| DrWilken | When You're accessing the website You have a / in the end of the URL, right? | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:00 |
| DrWilken | ok | 00:00 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, was there some packages to add some codecs to gstreamer which could be used by the jabber video calls? | 00:23 |
| yacc | Wondering => does maemo support compcache? | 00:25 |
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| Jartza | oh | 00:36 |
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| Jartza | btw. is there any fixes for the long-press-context-menu thingie? | 00:37 |
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| Jartza | 3rd party fix is also fine | 00:37 |
| Jartza | still work erratically in n900, almost the only thing that still bothers me | 00:38 |
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| BCMM | still kinda feels like magic that scratchbox executes ARM ELFs from a "normal" shell | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, updated my tools page | 00:39 |
| Jartza | menu appears under your finger, so it's impossible to see it & raising your finger closes the menu | 00:39 |
| Jartza | :( | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | if somebody might bother to test the repo install | 00:39 |
| johnx | BCMM, qemu 'user mode' is awesome (when it works), isn't it? | 00:39 |
| BCMM | johnx: yeah! | 00:40 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: when doesn't it work? | 00:40 |
| johnx | luke-jr, when your binary wants to call some syscall that isn't implemented | 00:40 |
| BCMM | yeah, as it happens i'm trying to play with the accelerometer, so i see my error message first thing | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | many thanks to DrWilken | 00:40 |
| BCMM | but still | 00:40 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: which is all of them afaik, up to some 2.6 ver | 00:41 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: where is your tools page? | 00:41 |
| BCMM | btw, i am right in saying that scratchbox still doesn't work with ARM binaries that want to use the X server? | 00:41 |
| johnx | luke-jr, uhm, then why did you ask "when doesn't it work?" ? | 00:41 |
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| Jartza | no fix? :( | 00:42 |
| johnx | Jartza, not that I know of? do you have 'vibrate on tap' on so you can at least tell if the 'click' was registered? | 00:43 |
| Jartza | nope | 00:43 |
| Jartza | I hate the vibrate on tap :) | 00:43 |
| johnx | this would explain why the menu thing bothers you more than me ;) | 00:43 |
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| Jartza | I was positively surprised that those menus work better in symbian^3 | 00:44 |
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| johnx | they work just fine for me like 95+ % of the time ... | 00:44 |
| Jartza | I surely can see that the menu appears, yes. but mostly it appears under finger :P | 00:44 |
| Jartza | and it could stay open until dismissed like a dialog | 00:45 |
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| johnx | aaaah, the context menu | 00:45 |
| johnx | not the app menu | 00:45 |
| johnx | got it | 00:45 |
| Jartza | yes | 00:45 |
| johnx | yeah, those are a PITA | 00:45 |
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| Jartza | "right click" | 00:45 |
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| johnx | it's worst when the system is under load too | 00:45 |
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| Jartza | I didn't even realise how pita they are until I got N8 :) | 00:46 |
| Jartza | even if I hate symbian, context menus work like charm on that :) | 00:46 |
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| johnx | that's like saying, "This car drives like crap, the seats are uncomfortable, but the power windows work great!" :P | 00:47 |
| Jartza | yeah :) | 00:47 |
| Jartza | but it has high mpg :) | 00:47 |
| Jartza | another positive thing was battery | 00:48 |
| johnx | because it has a slow engine :P | 00:48 |
| johnx | s/slow/weak/ | 00:48 |
| infobot | johnx meant: because it has a weak engine :P | 00:48 |
| * johnx can sit here and make car analogies all day :> | 00:48 | |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=837973#post837973 :) | 00:48 |
| Jartza | maybe so. it's still not as crap as I thought it would be :) | 00:48 |
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| Jartza | but I still prefer my n900 | 00:49 |
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| johnx | MohammadAG, that would be an awesome way to make splash screens. thanks | 00:49 |
| Jartza | hmm | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:50 |
| Jartza | maybe I have to bite into sources and look where those context-menus are | 00:50 |
| Jartza | and see if that can be fixed | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | johnx, I used to edit hermes to make those splash screens :) | 00:50 |
| johnx | actually, one of the most annoying things is when mail starts and I think it's usable since it lists my accounts, but it's actually not ready to accept clicks yet | 00:50 |
| Jartza | that I don't know as I have mail open all the time :) | 00:51 |
| johnx | terminal makes me even more crazy though :) | 00:51 |
| Jartza | why? :) | 00:51 |
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| johnx | it appears, shows a prompt, I type something quick, hit enter, it sits there, then accepts the last half of the command I typed and tries to run it, fails | 00:52 |
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| Jartza | :) | 00:53 |
| Jartza | type more slow | 00:53 |
| johnx | or: change my x terminal PVR screenshot so it says "Please wait, loading ..." over the center | 00:54 |
| Jartza | :) | 00:54 |
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| johnx | when the prompt is there, I should be able to start typing. that's the meaning of prompt :P | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | johnsq, I do the same in PSFreedom "Application loading, please wait..." | 00:55 |
| nox- | if you're swapping that much, maybe just type a space first and wait till that appears before you contine typing? | 00:55 |
| nox- | continue even | 00:56 |
| johnx | nox-, that's fair and usually I wait for the typed letters to appear before I hit enter | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | johnx, watch for the spinning indicator next to the name in the title bar | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | when it's done spinning, XTerm's loaded | 00:57 |
| johnx | but I'm a cranky unix guy who's been trained for years that "when the prompt is there, all is well" and I'm resistant to change my behavior on one of the many unix-like systems I use :) | 00:57 |
| johnx | <- just complaining, please ignore :) | 00:57 |
| johnx | I'll make myself a splash screen next time it annoys me :) | 00:57 |
| * MohammadAG likes complaints, as long as they're not @ him | 00:58 | |
| * nox- found the enter key bug more annoying, i even hacked terminfo/termcap before i found theres a ticket with a patched deb... | 00:58 | |
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| MohammadAG | school tomorrow, night peeps | 00:59 |
| johnx | 'night MohammadAG | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | night moh | 01:00 |
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| luke-jr_ | johnx: because it always works? | 02:30 |
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| viewer | is it possible to use the n900 sort of reverse tethering, so you could make calls through your computer when your phone is plugged in? | 04:39 |
| viewer | just wondering if anyones ever heard of that | 04:39 |
| viewer | for linuxMCE perhaps | 04:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | viewer: Is it possible, yes. | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | viewer: H?as anyone implemented it - no. | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | AFAIK | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | you can do SIP or ... calls using the data conneciton. | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you could even use an external USB attached 'soundcard' (or pulse to do network audio) to replace the built in mic and earpiece | 05:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or N900 pretends to be a soundcard | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably easier to handle that way round | 05:53 |
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| ravibn | Hi! I have Nokia 3110 C handset | 05:59 |
| ravibn | suddenly the display is showing lines and partly the screen is blurred | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, interesting | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe get a N900 instead :-) | 06:24 |
| jpinx | he must've dropped it ;) | 06:25 |
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| erani | hello. does anyone know about n900 phone, that how to get it so that the music album arts won't show up in the n900's gallery? there's one link to maemotalk, but somehow they haven't been working this morning | 09:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | talk.maemo.org is down, and I wouldn't know how to get album arts into gallery either.. I sort of know how to get it appear when you play via media player | 09:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | I think if anything the image maybe stored in the same directory as the file that contains album art under a hidden directory | 09:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | woohoo | 09:22 |
| timeless_mbp | all caught up w/ email | 09:22 |
| timeless_mbp | now all i have to do is read 10 or so very long documents w/ a fine-tooth comb | 09:22 |
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| mece | gaddammit again with the database errors?!?! | 09:23 |
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| ieatlint | ? | 09:26 |
| mece | ieatlint, tmo, fmc. | 09:26 |
| ieatlint | tmo works for me | 09:27 |
| ieatlint | same fmc | 09:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | fmc? | 09:28 |
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| ieatlint | forum.meego.com | 09:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | ahh ok, ta | 09:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | tmo was down a few minutes ago but meh | 09:50 |
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| * ieatlint was introduced to alloca() tonight | 09:56 | |
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| zeeg | hi dudes, I want to make my n900 box password protected (unlock), is there any settings? (or any package) | 10:10 |
| secyrita1 | umm, power key and lock device? | 10:11 |
| secyrita1 | it will ask security code after that | 10:11 |
| inTransit | it will ask for a code if a code is set in... | 10:13 |
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| inTransit | settings > device lock | 10:13 |
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| djszapi | Is there an opportunity to use the firmware flasher on x86_64 ? | 10:14 |
| djszapi | with no i686 chroot. | 10:14 |
| djszapi | so on the native x86_64 host. | 10:15 |
| psycho_oreos | I think it is but I can't guarantee the data will be written properly.. or it might | 10:15 |
| inTransit | workd for me after the ovi suite was installd | 10:15 |
| inTransit | had some driver issue before this | 10:16 |
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| zeeg | secyrita1, infobot, tnx dudes | 10:16 |
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| psycho_oreos | driver issues? | 10:16 |
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| inTransit | yeh, -w7x64 kept trying to install a driver... -and the flasher app would not pick up the device | 10:17 |
| djszapi | psycho_oreos: did you speak to me ? | 10:17 |
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| djszapi | there is no available x86_64 binary on the official website (linux host). | 10:18 |
| inTransit | ahh... dunno bout tux | 10:18 |
| psycho_oreos | djszapi, yes , in theory it might be supported but I can't guarantee that | 10:19 |
| psycho_oreos | inTransit, ahh thought so :) | 10:19 |
| djszapi | psycho_oreos: I guess it is not that good idea to flash it from inside the scratchbox. | 10:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | afaik for starters, x86_64 has backward compatibility, its just slight variances with large mem blocks and slightly different addressing table but then again x86 codes may run in their own `containers' or so I think | 10:20 |
| psycho_oreos | djszapi, heh not really but again I have not tried doing that | 10:21 |
| djszapi | k ty | 10:21 |
| djszapi | bye | 10:21 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:32 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | in the n900 desktop taskbar there is an icon to the left of the battery state - what's it for? | 10:34 |
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| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: bell icon? | 10:35 |
| inTransit | probably data conn icon | 10:35 |
| jpinx-eeepc | doesn't look much like a bell ;) | 10:35 |
| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: ah.. you mean GSM iconbar | 10:35 |
| johnx | jpinx-eeepc, above the am/pm of the time? | 10:36 |
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| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: it shows gsm/3g signal strength and 2/2.5/3/3.5G below to give you info of features | 10:36 |
| jpinx-eeepc | 4 or 5 horizontal white bars over a wine-glass base | 10:36 |
| inTransit | ^what hrw said | 10:37 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok - is it the mobile signal strength? | 10:37 |
| hrw | yes | 10:37 |
| jpinx-eeepc | cool -- thanks | 10:37 |
| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: n900 is your first cellphone? | 10:38 |
| * jpinx-eeepc gets lots of signal . no data :( | 10:38 | |
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| jpinx-eeepc | hrw: first smart phone - yep | 10:38 |
| inTransit | good choice | 10:39 |
| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: and your previous phones lacked signal strenght meter? | 10:39 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | It is a brilliant concept, but poorly executed | 10:39 |
| hrw | I would said "quite good choice" | 10:39 |
| inTransit | hmmm... ure opinion, not mine | 10:40 |
| hrw | sure | 10:40 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | inTransit: you reckon it's 100% ok? | 10:40 |
| hrw | but if I will change phone in 2011 then ->Android | 10:40 |
| jpinx-eeepc | hrw: I was having a blonde moment about that icon... | 10:41 |
| inTransit | i think its the most capable mobile device ive used | 10:41 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | inTransit: same here, but i9t is still poorly executed | 10:41 |
| jpinx-eeepc | there are so many "features" that are basically not well written | 10:42 |
| hrw | inTransit: capable yes. but capabilities needs to be used... | 10:42 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | who would write a calendar that doesn't scroll week-by-week ? | 10:42 |
| inTransit | sure, -not as refined as some other offerings... but thn maemo was fresh | 10:42 |
| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/ | 10:42 |
| mece | Yay! Anti-oss conspiracy! http://blog.javier-carrete.com/2010/10/wikileaks-publishes-documents-on-plan.html | 10:43 |
| jpinx-eeepc | hrw :) | 10:43 |
| * inTransit hopes meego completes the process | 10:43 | |
| hrw | inTransit: in 2012 maybe | 10:43 |
| jpinx-eeepc | hrw: I bunged a chroot of debian squueze in there and run stuff on that ;) | 10:43 |
| inTransit | yeh... -dont want the maemo feel to dissapear though | 10:43 |
| jpinx-eeepc | inTransit: that's eyecandy - I need functions that actually do what they aare supposed to | 10:44 |
| inTransit | id kinda like both... | 10:44 |
| jpinx-eeepc | function first - I'm all in favour of dressing it up sexy once it actually works ;) | 10:45 |
| inTransit | hahaHA | 10:45 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | hrw: fwiw - tha link is either b0rked or "filtered" here ;) | 10:46 |
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| inTransit | how much more resource intesive is android in comparison to maemo? | 10:51 |
| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: company firewall with words filtering? | 10:54 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | hrw: check my whois location... ; | 10:56 |
| hrw | .th is? | 10:57 |
| FauxFaux | wiki://.th | 10:57 |
| hrw | Thailand... | 10:57 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | china is not the only place to have a great firewall ;) | 10:59 |
| FauxFaux | Most other countries allow you to hold accounts with shell providers in other countries, though, right? | 11:00 |
| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: planet.maemo.org works? | 11:00 |
| psycho_oreos | indeed but the great firewall was link to a proud chinese historic and iconic figure called great wall which obviously does its job to keep enemies out and so firewall does more or less the same thing.. seeing as how its used on mass scale the term was later coined by the media as great firewall | 11:01 |
| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_blog_index_page=75 has this post | 11:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | bleh | 11:01 |
| crashanddie | it's so funny to still see people use variables the size of a house block | 11:02 |
| psycho_oreos | meaning a very very large variable? | 11:03 |
| jpinx-eeepc | hrw: whaat am I looking for there? | 11:03 |
| hrw | crashanddie: maemo.org backend is fun in many places | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | hrw, I know, I looked at it | 11:04 |
| hrw | jpinx-eeepc: find "cruel" and read copy of my http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/ post ;D | 11:04 |
| hrw | crashanddie: I preferred not to | 11:04 |
| jpinx-eeepc | hrw: ok | 11:04 |
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| Venemo | timeless_mbp: ping | 11:17 |
