sulphur | the dependency here is missing libssl-dev | 03:44 |
| joga | guess it's not in the repos? | 03:45 |
| joga | I assume you're using maemo on n900, maybe easydebian might help? | 03:45 |
| joga | I don't know about that package specifically, but when I've wanted something that's not packaged for maemo, I've used easydebian | 03:46 |
| sulphur | so u would reccomend easydebian | 03:47 |
| sulphur | for installing packages trough it right? | 03:47 |
| joga | well, and running them | 03:47 |
| joga | personally I've mostly used it to run some apps, maybe a desktop, and compile simple stuff | 03:48 |
| joga | I'm not recommending anything, just saying :) I'm not sure what your goal is | 03:48 |
| sulphur | well my goal is to run | 03:49 |
| sulphur | the postgres gem | 03:49 |
| sulphur | and install the libpq-dev packages to start the postgresql database in msf4 | 03:49 |
| sulphur | :) | 03:49 |
| joga | and what else? on n900? | 03:49 |
| sulphur | yeah | 03:49 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Mitt Romney reveals he tried to hire Steve Ballmer | 03:51 |
| * RST38h wonders what for | 03:51 | |
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| luke-jr_ | RST38h: sarcasm? it's so obvious :P | 04:00 |
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| RST38h | luke: ? | 04:17 |
| RST38h | ritual chair-throw executions of political opponents? =) | 04:18 |
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| TiagoTiago | does the speed or battery patch automaticly loades an overclocking profile? | 05:10 |
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| TiagoTiago | nv, found the answer (yes it does) | 05:17 |
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| TiagoTiago | nvm* | 05:17 |
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| yigal | is there any active work modify Modest or creating a better email client? One for instance that one doesn't have to hit a few buttons before getting to the inbox? | 06:17 |
| yigal | I understand that the idea is to come to these applications in a general way but really one would hope to be ushered to, hopefully, the email message, not just the inbox when touching it on the email applet | 06:18 |
| yigal | so basically ui issues I'm wondering if anyone is working on it | 06:18 |
| yigal | all work and no play makes yigal a dull boy | 06:20 |
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| yigal | ok really well that's sad | 06:23 |
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| wmarone | heh | 06:28 |
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| wmarone | it's also a real bad time for pretty much the rest of the world | 06:28 |
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| arnet | hey people. | 10:16 |
| arnet | I am using modest on my GNU/Linux pc via ssh X forwarding | 10:17 |
| arnet | so I have mail application on my computer screen | 10:17 |
| arnet | and can use my computer keybpard in order to write letters. | 10:17 |
| arnet | The problem is, when I type in modest, it does not capture <enter> key. | 10:17 |
| arnet | I wonder why? | 10:17 |
| arnet | May be because my laptop's keyboard's <enter> keycode and n900's <enter> keycode are different? | 10:18 |
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| Sicelo | try Ctrl+M | 10:19 |
| arnet | tried :) | 10:19 |
| Sicelo | :/ but that's for terminal usually | 10:19 |
| arnet | yep, didn't help :) | 10:19 |
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| Sicelo | keycodes should be similar, afaik | 10:21 |
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| arnet | Tried leafpad | 10:25 |
| arnet | the same issue. | 10:25 |
| arnet | May be something with gtk | 10:25 |
| amiconn | Something differs between the n900 keyboard and a standard one; in the similar case of hooking up an external keyboard to the n900 (usb host or bluetooth) you need extkbd to make it work properly | 10:26 |
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| arnet | hmmm, I guess I did manage to use it with bluetooth keyboard without exkbd before. | 10:27 |
| arnet | I just needed some other xkb maps, copied them from my laptop to n900, and was turning them on with setxkbmap | 10:28 |
| arnet | I guess that's what extkbd does... | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | arnet: get cssu, or see | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 11:56 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 11:56 |
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| arnet | besides, in maemo forums I've got a reply, that enter on the nokia has the same keycode as the numerical keyboard's enter | 13:12 |
| arnet | so I've tried with external keyboard, and that enter works | 13:12 |
| arnet | indeed | 13:12 |
| Sicelo | 09:21 < Sicelo> keycodes should be similar, afaik. | the issue seems related to ssh. did u visit the link? | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | arnet: you've seen my last 2 posts? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | get cssu or read about it at jrtools | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cssu | 13:16 |
| infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 13:16 |
| infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | arnet: yes, it's an age old flaw with hw-kbd on maemo devices CR is mapped to NK-enter | 13:17 |