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| Venemo | ~seen timeless_mbp | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | pong | 11:17 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp is currently on #maemo (1d 10h 35m 19s) #meego (1d 10h 35m 19s). Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 1h 54m 57s, last said: 'now all i have to do is read 10 or so very long documents w/ a fine-tooth comb'. | 11:17 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: I know you're likely not personally involved, but do you know someone from the team that created libhildondesktop? | 11:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm sure i could find someone | 11:18 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: the problem that I'm facing is that most of the stuff is completely undocumented | 11:19 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: for example, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libhildondesktop/HDPluginManager.html | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | quick question, should I go for Debian or Ubuntu on my laptop? | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | (and yes, those are the only two options) | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | how will you use it and for how long? | 11:20 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: this one is the most documented... see http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libhildondesktop/HDPluginLoader.html that one doesn't contain any doc at all | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | and do both actually support your laptop? | 11:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | Venemo: nice | 11:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | crashanddie: debian for stability and support, ubunto for new-ness | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, I'm sick of Windows 7 giving blue-screen shit, and I just want to develop quietly. Main features that will be used: FUSE for SSHFS, gvim and git. | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | And probably wine for spotify goodness in the background | 11:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | crashanddie: debian then | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: have you gotten minidumps for the bluescreens? | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | those should be solvable / reportable | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, yeah | 11:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | and run your wincrap in a vm ;) | 11:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: did they finger something? | 11:21 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: there is of course the default implementation and the Qt plugion loader implementation, too, which would give me some hints, but their sources also don't contain any doc at all | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | (if the problem is hardware related, get the hardware replaced...) | 11:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | Venemo: so… i could find someone | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, supposedly, it's the ethernet card driver that's causing it, however, I installed a handful of different versions, and it's always the same | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm not going to find someone who will offer documentation | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | if they didn't do it while working on it, there's no way they'll do it while they aren't paid to do it.. | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: ok | 11:23 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: it would be enough if you find someone who could spare 10-15 minutes to explain me how the thing works and basically how can I implement my own | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, could also come from the fact that the antivirus is plugging into the driver to stop malicious stuff, and that's buggering the whole system | 11:23 |
| lindi- | crashanddie: just spend a few months in kernel debugger :) | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: which are you using? i like MSE | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: i'll see if i can dig someone up | 11:24 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: thank you | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, dunno, it's the corporate laptop, whatever's on there by default I guess | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | you might ask lcuk or w00t, one of them might be in a better position to dig someone up | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: = crap typically | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | well, for the price that companies pay Dell to provide corporate laptops | 11:25 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: I was able to decypher some of the process involved, but most of the thing doesn't make any sense to me | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the corporate AV(+firewall+vpn)s i've had to deal w/ cause more pain/bsod's than anything esle | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | s/esle/else/ | 11:25 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: the corporate AV(+firewall+vpn)s i've had to deal w/ cause more pain/bsod's than anything else | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | they might as well get their shit in order and provide things that works | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: companies are wiser to buy apples for the same price | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, been using my personal mac for the past few months | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | (and really by the time you're buying a corporate laptop there's very little price difference) | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, I've got 2TB of external HD usable as time-machine. I told them it was more secure than anything they'd ever be able to provide me with | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a corporate dell on a shell 3' away from me, and a corporate mbp on my lap :) | 11:26 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: of Debian and Ubuntu, I'd choose Ubuntu. Otherwise I prefer Fedora or Win7 | 11:26 |
| kerio | debian! | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | MS w7x64 is much better than corporate w7 :( | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | well, I've been running Debian for the past 10 years, and ubuntu maybe on 2 computers that are used by less-geeky people | 11:26 |
| kerio | my aunt has been using ubuntu for a couple of years with absolutely no problem | 11:27 |
| crashanddie | well, downloading the Debian DVD | 11:27 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: the problem with Debian is that lot of its packages are outdated, but otherwise it is mostly rock stable | 11:27 |
| kerio | linux is not cool anymore :( | 11:27 |
| Venemo | kerio: why not? | 11:27 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, outdated isn't a big deal | 11:27 |
| kerio | Venemo: stable is... stable | 11:28 |
| kerio | and old | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, I'm working on voip server -- our customers don't run bleeding edge | 11:28 |
| Venemo | that's why I use Fedora | 11:28 |
| kerio | for a desktop, you're kinda supposed to use testing | 11:28 |
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| crashanddie | and the only things we use are a handful of features from the glibc 2.0 | 11:28 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: in this case, Debian should be okay | 11:28 |
| kerio | yay debian :D | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | of course it is, Debian is Universal (c) | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | i really hate that statement.. | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | aww | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | why? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | because people take it to mean debian fits everywhere | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | which doesn't make sense cos a kitchen sink isn't useful in many areas | 11:30 |
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| lindi- | Stskeeps: your phone doesn't have one? ;) | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | lindi-: well, i think we can both agree debian isn't exactly suited to minimal installs and power saving | 11:33 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: anyways, thanks for digging up someone :) | 11:33 |
| lindi- | Stskeeps: minimal installs are being worked on yes | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | lindi-: and emdebian is a symptom of that as well | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | (though they do really cool stuff) | 11:34 |
| lindi- | Stskeeps: yep it's a still on-going project | 11:34 |
| kerio | Stskeeps: how minimal?= | 11:34 |
| TermanaN900 | Stskeeps, what exactly is special about MeeGo and Maemo's power saving compared to stock Debian or w/e? | 11:34 |
| kerio | lol, maemo's power saving | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | kerio: don't mock it until you've tried debian and ubuntu on your device.. | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | TermanaN900: it's built to be lean and mean - no excessives, everything's there for a reason | 11:35 |
| kerio | like pulseaudio! | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | pa's there for a good reason | 11:36 |
| lindi- | Stskeeps: something simple like hunting for extra wakeups can probably be organized. higher level power saving strategies probably aren't going to happen very soon | 11:36 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, I am not watching here and busy with stuff today | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lindi-: :nod: | 11:36 |
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| lindi- | Stskeeps: for example my icewm wakes up every second to update the clock that is in HH:MM mode | 11:36 |
| * johnx needs to find just one stupid blank CD-R around here ... | 11:36 | |
| kerio | lindi-: haha wow | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | lindi-: impressive | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | lindi-: the prime example is really how long time it's taken maemo to shape debian.. | 11:37 |
| kerio | i thought icewm was supposed to be light | 11:37 |
| lindi- | kerio: it is unless you enable the clock :) | 11:37 |
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| lindi- | but I wanted a clock :-) | 11:37 |
| kerio | clocks are notoriously computationally heavy | 11:38 |
| TermanaN900 | Stskeeps, lean and mean means nothing as an explaination :p Is it because of less idle processes or less memory/swap usage or what? | 11:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kerio: use busybox :) and instal some standalone clock | 11:38 |
| kerio | my gtk clock applet for rox-desktop slept for a second, to be fair | 11:38 |
| johnx | TermanaN900, means choosing reduced resource usage vs features that geeks want :) | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | TermanaN900: less idle processes, things are there for a purpose - ie, less bloat - put together to make a platform diagram :P | 11:39 |
| Venemo | TermanaN900: perhaps both | 11:39 |
| kerio | Stskeeps: there's no excuse for choosing pulseaudio over dmix | 11:39 |
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| johnx | kerio, what about "trying to fit in with other distros"? | 11:40 |
| kerio | you should never give in to peer pressure! | 11:40 |
| kerio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No | 11:40 |
| johnx | kerio, the rest of us are using pulseaudio. here try some | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | kerio: does dmix have latency guarantees? | 11:40 |
| kerio | probably not | 11:41 |
| kerio | does it matter? | 11:41 |
| Corsac | for phone conversations, yes | 11:41 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, no. but if you want to add latency you can just add an do-nothing loop in your program :) | 11:41 |
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| Stskeeps | kerio: quite a fair bit | 11:42 |
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| flux | does dmix come with a way to put in digital signal processing into the output of any application? | 11:44 |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, add latency? you want to reduce latency while on the phone :p | 11:45 |
| johnx | TermanaN900, aaaah. should have been more specific :) | 11:45 |
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| jacekowski | TermanaN900: you want to reduce jitter | 11:47 |
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| jacekowski | flux: only alsa appliactions | 11:47 |
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| crashanddie | lol | 11:51 |
| crashanddie | I was just asked by my boss to "please not reply under what other people had said before, it's confusing not to see the replies all the way at the top of the email" | 11:51 |
| kerio | lol | 11:51 |
| flux | jacekowski, well, it would be good enough for a mostly self-contained environment | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | <sigh /> | 11:51 |
| kerio | netiquette :( | 11:51 |
| kerio | people who reply on top of other emails should be shot | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | yep | 11:52 |
| kerio | how the hell does that make sense anyway | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | kerio: Doing anything else in Outlook is a PITA | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | PA on n900 is very bad solution | 11:52 |
| crashanddie | now, would we? | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | dmix would be a lot better | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | confuse anyone | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | Wouldn't want to | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | "easier to follow" | 11:53 |
| flux | well, people who reply on bottom of other emails after quoting the other email in full (including the signature) should be shot as well :P | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | Considering it's | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | talking backwards then | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | I guess I'll just start | 11:53 |
| kerio | crashanddie: answer that to your boss | 11:53 |
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| crashanddie | (and goddamn, that was difficult to type) | 11:53 |
| marmoute | jacekowski: s/Doing anything else in // | 11:53 |
| kerio | people who use outlook should also be shot | 11:54 |
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| jacekowski | marmoute: ? | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | kerio, outlook works pretty damn well | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | kerio: Ta, I'll bear that in mind when I'm moving to my next job. | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | kerio, if you add the google desktop indexing, it really is brilliant (and a plugin or two to allow for correct quoting) | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | and lets google spy on you | 11:54 |
| kerio | crashanddie: the italian version of outlook used R: as the reply marker in the subject for *years* | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: really? | 11:55 |
| kerio | it was fun in newsgroups | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been non top posting w/ outlook for years | 11:55 |
| flux | well, the finnish version is Vs:. it's great to have Re: Vs: Re: Vs: -subjects. | 11:55 |
| kerio | Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: subject | 11:55 |
| flux | :) | 11:55 |
| kerio | flux: damn, you beat me | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mailformat.dan.info/config/outlook.html | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | flux: that's because someone was stupid | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | you aren't supposed to translate technical terms | 11:56 |
| * timeless_mbp curses ms for that one | 11:56 | |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: were you successful in finding someone? | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I used to use QuoteFix but stopped for reasons which I don't remember. | 11:57 |
| crashanddie | kerio, it still does that when talking with people who have their client in different languages | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: i wasn't successful in getting out of the house :) | 11:57 |
| kerio | oh, so it's not fixed yet? | 11:57 |
| kerio | nice | 11:57 |
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| Venemo | timeless_mbp: :D | 11:57 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: sorry, I thought you were at work :) | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: my mac has to disconnect for me to leave for work ;-) | 11:58 |
| crashanddie | kerio, you'd think applying a simple regex is too difficult: s/[a-zA-Z]{2,3}:/Re:/ | 11:58 |
| johnx | how is it possible that vmware server has such an awful web interface? | 11:59 |
| kerio | crashanddie: except for all the times that fails badly | 11:59 |
| kerio | including in the case i presented | 11:59 |
| kerio | where Re: is translated to R: | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: Fwd: ? | 11:59 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, just check if it has a Reply-To header then | 11:59 |
| crashanddie | kerio, mod it to {1,3} | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: yeah, i used to use quotefix but also stopped (and later i stopped using outlook) | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: Re: Vs: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | or more typically Re: Re: Fwd: Vs: Vs: Re: | 12:00 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, Fwd: Re doesn't have a Reply-To header | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: the point is that the last action would be a reply | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | or rather, In-Response-To, or whatever the name it | 12:01 |
| slonopotamus | btw, why outlook adds HA: ? | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | it's some intermediate action which was a Fwd | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: what's HA: ? | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | It's a reference to the Simpsons | 12:01 |
| flux | crashanddie, it could be confusing. for example I could see someone having a subject: "Btw: you suck" | 12:01 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: no idea | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | HA:HA: | 12:01 |
| flux | crashanddie, and then you start wondering what is someone responding to | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | flux, indeed | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | then just standardize the bloody format of "Re" | 12:02 |
| flux | the solution is obvious: a new email header enumerating all the reply prefixes the agent uses | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | Well, it's not that ludicrous | 12:02 |
| kerio | less ludicrous than not using a known broken program? | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | Subject-Prepended-With: "Aw:" | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | And the client can decide to show it or not | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | kerio, it really has nothing to do with the program, but because of the demands of the customer | 12:04 |
| kerio | are we really having this conversation because you desperately want to use outlook? | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | kerio, "BUT I WANT RE IN GERMAN I TELL YOU" | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | I don't use Outlook ^^ | 12:04 |
| slonopotamus | okay | 12:04 |
| Venemo | lcuk, do you have a moment? | 12:04 |
| maswan | crashanddie: The format of "Re: " is already standardized. Lots of clients don't care though. | 12:04 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: looks like it's SV: but russian | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: that's helpful | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | maswan, yeah, but obviously the standard isn't intuitive enough. | 12:05 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to work | 12:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | (maybe) | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | maswan, why would Microsoft not follow it, otherwise? | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | Clearly, if Microsoft's teams aren't following a standard, it means the standard is broken. | 12:05 |
| maswan | crashanddie: Cause they're morons, perhaps? | 12:05 |
| kerio | because they're dickwads | 12:05 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: because Microsoft doesn't care about standards that much, perhaps | 12:05 |
| flux | well, do you think they can fix it now? people get confused when their reponses don't get prefixed what they expected. | 12:06 |
| crashanddie | s/./. < | 12:06 |
| crashanddie | crap | 12:06 |
| jacekowski | it's not about standards | 12:06 |
| jacekowski | it's about that people don't understand it | 12:06 |
| jacekowski | it's like topposting | 12:07 |
| crashanddie | kids, don't forget who you're talking to. I obviously had a hidden </sarcasm> after "broken." | 12:07 |
| slonopotamus | http://www.trilithium.com/johan/2005/06/re-outlook/ | 12:07 |
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| jacekowski | i got told off for writing in strange way | 12:07 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski, which is the topic that ignited this topic | 12:07 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski, scroll up | 12:07 |
| crashanddie | [10:51:38] <crashanddie> I was just asked by my boss to "please not reply under what other people had said before, it's confusing not to see the replies all the way at the top of the email" | 12:07 |
| TermanaN900 | crashanddie, just being redundunt in your speech? Replacing grammar with itself | 12:07 |
| jacekowski | well i ignored that | 12:07 |
| jacekowski | and still write as it should be | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | and what's funny that some people reply to me in correct way | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | while still topposting to other people | 12:08 |
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| TermanaN900 | jacekowski, makes sense in a psycological manner | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | Well, I'll just top-post to the cow-orkers | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | And use email properly when using my personal account. | 12:09 |
| TermanaN900 | psycological / social | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | Though, anyone who cares about topposting should've hailed Google Wave as the future of email... | 12:10 |
| jacekowski | wave is abandoned | 12:10 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: That's what I do | 12:10 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski, chicken and egg. It was abandonned because of lack of interst. | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, did you see the google employee rant about it being cancelled? | 12:11 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Nope? | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, a couple of f-words, http://www.myvidster.com/video/312898/Google_Wave_A_Pissed_Off_Tutorial | 12:12 |
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| johnx | I really liked wave | 12:13 |
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| johnx | I kinda wish they either held off launching it until they could support more users, or they managed to scale the amount of users they could handle faster | 12:14 |
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| johnx | it just seems like it wasn't given a real test | 12:14 |
| crashanddie | I remember getting an account very, very early | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | Didn't have anyone on it | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | maybe... 2 people off my entire GMail history had an account | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | So... I sent a wave, and closed the browser | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | And was never, ever, brought to use it again | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | Not because I didn't like it, I loved it, there just wasn't anyone... | 12:18 |
| alterego | I don't use gmail, I've got ovi and a server I run. | 12:18 |
| Venemo | is ovi good? | 12:18 |
| alterego | and a hotmail spam account I've had since I first got on the interbuttz | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Indeed. The people with whom it might have been most useful were behind the work firewall. | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, and we all know how companies feel about moving their data (or MY GOD, something as important as email) from their local dusty box to a cloud they can't understand. | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | Hmm, either my boss is listening on IRC | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | or he actually has some common sense | 12:20 |
| TermanaN900 | crashanddie, listening on irc | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | He just sent a follow-up email, saying he didn't really care about where I put my replies, but that the > signs looked horrible on Blackberry and made it hard to follow. | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | Hey Boris, I WANT A RAISE. | 12:22 |
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| crashanddie | I'm totally shitting myself if sar3th says "Sure, no problem Seb" | 12:22 |
| sar3th | nope crashanddie, i'm not ur boss | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | cool, thanks :D | 12:23 |
| rmrfchik | amagad http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_7-review-521.php | 12:23 |
| sar3th | yw, lol | 12:23 |
| TermanaN900 | sar3th you are such a spoil sport :p | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | TermanaN900, ain't he? | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | :D | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | oh, and btw, anyone riding a bike here? As in, motorbike | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | I promise you, than having your backwheel slide away because the sidewind is so strong is FUCKING SCARY | 12:24 |
| crashanddie | s/than/that | 12:24 |
| johnx | I tend to prefer keeping 3/4 or 4/4 wheels in contact with the road :) | 12:25 |
| * Jaffa doesn't mind halving them - as long as it's still 2 :-) | 12:25 | |
| crashanddie | yeah, but then again, your name is John, and you're living in a house with a nice little picket fence | 12:25 |
| jacekowski | i sometimes drive on 2 wheels | 12:25 |
| * Jaffa not allowed a motorbike :-( | 12:25 | |
| jacekowski | and that was fucking scary | 12:25 |
| jacekowski | done that only once | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | Having done extensive jetskiing recently - I want to move from the centre of the UK to somewhere more sea based. But without getting closer to the in-laws in Folkestone ;-) | 12:26 |
| jacekowski | Jaffa: well, in england it's always max 70miles from sea | 12:26 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, meh. I plan to live forever. getting myself killed in a motorcycle accident would be dumb | 12:27 |
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| Jaffa | jacekowski: I'm, almost literally (i.e. within 10 miles) of the official geographic centre of England. | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | johnx: living to death is worse | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, Cardiff is nice I hear :P | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | wales | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: I could go and see Ianto's shrine. | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | and torchwood HQ | 12:28 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Northern Scotland probably could be quite fun. | 12:28 |
| johnx | jacekowski, balance in all things :) | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | hehe -- under the Roald Dahl plaza? | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, or Bristol -- even further away from the inlaws | 12:29 |
| jacekowski | ireland | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Got blown up; who knows where the new one'll be for the next (international) series. | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, I also spent some time in Doncaster, or Rotherham... Now those are shitholes. | 12:29 |
| jacekowski | Jaffa: they can always rebuild it | 12:30 |
| Jaffa | Wouldn't disagree there ;-) | 12:30 |
| crashanddie | I guess Manchester is relatively OK | 12:30 |
| Jaffa | jacekowski: Indeed. But it'll be based at LHR for easier getting to their LA friends. | 12:30 |
| crashanddie | If you can bear the thought of living close to lcuk :D | 12:30 |
| jacekowski | how do you know? | 12:30 |
| Jaffa | jacekowski: </jk> | 12:30 |
| jacekowski | ? | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | anyway, coffee, and cancer sticks, 'later | 12:31 |
| Jaffa | http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/14384 | 12:31 |
| jacekowski | when is it going to air again anyways | 12:31 |
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| ElAngelo | anyone knows where to order spare parts for my n900 | 12:48 |
| ElAngelo | i messed up the screws on the back of the screen | 12:48 |
| ElAngelo | m1.4 2.8 | 12:48 |
| tybollt | 12:48 | |
| ElAngelo | thenokiaparts.com doesn't seem to have the screws anymore | 12:48 |
| ElAngelo | http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/N900-SCREWS-7000567 | 12:49 |
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| Myrtti | one might wonder how and why you messed the screws up in the first place | 12:50 |
| Venemo | ~seen lcuk | 12:51 |
| infobot | lcuk is currently on #gsoc (1d 3h 20m 56s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 1h 14m 49s, last said: 'timeless_mbp, I am not watching here and busy with stuff today'. | 12:51 |
| ElAngelo | Myrtti: i had to fix the earpiece | 12:51 |
| ElAngelo | it came loose by dropping the phone | 12:51 |
| ElAngelo | yes i know... i was being rude | 12:51 |
| jarkkom | ElAngelo, those screws are pretty much standard parts, you could buy part kit for some other nokia phone and mix & match | 12:52 |
| ElAngelo | hmmm | 12:52 |
| ElAngelo | that's an idea | 12:52 |
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| jarkkom | or just hardware store, if you have one with really good selection nearby | 12:53 |
| ElAngelo | i have none with screws that small :s | 12:54 |
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| johnx | or harvest them from someone's glasses :D those have small screws | 12:54 |
| ElAngelo | lol | 12:54 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:55 |
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| alterego | I saw you could get a T9 set on ebay a while ago. | 12:55 |
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| ElAngelo | grmbl | 12:57 |
| ElAngelo | i knew it were annoying screws | 12:57 |
| ElAngelo | and i was fairly carefull | 12:57 |
| ElAngelo | but not carefull enough so it seems | 12:57 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:58 |
| ElAngelo | i might just go to a glasses'shop | 12:59 |
| ElAngelo | they might have these | 12:59 |
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| hrw | does someone here still use gizmo5 sip? | 13:02 |
| Venemo | how can I restart hildon-home safely? | 13:02 |
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| hrw | ~curse morons which wrote Maemo5 IM specification | 13:15 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, morons which wrote Maemo5 IM specification ! | 13:15 |
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| Venemo | jlol | 13:16 |
| Venemo | lol | 13:16 |
| psycho_oreos | blasphemy! | 13:16 |
| psycho_oreos | ;) | 13:16 |
| hrw | Select SIP operator: username@some.host.name.which.has.nothing.common.with.operator.name / otherusername@yeat.another.sip.operator | 13:16 |
| Venemo | ~curse morons which left libhildondektop undocumented | 13:16 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, morons which left libhildondektop undocumented ! | 13:16 |
| Venemo | ~nuke the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented | 13:16 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented ... B☢☢M! | 13:16 | |
| hrw | Venemo: do not expect documentation from nokia | 13:16 |
| Venemo | hrw: most of the Hildon stuff have very good doc | 13:17 |
| psycho_oreos | ~lart morons who love propriatory work | 13:17 |
| * infobot makes a balloon animal out of morons who love propriatory work | 13:17 | |
| Venemo | ~kill the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented | 13:17 |
| * infobot shoots a charged anti-positrino gun at the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented | 13:17 | |
| psycho_oreos | ~slap nokia | 13:18 |
| * infobot slaps nokia, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 13:18 | |
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| Venemo | ~MohammadAG | 13:20 |
| Venemo | hm, seems he forgot this one | 13:20 |
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| hrw | ~hrw | 13:25 |
| infobot | it has been said that hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/Poky developer | 13:25 |
| hrw | infobot: no, hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - Linaro, OpenEmbedded, Poky Linux developer | 13:25 |
| infobot | okay, hrw | 13:25 |
| hrw | ~thx | 13:25 |
| infobot | np, or eeeerrruuusssshhhwwwaaaaaAAAAAAAAA!!!!11 | 13:25 |
| hrw | ~botsnack | 13:25 |
| infobot | thanks, hrw | 13:25 |
| Venemo | lol | 13:26 |
| Venemo | ~botsnack | 13:26 |
| infobot | :), Venemo | 13:26 |
| Venemo | ~botsnack | 13:26 |
| hrw | do not overfeed the bot or it will puke | 13:26 |
| Venemo | lol | 13:26 |
| * psycho_oreos looks at the binary mess left on the floor | 13:26 | |
| Venemo | ~hrw | 13:26 |
| infobot | methinks hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - Linaro, OpenEmbedded, Poky Linux developer | 13:26 |
| Venemo | ~Venemo | 13:27 |
| psycho_oreos | s/mess/puke/ | 13:27 |
| Venemo | how do I set it to infobot? | 13:27 |
| Robot101 | Venemo: say "infobot: Venemo is blablabla" | 13:27 |
| psycho_oreos | s/mess/puke/g | 13:28 |
| psycho_oreos | humm... wth | 13:28 |
| Venemo | ~DocScrutinizer | 13:28 |
| infobot | well, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 13:28 |
| psycho_oreos | s/wth/wtf/ | 13:28 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: humm... wtf | 13:28 |
| Robot101 | psycho_oreos: doesn't do actions? | 13:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Robot101, just realised that :) | 13:29 |
| Venemo | infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET/C++/Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:29 |
| infobot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo | 13:29 |
| Venemo | infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:29 |
| infobot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo | 13:29 |
| Venemo | which one is illegal? | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | probably . , and ++ | 13:30 |
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| dsg | infobot: You fail at character encoding | 13:30 |
| Venemo | infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET and Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:30 |
| infobot | Venemo: i'm not going to learn illegal characters | 13:30 |
| johnx | infobot, johnx's favorite letter is ó | 13:30 |
| infobot | okay, johnx | 13:30 |
| johnx | well it's not that ... | 13:30 |
| johnx | maybe .NET is illegal :> | 13:31 |
| Venemo | infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a dotNET and Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:31 |
| infobot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo | 13:31 |
| Venemo | infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:31 |
| infobot | Venemo: i'm not going to learn illegal characters | 13:31 |
| Venemo | infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristof, a developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:31 |
| infobot | Venemo: okay | 13:31 |
| Venemo | infobot: you should learn ó, seriously | 13:31 |
| psycho_oreos | infobot, Venemo is Timur Kristóf a dotNET and Cplusplus and Qt developer as well as the author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:32 |
| infobot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, psycho_oreos | 13:32 |
| jjo | :) | 13:32 |
| johnx | ~johnx's favorite letter | 13:32 |
| infobot | rumour has it, johnx's favorite letter is ó | 13:32 |
| johnx | heh | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | bleh | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf a dotNET and Cplusplus and Qt developer as well as the author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:32 |
| infobot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, psycho_oreos | 13:32 |
| * johnx sleeps. | 13:32 | |
| * Venemo lol'd at this | 13:32 | |
| hrw | guys: /query infobot | 13:32 |
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| Venemo | johnx: perhaps you could set it for me? | 13:33 |
| hrw | ~puke | 13:33 |
| infobot | HOOF BLEEEECH! *flush* | 13:33 |
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| Venemo | johnx: since it accepts ó from you | 13:33 |
| johnx | infobot, Venemo is Timur Kristóf | 13:33 |
| infobot | ...but venemo is already something else... | 13:33 |
| johnx | infobot, no, Venemo is Timur Kristóf | 13:33 |
| infobot | johnx: okay | 13:33 |
| psycho_oreos | whoa :x | 13:34 |
| johnx | infobot, Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:34 |
| infobot | ...but venemo is already something else... | 13:34 |
| johnx | infobot, no, Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:34 |
| infobot | johnx: okay | 13:34 |
| johnx | ~Venemo | 13:34 |
| infobot | rumour has it, venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:34 |
| johnx | magic | 13:34 |
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| Venemo | hah | 13:35 |
| Venemo | ~Venemo | 13:35 |
| infobot | i heard venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 13:35 |
| johnx | I wonder if one of you guys had gotten a newline or something copy+pasted in there | 13:35 |
| johnx | Venemo, hope that looks right. it'll be hard for you to change :) | 13:35 |
| Venemo | hm, why is he writing the V in lowercase now? | 13:35 |
| hrw | because it does it will all names | 13:35 |
| hrw | ~MAEMO | 13:35 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml | 13:35 |
| kerio | because you're not worth an uppercase letter | 13:35 |
| hrw | whole dictionary is lowercase keyed | 13:36 |
| Venemo | kerio: as always, you have a very good sense of humor :) | 13:36 |
| psycho_oreos | except for names or the letter I | 13:36 |
| psycho_oreos | s/letter/word/ | 13:37 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: except for names or the word I | 13:37 |
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| frals | ~frals | 13:57 |
| infobot | rumour has it, frals is a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS | 13:57 |
| frals | :< | 13:57 |
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| BCMM | which bit bothers you? | 14:02 |
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| frals | not sure! | 14:05 |
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| dimir | hi guys, question about maemo 5. | 14:15 |
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| dimir | I can't find package libmaemosec-dev. Was it removed? | 14:15 |
| dimir | And where are now the header files, e. g. maemosec_storage.h . | 14:15 |
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| Venemo | dimir: search http://maemo.org/packages/ | 14:16 |
| dimir | I did. | 14:17 |
| dimir | There is no such package. | 14:17 |
| dimir | But it used to be in maemo 5. | 14:17 |
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| Venemo | dimir: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=maemosec&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 14:18 |
| Venemo | for the keyword maemosec it did find stuff for me | 14:18 |