| arnet | DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks :) | 13:19 |
| arnet | DocScrutinizer: I guess you repeated the links. I've missed them. | 13:20 |
| arnet | Sicelo: yes, I missed the link, using webchat right now, because of the closed ports. | 13:20 |
| arnet | and have no history | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 13:21 |
| arnet | ah, sure | 13:21 |
| NIN101 | wow titan is back http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1108606#post1108606 haha :-). | 13:29 |
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| kakashi_ | firefox is completely out of the n900? | 13:44 |
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| kakashi_ | I dont see an updated version | 13:44 |
| kakashi_ | all they do is for android | 13:44 |
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| jiero | Firefox for both just rubbish. | 13:53 |
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| Juozapas | hi | 14:06 |
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| Juozapas | i changed something on my google public profile and now i can't see online/offline contacts on my address book | 14:07 |
| Juozapas | any ideas? | 14:07 |
| Juozapas | i tried to disable/enable my gtalk acc on phone | 14:07 |
| Juozapas | and i even deleted it and added it again | 14:08 |
| Juozapas | nothing helped | 14:08 |
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| amiconn | kakashi_: Current Firefox is available for n900 (7.0) | 14:44 |
| amiconn | I wouldn't recommend it for anything though. It's several times slower than MicroB | 14:45 |
| amiconn | Oh, and you need to download the .deb manually since mozilla didn't manage to fix their repo. It's been broken for several months now | 14:45 |
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| Logistic | anyone about using get_iplayer ? | 15:14 |
| Logistic | have installed it with ffmpeg. and am trying to get a radio show | 15:15 |
| Logistic | is only availabe in aac or wma | 15:15 |
| Logistic | flash aac im getting unkown format error from ffdshow. and then get_iplayer leaves it as an flv that wont play in anything | 15:16 |
| Logistic | also installed extra codec pack | 15:16 |
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| kakashi_ | I have this directions in google maps, how do I get it to ovi maps? | 17:55 |
| kakashi_ | is there a simple way to do that? | 17:55 |
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| FIQ|n900 | um | 18:29 |
| FIQ|n900 | there is an option in the mail UI | 18:29 |
| FIQ|n900 | "mcenfiadvsetupofflinesync" | 18:30 |
| FIQ|n900 | a checkbox | 18:30 |
| FIQ|n900 | what does that do? :P | 18:30 |
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| merlin1991 | FIQ: afaik that's related to offline imap | 19:11 |
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| HyperSnyper | can anyone help me get libmp3lame installed, have tried apt-get / libmp3lame / libmp3lame-dev / libmp3lame0 | 19:16 |
| HyperSnyper | all those say no package | 19:17 |
| HyperSnyper | trying to reencode aac flv to mp3 with ffmpeg | 19:18 |
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| hanning | hey | 19:34 |
| hanning | i just went through the wiki-article about reflashing | 19:34 |
| hanning | flashed eMMC, and rootfs afterwards | 19:35 |
| hanning | but flashing the rootfs just took a few seconds | 19:35 |
| hanning | although flasher didn't report any errors | 19:35 |
| hanning | http://pastebin.com/5i23sMwf | 19:36 |
| hanning | am i save to reboot the device now? | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, worst thing that could happen is you find flashing wasn't successful and you need to redo it | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but actually that doesn't look like a completed flash of COMBINED | 20:02 |
| hanning | yup | 20:02 |
| hanning | removed the battery, and tried again | 20:02 |
| hanning | flashed successful :) | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 20:02 |
| hanning | currently installing community_ssu :D | 20:02 |
| HyperSnyper | DocScrutinizer any advice for getting libmp3lame installed | 20:03 |
| HyperSnyper | for use with ffmpeg | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could do mankind a favour and paste your protocol of a complete successful flash to a wikipage at wiki.maemo.org, then link to that page from | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 20:03 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: apt-get install? | 20:04 |
| HyperSnyper | have tried all names i could find through google but all said pack missing | 20:04 |
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| HyperSnyper | libmp3lame / libmp3lame-dev / libmp3lame0 | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search libmp3lame | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | libmp3lame-dev - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | libmp3lame0 - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder | 20:04 |
| HyperSnyper | hmmm | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy libmp3lame0 | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | libmp3lame0: | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Installed: (none) | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Candidate: 3.98-0.0maemo1 | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: ooh and of course: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=mp3lame&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aka | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemopkg | 20:10 |
| infobot | methinks maemopkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 20:10 |
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| HyperSnyper | things theirs something up with my repo's | 20:17 |
| HyperSnyper | ;P | 20:17 |
| HyperSnyper | *think | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh well, it's weekend. maemo repo downtime | 20:30 |
| ruskie | heh | 20:30 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: use one of the mirrors out there ;) | 21:13 |
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| smhar | is there a hope that Group SMS be integrated with stock Contacts and SMS? | 21:17 |
| merlin1991 | smhar: what do you mean? | 21:17 |
| smhar | Group SMS is a separate application that requires user to create groups and add contacts to them and then the user will be able to send an sms to the whole group | 21:19 |
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| smhar | merlin1991, http://maemo.org/packages/view/groupsms/ | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: eh? | 21:26 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: well it sounded as if you wanted to get something from the maemo repo | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-14 19:17:41] <HyperSnyper> things theirs something up with my repo's | 21:32 |
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| Vanadis__ | oh hai | 21:33 |
| Vanadis__ | anything new about reflashing the n9? | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see #harmattan , but no | 21:46 |
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| sar3th | hey guys, got a very sad error with my N900 | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 22:04 |
| sar3th | a strange icon appeard and i get a message...best is if you see for yourself: http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/4725/screenshot2011101420551.png and http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2219/screenshot2011101421030.png | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | 'sim error' | 22:04 |
| sar3th | rebooting ofc fixes nothing :( i just flashed the device entirely, but the error persists | 22:04 |
| sar3th | SpeedEvil: i removed my sim and the error's still there | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Try removing and cleaning the SIM | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you in the EU? | 22:05 |
| sar3th | yes | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd suggest warranty service. Then either try to get n900 replacement, or sell replacement, and buy. | 22:05 |
| sar3th | alright, i thought so, just wanted to make sure it's not a software prob :) thanks | 22:05 |
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| jacekowski | sar3th: what does it say when flashing | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | sar3th: is cmt flashed correctly? | 22:11 |
| sar3th | jacekowski: yeah, i did not get any error messages from flasher, it seemed to work normally | 22:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Has the device possibly gotten damp? | 22:17 |
| sar3th | don't think so, always kept it safe | 22:18 |
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| sar3th | the device does not report an IMEI anymore | 22:35 |
| * Sicelo wonders if that's not a case of bad s/w. i would reflash with a good image | 22:38 | |
| Sicelo | mine didn't report imei until i reflashed. (it was on pr1.1) | 22:39 |
| sar3th | that's what i just did :C | 22:39 |
| depressed | Are there any web based scripting languages that are packaged with maemo? | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | what? | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | javascript | 22:43 |
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| depressed | php, python etc | 23:00 |
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| Sicelo | both exist for maemo. check in HAM | 23:01 |
| sar3th | reflashed again, same problem, this time saved the log: http://pastebin.com/9jS1dd2V | 23:01 |
| sar3th | will send to nokia on monday | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | try flashing from a linux machine too. or livecd (eg ubuntu, knoppix) | 23:03 |
| sar3th | will do, got grml somewhere | 23:04 |
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| depressed | Sicelo: they are installable, but not packaged with maemo | 23:20 |
| Sicelo | ah, i thought u meant available. sorry man :) | 23:20 |
| hanning | is ovi maps broken or something? | 23:23 |
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| hanning | doesn't find the map application on the device | 23:23 |
| depressed | It's ok bro. I'm trying to develop a cloud to device messaging platform. I've got a lot working with PHP but PHP is PHP | 23:23 |
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| themist912241 | anybody want to buy a used samsung galaxy phone off me for 100 dollers | 23:54 |
| themist912241 | maybe even less | 23:54 |
| mgedmin | I think I'll wait until the N9 becomes outdated before jumping ship to Android | 23:55 |
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