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| dimir | Venemo: I need exactly libmaemosec-dev because it contains the development headers. | 14:18 |
| Venemo | dimir: there's no such thing here | 14:19 |
| dimir | Or I need to know what it was renamed to and where can I find the file like maemosec_storage.h now. | 14:19 |
| Venemo | dimir: if you're sure it was in the repos earlier, poke X-Fade about it | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | nothing gets deleted afaik | 14:19 |
| dimir | Venemo: I am somewhat sure because asked someone that has old maemo5 target in sbox and this stuff is there. | 14:19 |
| dimir | MohammadAG51: That's what I thought too. | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | old maemo5? | 14:20 |
| dimir | ye | 14:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, when does X-Fade come back? | 14:20 |
| dimir | "old" as in "hasn't been upgraded for year or so" :-) | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: no idea | 14:20 |
| * MohammadAG51 stabs a trout | 14:21 | |
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| dimir | :-D | 14:22 |
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| rmrfchik | what's new on maemo? | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | firefox 4? | 14:43 |
| Hoxzer | does ff4 support html5 h264 video? | 14:44 |
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| dimir | Funny, git://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman.git contains these packages. | 14:44 |
| dimir | And I just build me libmaemosec-dev . | 14:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | dunno | 14:45 |
| rmrfchik | ff4 is eating memory | 14:46 |
| Venemo | FF doesn't support H.264, since H.264 is patented... | 14:46 |
| rmrfchik | Venemo: i heard, they relaxed h.264 licensing | 14:46 |
| Venemo | hm, that's good news | 14:46 |
| rmrfchik | in august or such | 14:46 |
| Hoxzer | well thay doesnt prevent mplayer from supporting h264 | 14:47 |
| marmoute | rmrfchik: not enought | 14:47 |
| Venemo | lcuk, ping | 14:47 |
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| rmrfchik | On August 26, 2010 MPEG LA announced that H.264 encoded internet video that is free to end users will never be charged for royalties | 14:47 |
| rmrfchik | from wikipedia | 14:47 |
| rmrfchik | hmm | 14:48 |
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| rmrfchik | codecs still under royalties | 14:48 |
| Venemo | yeah... | 14:48 |
| Surfa | surprise? | 14:48 |
| Venemo | properitary crap | 14:48 |
| rmrfchik | as we can say in russian "h264 is not need" | 14:49 |
| xkr47 | I guess "internet video" can also be challenged | 14:49 |
| rmrfchik | long live ogg/vp8 ;) | 14:49 |
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| Venemo | andre__: ping | 15:09 |
| andre__ | Venemo, pong | 15:09 |
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| crashanddie | In Soviet Russia, H264 encodes YOU! | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | In Soviet Russia, bugs open YOU! | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, I am v busy at the mo | 15:35 |
| Venemo | sorry lcuk | 15:35 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, if you have a moment, please tell me :) | 15:36 |
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| johd | hey there | 15:37 |
| johd | I'm having some problems getting stacked windows to work using pyqt | 15:37 |
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| kraiskil | I'm having problems running a sample dsp ping program. Everything goes OK, untill calling DSPNode_Terminate. The function call fails, but reboots the device (n900). Any hints on how to solve this are appreciated... | 15:42 |
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| vis | heh, nokia panorama seems slightly sluggish | 15:59 |
| vis | took a test photo, and it's been processing it for 10 minutes | 16:00 |
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| vis | ui is unusable | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | htop | 16:00 |
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| vdv | hi all | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | killall trackerd | 16:01 |
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| vis | trying to ssh in, but no luck there | 16:01 |
| vis | well i'm in no hurry | 16:01 |
| vdv | if i flash my n900, which image is appopriate for that? is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM ok? (described as latest in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php) | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you probably have triggered a forkbomb, eating all process table slots (I had this with dbus-scripting) | 16:02 |
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| vis | could be | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | vdv: yes | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | vdv, yes | 16:02 |
| vdv | :) ok | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, didn't notice your answer, was reading scrollback lol | 16:03 |
| vdv | one more question: isn't root user enabled on "default" n900 firmware? | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | sort of, yes | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, | 16:03 |
| vdv | yes == it's enabled? | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need pkg rootsh | 16:03 |
| vdv | i can't do su | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it's enabled, but su doesn't work | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the command is "rot", not "su" | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | install rootsh, or go R&D and edit the script | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | root | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, i use su :) | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 16:04 |
| vdv | i.e. i don't need new firmware to become root? | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | nope | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 16:04 |
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| vdv | :) ok, thanks guys | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | "su is rotten"? | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | type sudo gainroot, find it humorless, install rootsh | 16:05 |
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| djszapi | where does the printk print the strings, into /var/log/syslog ? | 16:05 |
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| djszapi | -> /var/log/messages* were earlier on Desktop distributions. | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootsh pkg smply adds an entry to sudoers | 16:05 |
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| crashanddie | djszapi, configure /etc/syslog.conf | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to be specific, the entry for 'sudo gainroot' | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | no DocScrutinizer | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it edits the whole script | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: yes, I know | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | not sure why | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | djszapi, there should be a line like kern.* /var/log/messages | 16:06 |
| djszapi | crashanddie: what is default ? | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | or you need to add it | 16:06 |
| vdv | sudo gainroot says that i should enable rd mode | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | which by itself is an abomination | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | vdv, install rootsh | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | vdv: that's BS | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rootsh pkg | 16:07 |
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| * MohammadAG51 loves advice on tmo to use root; apt-get install rootsh | 16:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 16:07 |
| * crashanddie is drowning in source code | 16:07 | |
| vdv | i will do firmware update anyway | 16:08 |
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| * MohammadAG51 comments out crashanddie's code, | 16:08 | |
| vdv | i have now 2.2009.51-1 installed | 16:08 |
| * MohammadAG51 scratches head | 16:09 | |
| MohammadAG51 | PR1.1 | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 16:09 |
| johd | ok, figured it out... forgot an import -_- | 16:09 |
| vdv | it's second release, right? | 16:09 |
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| Venemo | ~flashing | 16:09 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:09 |
| Venemo | vdv: follow the link infobot gave us | 16:10 |
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| vdv | Venemo, ok, thanks | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | xchat needs a UI overhaul | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | vdv: stay away from VANILLA images, if you don't really need them | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | GO MohammadAG51 GOOOO | 16:11 |
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| vis | meh | 16:12 |
| vis | had to remove battery | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol i wish i knew gtk well | 16:12 |
| * MohammadAG51 wants qwerty12 back, *sobs* | 16:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | gtk is dead | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | gtk is epic | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, total lines of code: 320,524, development effort: 85.54, estimated average number of developers: 29, estimated cost: $11 million | 16:12 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, vanilla images are all listed in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? | 16:12 |
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| crashanddie | developed effort = number of years to develop it | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, can I comment out 1k lines of code and have $1 million? | 16:13 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, who makes else custom images? | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | vdv: those are for flashing /home and MyDocs | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | 85 years? LOL | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | vdv, no one makes custom images | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | too tiresome with all the... | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, lie! | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~optification | 16:14 |
| infobot | i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 | 16:14 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, don't they flash kernel also? | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, yeah... supposed to be 85 person years... (so 1 year for 85 people, or 85 years for one person)... Except this was done in about 6 years by one guy | 16:14 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, where are kernel images then? | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | I thought it took you guys 85 x 365 days | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | COMBINED | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | vdv, in combined images | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, no, this is a COCOMO estimate | 16:15 |
| vdv | and where are combined images? :) | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, from the source code | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-11 15:01:59] <vdv> if i flash my n900, which image is appopriate for that? is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM ok? (described as latest in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php) | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | combined contains modem images for all hardware revisions (although i've only seen one, 2101), 1st bootloader, 2nd bootloader image, kernel, rootfs and | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | i think that's it? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | not all of them have all those parts | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | all combined ones do | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 16:16 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer, so image i've mentioned is combined, right? | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | and they're all flashed at once if -f is supplied without any --flash-only= arguments | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | vdv, hint's in the name, COMBINED ;) | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_***********COMBINED***************_MR0_ARM | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | MR0 is location specific right? | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | which in this case is global | 16:17 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, yes yes, i just don't understand why are you warned me to use combined, even if you saw my post previously | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, pr1.3 | 16:18 |
| infobot | pr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now..... | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I warned you not to bother to flash eMMC with VANILLA image | 16:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | infobot, pr1.3 is also will probably be out in 1/0 days | 16:18 |
| infobot | MohammadAG51: okay | 16:18 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, ok | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, pr1.3 | 16:18 |
| infobot | well, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... will probably be out in 1/0 days | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and "warned" is maybe a too strong term | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | nice syntax, wrong grammar, but meh | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /kickban MohammadAG51 infobot | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol why? | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | 1/0 = infinity :P | 16:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i hope meego doesn't follow the retarded update system maemo uses | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | FIXED? release the damn package | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meego won't - it's FOSS | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | true, i wonder if the same applies for Maemo 6 | 16:22 |
| vdv | flasher says "Unable to enumerate USB devices!" | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | vdv, linux? | 16:22 |
| vdv | yes | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you bet OEMs will still ship major releases and nothing n between, but the patches will be public for more subsystems | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, running as root? | 16:22 |
| vdv | yes :) | 16:23 |
| vdv | shouldn't i? | 16:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | you should | 16:23 |
| * MohammadAG51 wants to flash an N900 using another N900 | 16:24 | |
| * DocScrutinizer scratches head - since when tries flasher to enumerate? | 16:24 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer wants to flash N900 natively ;-P | 16:25 | |
| MohammadAG51 | is there a good ide for gtk/c++? | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vi | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 16:26 |
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| vdv | MohammadAG51, emacs | 16:26 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, emacs :D | 16:26 |
| dimir | :-D | 16:26 |
| * dimir fetches popcorn | 16:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe eclipse | 16:27 |
| vdv | eclipse is cool | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, get a hub, run two OSs simultaniously, then use hostmode | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | use port as a host, the other a client | 16:27 |
| vdv | unanswered post with my problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49256 | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ finally!!! a post about flashing problems | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | was about time | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF is talk.maemo.org? | 16:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | is there a way to write rootfs.jffs2 to an mtd block w/o flasher? | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | if you can, i can probably cook a way to flash the N900 natively | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | found a line in my /etc/hosts: talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1 | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | google jffs2, though I guess you'll need ubifs tools | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | nah, seriously | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | seriously I thought we got ubifs | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | we have ubifs but the image is for god knows what reason called rootfs.jffs2 when unpacking a fiasco image | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc) | 16:31 |
| jaska | probably historical.. like that kp_enter thing :) | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | good old kp_ener.. | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | +t | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | screwit, fix it, it's described on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 16:32 |
| Myrtti | why isn't that on a proper wikipage? | 16:32 |
| Myrtti | no, forget it, nevermind | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I gather it's a bandaid it wfm | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, Jebba does it with his stuff, too. | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | Seems to be a weird trend. | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | maybe flashcp | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | wiki.m.o/some_crappy_uncommented_cmdline_stuff_for_jorg_rws_private_usage_use_on _own_peril | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls, lemme copy the page | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | Writes to the specified MTD device. | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | nandwrite, got it | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I can move this stuff to another server, preferrably one with authentication needed. Better? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: you need to build an image prior to nandwrite, with ubifs tools, loopmount, etc pp | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jaska: your comment makes me scratch my head as well :-) | 16:42 |
| jaska | doc, i patched my osso-xterm to specify vscrollbar-policy GTK_POLICY_NEVER so it doesnt show the fingerscrollbar that doesnt do anything other than consume space :) | 16:42 |
| jaska | it doesnt show it.. but neither will it use the space for the missing 80th character column like it did on n810 | 16:42 |
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| jaska | making sense is optional. | 16:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | jaska, how? i thought osso-xterm was closed source | 16:43 |
| jaska | nah | 16:43 |
| jaska | apt-get source osso-xterm?:) | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaska: I see, those missing 10 pixel | 16:44 |
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| jaska | i thought i had fixed it months ago.. now just patching the kp_enter in my version of vte i thought to look at it again | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaska for president | 16:45 |
| jaska | id prefer god-emperor | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | libvte and osso-xterm are oss, yeah | 16:45 |
| mmlj4 | want to be like obama, huh? | 16:46 |
| jaska | i remember using qwerty12s patches back on diablo | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't emember which patch I am using, I got http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for this to document things | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2705 | 16:47 |
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| jaska | dont think that has the dark grey fix? | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, prolly not | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | just NK-enter | 16:48 |
| jaska | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7164 has the darkgrey thing | 16:50 |
| povbot` | Bug 7164: osso-xterm dark grey color shown as black | 16:50 |
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| wazd | MS UI presentation is kinda silly :) | 17:01 |
| frals | oh is that today? | 17:03 |
| wazd | "I can press the "camera" button and take a photo!" | 17:03 |
| wazd | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/liveEvent.aspx | 17:03 |
| frals | silverlight :| | 17:04 |
| lindi- | says "Microsoft Silverlight Required" | 17:04 |
| wazd | well, I guess that's not a shocker :D | 17:04 |
| frals | nice, in my virtual windows i got a link to play it in windows media player instead | 17:04 |
| lindi- | windows media play does not make this much easier :) | 17:05 |
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| frals | hm, seems i dont have audio in my vm.. :P | 17:06 |
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| wazd | the fanciest thing yet - rotating toolbar icons, that's cool | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OMG!!1!!1 it takes PHOTOS when you press the camera button - *INCREDIBLE* | 17:08 |
| wazd | yeah, that was lame :D | 17:09 |
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| fcrochik | Hi... My first time here... I am trying to package communi (irc qt client) for maemo and got an error with autobuilder that I havent seen before... I would appreciate some help | 17:11 |
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| fcrochik | I created a package for the lib (libircclient-qt) ...all works fine on my scratchbox but the autobuilder didn't like it: | 17:13 |
| fcrochik | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/communi_2.0.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crochik, sounds familiar :-) | 17:13 |
| fcrochik | the error or me? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | you :-D | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | he made the WoL app | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, plus another few | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | fcrochik, hmm, can you specify dependencies manually? | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah | 17:15 |
| fcrochik | Mohammand, I thought that was what I did... I have to say this is not by far my strongest skill | 17:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | fcrochik, then comment out dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules and it should build fine | 17:16 |
| fcrochik | I will try... thanks! | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | you might want to take out the variables in debian/control, line Depends: | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | fcrochik, what does the irc client look like? :) | 17:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm, tray icon, textbrowser(=kinetic scrolling), yay? | 17:17 |
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| fcrochik | I am using it right now.... I like it... | 17:18 |
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| fcrochik | http://bitbucket.org/communi/communi/wiki/Home | 17:19 |
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| fcrochik | Like I said this is my first time using irc (yes...believe or not)... but I already would like to make some changes... like combine all the different channels on one list (replacing the date with the channel name)... and so on... as fas as communi goes I would like to get rid of the tabs on the left and not show some other like "ChanelServ" | 17:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | fcrochik, can you link me to the cauldron list, lost my bookmark on the N900 lol | 17:23 |
| Myrtti | fcrochik: that is dependent on your IRC client, some can do that | 17:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 grabs his usability director's hat, ponders a while, throws hat back to its place and utters 'meh' | 17:24 | |
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| vdv | i'm typing a word, but can't make it's first letter be small, can't i do it with physical keyboard? | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you can | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | try pressing shift | 17:27 |
| marmoute | vdv: you can disabe the auto-caps options too | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | better yet | 17:27 |
| fcrochik | Mohammand, this sounds like a alien language to me ...granted that english is not my first language ... sorry... what is cauldron list? | 17:27 |
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| fcrochik | and sorry for misspelling your nick... :( | 17:27 |
| vdv | marmoute, pressing shift doesn't work | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm disappointed! :P https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/ | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's the mailing list all build results go into | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | wow @ links-hacked | 17:29 |
| marmoute | vdv: in the settings | 17:31 |
| * MohammadAG51 shouts @ the uploader, a makefile isn't going to fix itself! | 17:31 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | wtf http://maemo.org/packages/view/pvrcreator/ | 17:31 |
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| lindi- | MohammadAG51: you mean Mr. unknown <Bonapart@unknown>? | 17:33 |
| * lindi- remembers why he linkes the debian policy... | 17:33 | |
| MohammadAG51 | i uploaded it :/ | 17:33 |
| lindi- | why is Maintainer field with illegal email address? | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | Moo, Mohammad. How are things? | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there'd be another few functions I'd have already implemented to xchat if only python plugin would work: chan tab aliases; metachannels that pick up all highlights and on click link back to the original location in other chan's scrollback; separate subwindow of adjustible size (like 3 lines on bottom) to catch all the join/quit and other configurable msgs... | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course kinetic scroll, that doesn't interfere with highlighting text when you initially drag horizontally instead of vertical | 17:43 |
| fcrochik | Mohammad, it failed again... I commented out the dh_shlibdeps line on debian/rules but got the same error... | 17:43 |
| fcrochik | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/communi_2.0.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 17:43 |
| fcrochik | ooops... my bad!! looking on the old version log! :( | 17:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lindi-, noob | 17:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, fine I guess :) | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then (in xchat) od course fix a few minor things, like decoration of input textfield is much to space consuming, chantabs context menu broken when chantabs are treeview | 17:46 |
| lindi- | MohammadAG51: use lintian | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lindian ? | 17:47 |
| lindi- | DocScrutinizer: Debian package checker | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlintian :-P | 17:48 |
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| lindi- | DocScrutinizer: and then there's http://piuparts.debian.org/ | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lindi-: just kidding :-) | 17:49 |
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| PhonicUK | wooo i have Android on my N900 :) | 17:50 |
| PhonicUK | works well after a few reboots | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for the above lengthy comment about xchat, which was addressed to MohammadAG51 and RST38h I guess | 17:50 |
| fcrochik | For some reason it did not like my description (maybe too long lines) but it built. In other words: communi is available on extras-devel if anyone wants to try it | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | andridiot, pffft | 17:51 |
| wmarone | [QUOTE=DavidWilliams312;838339]On the contrary, I wish it did have basic functionality that a business grade phone should have like sync with Outlook, MSOffice application converter/reader...other phones have![/QUOTE] | 17:51 |
| wmarone | doh | 17:51 |
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| * wmarone ponders why cut didn't take text out of the chat window | 17:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | eh?? | 17:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why wmarone didn't expect cut to take out a part of the LCD | 17:53 | |
| * wmarone takes a knife to his screen | 17:53 | |
| * MohammadAG51 needs a PH0 | 17:54 | |
| PhonicUK | this is sweet | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | screen's getting lose, that's what happens when you forget it on your bed cover and smack it | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | still new though | 17:55 |
| flux | I wonder what my pulseaudio is doing.. I'm not playing anything, I've disconnected the bt headset but it still takes 20% cpu | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | wmarone, i used a knife on my screen protector | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | just for the fun of it | 17:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kill it with fiar | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flux: PA is crap | 18:02 |
| maybeArgh | no, PA is great | 18:04 |
| maybeArgh | our feeble minds are just not capable to grasp all of its glory | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: issues like the one you described are very common, and basically there are 3 things that can be done: 1) reboot, 2) killall pulsaudio 3) get rid of PA all together and make maemo use a sane more bugfree audio subsystem | 18:04 |
| flux | docscrutinizer, in increasing order of task size?-) | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | or in increasing order of correct way to tackle the BS | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's a sane more bugfree audio subsystem? | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nota bene I didn't bother to mention 0) fix PA | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: e.g. ALSA? | 18:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | heh nitdroid does that | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | i really don't get why nokia hardcoded most shit on the N900 | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | use available mic, not only the one specified in pulseaduio | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | err? | 18:09 |
| Corsac | because maemo5 wouldn't ever be used outside of n900 anyway? | 18:09 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, all of those things sound amazing. | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: which things? | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: reboot? or ALSA? | 18:11 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, XChat. | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 18:13 |
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| crashanddie | beeee | 18:22 |
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| vdv | how can i disable usb connection without removing cable? | 18:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | What do you mean by disable USB connection | 18:23 |
| crashanddie | vdv use a knife, cut cable in half | 18:23 |
| vdv | :) | 18:23 |
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| vdv | when i plugin cable it asks to choose connection type, synchro, usb mass or just acc | 18:24 |
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| vdv | now, when i connect as usb mass device then want to disconnect, but without getting cable off | 18:24 |
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| vdv | for example with usb mass storage mode file manager shows nothing | 18:25 |
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| Divan | hi guys, is there any list of all maemo dbus events? | 18:26 |
| vdv | and which folder in filesystem corresponds to one which is opened on pc when in usb mass storage mode? | 18:26 |
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| Divan | /home/user/MyDocs | 18:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | VDV: unplug the other end of the cable | 18:27 |
| wazd | jrocha: ping? :) | 18:27 |
| jrocha | wazd, pong | 18:27 |
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| wazd | jrocha: o/ :) Thanks again for SeriesFinale, awesome application :) | 18:28 |
| jrocha | wazd, hey, no problem | 18:28 |
| wazd | jrocha: have you received my e-mail? :) | 18:28 |
| vdv | Divan, thanks, one more question, is there any way to do TAB-completion in shell? | 18:28 |
| jrocha | yes but I was waiting until the end of the day to reply it | 18:28 |
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| vdv | Divan, ah, sorry, there's a button on screen | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | There was a hak somewhere rthat put a tab button on the bar | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry - it's there already | 18:29 |
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| jrocha | wazd, ^ | 18:29 |
| wazd | jrocha: ah, ok :) | 18:30 |
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| Divan | vdv. Ctrl-I as well | 18:30 |
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| yacc | Any howtos to compile your own kernel for the N900? | 18:31 |
| alterego | Well, I've got my proper work contracts out of the way :) | 18:31 |
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| alterego | So I can start working on my projects again :D | 18:31 |
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| yacc | (I'd like to add the compcache patch so that unused swap gets immediatly freed), ... | 18:31 |
| vis | the right image to try meego on n900 is the handset one? not core? | 18:32 |
| hrw | yacc: maemo wiki has few pages about it | 18:32 |
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| yacc | hrw, well, I've been hoping that somebody has already added compcache, ... | 18:32 |
| yacc | :-P | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | vis: yes, handset's the right one | 18:33 |
| vis | thanks | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | vis: we hang out in #meego-arm if you have additional questions | 18:33 |
| jrocha | wazd, you can send me your suggestions about the design | 18:33 |
| jrocha | wazd, I appreciate them | 18:33 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: btw - how good is n900 supported with 2.6.35-meego kernel? | 18:33 |
| wazd | jrocha: cool, will do :) | 18:34 |
| jrocha | wazd, but I can't promise you I'll follow them | 18:34 |
| yacc | (and it's not only about performance in numbers, it's also about usability, with the eMMC swap, my N900 becomes mostly unusable when 256MB are in use or so. With compcache on my desktop the same things happens [with different numbers] with hdd swap. With compcache swap the swap gets used up in seconds, and after that the OOM killer starts it work.) | 18:34 |
| wazd | jrocha: ah, it's all up to you ofcourse :) | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: we don't have DVFS yet, but i guess it's better to ask what we don't have | 18:34 |
| wazd | hello all btw :) | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw: or rather, if we have something | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: excepting SGX everything should be upstream | 18:34 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: does TI sgx works or does meego require special versions? | 18:35 |
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| yacc | With the existing 256MB RAM and 768MB eMMC, the devices trashes into unusability long before the swap fills up, ... | 18:35 |
| yacc | Not good. | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: well, sgx libs usually match into a certain kernel driver | 18:35 |
| hrw | yacc: put class6 microsd card inside and place swap there? | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: so the ones we have in kernel match the ones we have in non-oss | 18:36 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: sure. | 18:36 |
| yacc | I prefer a dead browser to a phone that is unusable (and can probably not take calls, but for sure cannot read/answer SMS) for 30-120 minutes till the swap fill up and processes start to die. | 18:36 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: linaro guys have sgx and ogles working on omap3 with ubuntu 10.10 with 2.6.35 so should work also on n900 | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: yeah, should | 18:37 |
| yacc | hrw, actually I seem to have benchmarked 12MB/s reads on the internal eMMC if I remember right (the N900 is still a new toy for me, I'm in week 2 of my N900 adventure), so a class 6 SDHC won't help. | 18:37 |
| hrw | yacc: talk.maemo.org + search "swapolube" | 18:37 |
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| alterego | I've noticed abill_uk seems to have dissappeared :) | 18:38 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: anyway as I have just one n900 I prefer to use maemo on it. have nitroid installed on uSD but n900 lacks android keys | 18:38 |
| alterego | Maybe he finally blew up all of his N900's when trying to hack OTG | 18:38 |
| yacc | Do I need only swappolube or also the nogui package? | 18:38 |
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| hrw | first | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: i just hope he ended up choking on his n900 after the tmo deathsquad found him | 18:39 |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:40 |
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| dsg | What is "tmo"? (seen that reference a lot around here) | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | talk.maemo.org | 18:42 |
| dsg | ah | 18:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or tmobile | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | which can confuse | 18:43 |
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| GAN900 | yacc, writes are what kill you. :) | 18:45 |
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| jaska | hmm, even if i remove the HildonPannableArea from osso-xterm it still misses pixels horizontally :( | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: don't summon him by speaking his name :-P | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | t-mobile usually is T-Mo | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not tmo | 18:53 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 18:55 |
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| alterego | Too late ... | 18:55 |
| alterego | My contract upgrade is burning a hole in my pocket | 18:55 |
| alterego | I've tried to order an N8 a few times but luckily as I Was using the wrong card the website wouldn't let me upgrade. Now I'm thinking of waiting anyway. | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: probably he'd otherwise jump on MohammadAG51's thread " [Testers needed] USB Hostmode prealpha for the N900" and explain this can not work without his hw tweaks | 18:56 |
| alterego | Though an N8 would be neat for using whilst I hack with MeeGo on the N900 | 18:56 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:56 |
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| alterego | Yeah, the amount of times I told him we didn't need any hardware mods for hostmode ... | 18:56 |
| alterego | He made me so angry. | 18:56 |
| D-Iivil | Who? | 18:56 |
| alterego | abill_uk | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | in-A-Bill | 18:57 |
| alterego | Annoying user on t.m.o | 18:57 |
| alterego | unabill_uk .. | 18:57 |
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| alterego | He had some of the worst command of the English language on t.m.o and, he's supposed to be English .. | 18:57 |
| alterego | I feel somewhat ashamed. | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, please respect other "engineers" xP | 18:57 |
| D-Iivil | :D | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha | 18:58 |
| alterego | Hah | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I like to keep it this way | 19:01 |
| D-Iivil | I don't understand facebook addicts... | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | my school doesn't have any other ways of getting photos from me | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | otherwise i'd deactivate, permanently | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, me neither, it's a waste of time | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | i know people who spend more than half their day on facebook | 19:01 |
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| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: it was cool when it "came" for little while. But the hype went away pretty fast for me. | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | first half = sleep, second half = facebook, third half = real useful work | 19:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | and we all know third halves don't exist | 19:02 |
| DangerMaus | but they never | 19:02 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:02 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, i never liked it | 19:02 |
| alterego | I use it as a tool. | 19:02 |
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| D-Iivil | shit, gotta go. | 19:02 |
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| alterego | I don't play games, I barely ever update my "status". | 19:02 |
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| alterego | I just use it to share photos | 19:03 |
| alterego | And "networking" .. | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | i use it as a place to store photos for the school, and send messages/chat | 19:03 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: yeah, exactly. | 19:03 |
| alterego | I've deleted pretty much every game from being displayed on my wall. | 19:03 |
| alterego | Besides, facebook is kind of cool for informal stalking of girls. | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | status, hmm, how do you update that again? :P | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | last time i updated it would be long long before March | 19:03 |
| alterego | I mean, making friends with women. | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, I get what you mean | 19:04 |
| alterego | I mean, finding out where that girl you met in the bar lives. | 19:04 |
| alterego | Oh wait, I mean. | 19:04 |
| alterego | Oh, I should give up :D | 19:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | some of my classmates go through others' friends lists and add peeps they don't know | 19:04 |
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| alterego | tbh, I think I can count the amount of people I've actually requested to be facebook friends on one hand. I've got, lets see, 152 "friends" but I actually know every single one of them personally. | 19:05 |
| alterego | And 99.9% added me ;) | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, some girl here has 4900+ friends | 19:06 |
| alterego | Urgh, I know a couple that have that. | 19:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i wonder how fast her news feed scrolls | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | or if the js code just collapses :p | 19:06 |
| alterego | Two of them are university wannabe politicions. And the other is a vein, anorexic wannabe fashion photographer/model. | 19:07 |
| alterego | Go figure ;) | 19:07 |
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| * SpeedEvil uses twitter slightly. | 19:07 | |
| alterego | Heh, indeed. | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | But just for monitoring the status of people I actually need to interact with. | 19:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'x will be available in y minutes' is actually quite handy | 19:07 |
| * MohammadAG51 lost interest in twitter after losing interest in symbian | 19:07 | |
| alterego | Hah | 19:07 |
| alterego | I was never really interested in Twitter, | 19:08 |
| alterego | I think one social network is good enough tbh. | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | Gravity was just awesome on symbian | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | the UI of gravity got me into twitter | 19:08 |
| alterego | Though I guess twitter is 100% public isn't it? But a bit more annonymous | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | twitter's for internet friends imo | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | No, its not 100% public - you can do private | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | facebook for irl | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | though rl beats online rl | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | And my twitter account cannot be traced back to any other online activities. | 19:09 |
| * MohammadAG51 didn't you had a twitter account | 19:09 | |
| alterego | I've been going out with this girl for a year and a half now, and everytime we have an argument she changes her relationship status on facebook. | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:10 |
| alterego | It's quite annoying, but, meh :) | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 19:10 |
| alterego | To get my own back though, I did it to her last week. | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be _really_useful_ if she'd actually include the real reason. | 19:10 |
| * MohammadAG51 has it as single, will always be that way on facebook | 19:10 | |
| Stskeeps | alterego: facebook has this irritating feature that it shows the updated status before the other person accepts.. | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | regardless of rl | 19:10 |
| alterego | You wouldn't believe the hipocritical bs I got for that maneuver ^.^ | 19:10 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: hah :) | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: me and my wife's engagement leaked a little too early cos of that :) | 19:11 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: I'm not sure I want other girls on fbook knowing the size of my member tbh | 19:11 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: you proposed to your wife on facebook? :P | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: no, i'm not that silly | 19:11 |
| alterego | Did you attempt to change your relationship status before you gave her the ring ;) | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | and what ring | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:11 |
| alterego | Heh, I wonder if some sad muppet has actually use a facebook status request as an engagement method | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | she said yes anyway, so i knew she was of the right caliber :) | 19:12 |
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| alterego | I don't even know why I'm asking that question, it's obvious there are a million people out there that would do that. | 19:12 |
| alterego | Hell, I probably personally know some of 'em. | 19:12 |
| alterego | I noticed in Dexter this week, he has an N8! | 19:13 |
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| ieatlint | come on, text based communication is the more awesome way to tell people major news these days | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | You know when you have the right calibre of girl when she fits in your circus cannon just right. | 19:13 |
| ieatlint | i think you have things backwards there... | 19:14 |
| alterego | Hahah | 19:14 |
| alterego | woof | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, i'm assuming you're stskeeps there? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | on twitter? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | i never say anything interesting | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | no, fb | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | there was some facebook.com/stskeeps guy, i see it's deactivated now | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: there's this malay guy who impersonated me.. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | no iea why | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 19:16 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:16 |
| * MohammadAG51 invites DocScrutinizer to facebook | 19:16 | |
| MohammadAG51 | you know you want to :P | 19:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer larts MohammadAG51 | 19:16 | |
| * MohammadAG51 makes an account for DocScrutinizer using his openmoko address | 19:17 | |
| MohammadAG51 | facebook doesn't require email activation btw :P | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | Hello, Stskeeps, you malay pole... =) | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/11/windows_phone7_launch/ | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | alterego, well: http://www.willyoumarrymekc.com/geeky-proposals/ | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | slashdot case is very popular :D | 19:23 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, no copy paste cracks me up. | 19:25 |
| GAN900 | The Apple media will surely stomp all over them for that. | 19:26 |
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| frals | w7phone doesnt look that bad | 19:29 |
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| MohammadAG51 | frals, you're right, it looks like shit :P | 19:31 |
| alterego | frals: but looks are only 99.9% of a smartphones usefulness. | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | WP7: making MeeGo look good since 2010. | 19:32 |
| RST38h | GAN: oh well, not like I expected anything different from MS | 19:32 |
| frals | the video i saw looked good, cept they couldve cut the transition animation time by 90% | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | wrong, looks are everything, according to iFans :p | 19:32 |
| frals | email client looked nice imo :p | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL Jaffa | 19:32 |
| korhojoa | Jaffa, :D | 19:33 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah, $10 it'll be just as boring as iOS after a week, though? | 19:33 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Actually, making gadgets feel like precious pieces of artisanship is not such a bad idea | 19:34 |
| GAN900 | ^ | 19:35 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Chronometerwatches sell for thounsands | 19:35 |
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| GAN900 | People like things that are well engineered an pretty. | 19:35 |
| RST38h | GAN: Well, most Nokias are well engineered, but pretty they are not... | 19:35 |
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| RST38h | most engineering is on the inside, sadly | 19:36 |
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| vdv | have anyone installed gcc on n900? | 19:47 |
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| flux | vdv, speedevil has | 19:47 |
| vdv | SpeedEvil, i can't find packages in repositories, how did you install gcc? | 19:49 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 19:51 |
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| alterego | Still can't get my head around the Qt Designer / qml | 19:52 |
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| alterego | QML is fine, I can do it just editing it in an editor | 19:53 |
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| alterego | But the designer, I dunno, I'm just aweful with wysiwyg editors | 19:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, and I agree, but functionality shouldn't be sacrificied for looks | 20:01 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Actually, it is inevitable, unless you are an absolute genius | 20:01 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Apple achieves what it achieves by making a list of usage cases for the device and then polishing every usagecase to perfection | 20:02 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Of course, this means that their functionality will be limited to these use cases | 20:02 |
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| inz | vdv, isn't gcc in http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free | 20:03 |
| RST38h | If you make the device more functional, new use cases spring up, and the device will not be optimized for them, hence seeming "unpolished" feel | 20:03 |
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| RST38h | So, in short, there is no way to make your Maemo/Meego device as polished as iPhone :) | 20:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, regardless, the iPhone's GFX card is the same as the N900, but the N900 lags more | 20:03 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Because nobody optimized 3D on N900 | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | Nokia could've added vsync easily, BEFORE they actually started development | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | now it's just too late, at least for Maemo 5 | 20:04 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: My guess is that it will be "late" for every Nokia device | 20:04 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: All Maemo devices (770, 800, 810, 900) are known to have these unfortunate little problems | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | and I really love maemo 5's UI,the concept at least | 20:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, vsync works on the N900, and it works well, cept for some X crashes, they were too lazy to do it | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: The more stuff gets open sourced, the better | 20:07 |
| RST38h | Not that it automatically means someone will fix it | 20:07 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, true, but some stuff can't be open sourced | 20:08 |
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| johnsq | so many developers and nobody knows what Reverse Engineering was. | 20:09 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Problems with X and vsync on Maemo sounds similar to the problems Stskeeps has described with the vsync gfx drivers for N900 MeeGo | 20:10 |
| RST38h | johnsq: so, i assume you have done some reverse engineering on maemo? | 20:12 |
| GAN900 | Anybody think Nokia will ever ship a device with non-tearing graphics? | 20:12 |
| johnsq | RST38h: no, but 20 years ago. | 20:12 |
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| RST38h | johnsq: then do not complain about the lack of smart developers. | 20:13 |
| RST38h | GAN: Any S60 phone with double buffering? =) | 20:13 |
| johnsq | RST38h: than don't complain about not open source. | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Like, you know, N95? :) | 20:13 |
| jarkkom | at least S60 apps on symbian are double buffered by default, even though it's because of some limitation of qt/symbian | 20:14 |
| jarkkom | oops meant qt apps on S60 | 20:14 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, Symbian doesn't count. | 20:22 |
| GAN900 | But my 5800 was tear city. | 20:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | VDV: I would recommend copying / to /home/user/chroot - and then installing gcc in a chroot there | 20:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply as dev packages together are huge and not optified | 20:23 |
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| flux | vdv, I don't know how he did, but I think that in principle the gcc in the scratchbox-based sdk should work | 20:31 |
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| vdv | SpeedEvil, why in chroot, i don't fully undestand idea | 20:34 |
| vdv | *understand | 20:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | VDV: so you don't waste space in / | 20:36 |
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| vdv | ah, storage in / is limited, right? | 20:37 |
| vdv | i don't yet understand how 32Gb distributes in all filesystem | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | 256M in / - not part of the 32G | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity.. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | if meego was to deploy onto emmc, how would you partition it? | 20:39 |
| vdv | and opt is on the same partition as / ? | 20:39 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, very carefully! | 20:39 |
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| DrWilken | opt is the same as /home and is on eMMC | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | 2G in /home/user/ - as ext2 - which is also opt | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: well, how'd you partition it? | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | remainder of space is swap and mydocs - which is 30G | 20:40 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Assuming base OS size == ? | 20:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I'd slice off 4G for it probably | 20:40 |
| * Jaffa was going to say 3GB for base OS, 2GB for /home and rest as VFAT for media. | 20:40 | |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: ~700mb atm i think | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | this is with sample media and such | 20:41 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Sample media is under /home? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/share/sample-media at first | 20:41 |
| DrWilken | I have 8GB for /home on maemo. Don't like to run out of space. | 20:41 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Presumably an actual release wouldn't ship with too much | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, is the source of the initrd image available? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: of our initrd? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: it's in gitorious i think | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | the way we're thinking about doing it .. or at least i am: kernel that boots into a initrd that exports emmc as usb mass storage | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: And then how'd you write & partition it in a cross-platform way? | 20:44 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: How's eMMC speed compared with various classes of SD? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's the other challenge | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: better | 20:44 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed :-) | 20:44 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Better approach might be: download image to VFAT on eMMC. Run a Maemo app which repartitions (using something like gparted) and expands | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: maybe, but ideally we shouldn't bootstrap using maemo.. | 20:46 |
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| tobis87 | p1 swap swap 512mb, p2 / ubifs 4gb, p3 /home jfs 8gb, p4 extended partion, p5 /media/data (logical) jfs the rest | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's all btrfs and vfat, i think | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: It's identical to my cheap 1G microSD. at ~12M/s | 20:48 |
| tobis87 | why? brtfs is not stable and vfat has an huge overhead | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | architectual choices | 20:49 |
| tobis87 | xfs is too much, ext3 is too slow, jfs would be fast on arm. | 20:49 |
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| tobis87 | vfat for windows, ok... but why brtfs? s there no valid alternative without oracle | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'd use zfs | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | jfs was pretty painful on sd/mmc-type storage the last time I tested | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | atleast btrfs has had some consideration for mmc | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, oh nice, you imported i2c-tools | 20:53 |
| tobis87 | yes, but it is quite new, remember the problems with ext4... | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: hmm? | 20:53 |
| TomaszD_ | anyone knows how to swap mouse buttons under linux? | 20:54 |
| TomaszD_ | my middle button is almost dead, | 20:54 |
| ShadowJK | I'd actually want LogFS, but it's even more untested than btrfs :) | 20:54 |
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| MohammadAG | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_i2c-tools Stskeeps | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | TomaszD_: Open device, replace button, close device. | 20:55 |
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| DrWilken | TomaszD_: Depends on distro. Some use hal, some udev etc. Google it for Your distro. | 20:57 |
| jacekowski | udev is a must | 20:57 |
| jacekowski | all distros use udev | 20:57 |
| DrWilken | agreed :) | 20:57 |
| jacekowski | and hal goes on top of that | 20:57 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: But with a "mount as mass storage" approach, you're going to have to write an unpacker & partitioner for Windows, Linux and maybe OS X | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: well, or just provide an image that can be repartitioned with relative ease | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i wonder how flasher does it.. | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Oh, using a dd equivalent to write it | 20:59 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Or even flasher-3.5 to write the eMMC image | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | that one is a problem since softupd on device side isn't oss | 21:00 |
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| vdv | where goes all apps which are installed by manager? in / ? | 21:07 |
| DrWilken | Most goes to /opt | 21:07 |
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| DrWilken | = /home | 21:07 |
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| vdv | and /home/user too, right | 21:08 |
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| DrWilken | actually /home/opt | 21:09 |
| vdv | hmm | 21:09 |
| vdv | "/home, /home/user, /home/opt, /opt are all mountpoints for same device, not? | 21:09 |
| DrWilken | /home/user should only contain *user* config files. | 21:10 |
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| DrWilken | check installed files with dpkg -L packagename | 21:10 |
| vdv | and is physically on / ? | 21:10 |
| DrWilken | no | 21:10 |
| vdv | a little bit confusing schema | 21:11 |
| DrWilken | Yes | 21:11 |
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| DrWilken | / fs is only 256mb | 21:12 |
| vdv | so, i can't just do cp -r /* /home/user/chroot | 21:12 |
| vdv | do i understand right? | 21:12 |
| tobis87 | the files are sym linked from /home/opt/maemo/usr/bin to /usr/bin | 21:12 |
| DrWilken | Yes, but do You really want to copy everything to that dir | 21:13 |
| DrWilken | -r means recursive | 21:13 |
| vdv | yes, but gcc needs full chroot env, not? | 21:13 |
| DrWilken | you might want a -p (preserve permissions) too :) | 21:14 |
| vdv | :) | 21:14 |
| vdv | i've misunderstood SpeedEvil | 21:14 |
| DrWilken | yes but why would You want to copy /home/user/MyDocs for example? :) | 21:14 |
| DrWilken | that's also a subdir of / | 21:14 |
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| vdv | but cp don't copy dirs | 21:15 |
| DrWilken | Yes, with -r | 21:15 |
| DrWilken | recursive | 21:15 |
| vdv | shouldn't i have bin, etc, usr under /home/user/chroot ? | 21:15 |
| DrWilken | and / alone isn't enough | 21:16 |
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| vdv | and maybe with some --exclude flag | 21:16 |
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| DrWilken | that'll do the trick. | 21:16 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5660933/how-to-add-an-iphone-hud-dock-to-your-ipad++and-get-true-multitasking | 21:16 |
| RST38h | true multitasking, yeah | 21:17 |
| johnsq | vdv: man cp ; cp -ax | 21:17 |
| DrWilken | Or google chrooting :) | 21:18 |
| DrWilken | basically everything You need to be accessible in Your chroot needs to be copied (libraries, binaries etc.) | 21:19 |
| DrWilken | What about easy-chroot? | 21:19 |
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| DrWilken | ;) | 21:20 |
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| DrWilken | Hmm. That doesn't help much. You still need to create the contents. | 21:21 |
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| kureta | is Sebastian Lauwers here? | 21:24 |
| Myrtti | crashanddie: pingpong ^ | 21:25 |
| crashanddie | pong | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-community@maemo.org/msg02707.html | 21:26 |
| Myrtti | for future reference: /who is a great tool | 21:26 |
| * DrWilken is liking communi IRC | 21:26 | |
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| tobis87 | Stskeeps: How long did you waited for the new flash library? I hope they will accept my request, since I could only enter my university. | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | tobis87: 1-2 days | 21:28 |
| crashanddie | kureta: I'm Sebastian | 21:28 |
| kureta | hi | 21:29 |
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| kureta | i am skureta | 21:29 |
| kureta | from twitter | 21:29 |
| kureta | i was hoping to get more info on injection driver | 21:29 |
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| crashanddie | Yeah, I figured | 21:29 |
| tobis87 | Stskeeps: Ok, I hope I will get it and not every lemming will request it now or they might get pissed off. | 21:29 |
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| dRbiG | mhm | 21:38 |
| tobis87 | Btw, news from the maintainer of the crypto hw accel for omap. He was able to reproduce the bugs I found and it seems it is a hardware bug which can be found on every omap. This means it is very likely that we will see a workaround. | 21:38 |
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| kerio | wouldn't a hardware bug be a living creature? | 21:39 |
| DrWilken | :) | 21:39 |
| dRbiG | it'd be a very tiny bug :) | 21:40 |
| tobis87 | Well a cpu errata if you like. :-D | 21:40 |
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| tobis87 | Are there any news regarding thumb and smartreflex? I know that there a different revisions of the cpu inside the n900, the cpu which is used since hardware revision 2101 is newer and only these support hw accel., maybe thumb and/or smartreflex are fixed on the newer onces. | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | thumb is working | 21:49 |
| DrWilken | Mine is 2101 and I got in december 09 | 21:49 |
| jacekowski | smartreflex is not | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | how do you get the 2101? | 21:49 |
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| jacekowski | bootloader is thumb | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I have 2101 | 21:49 |
| DrWilken | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | this was in the first batch of devices delivered to the UK | 21:50 |
| DrWilken | same for DK | 21:50 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: Ok, I only have heard that some had problems with thumb. | 21:50 |
| tobis87 | but MohammedAG had a problem regarding thumb for Ubuntu on the n900. | 21:51 |
| jacekowski | bootloader is thumb as i said | 21:52 |
| DrWilken | cpu is rev 3 (v71) | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | it took me a while to realise that | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | because it wouldn't decompile as arm | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | and then i tried thumb | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | and it worked | 21:52 |
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| tobis87 | I got my device very late, my hw rev is 2104. The maintainer told me that I would need 2101 at least for it to work, so there must be devices which are older and I thought that these devices might have been sold. | 21:55 |
| DrWilken | what cpu rev is it? | 21:56 |
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| DrWilken | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Proc | 21:56 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: I was wrong, MohammedAG meant thumb2 support. | 21:56 |
| tobis87 | DrWilken: I know how I can do it. But I have to start it first. :) | 21:57 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, that's kernel problem | 21:57 |
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| DrWilken | :) just curious :) | 21:57 |
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| DrWilken | Also are features different from 2101? | 21:58 |
| DrWilken | Features: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 | 21:59 |
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| tobis87 | jacekowski: Anyway, does gcc in scratchbox support thumb2 instructions? | 21:59 |
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| jacekowski | rev 3 v71 on mine | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: dunno | 22:00 |
| tobis87 | dito, rev 3 (v71) | 22:00 |
| DrWilken | Jace - 2101? | 22:00 |
| DrWilken | ok | 22:00 |
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| jacekowski | dunno | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | where is that number? | 22:02 |
| DrWilken | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Rev | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 22:02 |
| tobis87 | But I only get: swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 | 22:02 |
| tobis87 | DrWilken: Powerkernel? | 22:03 |
| DrWilken | yes | 22:03 |
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| DrWilken | thumbee | 22:03 |
| DrWilken | googling that :) | 22:03 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: You can get the revision nuber with the new flasher, I sent you once, flasher.rover -i | 22:04 |
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| DrWilken | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0344c/ch16s04s04.html | 22:05 |
| DrWilken | You might want to read that :) | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | 2101 | 22:05 |
| DrWilken | thumb-2 | 22:05 |
| tobis87 | DrWilken: And thumb, but it does not make sense, if the compiler does not support creating the instructions. | 22:06 |
| DrWilken | nope :/ | 22:07 |
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| trumee | wifi on N900 bit disappointing. winshit pc shows 46% signal but N900 sees it and drops it | 22:10 |
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| trumee | N900 connects momentarily and few minutes later drops it. | 22:10 |
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| trumee | the wifi signal itself is poor. is there anyway i can make N900 connect better even with high power usage? | 22:11 |
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| trumee | i have already disabled PSM mode | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | it has very small builtin antenna | 22:12 |
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| jacekowski | don't expect magic | 22:12 |
| trumee | right | 22:12 |
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| pupnik | what's the thing to get in 2011 | 22:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: two n900s from ebay | 22:13 |
| pupnik | i do like resistive screen | 22:13 |
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| mece | cheap? | 22:13 |
| DrWilken | :) | 22:13 |
| pupnik | i suspect their used prices are fairly high? | 22:13 |
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| jacekowski | i got myself a brand new shiny fluke meter | 22:14 |
| pupnik | 340-580 euro, avg around 380-400 | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, cat /proc/cpuinfo: Features : swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 VERSUS Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 | 22:15 |
| tobis87 | DrWilken: Ok, found the fix. http://pastebin.com/FLCVKqfb But I don't know any app which needs it, so it does not matter. And "flushes the branch target cache at every context switch" sounds like a handbrake to me. | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | thumb and thumbee only on the 'older' one | 22:16 |
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| jacekowski | thumbee? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka PR1.1 | 22:17 |
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| jacekowski | have you tried changing just bootloader | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I've successfully merged matan's hildon-desktop with mine | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | now there's no need for a separate package, and I must say, ALT+Tab is AWESOME! | 22:17 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: No, he has the powerkernel installed, the powerkernel has thumb and thumbee enabled. Which requieres the fix I posted | 22:17 |
| jacekowski | if it's kernel or bootloader related | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes, indeed | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: who's "he"? | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | what I quoted were my both N900, one with thumb being my original one ~1.5y old, with PR1.1 plus MohammadAG's hostmode-kernel | 22:19 |
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| pupnik | nice to see these hacks | 22:20 |
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| DrWilken | tobis87 - ack :) | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so you suggest I update the mhd download for alt-tab and cpu-hog fix another time? | 22:21 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: DrWilken also has thumb enabled, but he uses the powerkernel. | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's no longer mhd :) | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | it's hd now | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's mohammad's hd now :-P | 22:22 |
| DrWilken | Nice MohammadAG... :) Link? | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | uploading | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | lol DocScrutinizer | 22:23 |
| DrWilken | :) | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen matan | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so mhd still looks correct | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 22:24 |
| infobot | matan <530f167a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.15.22.122> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 25d 11h 30m 24s ago, saying: 'morning'. | 22:24 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, I just hate having lots of hildon-desktops | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn laggy bot | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | if only thp's patches could be added as a gconf setting | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG | it would be the ultimate hildon-desktop | 22:24 |
| tobis87 | Sorry, but I don't understand it. PR 1.1 and the powerkernel have thumb enabled, but PR 1.2 and the hostmode kernel don't have it? | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | thp patches? | 22:25 |
| luke-jr_ | MohammadAG: how do you alt-tab w/o tab? | 22:25 |
| DrWilken | I'm using PR1.2 and power kernel | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | pr1.1 plus hostmode kenel has thumb | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | yes, Thomas | 22:25 |
| pupnik | a 5 row keyboard with tab, esc, del and proper ctrl/fn/alt/shift... would be so nice | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63419 | 22:26 |
| tobis87 | Well, I mean the kernel which is supplied with the pr's, of course you can use another. | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092 | 22:26 |
| pupnik | just takes 2 more rows and 3 more columns :) | 22:26 |
| luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: Ovi sucks. | 22:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 22:27 | |
| MohammadAG | pupnik, the keyboard isn't open source :P | 22:27 |
| luke-jr_ | what kind of idiot web developer uses Flash to display an image? | 22:27 |
| pupnik | well no but how about some fancy renders | 22:28 |
| DrWilken | It's mp4 | 22:28 |
| luke-jr_ | fine. s/image/video/ | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's dunno what video | 22:28 |
| pupnik | how bout user-swappable keyboards | 22:29 |
| luke-jr_ | pupnik: eInk keyboard. | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | blargh | 22:29 |
| pupnik | sorry, need decent click and pressure | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 22:29 |
| luke-jr_ | pupnik: no reason eInk can't go inside physical keys. | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, DrWilken http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=838656&postcount=238 | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nintendo DS with virtual kbd on lower screen -no thanks | 22:30 |
| pupnik | ah i see what you mean luke-jr_ -- some day,, fine | 22:30 |
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| luke-jr_ | some company already produces OLED keyboards | 22:30 |
| DrWilken | Thx MohammadAG :) Will give it a go... brb | 22:30 |
| luke-jr_ | I think before eInk came out | 22:31 |
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| pupnik | Imagine a n810 size device with a 4.5" screen, very small bezel, 3000mAh battery ... and swappable keyboards for different tastes | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: errm, do I really want that? | 22:31 |
| luke-jr_ | pupnik: swappable kb would take too much space I think | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 22:32 |
| luke-jr_ | pupnik: eInk kb would allow apps to redefine keys too | 22:32 |
| luke-jr_ | pupnik: think games which layout the kb for gaming | 22:32 |
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| luke-jr_ | pupnik: and C760-size is better ;P | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I need no faster kinetic scrolling in applauncher | 22:32 |
| pupnik | luke-jr_: we have a tendency to disagree on what would be cool to have, i think. pretty reliably. | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got AppMeFo | 22:32 |
| VladNistor | thanks MohammadAG :) | 22:33 |
| pupnik | but it's like that - everyone has their own dream-mix | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: the keybord *is* as swappable as it gets | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | swapping keymat actually is a snap | 22:34 |
| luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: O.o | 22:35 |
| pupnik | well, for e.g. field-swappable would be 4 torx screws and pull-straight-up without dismantling anything else | 22:35 |
| pupnik | ok | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | takes like 5 minutes to swap my qwerty to wertzu | 22:35 |
| vdv | where's Alt(Meta) key on keyboard? :) | 22:35 |
| luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: how does N900 deal with different maps in software? | 22:36 |
| pupnik | and yet, the N900 isn't advertised as having a swappable keyboard, DocScrutinizer | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: it's 2 torx, the rest is exactly what you say | 22:36 |
| luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: and can you swap those without rebooting? | 22:36 |
| pupnik | hm | 22:36 |
| pupnik | ty DocScrutinizer :) | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: yes, *I* can | 22:36 |
| luke-jr_ | lol | 22:36 |
| dRbiG | xkbmap? | 22:36 |
| luke-jr_ | just not me :p | 22:37 |
| pupnik | Doc does know many things | 22:37 |
| luke-jr_ | I can't because Id be too scared at this point | 22:37 |
| pupnik | minitube needs so many features ... i swear .. | 22:37 |
| pupnik | no rotation support... no buffering settings | 22:37 |
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| GAN900 | You know what's tempting? A Pre 2. | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | wrong formfactor | 22:40 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, mostly. | 22:40 |
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| GAN900 | And probably still crappy resolution | 22:41 |
| DrWilken | MohammadAG - Works... :) | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly I'll trade in N900 for nothing less than a N810-improved-GSM-edition | 22:42 |
| DrWilken | had to dpkg -r modified-hildon-desktop and reinstall the new one ;) | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: a omap3 n810 would be nice | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | with proper GSM chipset - yes | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically a N900 in a N810 case | 22:44 |
| thp | MohammadAG: you can refactor the changes into gconf-able settings ;) | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | all those portrait mode phones like MotoQ9 or pre, no thanks. All those capacitive ts, and esp those "we don't need any buttons" phones - yuck | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | thp, true, I need to learn about gconf though | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | have mercy and don't snatch away my NIT formfactor | 22:46 |
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| pupnik | anyone got a chinese uncle? | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:47 |
| dRbiG | wanna buy one? :) | 22:47 |
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| DrWilken | Ebay? | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sean's university room mate had, that's how Openmoko came to life | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or at least that's the legend | 22:49 |
| ieatlint | haha | 22:50 |
| ieatlint | that's funny | 22:50 |
| ieatlint | were the gta03 specs ever finalised or released/leaked? :P | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | gta03 was finalized to a point where we had 3 working prototypes | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's still under NDA :-P | 22:51 |
| ieatlint | hehe, fair enough | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I can't share photos or anything | 22:52 |
| ieatlint | i heard a bunch of rumour and innuendo from steve | 22:52 |
| ieatlint | so i have vague ideas | 22:52 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at silly lawyers. | 22:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly gta03 wasn't exactly a design I particularly liked | 22:53 |
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| ieatlint | the clues to the design were never even kind of specific, i only heard that it was a different design than the gta01/2, that it was "designed by a top designer", and a LOT of hints that it had a camera, or was designed to if the camera made the final spec | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | had a lot of quirks by design, like no proper headset receptacle, c-ts, fixed battery... | 22:54 |
| ieatlint | also got enough hints that i would bet it had edge | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the camera was kinda ok | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | it had cinteron mc75i | 22:55 |
| VladNistor | MohammadAG, is the hildon-desktop you posted just now not supposed to have fast kinetic scrolling? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | which has EDGE, yes | 22:55 |
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| ieatlint | such a funny project it was... :P | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it looked kinda like a half chinese egg (the ones with transparent eggwhite) X-P | 22:56 |
| ieatlint | i still see one of the two US openmoko employees somewhat often | 22:56 |
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| ieatlint | ugh... that doesn't sound nice | 22:57 |
| dRbiG | looking at the design of openmoko hardware, well, who the hell designed that crap :S | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:57 |
| DrWilken | A blind guy? | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know the old "desk lamp" imacs? | 22:58 |
| ieatlint | no idea, but the US pr guy promised that the gta03 was designed by someone "well known" | 22:58 |
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| ieatlint | lol, same guy? :P | 22:58 |
| DrWilken | Probably *feels* ok (?):) | 22:58 |
| ieatlint | that's not something to brag about | 22:58 |
| dRbiG | DrWilken: doubt that | 22:59 |
| dRbiG | it looks like some cheap crappy chinese toy | 22:59 |
| dRbiG | and such a wast of space with this halfcricle edges | 22:59 |
| ieatlint | eh... the gta02 had a lot of downfalls, least of all its appearance | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, gta01/02 case was a different designer afaik | 23:00 |
| dRbiG | i mean, curved edges are ok, but this is some kind of joke | 23:00 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i was explicitly told the gta03 was from a different designer than the gta01/2 | 23:00 |
| DrWilken | I was looking for a Linux phone before the N900 came out... And then I saw the OpenMoko... | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | the hockey puck aka shower radio | 23:01 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: so when does that NDA run up? :P | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | have to look | 23:01 |
| ieatlint | pure curiosity, heh | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | err check | 23:01 |
| dRbiG | too fragile for a hockey puck and not waterproof for a shower radio... what a waste | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably even then I mustn't publish any confidential material | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | We could offer to buy the IP from OM. | 23:02 |
| ieatlint | eh, my interest doesn't delve much beyond the appearance, and basic stuff like the chips in it | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got a spare 50p. | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess sean would love to sell it | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I got no spare 50p for that cr... er nice device | 23:03 |
| ieatlint | haha | 23:03 |
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| dRbiG | we should gather and buy the right for the design and then burn it to save the world from it ;) | 23:03 |
| luke-jr_ | GTA03⁇ | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 23:04 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr_: indeed... the fun we could've had | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, found a 1€ for that | 23:04 |
| dRbiG | and i'd also suggest to blacklist the designer(s) | 23:04 |
| dRbiG | just in case | 23:04 |
| ieatlint | i'm still convinced i'll find a use for the gta02s i have... | 23:05 |
| luke-jr_ | ieatlint: mail me one? :P | 23:05 |
| ieatlint | am leaning towards some sort of gps logger | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | dRbiG: you got a decent hint to find who's the designer? | 23:05 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr_: you actually want one? | 23:05 |
| luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: we talking aobut 3D7K, or something new? | 23:05 |
| luke-jr_ | ieatlint: I wouldn't mind playign with one :p | 23:05 |
| luke-jr_ | ieatlint: just not worht the price tag OpenMoko thinks they can still get for it | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, 3err7Ky boilerplate number | 23:06 |
| dRbiG | DocScrutinizer: blind without hands or some really smart bastard :) | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly that gta03 | 23:06 |
| luke-jr_ | meh | 23:06 |
| luke-jr_ | that GTA03 is probably obsolete now :P | 23:06 |
| ieatlint | uh, i might be convinced... they've literally been sitting around for 18+ months now | 23:06 |
| ieatlint | have two gta02s | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: it is | 23:06 |
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| luke-jr_ | yeah, s3c6410… OLD | 23:07 |
| luke-jr_ | that was N8x0 generation | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:07 |
| ieatlint | both "US edition" (ie, gsm 850/1800/1900) | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc75i, nice modem but no 3G | 23:07 |
| luke-jr_ | ieatlint: does that translate to "AT&T edition" or "T-Mobile edition"? XD | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: it's GSM only, so no difference | 23:08 |
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| ieatlint | uh, at&t edition -- but it works just as well on t-mo as at&t | 23:08 |
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| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: nah, due to stupidity, the 850mhz gsm band is at&t only | 23:08 |
| ieatlint | t-mo US uses 1900 | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 3G afaik | 23:09 |
| ieatlint | nope, t-mo US UMTS is 1700/2100 if i recall right | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | s3c6410 is in SmartQ too :) | 23:09 |
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| GAN900 | ieatlint, that sounds off, somehow. | 23:09 |
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| luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: N900 only does 3G for T-Mo, and only 2G for AT&T | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | s3cxxxx has no zero-clock | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: see? | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | 850/1900, ieatlint. | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | so gta02 will do 2G for both carriers | 23:10 |
| ieatlint | hmm, maybe i'm mixing up 1900 and 1800 | 23:10 |
| luke-jr_ | ok :p | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, who the hell can keep any of it straight? | 23:11 |
| luke-jr_ | AT&T doesn't count though, since they're way too ridiculously expensive :P | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | nope | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | I thought t-mob gsm bands were covered by n900 too? | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#Radio_Frequency_Summary | 23:11 |
| luke-jr_ | ShadowJK: I mean it only supports 3G for T-Mobile. I didn't mean it doesn't support 2G for it | 23:11 |
| luke-jr_ | err | 23:11 |
| luke-jr_ | if (3G) carrier=T-Mobile | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | their network is 1900mhz, with a very small part that can roam onto AT&T's 850mhz network | 23:11 |
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| ieatlint | and is 1700/2100 for umts | 23:11 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, i guess that's why it eats so much power :) | 23:12 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr_: and the gta02 is a 2g only device -- no UMTS, no EDGE (GPRS only) | 23:12 |
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| luke-jr_ | ieatlint: ah, didn't know that | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: which one? | 23:12 |
| luke-jr_ | isn't EDGE a CDMA2000 thing? | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | s3c64xx | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah yes | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this insane suspend/resume thing that never will pan out properly | 23:13 |
| ieatlint | gsm/umts in the US is just fucking confusing and proprietary | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: yes, as some braindamaged carriers are abusing genuine 2G GSM bands for UMTS | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | Matan's getting on my nerves | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Enhanced Datarates for Gsm Evolution = EDGE | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | even in europe 900MHz is used for umts :) | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | and 1.8GHz planned to get lte | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | in addition to gsm | 23:16 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: just one is -- at&t | 23:17 |
| ieatlint | t-mo is using half the standard umts freqs and half weird 1700mhz | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's "3" (the carrier) ? | 23:17 |
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| PhonicUK | just did the toothpaste trick on my N900 | 23:20 |
| PhonicUK | worked a treat :D | 23:20 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: not sure what you mean by 3 carrier | 23:21 |
| luke-jr_ | ieatlint: IIRC some Europe carrier is called '3' | 23:21 |
| PhonicUK | 3 is the name of a carrier in the UK | 23:21 |
| ieatlint | ah, not in the US indeed | 23:21 |
| ieatlint | no 3, no o2, no vodaphone | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | there are many diferent ones called "3" | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Vodafone | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | PhonicUK, what is toothpaste trick? | 23:22 |
| luke-jr_ | Vodalame | 23:22 |
| luke-jr_ | :p | 23:22 |
| ieatlint | and virgin mobile is a nasty company that resells someone else's network (cdma) | 23:22 |
| PhonicUK | toothpaste on a scratched screen | 23:22 |
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| ds3 | toothpaste is a mild abrasive | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I recommend a screen protector | 23:23 |
| dRbiG | ieatlint: reselling is common | 23:24 |
| luke-jr_ | not common enough | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | toothpaste trick?? | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | -?, damn keyboard | 23:24 |
| luke-jr_ | someone should try reselling T-Mobile XD | 23:24 |
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| luke-jr_ | would be nice, actually, if you could get like 50 data-only SIM cards sharing some prepaid data plan or something | 23:25 |
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| vdv | how can i remove package previously installed with dpkg -i ? | 23:34 |
| pupnik | apt-get remove | 23:35 |
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| MohammadAG | or dpkg -r | 23:36 |
| pupnik | fancy pants | 23:36 |
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| MohammadAG | :P | 23:38 |
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| * wmarone wonders if python apps are always this slow, or if mediabox is just slow | 23:40 | |
| MohammadAG | python | 23:41 |
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| * MohammadAG wants a microB addon which watches for flv, when an flv appears, transfer it to the media player and play with gstreamer-flv | 23:42 | |
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| tobis87 | You could port mplayerplug-in and set modules.plugins.mimetype.video/x-flv to it. | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Not quite. | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | flv isn't typically a simple stream | 23:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | it is recieved by flash, then played | 23:48 |
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| tobis87 | Do you need to play the flash to receive the flv url? Easy Youtube Video Downloader supports to download the flv without starting the flash (tested with flashblock). | 23:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | It depends on the flash. | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Tehre is no generic way to recover the stream URL without running the flash | 23:52 |
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| andax | i used aTubeCatcher.exe for downloading flashified videos, did not work for all but for many | 23:54 |
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| andax | it works without flash | 23:54 |
| sqwable | how do I "link" together two scratchbox projects? I'm trying to build matchbox-keyboard but it needs libfakekey, which I've already built, but the matchbox-keyboard project still cannot see libfakekey is built | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | for youtube you probably only need to change the URL | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | but idk the pattern mediabox uses | 23:55 |
| sqwable | This is the first time I've played around with porting stuff to maemo, so I'm a noob | 23:55 |
| tobis87 | But I did get it without the flash, maybe they found a way for youtube only. But opening a flv link e. g. http://youtube.com/get_video?video_id=TZRaVVXAi6o&t=vjVQa1PpcFNtoXiphbJU8J6fzBWISh8q8lmdGuBHUlc%3D&asv= does start mplayer. | 23:55 |
| sp3000 | sqwable: you'd install the packages generated by the libfake build | 23:56 |
| sp3000 | the *-dev*deb and whatever it depends on, roughly | 23:56 |
| sqwable | "install the packages" on to the system? (I think I've tried that once with openssl or something, broke the whole OS :D ) | 23:56 |
| sqwable | oh | 23:57 |
| sp3000 | well, in the scratchbox target, those are expendable ;) | 23:57 |
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| sqwable | sp3000, so basically create the path inside the sbhome? | 23:58 |
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| sp3000 | not sure what you mean by that | 23:58 |
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| luke-jr_ | sqwable: no… | 23:59 |
| luke-jr_ | sqwable: you need to add a dependency | 23:59 |
| sp3000 | but if you're using dpkg-buildpackage or suchlike you'll get .debs which you can install | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | sqwable, dpkg -i the package | 23:59 |
| luke-jr_ | MohammadAG: that's not the correct solution -.- | 23:59 |
| luke-jr_ | he should use a dependency | 23:59 |
| sqwable | package? oh, so I should create a deb package of the project I compiled? | 23:59 |
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